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According to Arkham Satoshi Nakamoto holding BTC is worth approximately $150B , previously $130B+ in terms of market cap it's 6% . So right now satoshi nakamoto is holding the entire 6% valuation of Bitcoin. The fact is this assets is rising , and growing till the very second it's passed.
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Very first bitcoin was traded price of $0.0009/BTC a total of 5050 BTC  in 2009 which is now 12,393,636,300% gain. That means your $1 of investment could have turned $10 in todays value. I belive there is still those cheap prices Bitcoin is circulating on market. Just they are in cold sleep. Like a sciences fiction they will be released from cold sleep one day.

What would happen if Satoshi Nakamoto suddenly reappeared and started making small transactions? Considering his estimated 6% share of all Bitcoin, it could potentially shake up the entire crypto ecosystem.
What do you think your first move would be if Satoshi’s wallet suddenly became active?

Honestly, it gives me chills to see Satoshi now ranked among the richest people on earth, not because he chased wealth but because his creation naturally earned that value from the free market.

Bitcoin wasn’t built for personal gain; it was built to give people financial freedom, yet it's now has succeeded in achieving it's primary aims as well as making the innovator(s) one of the most iconic names in global finance.

The fact that this vision alone now holds such value shows how deeply Bitcoin has changed the world. If he ever did reappear or move his coins, it would definitely cause panic at first but it might also restore a bit of mystery and energy in the Bitcoin community. Still, I think his absence is what keeps the project truly decentralized.

I've a feeling these guys have no idea how much Bitcoin Satoshi has in it's totality. They know the ones he mined out for the community and made public. After his disappearance he might have been a miner and gotten other loads of Bitcoin for himself apart from the ones we're sure about. Anyways he still merits the position to be listed in the rankings of world richest men. I love that feather to his cap. God bless Satoshi and Bitcoin, he made us have total right and control over our money. Truly decentralization is the best way to hold your assets

Many congratulations and best wishes to Satoshi, the creator of Bitcoin, on becoming the ninth richest person in the world.
The richest man in the world wouldn't want his wealth to be lost. You know very well what kind of impact it would have on the market if Satoshi became active and transferred even a single Satoshi of his Bitcoin wallet.
If Satoshi is alive, he has realized that if a single digit is changed from his wallet, his Bitcoins will have no value. That's why he is either in hiding or he is no longer alive in the world. If he is not alive, then it is unlikely that his wallet will ever be active again.

It can trigger mixed signals and if he is just letting the world know he is still exists with 0.1 transfer or even few whole bitcoins, then this will lead to an extremely bullish wave but imagine he sends thousands of bitcoins to another address then the speculation will arise that he is selling his bitcoin so it's time for the holders to do it too and then it will turn into be extremely bearish.

If he didn't try to do anything with his bitcoins in 2014,2018, and 2020 then I don't think why it is any different this time. Just quoting his words "I’ve moved on to other things".

First I think it's important for you to understand the part that Satoshi is actually a pseudonymous entity which simply means they haven't been able to prove if he's a single person or a group. If you read about the creation of bitcoin you'll discover that majority of articles you'll come across will suggest that Satoshi is a group simply because of how complex bitcoin's protocol is.

Satoshi mined millions of coins and the amount you see online is just a speculation of what he may still have control over. With that many keys it's also possible he doesn't have access to some of them.

I’m out of merit right now but bro you said my mind….
How can you quantify the wealth of satoshi when the identity is not revealed and perhaps you captioned it as a person, we don’t know if it’s them, him or she. And until there is a solid proof that it’s not an entity then we can quantify his wealth. In opinion everything the media show about satoshi networth is fallacy for now.

And be sides we have threads that talked about if they/him or her, appears and that making TX, it would be catastrophic but then is it possible? Of course no one knows.

If they have their wallet.dat.. and we keep support for old school wallets.  I mean Satoshi mined wicked early; From January 9th 2009 onward to probably mid 2010.  There is proof of Satoshi gathering many rewards every few minutes.  He has from my analysis over 35,000 private keys, every time in the old Bitcoin code you'd get a new private key added to your wallet every time you were rewarded 50 BTC.  The dat file contained many private keys and addresses.  The format has changed very much since then.  You'd need to write a custom parser to parse the old wallet file(s) to generate proper WIFs and all for modern day usage then import that into say Electrum.

Here are a few:

Difficulty got hard very quick.  I can see Satoshi did receive many BTC early on but after January 2009 it's rather hard to tell.

It wasn't very complex; It was just a combination of known ideas!

Yes I agree creator of Bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto works under fake name and nobody knows he or she is single individual or group of people. Since technical rules of Bitcoin are highly complex it is assumed by many that group of people must have developed it. And yes it is believed that Satoshi had mined approximately one million Bitcoins initially but this is merely estimate because Bitcoins have never been transferred out of original accounts. Satoshi may have lost digital keys to access some of those coins and so amount of coins they still control is unknown as well even with all of them.

If earlier regards to what Bitcoin was and what it is now is being accorded to this excitement, then we can also appreciate those early days that mining could be done with simple computers with lesser complexity which on it course is how Satoshi has also acquired the gratitude portfolio.
So can also put to that similar thought if you had also mined in those days 2009 when mining rewards high and just by using very low devices like desktops and laptops.

I think if we have to regret missing buying Bitcoin when the value was as low as affordable, then we can also express about missing the Satoshi early days mining but that is not the case.
The good thing is that Bitcoin has gained values and has become attractive for global adoption Which is also how its value has reached this height. So you could hsd do be holding the equivalent of today's Bitcoin value if you had mined and earned Bitcoin rewards freely just by mining the blocks.

You see... It is all round to how to accumulate large amount of Bitcoin then while the good still remains that we can still buy and own some by how much we can afford.

A link to Arkham Intelligence tracker on Satoshi Nakamoto's bitcoin fortune.
They announced it in February 2025. (https://info.arkm.com/announcements/update-100-billion-in-satoshi-nakamotos-holdings-now-on-arkham)
Track it here
https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/entity/satoshi-nakamoto
A note is it is only estimation as Arkham Intelligence and all of us can identify all Bitcoin addresses of Satoshi Nakamoto.

I don't mind about it as if it is Satoshi Nakamoto, he will never move and dump all of his bitcoins on the market. The market will not be crashed by Satoshi Nakamoto's bitcoin movement and sales.

If Satoshi suddenly reappeared and started making small transactions, the impact would be huge. While the initial market reaction may be massively volatile, Bitcoin's value could surge to unprecedented levels due to the FOMO push from retail and institutional investors, including large whales, who want to enjoy this rare sensation. However, after that, there will likely be an extreme reduction in value due to uncertainty about Satoshi's intentions in suddenly reactivating his wallet and making transactions on the old Bitcoins he owns, which will be a major factor affecting the price of Bitcoin.

The long-term dynamic impact will also greatly affect the price of Bitcoin due to the emergence of Satoshi, his safety will also be threatened due to being the target of assassination carried out by people who have long felt that their businesses are threatened by the presence of Bitcoin. If he is actually doing some activity in his wallet, we need to take a more realistic view and make an analytical decision about buying, selling or holding it for a while longer.

Don't wait for the dump because that low price you are expecting might not come and the best cheap bitcoin can go is the range we currently have which might seem actually seem too high now but in matter of time this remarked current values will be history and those who  feared to buy now will not longer see this opportunity again because bitcoin has limited supplies and with quite how adoption rate is increasing and what the price as ascribed in the very tense of it existence according to the coin marketcap, it is believable that price will keep increasing in time.
Another moment you will see bitcoin to show cheaper price is based on its volatilities that is not periodically determined. So don't expect the dump before you can buy because you might not see it at that very speculation that it holds some cheap Price.

It just won't happen because Satoshi already anticipated his exit, and it seems he won't show himself again to keep the Bitcoin ecosystem running as he had planned, so with this I don't think his wallet will be active again, and he also has no interest in making a single transaction, even if his assets are worth trillions of dollars, he just has no interest in being involved in Bitcoin anymore and has left for good.

Are you him or are you related to him? How do you know what he is thinking and what he’s going to do?

Anything can happen. Even though he has been silent for over 15 years, that doesn't mean he will never come back or won't touch those bitcoins in the future. Or is there any guarantee he only owns that wallet and no others? Over the years there have been many wallets from the time of Satoshi's awakening that have sold Bitcoins, and who among us can guarantee that it wasn't Satoshi.

I wouldn't be able to do anything with it, imo, it's just a piece of info I would get.

And, after all - we won't know all the wallets of Satoshi, and that's okay. Let him rest for as long as he wants, he deserves it.

I stand with you on the point that nobody really knows how many BTCs Satoshi may have for real: and it's better to stay that way.

After all, if the man or people behind BTC are known to the public, or found out, it would be more of a hassle for them than a blessing to be known. It's better to stay that way.

FWIW, those address/wallet are assumed to be owned by Satoshi. Anyway, i expect we'll see some speculation wrapped as hot news whether the nature of the speculation is positive or negative.

Buzz would still be a buzz...Most of these news would talk into nothing, but alas, speculations are made for those that love to listen, analyze, and speak in general.

But, are you sure about what you are talkin there? It may not be true as well, so for now, what we can count is the one that is sure. Satoshi seems like a nice person and this why people are not doubting on him. Satoshi being dead or alive, indeed that he should be blessed by god for the greatness that he deliver to us.

Like even if we disregard his personal BTC right? Because he still invented Bitcoin and just like other inventors, this is also what makes them to be listed on the said category.

The market could get extremely bearish if he intends to sell all of his bitcoins. But I think the market panic was due to the large amount of bitcoins being dumped into the market causing an imbalance in supply and demand, and liquidity, not because Satoshi was the seller. Because even though Satoshi is the creator of Bitcoin, what makes Bitcoin valuable is its decentralized nature, not because it was created by Satoshi. Proof that it has been able to function well without him for the past 16 years. So there will be panic but it is all short term and things will soon pick up again as the market absorbs all his bitcoins.



So why do many whales that have been silent for years decide to wake up in this cycle? And I bet there will be more whales waking up in future cycles.

What is the point of him being the 9th richest when he cannot reveal his identity and flex about it ? If he is alive, for his neighbor he is just another loaded guy living nearby. Even his neighbor will not be jealous about this.

But even if he does show up, it won't make bitcoin any more centralized. Because bitcoin's decentralization is based on its protocol, network, and consensus mechanism. He has no special control over bitcoin and he cannot change the bitcoin protocol without consensus from the community. So if he suddenly appears, the only thing that can change is investor sentiment, but that is only short-term, whether positive or negative.

For me it’s relevant because he’s the one who created Bitcoin, so we kind of owe him for what Bitcoin has become today. I actually hope he never moves his coins and just keeps holding them, because in the future he could end up being the richest person in the world.

I’m also fine with people tracking his status based on how much Bitcoin he’s believed to own. Even if we don’t know if he’s still alive, that’s okay, maybe it’s even better that way, it keeps the mystery and makes the story of Bitcoin more interesting.

I do not think that is the purpose of his being anonymous. It is for his safety mainly.

In our eyes it's better that he remain anonymous, but for him it's probably for safety. we're interested in bitcoin because it's anonymous, decentralized, open source - whatever makes it legit and hard to crack, and that's the real reason bitcoin succeeded.

Those same reasons mean satoshi can stay anonymous even if he becomes the richest in the world. the technology and the community values protect that privacy, so honestly it's fine, maybe even better that way.

Agreed. And because it would be just not good to be exposed to everybody, good and bad, wanting to know more of you because you are the BTC-man, with a big tag on your forehead, basically.

I don't know if it's even possible. But if his account suddenly becomes active, it will have a huge impact on the Bitcoin ecosystem, as a result, the Bitcoin market may give a red signal or the price may decrease due to the price adjustment due to the addition of new BTC to the market. There will be noise in various media and social media. Someone may press the sell button in a hurry. But for big whales, this can be a good opportunity and they will definitely use this opportunity. So for those who have long-term investment plans, Satoshi's active account can be a golden opportunity.

^ I do think that this effect would be a short one at worst: buzz would be from every possible direction, and people would be fast to forget it as fast as they would scream about it like crazy :P

I don't think investors would want to buy Bitcoin during a price collapse due to the increase in supply, and I don't think investors currently imagine it. If a single Satoshi transaction ever actually occurs from Satoshi's wallet, the entire Bitcoin ecosystem would change. The popularity that Bitcoin has gained due to its decentralization would collapse instantly. The trust that people have in Bitcoin due to its decentralization would then be broken due to its centralization. Not only the 1.1 million Bitcoins in Satoshi's wallet, but more Bitcoins could come into the market than the current maximum supply of Bitcoin. As a result, a massive collapse in the price of Bitcoin would be observed in the market. Most people think that no one has the Bitcoin X in Satoshi's wallet at the moment. Even if this is false, I don't think anyone will make a Bitcoin transaction from their wallet because this transaction will destroy this beautiful Bitcoin ecosystem. No one wants this ecosystem to be destroyed.

However, the OP mentioned that an invisible person or entity is currently the 9th richest person in the world. At the rate Bitcoin is rising, I don't think it would be surprising if Satoshi Nakamoto were to emerge as the world's number one billionaire very soon.

Satoshi can have BTCs in other places, nobody would accuse him of such a fact :P

I don't think it would all collapse, but it would surely create not a smooth picture for BTC for a week or so, then people would continue to discuss the matter, but not with the same intensity.

Did you mean $10M?

He doesn't have to flex about it. He's made this project not to flex but to solve a problem during the 2009 crisis. He didn't even mind about what people are going to think about it. Because the early days were the hardest when many were very skeptic about this bitcoin project. It's unlikely that he's ever coming back and it came from him that lost bitcoins are likely a donation to the community and so what he did of leaving it for too long.

His wealth is speculation which people talk about. How can people calculate his wealth if they do not know which wallets were used. It is impossible to guess wealth from a group without how many people involved. It was not proven if Satoshi was a single person or more in a group. Why did Satoshi use GB British English and international English ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348758.0)

To my knowledge this could be a golden opportunity for those with long-term investment plans because the sudden activation of Satoshi's account is likely to change the Bitcoin ecosystem and the popularity that Bitcoin has gained so far for decentralization will be instantly shattered. Even then the possibility of this anonymous person or group's account suddenly becoming active is very small, actually since the creation of this Bitcoin ecosystem, no one has been able to say for sure that their Bitcoin-rich wallets will wake up. But now we are seeing in some cases that Satoshi-era accounts are waking up and Bitcoin has been transferred from there, which has truly witnessed an exceptional event, even now, it is happening.

The thought of Satoshi coming back is already filled with so much clouds of questions and as curious as I am already, it is as if he were already about to reveal himself. This shows how much worse the world would react with the media and TVs and every news channel in the world, getting to tell their sides of the Bitcoin Messiah's return.

One thing is for sure though among others, and it is that there would be sudden rise in volatility in the stock and crypto market, FOMO and FUD would be the order of the day as questions of the motive behind Satoshi's return is raised.

This could trigger a rise of problems for other crypto currencies mostly Bitcoin or make Bitcoin more adopted and used.
It is for sure going to make the Feds and other government agencies rally around to arrest him and detain him for questioning even if he has done nothing wrong to create Bitcoin in the first place.

I certainly can't wait for Satoshi to return or cause a panic situation in the Bitcoin market, so I DCA until I get to my quota and hope any further and future reveal and investments in crypto currency pays well as Bitcoin has and will in time to come.

Assuming that many years after Satoshi Nakamoto departure and disappearance from Bitcoin community is he is already passed away. If he did not pass away, he would have other bitcoins in wallets that are not identified as belong to him. So his movements of bitcoins in unknown wallets are enough for him to sell for money and have a very good life.

I don't say my assumption is true, but with this one, I see Satoshi Nakamoto has no reason to touch bitcoins in the 1.1M bitcoins in belief of the community as his coins. So the 9th, 8th, 7th richest person on Earth is not a big concern of Satoshi Nakamoto, and I really think it is not necessary for community to make news about it.

The idea of having lot of crypto and identity exposed is very risky for anyone. Like for normal rich people. their net worth is attached to their company. Even if others know that they are worth a lot, they will not try to attack or acquire those assets. But in case of crypto, one can try to attack and make him transfer crypto to own wallets.

You need to know that bitcoin's decentralization is a perfect combination of many factors, such as Pow consensus mechanism, distributed nodes, open source code. Bitcoin's decentralization is not based on a single algorithm or just because of the disappearance of Satoshi. Therefore, Satoshi's return will not affect the decentralized nature of Bitcoin, and him selling his bitcoins to the market is like Wall Street institutions or whales selling, which will impact the price of bitcoin but not change its network.

Satoshi created Bitcoin with the goal of creating a monetary system that is not dependent on any individual or organization, including its creator. Whether he comes back or his wallet wakes up makes little difference.

He won't have any reasons, and if I'm not mistaken, he said that he left his creation to the right people. So this also include all his Bitcoin that we know and we didn't know. And for sure if he has family, they might not even know his private key, otherwise if we assumed that he is dead, then maybe some of his family members might attempted to sell off.

As for the 9th place, price of Bitcoin is volatile, and specially in bull run, his rankings will obviously go up. But then when the bear market appears, that 9th place might be 20th during the lowest low during the bearish trend. So nothing is etch for him to be in the rankings of the richest person in the world.

In bear markets Satoshi can be 1000th. In bull runs better than 9th. Satoshi owns the most Bitcoins but is not 9th richest person in the world because Bitcoin is worth less. Bitcoin lost capital after the OP started the topic.

This is the greatest reward for his outstanding contribution