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President Trump’s latest move a 100% tariff on Chinese tech imports announced on October 10 sent shockwaves through global markets. Stocks tumbled, with the Nasdaq sliding 3.1%, and crypto wasn’t spared either. Bitcoin briefly crashed to around $102K before bouncing back slightly.

The selloff showed just how closely crypto now moves with traditional markets. On the day, Bitcoin’s correlation with the Nasdaq hit 0.90 one of the highest in recent months. As fear gripped traders, money quickly flowed out of risk assets and into safe havens like gold, which climbed 1.2%.

All eyes are now on Beijing’s next move. Any retaliation especially around tech or rare earth exports could fuel more volatility across global markets, including crypto.

China holds most of the cards in this trade war. By cutting them off, you actually make it more likely that they will diversify and become less reliant on trade with the US. That ends up with a much more dangerous situation for the world, because it makes it easier for China to do thing like invade Taiwan. Trade wars and protectionism often backfire, which we are likely to see play out in the years ahead.

For politician it looks good making everyone your enemy, however we had it pretty good in comparison before all these tariffs started. There are legitimate concerns to address with subsidies by certain countries that unfairly support certain industries, but ultimately some countries have natural advantages which they should maximize as it makes the goods/services cheaper while other countries can specialize in other things.

Trump doesn't understand any of this, he is merely bullying "enemies" and allies alike, making America uncompetitive and doing serious damage to trade relationships. He might make some feeble gains in certain areas, but they'll evaporate when companies are no longer directed by this dictator.

Why be surprised? haven't we seen this planning before and Trump has said it, the stock and crypto markets have really been forced down because of fears that there will be a counter-response by Xi Jinping in the near future, if these two countries don't have a good solution in the near term I think the trade conflict will lead to continued conflict, in the current situation self-esteem and ego are high when they feel that their country is capable of being independent, and what I fear is that, this is not a good sign, the US remains stubborn and  China will probably respond seriously too.

Here is where i stand, Trump is playing games with all of us and it always works all the time, if two president becomes enemy or are not on the same terms it is always a serious issue, isn't it? i an very sure that the president of china is also fully aware of this mind game, it is all a plan.

What i don't like is how controlling the price of bitcoin have become this easy, they will always use this trick on the market whenever they feel like and this sucks so bad, i have always like bitcoin because it can't be controlled by anyone but right now things are not the way they used to.

Everyone should relax, Trump is known for peace settlement,  i still like him for that, he is not war and violence hungry like some leaders, so why now? they are placing their cards like a game, think about it.

It was China that triggered this war with its new export controls on rare earth metals. An escalation of trade wars between these two economies might lead to a global economic crisis. Bitcoin has been seen as a hedge against inflation, but it has recently been responding to economic and political decisions, primarily in the US.   

China is building its economy to be immune to the US sanctions. It has already built trade partnerships in Europe, Africa and some part of America. With US bullying India, Brazil and other big economies, new alliances are being formed to counter US tariffs. 

I never understood why the market reacts the way it does to these silly stuff.

Isn't it obvious what the yare doing? They sold gold at the top, made a ton of money, then made trump say something silly, made bitcoin crash, bought at the bottom, and then they are going to end up with selling that too when tomorrow or some other day Trump says "okay I am a nice guy, I won't do it, that's how nice of a guy I am, I am the nicest of guys, did you know I am a nice guy, they al say it, everyone says how nice I am, they wanted to give me the Nobel peace prize, but I said no, that's how nice of a guy I am " or some other noncoherent idiotic moronic thing he will say. Then drop it to something silly like 20% or whatever, and bitcoin will boom, and his rich friends will end up selling at much higher.

China is the one who triggered this trade war, are you kidding? The trade war between them happened during Trump's first term, and what is happening is just a continuation initiated by Trump since 2018. The fight never even stopped when the Biden administration decided not to lift any tariffs on Chinese goods after taking over the White House. Trump is only continuing to escalate the trade war he initiated immediately after being elected to a second term.
It can be said that all these bad things are caused by Trump and no one else.

Trump initiated and forced China to make concessions, and he did not stop there. He is the one who wants to monopolize by enacting high-tech export control restrictions, banning the export of Nvidia chips. Restrict US tech companies from investing in China and ask allies like Japan and the Netherlands to adopt similar restrictions.

Trump is doing everything to maintain America's monopoly, but why is no one talking about this? It would be no coincidence that China tightened controls on rare earth exports if Trump had not done so. They’re just protecting themselves and defending in case the US launches a preemptive strike.

ultimately USA and China will reach an agreement. their economies are closely related and dependent on each other so trade wars won't benefit anyone. we'll likely see negotiations between Trump and Xi in the next couple of weeks.

it can be concluded that BTC has become a quiet stable asset and the decline wasn't very strong. oddly enough, this market situation can only strengthen BTC position and attract additional investors. perhaps in the future in similar situations investors will choose gold and BTC as equal assets for safe harbour.

I just briefly checked the price of bitcoin and I was surprised to see that it has declined. I thought it was just people taking their profits from the recent ATH but it seems like they took to it out because of this. I don’t get it though, if there are fiat wars shouldn’t people be investing in crypto more?

I guess people also have taken their money out of the market after others have done the same.

No country benefits from a trade war and negotiations are sure to take place but the question is who will give in first? There can be no agreement without concessions from one of the two.

Bitcoin has dropped almost 10% in a short period of time and this would be considered normal if it happened years ago. But today, things have changed dramatically, it has a market capitalization of over $2 trillion and is considered a superior asset to gold. So a 10% drop is unusual.

Look at gold, the price of gold increased slightly after that news and that is how a safe haven asset works.

in case of USA and China unilateral concessions are unlikely. both sides will have to find a compromise and only then will be possible the agreement.

many years ago BTC could drop by 20% and it wouldn't be a surprise. it's good that a 10% drop for BTC now seems unexpected indicating that the asset is maturing. BTC still has a long way to go to reach gold's $27 trillion market capitalization. the price of gold rose during the market crash because it is traditionally considered as a safe haven. perhaps BTC will soon become a safe haven too and investors will buy it during crises.

Remember, Bitcoin is traded in the futures open market and on the forex market, Wall Street, and leverage traders on various exchanges. If it were to be Bitcoin on various wallets, it wouldn't have affected the market to crash down, so when the news came, our people already knew the impact on the market, so it caused a lot of people to instantly sell off or short the market, which caused the immediate market bleed down. China will definitely come up with their own retaliatory tariff on the US. All these are part of the game to cause panic and manipulate the market.

Saw in the news that BlackRock bought the dip, whereas a lot of people are panic selling.

I believe Trump is not going the best way about some of his approach but China doesn't hold all the cards here, even if I don't support the Trump's acts of bullying but China and US needs it's other and if they go their Separate ways China will feel it the most although with how stubborn they are going about this they don't mind the economical loses this fight will bring to them.
We have already started to see the implications of Trump's move and some can say it is the reason for the Bitcoin drop in price, so it is safe to say that no one needs this battle.

I believe that Trump is using his power to control the market based on his fear that the Chinese and nine other countries have agreed to abandon the US dollar. He is using this to show his anger on China who is the leader of BRICS and the strongest currently. If not instead of making this announcement of increase in tariff, he shoukd have had a meeting with Xi for dialogs. Not after he has crashed the market and made a lot of people run at loss before he said that he's open for negotiations from China.

The war seems to be between Trump and crypto, not just limited to China. Because whenever Trump applies a tariff against China, then the crypto market seems to dump immediately. On the last day during the dump, I was sleeping. Suddenly, one of my friends called me and suggested buying something. He noticed the bottom, where we can buy some noticeable coins, including Bitcoin. So that I can earn a handsome amount within a short time. Sadly my wallet was empty; all the funds exist on the hardware wallet, and I am far from the wallet.

I was surprised when I saw the market conditions. Then I started finding out what the reason for the dump was, so I discovered the tariff. Through the crypto market directly related to the tariff, but it's the market sentiment. Investors become panicked and start selling. One of the reasons is also the stock market dump as well. I am not sure when this war will end and we can trade normally.

Trump literary trying as hard as possible to Isolate the United States from the rest of the world with the stupid tariff wars. Unlike the United States, China has a lot of trading partners they can switch to, and they don't go bulling them around like the US does.

Take an example of the Soybean trade war, where China decided to exit the US market because of the same stupid tariffs. Guess who is suffering right now? The farmers in the US. Meanwhile, China has now decided to trade with the South Americans (Argentina and Brazil) but what is even more funny is that Trump and his team are trying as hard as possible to make Argentina stop trading with China. Imagine what kind of bully the US is! And this is not a war they will win in the long run. Most countries are starting to realize who the bad guy is, and it certainly isn't China.

One indicator is that the US dollar is weakening against most local currencies in the past few months.

Every time these things happen I ask myself: what does Bitcoin have to do with it? Does it really impact the fundamentals? These are events that have absolutely nothing to do with the Bitcoin world, which keeps moving forward normally and rising endlessly, since government money is printed nonstop. Anyway, I see these “Trump trades” as a good buying opportunity and a clear case of manipulation. And since they seem to be happening often, just buy and hold... and everything will be fine.

It's unlikely China will respone in a strong similar way like the USA because it's clear that Beijing doesn't want it to be a direct confrontation in the way that can damage the global market.
Beijing is likely to intensify its economic alliances with other countries to offset the US market. One of the plans that can be taken immediatly is to promote projects such as "Belt and Road" Initiative (Known also as the new Silk Road that will connect China to the rest of the world), and also support more the BRICS project to counter the USA hegemony.

Why use something completely unconnected to Bitcoin to blame for the market situation?
The market was responding to something else just like it did few weeks ago when it behaved in similar manner before recently bouncing back above 120k. It has nothing to do with tarrif war except for the dollar making a slight gain. US President has occasionally used the tarrif... and the quite recent one was on Russia and India yet it wasn't connected to the Bitcoin market.
The other downward movement was instead blamed on wealthy people or so called institution investors, which the blamer claimed have decided to suppress the price of Bitcoin, yet the price bounced back heavily, and there was no concurrent event which fit their view point they could connect to that movement. Instead it was somehow connected back to the investors who they previously claimed had decided to suppress the price of Bitcoin.

Any observant and honest person will notice the movement started happening immediately after a comment on Bitcoin Discussion section that contains the word "shake" , (and the altcoin market seems to be the most affected to help improve Bitcoin market dominance). This means the market movement was connected to this forum, as it used to, which makes more sense since it's a Bitcoin forum that is strongly connected to Bitcoin, while the centralized financial world are connected to dollar and other fiats. The USA/China issue should have an opposite effect on the market since it connected to dollar and other fiats which are expected to massively fall against Bitcoin after the announcement except it has positive effect which will make more sense than the usual belief that the tarrif will be bad for USA.
Bitcoin should be reacting positively rather than negatively to the tarrif war between USA and other nations unless it's control by them and their economic factors, but it's not

Timeline: How Trump tariffs dragged Bitcoin below $80K (https://cointelegraph.com/news/timeline-trump-tariffs-bitcoin-drop).

Do you feel any surprise by knowing that tariff effect happened in March 2025 and Bitcoin price back then was about $80,000?
Now, its price after suffering the newest tariff shock is about $110,000 which is 37.5% above its price in March this year.

Tariff or not, it does not bring Bitcoin down to $16,000 that was its bottom price before this market cycle started months ago. Trump will also leave the White House in early of 2029.

Do you know economical news like this is unconnected to bitcoin, in real terms it is actually connected to bitcoin because just like other assets bitcoin price is influenced by supply and demand which is down to the investors, if investors get hit and it will affect bitcoin and that’s exactly what happened, wars, tariff hikes and cuts, inflation rate, employment growth and some other factors that affects the global economy will definitely affect the bitcoin market even if it is little. So we cannot actually say this tariff doesn’t affect the bitcoin price most especially seeing the market behavior right after that.

Yes I agree bitcoin was actually having a correction before that announcement but the announcement actually affected or caused the sudden dip to around $102k within few hours, I am sure bitcoin will never correct like that in a short period of time without any fundamental change, to confirm that the tariff had effects on the investors, you could recall that the last time we had such a dip was when tariff was first imposed.

Rare earths are China's trump card and once they decide to use it. That means they are ready for a fight if Trump wants one. Honestly, I don't believe Trump dares to impose 100% tariffs on Chinese goods. As usual, he will either extend the tariff date or lower the tariffs to bring China to the negotiating table.

I believe bitcoin will eventually become a safe haven like gold but I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Bitcoin needs to go through what gold has gone through, it cannot become a safe haven just because it has the characteristics of a safe haven.

He is not only using his power to control the market, he is abusing his power to show his dominance as a word leader. This is not leadership but abuse of power to demonstrate that everyone has to be under him. That's not how democracy government should work. He thinks he is going to their forever, even tough leaders don't last forever, he is gong to do his 4 years and after that years another person will come and take his rightful place and he is going to be forgotten like he was never there.

What he did affected the crypto market as billions of dollars were liquidated but I love the fact that it didn't affect only the crypto markets, trillions were liquidated in stock market which questions everyone about his actions and the things he does for personal gain than considering investments in his country.

I heard about that news too and according to many reports BlackRock bought about 45k BTC at an average price of $105k during the flash crash. As of October 9th, they have bought over 4 billion plus 5 billion BUY THE DIP. In 10 days of October alone, they bought over $10 billion in bitcoin, making them the largest ETF holding $100 billion AUM equivalent to 800kBTC.

As usual, whales and institutions actively buy when prices fall and retail investors actively sell. This is not good news at all as large institutions are increasingly holding more bitcoins and making up the majority of the supply. Blackrock alone accounts for nearly 4% of the supply.

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I think on the contrary, I believe that China will not give in and they are ready to confront directly if Trump still maintains his arrogant attitude and thinks that America can win.

China is the country that holds more than 50% of the rare earth supply and dominates the world's refining supply chain with a market share of up to 90%. That means if they issue a complete ban on rare earth exports to the US market. This would be a major blow to the US tech industry. I don't think Trump will let that happen because the consequences would be catastrophic for their economy.

Trump will have to give in.

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Considering the fact that bitcoin price is doing what it has been doing for months which is to go up and down between $110k and $120k, and is currently $114k despite all other markets dumping, I wouldn't use the term "crash" for bitcoin.

In any case, we have entered a new world that is ordered a couple of years ago. However, the rogue US regime does not want to accept it which is why they are causing this much disruption in the world and is waging a war against literally everyone else. But the world is now retaliating.
We've seen this everywhere as well, from responds by the regime's neighbors like Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Panama, etc. all the way to the China, Iran, and so on. All these retaliation is showing us how weak the US regime and its economy has always been. Which is why their markets are crashing these days.

The world is entering a transition phase toward a multipolar order, where the US's dominance as the sole post-Cold War hegemon is beginning to falter. This shift is not sudden, but rather the result of global de-dollarization, particularly by the BRICS+, which is seeking to reduce dependence on the US dollar. The economic rise of China and East Asia, which are now the world's manufacturing and technology hubs. Domestic socio-economic tensions within the US are weakening its moral and political legitimacy on the global stage. While the US still possesses military, financial, and cultural superiority, the tide of history is shifting. A new, more economically decentralized world is taking shape, with the center of gravity of economic power shifting to the East and the global South.

Some of the US's weaknesses include: over-financialization: an economy overly reliant on the financial sector rather than production, as evidenced by high national debt and a widening fiscal deficit. Deindustrialization due to the relocation of factories to Asia since the 1990s, as well as post-COVID structural inflation, fueled by quantitative easing and global energy costs. Furthermore, the dollar's dominance is beginning to be challenged. Countries such as China, Russia, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, and Iran have increased bilateral trade in local currencies, while global dollar reserves have declined, indicating an erosion of confidence in the dollar as the sole global safe haven. Finally, the US is now facing a political identity crisis, with extreme polarization between liberal-globalist and nationalist-conservative groups. Social instability, rising crime, and declining public participation in democratic institutions are all contributing to the US's ability to lead morally and diplomatically.

The so-called global retaliation against the US is actually a systemic reaction to the financial monopoly that has persisted for 80 years since Bretton Woods in 1944. The US created a global system centered on the dollar as an economic weapon, SWIFT as a means of transaction control, and the IMF and World Bank as an instrument of policy pressure. Now, non-Western countries are realizing that dependence on this system makes them vulnerable to sanctions and manipulation. This has led to a collective movement to deconstruct the dollar-based global system, which is now mainstream in a multipolar world.

US neighbors (Canada, Mexico, and Panama) are beginning to renegotiate their positions, while Canada is developing closer economic ties with Asia, particularly China and ASEAN. Mexico, on the one hand, benefits from nearshoring, but also strengthens its bargaining position against the US due to the labor and immigration crises. Panama is expanding port and financial cooperation with China, strategically undermining US control over global trade channels. While the bold rebel trio (China, Russia, and Iran) are the main axis challenging US dominance, China is leading the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) geoeconomic project, expanding its economic influence across over 150 countries. Russia is challenging the Western financial system through its energy strategy and the BRICS.
Iran is building a new Middle Eastern alliance with Saudi Arabia and China, weakening US control over global oil. Together, they are fostering the emergence of an alternative economic ecosystem with new currencies, new logistics networks, and non-Western financial institutions.

US financial markets have also exhibited symptoms difficult to ignore in the past two years, with high volatility in the stock and bond markets. The 10-year Treasury yield has risen sharply, signaling significant pressure on public debt. Furthermore, people's purchasing power is declining amid inflation and high living costs. Global investors are beginning to diversify assets outside the US, particularly into gold, bitcoin, and real assets (land, strategic commodities). This reflects declining confidence in the security of the American economy.

The US will not collapse overnight; its power remains substantial, but signs of imperial decline are clear. Moral legitimacy is declining, economic control is being shaken, and a global anti-hegemonic coalition is growing rapidly. The world is now engaged in a hybrid geoeconomic war, not just of weapons, but also of currencies, energy, data, and narratives. The US now plays a role as a power trying to maintain the status quo, while the world moves towards a new, more distributed and perhaps more equitable global economic structure.

Bitcoin's role in the current global shift is as a symbol of resistance to the US financial system. Since its inception in 2009, Bitcoin emerged immediately after the global financial crisis triggered by major US banks (Lehman Brothers, etc.). This was no coincidence, but rather an ideological response to the corruption of the global monetary system.

"The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required." — Satoshi Nakamoto

The dollar system is based on trust in the US government and central bank. Bitcoin, on the other hand, is based on algorithms, transparency, and decentralization. Therefore, Bitcoin is not just new money but also an economic protest against the US financial monopoly and the global banking cartel. In this global power shift, Bitcoin operates at three geoeconomic levels:
- monetarily, the US uses the dollar and the SWIFT system as geopolitical weapons. Bitcoin removes these controls; cross-border transactions cannot be censored, even by Washington. Therefore, Bitcoin is interpreted as threatening US financial weapons, such as freezing assets of countries that do not comply, and blocking banks and individuals from the global system. Bitcoin bypasses these channels. With nodes spread across the globe, there is no central control.

Ideologically, the dollar system rests on trust in central institutions: the Fed, the IMF, and Wall Street, while Bitcoin offers distributed trust, trust in code, not government. This challenges the core philosophy of US-style global capitalism, which states that wealth, liquidity, and financial access must be mediated by a central authority. Therefore, it could be said that behind blockchain technology, Bitcoin carries an anti-hegemonic narrative that aligns with the spirit of a multipolar global economy.

Strategically, in the context of currency and energy wars, Bitcoin serves as a neutral strategic asset. Countries or individuals who distrust the dollar system now have an alternative reserve of energy and value that cannot be blocked, cannot be manipulated, and is not subject to the policies of the Fed. This is why Bitcoin is increasingly seen not simply as an investment, but as a means of economic sovereignty for both countries and individuals.

Even the global elite cannot ignore Bitcoin. The global elite is divided into two camps: the old camp (the fiat establishment) and the new camp (the digital sovereignty movement), which sees Bitcoin as the foundation of an alternative monetary system, uncontrolled by any single country. This raises a major question: Will Bitcoin be tamed into an instrument of the old system, or will it become the foundation of a new global economy free from dollar hegemony?

The dollar system is like an old sun beginning to dim, while Bitcoin is a new star beginning to shine in the global economic galaxy. Although small, its gravity grows every year. And when the old star collapses into a black hole of debt and inflation, Bitcoin may become the center of a new economic orbit free from a single power.

We have seen Bitcoin price went down to 75k when there is first tariff tradeoff between US and Chine. The US president is losing his credibility by giving a statement and then backing off from that in few days. If same trend continues then no one will take US president serious in coming days. The Bitcoin went down due to new tariffs imposed by US on Chinese products but due to Chine firm stance US president has soften his stance. We must remain calm during such panic because Bitcoin price will eventually recover, just make sure we don't lose any money.

They really don't though.
They never had any cultural superiority to begin with considering US is a colony built on graves of countless innocent people whom they murdered when they invaded America. What they had was a soft power that is now dead and over; specially after they committed 2 years of genocide in Gaza all their talks of human rights and liberties and all that crap went down the drain.

They don't have financial superiority either, with $37.5 trillion national debt and the dollar that keeps dumping, they lost that advantage as well.
Same with the military, when we see a poor country like Yemen defeat the US navy with all its fancy equipment in only a month the point where the US president begs Yemeni forces for a ceasefire, we realize how weak the US military has gotten.

That's all true but I think one of the biggest issues in the US is something that is rarely talked about which is the systematic corruption of the regime. For example one of the reasons for the $37.5 trillion debt is the fact that certain corrupt actors in the regime started various wars over the past 20 years all of which US lost and all of them cost the Americans trillions of dollars. Like wasting $12 trillion in West Asia (invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen) trying to protect the Zionist terrorists that are occupying Palestine.

I liked this definition of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will definitely grow faster as the dollar weakens but I don't think we can call it as the replacement. It won't even be the biggest currency that is affected by dedollarisation.

We still live in a centralized world with centralized governments and centralized fiat currencies. With dollar dumping, each country is going to replace it with another fiat. In this case Chinese Yuan which is growing in usage very rapidly these days.
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The recent crypto market crash, which wiped out 50% of the total capitalization, has made two things clear:

• Bitcoin is not a safe-haven asset.
• A 50% drop in total market cap confirms the arrival of crypto winter.

If this follows the classic crypto winter script, we might see one last push to a new all-time high, followed by a final crash of up to 80%. However, given that BTC itself has shown relative strength and hasn't dropped by 50% yet, perhaps the losses this time will be more moderate.

Then here goes Trump again tweeted that China can fix it together with the US. And then, the market recovers bitcoin reaches back to $115k.

Was it 50%? it's not.

For me, it's still the safe haven that I'll have.

I agree, if there will be one more push for reaching back to the peak, we're about to welcome winter.

It's the usual setting that we see from the past bullish to bearish transition.

This is something Trump does regularly and his defenders say it is just a negotiating tactic. But in reality, he is not as smart and brave as they think, and the US economy is not as strong as they imagine.

China has matured a lot since trade war 1.0 and they are very well prepared for anything. They are truly a counterweight to the United States, not just a paper tiger as many people mistakenly believe.

Regarding bitcoin price, I am not worried even if tariffs escalate because it will adapt soon. Like how it adapted to the war between Russia and Ukraine.

China is a big power, a reality US and it's allies must accept. When US imposed high tariffs on small countries they rushed to negotiate with US but that's not the case with China. The Chinese government clearly said that they will retaliate if US imposed 100% tariff on Chinese products. 

This time there was not much decrease in Bitcoin price due to tariff threat from US or we can say market quickly recovered from the loss. According to forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2025/10/10/trump-is-now-one-of-americas-biggest-bitcoin-investors/), "Trump holds a major position in the digital currency, amounting to an estimated $870 million, enough to make him one of the largest bitcoin investors on the planet." He statements have huge impact on market and he might be doing it deliberately to gain profit.   

Getting used to this isn't something I find attractive to be fair. I really hoped that we wouldn't be getting used to such a thing and we would do fine, but apparently we are not doing that and seeing things not change that much. I hope that we can do fine and change some things. I know that it is not going to be great but we are going to see things change.

I do not think it is going to make that much of a difference and we should be considering how these things could change overtime. I understand this period of China and USA war that caused by Trump is getting to be a bit boring now that we are nearing the end of Trumps first year, but that shouldn't be really considering that be a lot better approach at the moment.

All financial markets tend to overreact, when such events happen, but the good news is that the market stabilizes in the long run. Another good news is that trade wars sooner or later come to an end and an agreement between the two sides gets signed. Maybe the trade war will end after Trump's presidency, or maybe it will end in a year or two. China will retaliate, but I'm sure that Trump will lower or postpone the tariffs and try to make a deal with comrade Xi. The correlation between crypto and stocks signals two things. 1.Crypto adoption has hit massive levels. 2.Crypto is not and it never will be a "safe heaven" asset like gold.

The United States has announced a delay in imposing 100% tariffs on China after China rejected a call from the United States. Yes, the tariffs will end soon.


I agree with you the close correlation between the crypto market and the stock market signals crypto adoption has reached a record high, and crypto is not a safe haven like gold.

But we need to make it clear while bitcoin is also part of the crypto industry, it is completely different from the rest. It outperforms altcoins in every way. Although it is not a safe haven at the moment, but I believe that may change in the future. As it matures and grows stronger, and gains the trust of the central bank. It will become a safe haven like gold, but it will take time for bitcoin to get there.

The 100% tariff will not happen until November. And the U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent (https://dailypost.ng/2025/10/14/trump-xi-to-meet-as-us-china-trade-tensions-reignite/) stated that this tariff will not happen because there are already discussions between China and U.S. President Donald Trump and President Xi Jinping might have a private meeting at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit later this month. So we expect that negotiation will start and a deal will be struck soon. Both countries know the devastating effect of this proposed 100%; they would do everything to avoid it.    

Whenever this happens, it is not going to end up being long term. We all remember the early days of Trumps presidency when he had a tariff war with China before, he talked about high tariffs, and China responded, and he increased again and again, basically they just made it nearly impossible to trade. Then it all got backtracked and we are seeing the same thing here, he is saying he will do something, crash the market and then we are going to end up with a lot better results one way or another.

There isn't anything we can gain from this, just ignore it and we can move further. The price recovered from the last time, and we are going to se it do better, it is not going to just focus on something that won't be that great.

China won't risk to damage all the the global trade because of Trump arrogance, since it knows the consequences on the global market. China is more powerful than USA and has a lot of other pressure cards that can be used. Most important of them is to rise product prices for all kind of goods sold to USA and control trading with other parts so USA can't buy using intermediaries. Trump should be aware that China is the biggest holder of US bonds and can cause a dollar crash at anytime. Trump want to limit the power of China knowing that it becomes more stronger than what was expected.

What it would do is make Trump more flexible about his China demands. China is powerful enough to not to be bullied by Trump and with this potential relatively preference access with US market, China would make US and the whole world more reliant on themselves so much that they could dictate the world rules, wars and peace. It's not long that China becomes the world police instead of US and that might not be a bad thing at all.

As of the crypto crash, some market movers were waiting for the moment to liquidate users and this even though was not much different threat from what Trump has done in past few years, used as an excuse to dump coins and liquidate long term users creating more larger falls eventually getting more coins in cheaper price.

The recent imposition of rare tariffs by Trump on China has led to a huge drop in the US stock market, and I have even seen it have a significant impact on the crypto market. In fact his decision led to the largest liquidation in the cryptocurrency market, amounting to more than $19 billion. As a result, traders and investors may have been able to profit from this Bitcoin ATH for a short time but then additional tariffs were imposed on China, since then the market has been in a much deeper recession again, causing many traders to panic, we have witnessed such an incident where a Ukrainian man committed suicide after facing financial losses when the market went down after Trump's comments.

If there is a fiat war and a tariff war with the United States, I believe people will still invest more in crypto, indeed they will understand that it is an alternative resource. It's true that demand for digital currencies may increase amid economic instability.

By the way, after looking at this, it seems that the United States is trying to exert influence over China in every field,
because this country is now a Chinese citizen and they are trying to seize over 127,000 Bitcoins from that citizen because he is involved in a criminal network based in Cambodia even American senator are looking to use this Bitcoin to boost the strength of their strategic Bitcoin reserve.

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Crypto Scam: U.S. Gov To Seize $14 Billion In Bitcoin https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/u-s-seizes-14-billion-in-bitcoin-from-scam

But you know, the idea of ​​building a strategic bitcoin reserve through confiscation shows they don't have a lot of faith in bitcoin. If they believe and think bitcoin is important, they need to spend money to buy it the way they do with gold and other assets. Building bitcoin reserves solely by confiscating from criminals shows that the US does not value and appreciate bitcoin as much as they claim. What if other countries follow suit and worse, they enact draconian regulations to confiscate bitcoin from investors?

By the way, if they do this just to counter China, they are naive. China is holding the strategic card (rare earths) and any action they take will only make things more tense and cannot make China change its mind about rare earths. They will be the losers.

what if China loses USA as a buyer for its rare earths? it's not very good for them either because USA already is starting to look for alternatives. I also don't believe in imposing 100% tariffs but that's Trump's method—intimidate to force a deal.

Bitcoin has already made good progress and is gaining the confidence from major investors. the recent market crash showed that Bitcoin is already quite resilient. I think BTC needs more use cases and developed infrastructure for ordinary users.

This is a continuation of the trade war that heated up a few months ago but on the one hand I think the outcome will remain the same where China will still be able to make some breakthroughs that could cause problems for the US.

I still feel that, for now Trump's policies and actions are essentially courting disaster as they seem to want to show that they are a country with complete power in all matters but at this point China could turn the tables on them.
This does not mean that Trump's display of power is wrong, but for now, when dealing with China, it is clearly risky because China, which is almost on par with the US in terms of economy, is clearly not a country that can be easily oppressed and forced to accept all of Trump's policies.

Yes, this is a continuation of the tariffs from several months ago, and China has always been able to resist them and is not easily defeated. This is because China has risen from adversity to become one of the world's economic giants today. Supported by a large population, courageous leaders, a strong economic foundation, a powerful military, and abundant natural resources, China has the courage to take countermeasures.

I believe America's decision to raise these tariffs is merely a bluff. This will never be implemented, just a bluff. A new agreement will be reached before the deadline, or there will be another 90 day delay. The US doesn't have the absolute power to enforce this; it's a suicide mission. Trump's statement alone sent the Nasdaq plummeting, and several other stocks also plummeted.

Trump often repeated the slogan “Make America Great Again” as a political promise to restore America greatness. One of his approaches was to reduce dependence on imports, yet the most absurd part is that some of the products bearing that very slogan were actually made in China. From this simple fact, I think that no matter what policies Trump implements, it would be very difficult for him to win the trade war against China. One of China main advantages in such a war is its low production costs, and their ability to find opportunities that most people would never expect.

In the tariff war between China and the US, economic instruments are being used as part of a broader struggle for dominance and hegemony. The undeniable fact is that China has usurped the dominance of trade from the US. Despite the ups and downs in Sino-US relations, many have overlooked the possibility that the trade war is a manifestation of a battle of egos between Trump and Xi, two figures with personalistic leadership styles. Both are strongman leaders with differing rationales: Xi rationalizes power to maintain long-term order (vision 2049), and Trump personalizes power for short-term political and economic goals.

For Xi, Trump is an anomaly in American politics, a non-bureaucratic figure who prefers personal diplomacy and is easily influenced by ego and status symbols. Xi sees the tariff war as an opportunity to test the waters of the global order, believing that the US under Trump is declining from its role of moral hegemon. This is evident in Trump's unpredictable behavior, with decisions dominated by personal impulses rather than institutional consensus. So, Trump is seen as a temporary disruption in the US system that actually accelerates China's rise.

Phrasmatically, for Trump, Xi is a major business partner with negotiating skills but also a deal-making capability. As the US-China trade deficit increased and domestic political pressure intensified, Trump personalized the trade war, transforming Xi from a friend to a foe in a competition for economic dominance. However, Trump's strategy remained transactional rather than strategic; he wanted a quick trade deal that could be presented to the public as a political victory.

So, the tariff war was a direct result of personal political calculations, not long-term US strategic planning. Xi responded with counter-tariffs and accelerated market substitution to Asia and Africa. When Trump weakened US alliances in Europe and Asia by attacking NATO and withdrawing from the TPP, this gave China the opportunity to increase its economic influence through the RCEP and BRI. He also initiated technological decoupling by banning Huawei, TikTok, and other products. Xi responded by accelerating technological independence.

Who do you think will be the future global leader in the battle of the two great egos: America First vs. the China Dream?

What alternatives does the United States have to China for rare earths when China is the global hub and accounts for more than 90% of the rare earth supply chain?
It is reported that Trump has ordered the US, EU and allies to rebuild rare earth processing plants but according to experts, it will take 10 years to implement that plan. What do you think would happen to the US tech industry in those 10 years if there weren't enough rare earths?

Of course this will also hurt China but the question is who will suffer more?
I guess we all know the importance of rare earths and if the trade war escalates, we all know who will suffer the most.

Ukraine! One of the reason for this proxy war was to destroy Ukraine and in the aftermath the US regime comes in and to rebuild what they destroyed themselves (by using Ukraine as their proxy) steal all their resources which include many of the rare earth metals. Remember the thing Trump forced the Zionist Zelensky to sign a while ago?

Obviously US.
For starters the Chinese economy does not rely on exporting those resources whether raw or processed. But the US economy and the high tech industry that they heavily rely on, depends on importing these things and both shortage and price rise would heavily damage the US economy.

Secondly, China is already using those rare metals in its own high tech industries that are growing very fast. They don't need to export the raw materials very soon since it would be consumed. Which also means they would take over the global market for high tech products that was once dominated by US which is another reason why US economy would suffer.

Add the ongoing dedollarisation to it and the fact that most of the world is replacing Dollar with Yuan and you get another reason why US economy is suffering more than the Chinese economy.
This is also explaining why the US regime is getting increasingly more desperate and brutal these days starting more wars with the world trying to destabilize the whole world just to survive a little longer!

Yes, sir. In fact, China does have a special natural resource advantage, namely several rare earth metals, and this gives them significant leverage at the moment. But in short, if we think about it, they are interconnected, as if they both need each other.


In the face of dedollarisation, many countries have tried to hold reserves in USD and shift them to yuan, gold, and even crypto. But, If we se until now they still have managed to dominate the market despite their dire financial conditions. The president's tactics are also interesting.

It's going to be a battle of attrition and I don't think that anyone of this two will move and let the other win. Maybe Trump and his advisers might have thought about it and so they could have a plan B already. As far as rebuilding rare earth, it could be 10 years or maybe less and so with that, there could really be pressures from Trump to his allies to finished it as early as they can.

We will not yet know who is going to win here, but I'm not siding, but I think in the long run, it could be China that might have to suffer. Just like in the initial tariff, in the beginning they stood strong but then they've buckle down a bit to the US. But Trump escalated this to a new level.

In fact, the Trump administration plans to build a rare earth supply chain to reduce dependence on China, and the theft of Ukraine's resources is part of this plan. Trump has been planning this since his first term, but building a rare earth supply chain is not easy when they have to start from scratch.

Their plan is that when they have an alternative source of rare earths, they will launch a full-scale attack on China to stop its development. But unfortunately, they are one step behind China. President Xi Jinping saw through Trump's plan and struck first.

So in this war, the United States seems to have no chance of winning against China. They don't even have any strategic cards except tariffs, while China has no shortage of cards to play with the US.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-takes-immediate-action-to-increase-american-mineral-production/

I can see that president Donald trump is bent on making sure that he cripple the Chinese economy over perceived threat to the united states economy.but what trump and his advisers are ignoring is that in this present world and time countries no longer respects the United States of America as before because, there are alternatives trading routes that countries like china and Russia has provided.i see this move as a joke because when it comes to electronics china is number one so I don't really see the impact of this latest sanctions will have on the Chinese economy.trump should channel his energy in making sure that he builds the American economy that has been struggling for a while now and stop chasing shadows because it's not going to work.

Even if China doesn't play the rare earth or lithium ion battery card, which is another strategic card as they control up to 80% of the global production and supply chain similar to rare earth. They can also beat the US in a trade war.

According to new reports despite tensions and a series of tariffs from the US. China's exports rose 8.3% in September, beating analysts' expectations of 6%. They have been successful in diversifying their markets and reducing their dependence on the US market.

It can be said, Trump is just trying to save face on the international stage by stubbornly pushing through with these ridiculous tariffs, but in reality, it’s already clear who the real winner of this trade war is.

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https://x.com/wallstengine/status/1977673156014768424

Of course the China vs. The US will of course automatically have a big impact on the global economy, not without reason, we know China and the US have the biggest investors in the world, almost all countries have investors in these two countries.

With the China vs. US investors are afraid that many of them will withdraw their shares in these two countries and this will also impact other countries, they will switch to digital currencies, they believe Bitcoin is safer for the time being, waiting for the China vs. China trade war. The US is winding down, that's what's happening right now.

It is not surprising that the war between these two countries almost made the world economy worse, because currently the world economy has a big influence on these two countries.

I wouldn't say need, but they are indeed interconnected. But as I said a couple of years ago when this whole global conflicts started, the world is decoupling, deglobalizing and de-americanizing.
I have not verified this yet but I read today that China-US economic ties has been reduced by 50%. They've already decoupled a lot and it will continue like this.

Unfortunately the US regime has and is using another card against the world (including China) and that is destabilization and disruption of supply chain specifically in the energy sector.

For example when it comes to energy, the US regime already has the Arab dictators who control a lot of the global oil supply on a very short leash so they obey all the orders coming from Washington. In West Asia that only leaves Iran that has the largest supply of oil+gas in the world alongside other natural resources like massive lithium reserves; and we saw back in June how the NATO-Zionist-Takfiri Axis tried to basically destroy Iran with a Nazi style blitzkrieg attack.
Because that failed miserably and Iran heavily bombed the Axis for 13 days straight destroying a lot of US and NATO military assets, they moved to other projects. In West Asia they are now destabilizing Iran's eastern neighbor Afghanistan which is also China's neighbor as well as western neighbor Iraq.

They are also preparing to invade Venezuela, another oil rich country with other resources.

This is the dangerous card that US regime is playing against the world and of course against China. If they succeed in increasing their control over natural resources, it would significantly harm Chinese economy that relies on import of raw material, energy, etc.

Just an hour ago Trump said that 100% tariff on goods from China is not sustainable. The funny thing is that Trump is into cryptocurrencies and he clearly sees that every of his speculation significantly affects the crypto market and this is the moment for him to earn billions of dollars.

I'm simply curious about to know your opinion on this. What will be the best country to live in the next 10, 20 years? Today I really think about this. Despite the fact that I don't completely agree with you about the USA, I think that it will not be strong in the next decades. It's a great country at the moment for extraordinary talents but EU countries are very good too in this case and Europe is much safer than the USA. USA is much better for business and entrepreneurs than any EU country.

In general, I think that Australia is the best place to live right now in terms of quality of life.

the trader president at his best.
Up and downs is the trader's heaven.

Battling China will not gain America anything. We have seen it and seen how it just hurts American economy, nobody is getting better and for some reason republicans like it.

Because they like that their president is "bullying" some nation, when in reality the "bullied" which is China, doesn't even care, because they make superior products and for cheaper, so they are selling to the whole world. I do not like China single bit, the way they are run, they are dictatorship and I never liked any dictatorships, even if the economy is going great, it is still not democracy. However, that doesn't change the fact that Trump could make the tariffs %10000 and it would still not stop China from growing bigger than USA.

What Trump is missing is that the companies that buy Chinese products, will put that tariff on the buyer, and if there is a cheaper American version then yeah people would prefer that, but if there is none, then they would just have to pay more to get it, and that doesn't benefit any American at all.

Tariffs on things that America already builds, and can make for cheaper is ok, that's actually a good idea, but a blanket tariff that is 100% or whatever on ALL Chinese products makes no sense. If there is a product that USA doesn't make, and then you put that price, it is not Chinese companies that pay for it, it's the Americans that pay more to get it now. Hence the trouble, it makes no sense to do something like this.

There is no net savings at present, it will be an annual spend of 1 trillion interest on the national debt or 14% of the nations taxes are spent just trying to stay afloat.  There is a fiscal deficit and the debt will expand as it does every year so they aren't saving anything at all, the gold is retained and it goes up in price because they are wrecking dollar value but its not enough to counter balance the losses.
   I see their use of a BTC reserve like they hold some Russian assets that will be retained to pay for all the damage done by Russian invading various countries.   Its not going to be enough to balance the damage done there either.

Trump would not randomly launch a trade war with China if he had no clear purpose and did not benefit from it. He noticed that China was growing rapidly, while the United States seemed to be slowing down. If this situation continues, China and its allies will soon surpass the United States, NATO and the G7 to dominate the world. It can be said that China is a challenge and threat to America's leading position if we look at the issue from America's perspective.

But instead of competing fairly, they are too scared and afraid of losing because they know that they will not be able to compete directly with China. So instead, they have resorted to cheap schemes of causing global chaos, creating an unstable world to stifle China's growth and weaken the rest of the world so they can maintain their leading position.

They believe that by doing so, they will also be hurt, but the rest of the world will be hurt more seriously. Fom there, they could maintain their power but it seems their calculation was wrong when they underestimated China's power and potential. They are the ones who suffer more serious losses.

I think Trump's tone should be softer. This 100% tariff is not only affecting China and the United States, but it will also affect the global economy. I think China will take the income it used to earn in the United States from other countries. That will hurt the global economy. Also, the fall in the price of Bitcoin has also become a concern.

You know, Trump is a good player because of his background as a businessman. Just imagine, despite what he's doing which is very obvious manipulation of the market through
the tariff that he constantly uses and then suddenly withdraws.

What if, before he does this, he talks to Xi Jinping so that both of them can benefit from the market? This is possible. Just think, even with what he does,
his friendship with Xi Jinping still remains, right?

Donald Trump is a good player and the United State still lost $1.65 trillion in the America stock market,all in a single day ;D ;D. This is to tell you how fragile the US economy is from the inside despite bragging to be world power. Let's call a spade a spade,Donald Trump isn't a smart leader,he is reckless,full of pride and doesn't know when to quit. They started the trade war against China and now, there are the ones begging to meet president Xi Jinping for a negotiation to end the trade war they started. The Truth is,if Donald Trump fails to end the trade war against China,US Economy will be in a big mess.

$1.65 trillion is nothing compared to the losses the US stock market suffered when Trump launched the trade war in March. And if I remember correctly, the damage was estimated at $11 trillion. Not stopping there, the trade war has caused the US economy to slow down in the past two quarters, making the Fed hesitant to lower interest rates. All of that has cost US businesses, institutions and consumers trillions of dollars. It’s ridiculous to look at that data and still have people claiming that Trump is a good player and a good president.

Update: Anti-Trump protests with the slogan "No King" are spreading across all 50 US states. If he were a good player and a good president, this would never have happened. ;) ;)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/10/18/no-kings-protest-trump-crowds-live-updates/86689448007/

what we see now is that many companies built factories and cannot sell those. They are not even trying. They hope the tariffs go away.
Industry is so far from reality that some of their leader use X or Linkedin to see a real life struggle.
China after the 1st Trump shock just moved on and built in the rest of the world. That tactic should be copied and replicated.

Elon is much more relaxed as he built is giga factories in place he thinks to be stable.

In the EU the entire administration is unaware.

I am not sure whether he is a good player or not, even good players take some calculated risks and take some calculated damage in order to pursue a long term strategy, that is at least how many Trump supporters are going to view this market shake provoked by Trump and his commercial war against China.
In the end, the United States economy continues to be highly dependant on the cheap labor of China and other Asian countries, whether Republicans like it or not, and adding tariffs to products coming from China will only affect Americans living in the USA as the price of those tariffs are going to be passed upon them, companies won't adsorb the prices of Trump's economical policies, that is for sure.

Trump obviously wants to pressure China into getting a deal which would be more favorable to USA, but that is very unlikely to happen China has more economical leverage and labor than the United States.

Maybe DT is not reading the right papers?

  That came out in 2023.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2023/five-years-trade-war-china-continues-its-slow-decoupling-us-exports

I agree with you. I see Trump's decisions as sometimes blunders. He feels he's still a superpower, even though the reality is that the US is currently suffering, especially with the numerous wars that are costing money. This is evident when Trump made that decision, which resulted in a $1.65 trillion loss in the US stock market. A ruler isn't necessarily smart when he becomes president, and I also see Trump as wanting to appear strong in the eyes of the world.

Moreover China has experience dealing with Trump's policies. When someone experiences problem A for the first time, it will be a severe blow. But after two or three times, it will become commonplace, and the person will become stronger. Adding 100% tariffs on China would be tantamount to suicide, especially in software, where China is already highly self sufficient. Huawei, for example, has created its own ecosystem, independent of Android. China can also produce its own hardware. Furthermore China has joined the BRICS, making it secure in its trade market without the US. So it can be said that Trump's decision was indeed very reckless.

Let's go back a few years to when the tariff war first started. The USA successfully pressured China with its high tariffs, then a few months later, what happened? China responded and took the same action, for about three years the two countries were at war and the tensions subsided after they signed the Phase One Trade Deal. Now the USA is starting again, I don't know what's on Trump mind, after all China has been through it all and they certainly know how to anticipate pressure from the USA, and as you said China economy is currently superior in all areas so what Trump is doing feels useless like slowly digging his own grave.

moreover these losses for the markets in trillion dollars could be more than just a one-time event. they could have negative consequences in the long term. maybe Trump is a good president for crypto but he is not so good for the rest.

it feels like he's surrounded himself with people who don't contradict him and fulfill his every wish. he takes any criticism like a touchy teenager. a good president respects voters even if they didn't vote for him and doesn't post videos like Trump in Truth Social: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115398251623299921

it's very disrespectful to american citizens.

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