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On September 26 and 27, 2025, I participated in the "Predict the Goal" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5560250 (Archived: https://archive.fo/BD021) and "Free Lottery" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5560369.0 (Archived: https://archive.fo/nMGPE), where, according to the results of the contest, I received $45 with the condition of a 1x wagering requirement.
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While betting on the Xyes.com, I noticed that wagering is not credited correctly and actually x10 wagering is required to fully wager the bonus. After that, I contacted customer support to clarify the situation, and received the following message: "The stake amount is $1, and the odds are 1.1. The payout is $1.1.
Payout - stake amount = valid wager, so this valid wager is $0.1."
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In this regard, I have a question for the experts.: "Either the wagering conditions on the Bitcointalk forum are incorrectly stated, or the casino does not comply with these conditions?"

Your answers are important to me, as it is possible that this topic will be moved to the "Scam Accusations" board.

That’s not how wager being calculated. It’s the amount you wager regardless of the odds you are betting.

There’s some bonus that specify the wager percentage on each game type such as 100% count on slot and sports betting, 10% count on house game and so on.

If there’s no specific rules on the bonus ToS on how wager count on each game then it means it’s 1:1 count to your bet.

The support is counting the PnL. LOL

Wager, unless specified elsewhere like in some FAQ or ToS should be interpreted as the amount that you place in each bet.
It could be possible to justify this count with "odd" if they consider a minimum amount for each play!
I mean, maybe they expect a 1x like that you need to wager at 2.00 the amount you win. Anyway, they are not accepting only in one bet but divided by more bets.
This is just what I can understand... of course it would be better to get a clarification from them.

I've never experienced anything like that. AFAIK, if the terms are 1x wagering requirement, then it should be $45 total bet. It might be different case if the $45 credited to your account was FB (Freebet), but specifically for the one we're discussing, you should be able to make a withdrawal. It's possible the information on the platform & on Bitcointalk doesn't match. If that's the case, it's best to ask their representatives on Bitcointalk directly.

Amount wagered must be the amount you bet on any casino games. But it will depend on casino rules.
as for the BETFURY, Their wagering with 1x is good but  any win much be better than 1.37 odds. Check the rules of the casino of XYES before you go to scam accusation.

In normal and general situation, I mean when we are gambling with our own money, wager means the amount we place on the bet no matter how much the odds of the bet.
Still there are some casinos that may have different system, stake for example where they count sports bet 3x bigger of the initial bet amount in case of the wagering progress for the VIP program.
In more special case like bonuses such as deposit bonus or no deposit bonus, not all games contributes 100% toward wagering.
For your case as you are in Xyes, perhaps that's how their wager calculation system for the bonus including the amount you win from their contest.
I'm not familiar with this casino but I tried to check their bonus page and I found about Valid wager formula which is the same as the one given by the support to you.

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If it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.
I do not try to defend xyes as I have nothing to do with them, just saying my opinion based on what I can see here.

I'm also one of the users who won in that contest. I turned my $25 prize into $53 and met all the wagering requirements, even with the x10 condition. What surprised me was when I tried to withdraw, I was only allowed to cash out a maximum of $28. I don’t know why the remaining $25 couldn’t be withdrawn. I didn’t bother asking support since it was just $25, so I placed it on sports instead.

In your case since you won two prizes or contests, maybe there was some misunderstanding on their team’s side..

In May I won a freebet in Xyes casino, with 1x wagering requirement.
Now look at the bet I placed, Staked with 24$ at 1.13 odds to win 27$. I won this bet but my profit there was only 3$ as the initial 24$ must be used to wager again.

Now this is the confusion. Unlike other casino I have experience with. Once you bet with a freebet, your potential winning is the profit, your freebt amount will be minus from the potential win while in Xyes all winnings is sent to you until you. But the initial freebet amount cant be withraw.

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This is an instant rebate computation while the bonus OP pertaining probably from one of the giveaway done by Xyes on the forum.

Normally x1 wager should be the normal wager count by every casino if there’s no specific rules just like that rebate computation on the giveaway thread.

This casino is so shady if they count wager in a form of rebate computation.

Yes, I'm familiar with the rules of Xyes.com, but my question looked a little different from what you're trying to explain to me: "Either the wagering conditions on the Bitcointalk forum are incorrectly stated, or does the casino not comply with these conditions?" It turns out that the manager did not formulate the wagering rules correctly after all?

In stake and most other casinos the amount we bet on will be considered as the wagering amount and there maybe some calculation used like 1x for casino bets 3x for sportsbetting and like that but this is the first time I am seeing they consider valid wager from the total payout which isn't common but as said if they mentioned in their rules of contest then it will be calculated based on that.

Because that’s the normal wager calculation and should be the general calculation on wager count on bonus.

This casino formulate their own way to count wager which is extra hard since you need to bet on 2.0 odds or more just to have a 1:1 wager count on each bet which is sucks given that the bonus in question here is a reward from a contest not a regular bonus given by the casino.

@tvplus006 what’s the opinion of Xyes bitcointalk representative about this matter? By any chance the live support doesn’t know that your bonus is a reward from the forum giveaway?

I know that's for instant rebate but that's not the point, my point is about how the casino classify what is "valid wager" for them and what is shown above must be their own rule as it is the same as what the support says to OP.


As I said previously, wagering in normal condition should be based on the amount we bet but there can be casinos which classify it differently and they do not have to comply with the general rule because every casino has the right to create their own rules.
Probably the problem is that the host of the contest did not explain about this rules well while they are aware that they have different rules for the wagering purpose on bonuses compared to other bookies/casinos.

Looks like some kind of rewards or giveaway basically free money and casinos don't like when players able to take away from their balance so these special requirements are placed to reduce the risk but still it is not something we call it as impossible task to do. Next time better choose the casinos wisely, and to me bonus and any kind of extra perks are irrelevant.

Wager is calculated very easy in all casinos I have played and that is not correct. Let me give you an example, I have played 100 bets each one with 1000 IDR as value, no matter what happens if I lose all the balance without winning anything or I win big time the wager is 100.000 IDR and that is how each of the big casinos like Bc.game and Stake make their measurement of the wagering each person does. There is nothing more to it, if any other casino uses another way I doubt they do it the correct way.

The more dollars you place in valid bets, the more dollars your wagering will be. This is a normal calculation and this is how it is calculated, but if you have taken a bonus and there is a special requirement, then you have to follow it. I once took a deposit bonus, there was such a requirement and wagering was counted this way. So before taking the bonus, always read the ToS carefully first, then everything will be clear to you. If you deposit normally without a bonus, then in that case, your valid bet amount is counted as wagering, I know this.

I don’t really know about the rules of a certain casino, especially when it comes to competitions. but it’s easy to understand what “wagers” means… it’s just about how much you bet and how many times you wager it.

Sometimes it gets tricky, especially in promos or competitions. i’ve witnessed a wagering contest before and the winners were simply the ones who wagered the most, regardless of the outcome. so yeah, i think that should be the only criteria.

You are not wrong to be suspicious at all dude. All casinos treat our entire stake as our wager volum, Only our winnings are considered as wagering money, this is the first time I have heard of this. So their support replied to you payout-stake=valid wager is kinda nonsense. If your  1 $ bet at 1.1 return you 1.10 $, the profit is only 10 cent &  if they only consider your winning amount 0.1 $ as your valid wager amount, then your 1× requirment really becomes 10× wtf, you would have to wager 450$ to clear 45$ lol :D... as that games &  rounds  promise you 1×, so better push them for full transperancy, also you could demand a correction or refund. If you think the dedicated forum representative dodge you, then document everything, & make a thread on scam accusation section.

If judging by the title alone, “wagering requirement” can be misleading. whatever casino you check, a wagering requirement is always based on how much you wager, and it doesn’t include the odds or the payout you’ll receive if your bet wins.

But if the rules are written very specific, then that should be followed. sometimes casinos use that kind of marketing trick to entice players and when they say “1x wagering requirement,” it’s very unlikely to apply, especially on wins from bonuses or competitions, particularly if it’s free.

Now it got me curious about what other gambling sites and sports bookies will say about this. I want to see their calculations on how a wagering amount is computed.

In Stake.com, yes, it's 1:1 on slot games and 1:3 on sports betting. Maybe they have seen how less the wagered amount the sports bettors have, especially those who really focus on sports only and not playing any casino games.
I don't know about the rules on the website OP said, but if they input it as the formula said by another member, then I guess it could happen as long as they input it in their TOS.

Wager count on VIP and Bonus usually have different mechanics. I play a lot on Stake so the wager count you are describing here is for VIP progress while bonus wagering is a different formula.

Normally on Stake bonus it’s always 1:1 wagering count regardless of the game but for some casino it varies depending on the type of the game they are playing but no boost such as x3 on wager since it’s only for VIP level.

Yes different casinos have different way of calculating the wagering requirements and they do even have separate mechanisms for bonus wagering which may not count towards ranking progress and may have lesser than 1x for different type of casino games which again for the reason as mentiuoned before, they don't want it for their players to grab it easily and it's fair though since it's just free money.

No, that's not true. The support service stated that a similar wagering rule (Valid wager = The Payout - Stake Amount) also applies to your deposit on Xyes.com. So there is no difference between a bonus and your personal money.

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That is a weird way of calculating if this applies for all kind of wagering requirements which basically means users will see less wagering requirement in terms of numbers but in reality it is going to be a task than just assuming 1x. Why I said it is different is because in BC.game they had such when it comes to claiming free bonus which doesn't require deposit at all.

If the casino wanted to say you are entitled to your winnings after a wagger they could have phrased it differently.

1x wagering requirement counts to get your full balance after a 1 time stake of your entire balance. Or several stakes totallyng the entire balance. They can also set other limits but something like minimum odds, not much more.

In the case mentioned in the OP the wagering requirement to unlock the entire balance is indeed 10x.

I also had a similar case before, even though I thought I had already wagered more than 1x but still wasn't able to withdraw my winnings.

I don't understand how wagering works. I thought the wager calculation was 1:1; that's why I ended up asking a similar question on the announcement thread.
Until someone says not all games are equal; some of them give you a 1:1 wager, and most of them give you a 0.1 wager. I read the terms and found out it is only selected games; some slots give low wagers, including the slot that I play.

So before you gamble, read the terms and look for games that give you a high wager. If you want to calculate it in 1:1.

I'm sure you end up losing the whole amount because you don't have a choice but to continue until the wager requirements are reached.

Iam not expert :P but I think the problem was actually a "mis of comunication" where you (and neither I) understed how wagering should actually be calculated... because it is usually calculated based on total amount wagered, right!? not only on your net profit.

I confess that this seems quite unusual and unfavorable to any player, so even if it is not something I would classify as illegal, I would say its at least quite dishonest and should have been clarified in advance.

Whether it was a scam or not, I think it's much more a matter of interpretation and good faith than actually finding any "proof" that this is wrong.

1x wagering requirement can be many things. But as far as I understand, if the casino doesn't mention how much money you should fill for that 1x wagering requirement, you can only fill a 1x bet (any game type), minimum bet amount so you can withdraw the money. But I am not sure about that because as I said that can be many things so all casinos will have different terms. Yes, I also think that it seems there is a misunderstanding between you and casino as @alegotardo said. You can ask for the details from the casino to make it clear and avoid misunderstanding.

Wager does not depend on any casino rules, it is the same for every casino. The amount you bet is the wager irrespective of the outcome of the bet. What that casino is calculating is profit and loss so they should change their ToS to reflect that. I have seen similar rule in one other casino here in which you can only withdraw the profits from their bonuses in that case, the amount they will unlock if you play with their bonus = profit-bet amount.

I do not think this belongs to scam accusation because, as already pointed out by some other experienced members before, they state how they calculate the wager in their Terms and Conditions but for sure the way they announced those prizes in their contests⁽¹⁾ has room for improvement because generally in the gambling sector, wager refers to the amount put at stake;
if you decide todo something different from most of your competitors then you should clarify it.


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this one was also written in bold as if to convey the message of how advantageous the terms of this prize/bonus were

Obviously, after this topic, Xyes.com in his new contest: "Predict the goal"- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561063 differently presented the conditions of the 1x valid wagering.
Now it looks like this: "The prize has 1x valid wagering requirements. *Payout Amount - Bet amount = Valid wager".

I wonder if the participants of this contest will even consider or notice the changes on the terms since this valid wager computation is bullshit to apply on a rewards.

Rewards and bonus are 2 different matter since contest reward is the product of competition in the forum which means we already deserved to get that amount immediately.

Even normal x1 wager is sometimes a deal breaker.

Each gambling platform has their wagering requirements, such could be that you must have played with a particular amount of money after your real time deposit, winning or not does not concerns them, as long as the amount used to gamble remains their target in this regard, secondly, it may be that you attain a particular level with the accumulation of odds used to gamble over a specified range of time, which could also be calculated as your wagering requirements, that you played using a particular odd ranging from one figure to another as the casino may requested.

To be honest. This is the only casino that I knew for my long years of gambling in crypto casino that counts wager using their own made up formula on a deposit wager count.

I understand if this applies on bonus and VIP but on deposit wager this is already a total madness because you will need to risk more just to get the x1 wager of your deposit in able to withdraw.

Playing on this casino using huge bankroll without reading the ToS is abominable.

Yes, there are such conditions of the competition, for example, conducted by Chips.gg, according to which the winners do not need wagering their bonus. The problem is also that it is necessary to wagering in this way not only the bonus, but also your own deposit before it can be withdrawn to wallet. As for Xyes.com, it is unlikely that they will be able to attract a large number of participants of the forum until they change the wagering conditions.

It seems they have a different way of calculating their own valid wager, This is the first time I'm seeing this kind of wagering requirement to be honest but since they included it in their T&Cs, then you agreed to it even though you may not have read it upon registration to the platform. It feels they operate on the discipline that a rebate is all about borrowing the gambler money to hustle and he is only entitled to the profits, sounds more to me like FBS_{If I remembered correctly} trading app which I used back in the days for trading which gives free $150 for 30 days and if you end up making profits, you return the capital and enjoy the profits.

Instead of rewards it serves as way to trap user fund to deposit and force play until their x1 true wager met. The current contest only received 1 entry so far which probably he doesn’t notice the changes on the contest ToS.

Imagine the difficulty of taking the same bet with x1.10 ten times using your whole deposit just to reach that x1 wagering requirements.

The only way to clear this easily is to bet on higher odds but with great risk on losing your bankroll in the process. Try plinko if this game is available to accumulate your wager.

It's my first time seeing that type of wagering requirement, but still, it's more than doable since you only need to win and accumulate the same amount as the free bet. I've experienced other free bets that are much tougher to clear, one example was needing to play with limited odds of only 1.50 or above and a x5 wagering requirement.

It's a bit frustrating for some who are used to the standard 1x wagering requirement. Then again, this is a prize from a free to join prediction contest, and they always have the final say on what rules to place for their prizes.

The problem here is different: The rules of the contest published on the forum differ from those established in the casino. And if I had known about this before the start of the contest, I would not have participated in it, especially since participation is associated with the mandatory deposit, which, as it turned out later, must also be wagered according to the formula: Payout Amount - Bet amount = Valid wager.