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I know for sure that there's an expected house edge and a ban will most likely occur when a player employs a legal strategy to gain a long-term advantage, thus negating this house edge in the long term.
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‎A typical example to illustrate my point and let you understand why bookmakers don't like consistent winners will be:
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‎The case of a gambler winning a $100 million jackpot on a slot machine versus a gambler winning $150k over a month playing blackjack while clearly counting cards.
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‎While in the first case scenario, the casino will celebrate the winner of the $100 million and even let the public carry the news on every channel so as to bring in more desperate folks who intend to better their lot by gambling.
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‎In the second instance, the casino is likely to ban the gambler who has won $150k over a month while counting cards at blackjack.
 They understand here that this single long term winner is winning way much more than losing and that is bad for business, hence the ban and a user gets confused with all sorts of questions that revolve around the cause of such ban and acclaimed innocence.

My question is this;
‎* Do you know any cases of gambler(s) chased out of or banned from visiting a casino or gambling platform because they won too much?

‎* or could it be something like this ban or restriction happened to you and you didn't take proper note?
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Not all bookmakers are against players winning on multiple occasion. I understand the phycological side of the business, it hurts when you are not making profit but the profit they make comes from when many bettors lose after betting. The money won by a particular bettor on multiple occasion cannot affect the business, which is why I said in the first place that the house edge is a general thing. If a bettor is lucky to keep winning, then there is something he is doing right. But his potential win is only a fraction to what the bookmaker profit in a day after many loss from other bettors.

Casinos will celebrate someone who wins as much as $20k, they'll definitely do the same for over $100k. Winnings running into millions will create more fomo effect but they will use each successful paid out big wins to get new players in and to reassure existing ones that they're reliable.

The idea is that to win consistently you need to have one up on their system. Casinos do not like to lose their edge so they'll kick out someone who looks to be successful at counting cards even if they can't prove they're actually doing that. If they suspect someone to be counting cards but they are losing way more, the casino will allow them keep playing.
If you win consistently betting on sports in a top league where fixing is almost impossible, reputable casinos will not ban the player.

I don't really think a reputable casino would do this or allow it on their casinos as long as the gambler keeps it fair and doesn't in any way exploit a casino loophole to get consistent wins. A casino might ban the user for other reasons which might include breaking one or more SLAs in the process of using the casino but for the purpose of winning fairly, I really don't think that any casino that cares about it's reputation would engage in such.

I have never actually seeing or heard of any user been banned or suspended for winning too much on the betting platforms because technically it hasn’t happened that you will be winning too much like a month straight, it’s not impossible but seriously improbable and that’s maybe the reason why I haven’t seen anything like that before but should something like this happen I thin the users will most definitely be facing issues like the casino asking for extra Informations like KYC before proceeding with Payments.

It will be definitely hard to see this happening because if it is a slot game I think the casino will definitely make a change because I personally think the odds of this games are always favouring the house that I don’t think this your assumption will actually come to reality

Here is the thing, if they find out that you win consistently and your wins are traced to arbitrage betting or every other system that's forbidden your account will stop functioning, they are going to ban it. If they notice that your wins are either random or you are just good at predicting games they might reduce that odds you have. This tells you that betting is nothing more than a losing game

I've never experienced this, but I've read about similar cases on this forum. One gambler who regularly wins bets cannot withdraw their winnings. The casino limits bets and the gambler can only bet very small amounts. I don't know the truth about that case, but I still really remember what he said on a thread.

Casinos want to make a profit and don't want to lose money in this business. However, when casinos actually do such things, they are violating the rules. They must pay out any winnings and they shouldn't even limit withdrawals just because someone wins regularly.

counting cards is prohibited in most casinos because it allows gamblers to maximize their chances and be able to use a strategy to win once it becomes about skills, the casino doesn’t like it anymore compared to your first instance where not everyone will be lucky enough to win jackpot prizes
winning too much may get you inspected but if you are not cheating the casino should find nothing on you

Actually I was thinking you had a case that formed an inspiration behind the topic of your thread but it turns out you're only speculating. I've not heard of any casino that banned the account of a user simply because he was winning large even if the game provider dislikes it. There are series of reasons that your account can be banned which is reflective in the TOC and if the player read correctly, then banning their account might not be a surprise to them but banning for the purpose of winning big is not a valid concern unless it's a mushroom casino who doesn't care about it's reputation, longevity and customer review or those who aren't operating with good backup funds for payouts and such a casino wouldn't last long.

I don’t know of any personal case but I think I have read somewhere, probably in the thread where betnomi was discussed, the representative back then did claim that a consistent winner is bad for the business, let’s not forget that to the owners gambling is just a business and they’ll treat it as one before they start considering other things. And if something is not good for a business the best thing to do is to try and eradicate it to avoid it from crumbling the business.

I’m not sure of the exact discussion, but the representative claimed that when you’re constantly winning, what they’ll do is to try and limit your account that way they’ll minimize the amount of loses they’ll incur from having you on their site but in some cases they might even just ban the account.

Let us put it this way, they have sophisticated instruments or algo that can detect such unusual activity like winnings. So for sure, they may investigate you if they found out that you are doing something that violate in their terms. They may not warn you yet but maybe they are already checking your activity. So if you already know that you are violating the terms, better stop and think if you really want to get your assets frozen or continue to enjoy playing.
But most reputable casinos here don't mind their players winning as long as they are not violating any terms. That's the reason why it is always recommended to play on trustworthy sites known in this forum. Because it is like - you can not go wrong playing on their site. Unless, you really did violate their terms.

Gambling platforms that chases away a player who wins consistently are somewhat managed by a naive representative, who doesn't know how business works and how to leverage on good news into a marketing scenario.

Ask any manager of any gambling platforms if the won amount is subtracted from their salary or not.

If it's been removed, then they should dislike consistent winner, if it's the opposite, then there is no need to dislike winner.

I don't know of any gambler, casino/sportsbook that have done something like this but I do know for a fact that it happens in crypto especially but mostly in centralized exchanges where market makers (MMs) report anyone that is consistently winning against them so they can get kicked. I imagine something similar would happen on gambling platforms if a gambler's win surpasses his losses by exponential rates.

Very right in that regards if the players account go against the rules of the casinos, he will definitely get stopped no casino will entertain so much a actions since it becomes a clear abuse of the system, but if the gambler have won fair, the casino will most definitely pay them their winnings and won't withhold any amount, stake casino have hard several high winnings pay out and even today you can check the payment histories, for a reputable casinos winning payment is one of the most important aspects of the business.

Have you watched the 2008 movie "21"? I read the movie was inspired by the story of a group of friends called the MIT team. These guys specialised in card counting. They were so good; probably they must have mastered the game so well. These team kept winning all their games. The news spread everywhere and they were banned from gambling in casinos within their region (Las Vegas). Those guys were bad news to the casinos, no casino wanted to such a disaster  ;D.  So gamblers, casinos love it when you lose ;D

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Bookmarkers don't really feel cheated when you win, neither are they afraid of consistent winnings like you said; the whole sequence is balanced, but the odds are still greatly in their favour, so they don't care. One of the reasons why they become really strict about their rules is that they don't want to have you passing any route that unters their algorithm, so as long as you're still in that channel, they win everytime.

Someone said they've never seen a user getting banned for winning consistently and I can agree to that as well. One of the most important things to look out for in every casino business are winnings; just like a loss is unavoidable to the gamblers, winnings are same to casinos. They prepare a special voucher to cover every wins, as you long as you keep betting!

I have faced various incidents while sitting on the gambling platform, but I did not win big. But my friend next to me won against the opposite person at the table, and my friend lost but my friend was fine. I am talking about gambling in the real world. Whenever I win a lot of money, my friend, the people around me and the committee members of this gambling establishment, including the committee members, become jealous of that person, and during gambling, various tricks are being used to create a fight after winning. I am an ordinary person there,
So I just watched, and finally the committee members took the person to a different place, since then I have not received any news and have not tried to find out more about that incident. So when you win in gambling, jealousy arises in the real world, it seems normal for your account to be blocked or suspended online.

I already know about this in documentaries where gambler in physical casinos was banned due to cheating. He rigged the slot machine, and he kept winning. If I remember correctly, he was caught and interviewed about how he did it, so the casinos could fix the problem.

I have not been banned or restricted from any online casino yet. I will not even try to cheat or anything, and if it happens to me, I'd rather just ignore it, move on, and look for another casino that will accept me.
The problem with being banned or restricted is that you cannot fight back. For whatever reason you have, clean or not, they will not listen anymore. That's what I saw with other users who pleaded their cases.

I want to share an honest experience. A few months ago, I was gambling at one of the popular casinos mentioned in this forum. I only played poker games from Evolution and some roulette. I managed to win a few dollar not a big amount but what surprised me was that my withdrawal wasn't processed even after 24 hours.

After that, I contacted customer support and was asked to complete KYC. To my surprise, after completing the KYC process, my account was blocked and my funds were confiscated. When I followed up with support, I was accused avoid the house edge. I tried asking for more details, but all they said was that the casino's decision is final.

This really happened to me. I've been gambling for years, and this is the first time I've ever encountered something like this.

I remember a video about Dana White(president of UFC), where he told a story about how he got kicked out of casinos in Las Vegas after winning more than a Million Dollars. As for online casinos, maybe it does happen too, but in a different way, I mean, there have been cases posted here in the forum where a gambler suddenly gets banned or investigated after winning a lot of money from a casino.

That's how some casino just restrict it users having huge win, then giving reasons like arbitrage in sports bets for them to give excuse and confiscate their winnings or refund their deposits for "lighter restrictions" and called them considerate. It's unfortunate but it happens.

Because the jackpot also creates an advertisement. They may have given the jackpot, but that will also attract more players. As for consistent winners, of course, even you wouldn’t want your business to keep losing the same goes for bookmakers or casino owners. I’ve read and watched a few stories where a player got banned after consistently winning. True or not, I think it really happens. Your business is meant to earn you money, not give it away. Business is business.

I don't think there's anything wrong with winning consistently if you are not cheating, any bookmaker that has an issue with bettors that win consistently without using any forbidden systems cannot be trusted. Recently I read a thread about how a gambler couldn't claim his wins because the casino couldn't provide it. It's not hard to tell that bookmakers such like this will not pay out big wins to bettors

Of course, casinos don't like players who consistently win, as it can lead to losses or hinder their profits. But I've previously wondered if anyone can consistently profit from gambling, even if they're just a casual player.

I think it's almost impossible for anyone to consistently profit from gambling and consistently meet their needs through winnings. If that were the case, gambling could be considered a source of income, while using gambling as a source of income can have detrimental consequences.

I really dont know how much of this becomes actually true. Most of the scam accusations on the forum have some problem on part of the gambler, otherwise the money involved gets resolved on raising the issue.

Then regular winners is something that I dont see in casinos, because that is how it is supposed to be. If someone is winning consistently, they are probably cheating in some way or another, because otherwise it seems strange.

It might seem I am against the gamblers, but that is not the case, because I am trying to reason it out here. Feel free to correct me.

They can consistently profit assuming they have a good sports analysis skills even though they are being restricted by casino.

You will notice that some user always have problem on different casino because they keep on creating new account to different casino once they are already restricted to a certain casino.

There’s a lot of new casino and existing casino that they can choose to gamble once they are already restricted.

I didn't know them personally but I have watched some clips in Youtube before about players that gets banned for card counting, though it's not illegal it is not encouraged by the casino owners since they are losing. It's different than winning the Jackpot, because winning a jackpot requires luck and the percentage of you winning it is really low, while the card counting is a skill/strategy to beat the casino. So far, I have been playing mostly online and haven't experienced getting banned or restricted in real physical casinos.

Before, I thought that it was only in movies that a person could count cards but when I watched the clip, you just need to be smart and practice a lot and you can achieve it.

Your "typical" example is not typical at all.
One guy won the jackpot fair and square the other guy did his winnign by cheating!

It's like saying banks loving people that deposit money and hating people that rob them is discrimination!


The jackpot is part of the game, no matter how big it is it it's proportional to the sums the casino makes out of it, a game provider that only makes $1000 a day out of a game won't throw 20 mils as a jackpot on that game, with cards, there is no pot, a casino could have 10 players out of which 9 are couting cards screwing the balance out of control.

Yes, it could be an advertisement outside of the casino business. By rewarding players with winnings, they're more likely to tell others about their wins, and they'll likely also tell the casino that awarded them the winnings. This will certainly attract more attention from other players who want to try their luck. Furthermore, if you win in a physical casino, many people will see it, making them more confident in their ability to win at that casino. However, casinos won't reward all players because, as you said, business is business, and the goal is to make a profit.

I've actually meet a few guys both online and offline, and also heard stories too of people who were banned from accessing their account on a casino by the casino on the ground that they were winning too much, but this happens rarely or rarely happens, and it's mostly happens when or if the gambler is suspected of using manipulative means to win from the casino..

One that happens more frequently is restrictions, most casinos do not hesistate to restrict and or limit gamblers who are seen to be winning too much, it's clearly bad for their business.
This is why it is always advisable that gamblers who know that they are too good in a particular game should not focus on playing that particular game alone, they should try as much as possible to mix up, and sometimes, willingly loss a game or two as a way to have a balanced sheet, to avoid getting restricted or limited by the casino.

There are lot of such news all over,  5 famous people who’ve been banned from casinos  (https://philomathnews.com/5-famous-people-whove-been-banned-from-casinos/) and  Ban from a Casino for Nothing Other Than Winning Too Much Money  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468659.0)

Something like that has never happened to me, and I hope it doesn't as well. I wish to be lucky enough to hit it big but not to be banned from the casino. Now that a new bill has been proposed for such to be stopped, let's hope it passes hearing and becomes law so that these casinos can stop treating winners that way.

Not really, but it caught the attention of the casino and raised some suspicion of cheating, which led to an investigation. It may not say they hate gamblers keeping on winning, but I think they wanted fairness, just like how they show fairness to them as well. Because they know that gamblers more often lose than win. When they notice something unusual, they start to watch your movements, and sometimes, without solid proof, they ban gamblers from playing anymore.

However, if we are playing religiously, then banning is certainly not on our minds. But if we are guilty of doing it, even if we are never caught, that already raises concern. 

Serious casinos will not fire a customer just because that customer is making money constantly, they will limit that customer so that he does not bankrupt the casino, but strangely I read that the MMA guy was fired from a casino

https://www.sportbible.com/mma/ufc/ufc-news/dana-white-ufc-casino-money-gambling-ban-086404-20241129

Probably when casinos do this, they realize that if a guy can win consistently and that guy teaches it to more people, then there would be many people winning consistently, and if the guy starts increasing the bet amount, then the casino will go bankrupt. That's why casinos take action very early. Whether this is right or wrong, I honestly prefer not to give an opinion. I don't know if there is any casino that has included this in the TOS.

I wonder how possible it is to keep winning regularly without losing for a while. Seems to me that there's more to their winning than the normal gambling process. In all my gambling on the casino and encounters with fellow gambler community, it's very rare if at all to see someone winning regularly and whenever such situations occur, it's obvious the gambler is cheating in some kind of way and the casino would always restrict the account temporarily to evaluate the fairness in his play patterns.

If you count cards, you can be banned from casinos. However, the most common way someone is banned is when they are an expert at a certain type of game and no one wants to play against them. It's not like they are actually banned, but their talent makes others afraid to play against them. Casinos monitor their users. If they see you making money regularly, they will observe you to find out why and determine whether you are cheating or not.

You do not need to even look for anyone who has such cases before but just go through the scam accusation section you would see how often many people has been complaining about some casino's restricting them from withdrawing their funds after countless of deposit on that site, but immediately they noticed that you have won substantial amount you would see them limiting you from having access to the gambling site so that you wouldn't be having that chance to make all withdrawal so easily.

Still considering the scenario, such as the deposit habits, withdrawals, and how they will use the platform, more like even its a slot game, table top games or even sports betting once they detected a suspicious activity with your account they will probably flag, but of course with due process which for sure they will seek an additional level of KYC to verify you are a real player and not just a bot and even to make sure the transactions. So far i didnt experienced it yet but most of the thread created here have the same problem but of course others get resolved and still others are open.

I didn't gambling too much so, impossible to me to got banned from online casinos if the caused is too much win consistently but so far i had read the stories that some of gamblers known as the legend because they have fantastic winning consistently and indeed because of their reputation plenty of casinos were banned them that because they do not want to go bankrupt if those people playing at their places but i do not really sure these stories is valid or not but some casinos doesn't liked to the players with excellent winning statistics because the people like this probably will eat the profit which they got from other players so, probably the casinos will find a way to prevent these players from returning to play

Even if you are the owner of the casino, you would suspect a user who has been winning consistently to ascertain if he is cheating the system. This is because the system is built in a way that you win less and lose more. I think I have seen some cases of scam accusations where the casino freezes the account of a bettor who won big because of some flimsy excuses. Sometimes they release the funds after the intervention of some reputable members. This shows that the reason why these customers were targeted was because they won big or consistently.

Naturally bookmakers wouldn't like a gambler that is exceptionally lucky, it is just a business psychology, if it is a reputable casino and they don't find the gambler cheating in anyway I don't think that they can ban such a player. Sooner or later the gambler's luck will turn around and the casino will start to recover their loses, I don't know if anybody's luck can continue to shine for a very long time except exceptional people. What I believe is that if a winner is on a winning streak a casino will most likely have a special interest on such a gambler. I have never heard that a gambler is banned simply because he is winning more, maybe it happens but it won't be fair because far more people lose their money regularly.

I have never meet someone who have been banned from casinos because of their consistent winnings, but I have seen some cases of people getting limited on online casinos because they were indeed winning money inna rather consistent way (thanks to their good luck), so the house decided to exclude them from all bonuses, events and promotions in the future.

Also, counting card in blackjack is rather a controversial topic and I have the sensation people believe countering cards is easy, when in reality it requires very high attention and rapid mathematical calculation, which is something not everyone can pull off.

Unfortunately, this is how it happens, and we've seen examples like this more than once. It's bad because the casino makes money off players, big money at that, and as soon as someone starts winning, the casino thinks they're going to lose their cash flow and starts throwing a spanner in the works. There are even threads on the forum where players describe situations where the casino won't let them withdraw their winnings; I'd even say this happens frequently. Of course, each case needs to be carefully examined individually, because players can sometimes start lying after losses, using various methods to claim they were given their money, even dishonestly. One thing is clear from all this: no one likes to be a loser, but someone will always be.

A friend of mine told me that you had this short football he normally bets on using a specific a sports book and he was playing single games and making profit from it, after a while his account got restricted then he decided to open a new account...he figured out a way to outsmart that algorithm..while he was playing those short football games he intentionally staked amounts less than a dollar to lose so losses would be recorded,..its been working for him

I don't know anyone who has gone through this, but, if the gambler wins honestly, without using unapproved strategies, I don't see why a casino would ban them. Regarding publicizing the prizes paid out, I believe it's beneficial for the casino itself; it will attract more bettors, believing they can win too, perhaps even the superstitious ones...

Here in Brazil, when someone wins the lottery, the establishment where the bet was placed usually puts up a sign announcing the prize and its value. It's a marketing strategy that works.

But there are threads like this where people get banned or put under investigation after a significant win. The casino will make all kinds of excuses to justify their behavior in this situation.

I am not sure how to feel about this. Essentially what it is doing is saying to a person you're too smart or too skilled to be allowed to play. They are not using anything other than their body and mind to improve their odds. Which makes it a bit stupid to ban. What is next? IQ tests so only people with lower IQ are allowed to play?  ;D I think they could think up of some other ways to limit people who have consistent winning with these methods.

But it does happen. We may not understand why or find the reasons to be smart but it sure does happen as you can see in some posts here.

I haven't heard any stories about gamblers being chased out of casinos. And I doubt that there is really a case about this. Because if there are, then we won't hear about those whales legendary runs of winning millions in just one night not just in one casino but multiple ones.

So this might just a story that someone wanted to spread, as we all know that casinos have the house edge and that alone is hard to beat already day in day out and be consistent of winnings. In online though, we've heard stories but it's not about winning consistently, but casinos might see that they are cheating that's why they don't get them the payouts.

I don’t know if this is true. Gambling is setup in a way that gives the house an edge so if someone is winning consistently, either a lot of others are losing consistently, or the winning gambler is likely to have a run of bad luck. Sportsbooks will even make money regardless of the outcome, so I doubt they care if people win or lose.

I hope your friend doesn't join those crying out loud that the casino treated them unfairly when his account gets banned. You can bear testimony to the fact that he's cheating and exploiting the casino. He's smarting his way out now but definitely he'll be caught someday. This is in concurrency with the second example given by OP. the guy that's playing and winning regularly is definitely cheating as pointed out by others who understood gambling. There's no way he can be winning regularly in a casino games without having identified a loophole with which he's exploiting the casino.

I don't know much about this situation because I haven't experienced it myself or come across anything like it but I'm sure there are similar cases in other parts of the world. After all gambling is clearly a business for bookmakers so when someone manages to win consistently especially large amounts, it can disrupt their business.

However, not all bookies are like that in fact only a small minority may be. After all, gambling is a game of chance so when someone is consistently lucky it's a win for them and the site or casino can't do anything about it.
However, at some point, they might take certain actions, such as checking machines or investigating suspicious activities at landbased casinos because logically it’s highly unlikely for every gambler to consistently win especially in gambling.

However, a gambler who doesn't cheap or gamblers from a restricted region has absolutely nothing to fear while gambling on a reputable casino, which is why it's always good to do your own research to knowing which casino is reputable or not. While secondly, a casino's account don't get banned for no reason, as there are certain activities that may trigger it's robot into banning an account, and when a complaint is made, it is subjected to a manual review. Of which if you never committed any offense, you likely to get your account back.

Banning of account is something every gambler won't joke with, most especially if they had some funds in it, unlike the reverse if they had no money, they are likely not to care.

I've never see anything like this personally e I do not know anyone who was banned to winning too much because casinos are banned on my country. However, I've read and I heard story for people who have shared similar experiences.

In my opinion... casinos aren nott based on luck but rather on probabilities. So, i think they are know exactly how much profit are projected in the long run. That is why any player who tries to reversechange this margin, even if plaing in the rules, is seen as a risk to the business, and that is why they need to ban them.... and As any other business, nothing company is obligated to sell or provide services to anyone, so as long as there isnt discrimination, the casino is not doing anything wrong either, am I right?

And about the slot machine case, it is easy to explain: someone who wins a huge jackpot becomes free advertising, so they expose it publicly. But a player who wins consistently and within modest limits does not generate any profit, only expenses... that is why he is banned without much fanfare. Got it? The problem is not winning too much, the problem is winning all the time!

If cheating is proven, the casino will temporarily suspend the user and consider freezing their account. However, if no cheating is proven, the casino has no right to restrict the user, as gambling, which relies on skill, is a skill based activity, not just random luck, like playing slots, which favors the house.

However, it's undeniable that casinos have their own rules, preventing users from consistently winning, as this would disrupt their business, what should be profitable for bookies actually requires business owners to continue paying out their winnings.

What I know many casinos often limit the account instead of ban it, ban only happen when the gambler broke the terms.

I'm not a high roller or someone who make a lot of money from gambling, so this kind restriction had never experience to me.

Anyway I'm surprised to see people who're saying reputable casino won't do this, well if someone ever win big in reputable casino and not get any restriction, that means if you're not win big enough or regularly from the casino perspective.

this things sure does happen but it is not that common!! most casinos do not like consistent winners because it surely hurts their business model they normally allow small or occasional wins, but when someone keeps taking profits on a regular basis then restrictions or limits will surely follow but full bans are kind of rare unless they suspect cheating or exploiting some of the loopholes. i believe that is why experienced gamblers sometimes switch games or spread their play across different platforms to avoid drawing too much attention.

That's true, because in some types of gambling, the chances of winning can be increased with good analytical skills, such as sufficient knowledge. However, I don't think betting can always go smoothly, with wins and losses. Players who experience problems but still want to gamble at a particular casino can still create a new account. Many of my friends are like this, believing one casino offers easy wins, so they create more than one account. Even though they could switch, this belief is what keeps them stuck with one casino.

Naturally that's the relationship that exists, but not to say we shall not pay you like we have seen with some casino's!

The business model thrives on people losing money 💰, and if someone is milking them, then you aren't their best customer  ::) in the sense that you aren't donating to them but taking away from them... And technically if more winners are found on a casino then chances of it going down are high, so their interests must come first to protect the business.

Some gamblers really believe that their skills or analysis can make them consistently profitable and in some cases especially with sports betting good knowledge and data study can actually improve their chances but no matter how good someone is wins and losses will always come because luck still plays a major role casinos and betting sites know this and that’s why they often restrict or limit accounts that win too consistently it’s their way of protecting their profit margins. When players face restrictions some of them try to create new accounts to bypass the limits thinking they can keep winning under a different name or using a new wallet or email but this usually leads to more problems most licensed casinos have strict systems that track user behavior through IP address or KYC data so even if a gambler manages to make a new account it’s only a matter of time before it gets flagged too.

Casinos don't like consistent winners in their places so they can do many things for those winners. They can apply restrictions to consistent winners to stay out of their business. I don't know the case of gamblers chased out of or banned from the casinos but I think that is possible.

But that will not stop gamblers from visiting the casinos because they have a good experience. They want to get more wins so they will return to the casino but unfortunately, the casino will not let them play. Gamblers should understand that and not push themselves to use that casino. They can use other casinos to playing gambling and who knows, they can win at other casinos.

This is natural because casinos would go to extreme measures to remove anybody who continues to prove the overwhelming statistical advantage because casinos are based on mathematical concepts that put the house on top. A ban or limitation of players is a quite common defensive technique in the industry, particularly of players who are skilled enough to get around the loopholes of the game, or have an advantage that is above average and long term.

Longing to go back to the place where the gambler has had a winning experience cannot be filled with less love and the gambler must understand that their association with the casino is transactional. In an event that the same transaction is no longer palatable to either the party, the best rational solution would be to seek another place. Their sentiments should not blind their strategies to grab the winning chances in areas where they have not yet achieved their advantage.

That is true that's why this bill was born. New York bill would prevent sportsbooks from limiting successful bettors (https://igamingbusiness.com/sports-betting/new-york-fair-play-act-sportsbooks-limiting-ban/)

I hope this one gets passed into law, because it would really help successful bettors make a decent profit and protect their right not to be denied when placing big bets they’re confident about. But of course, that mostly applies to profitable bettors. It won’t really matter to us regular players, since most of us are on the losing side anyway.

True, most bookmakers prefer casual players since consistent winners hurt their margins. That’s why sharp bettors often face limits or delayed odds. The key is mixing betting sizes and markets to stay under the radar.

The casino will always remain profitable. It doesn't matter if a player wins constantly. They're in the absolute minority. Everyone else adds significantly to the balance, even more than the biggest wins. If this weren't the case, the casinos would have gone out of business long ago.

It's all about the number of players. Nowadays, it's more accurate to call it traffic. It's great when it's truly hot and targeted. This will bring even more profit to the establishment.

That's why I try to place bets with reliable bookmakers, which are represented on our forum. I'm sure that if I place a bet at local bookmakers (in my country), I'll be cheated. They'll never give back your winnings; it's easier for them to prove you're a fraud and used illegal methods to try to win. But at the same time, they'll happily accept more and more deposits from bettors and gamblers. We need to choose our casinos carefully.

In online casino the user will probably have his account blocked and/or funds seized. I heard about cases like that, even in most promoted casinos. It is enough to visit "Scams and accusations" and "Reputation" sections to read about cases like this. Casinos usually defend themselves by saying user somehow triggered their algorithm for detecting suspicious behaviour.

This tells you that gambling is designed to be a losing game. The only way you can win consistently is to cheat, the bookmakers have algorithms that detects these things. This is the reason why those bettors that use arbitrage betting systems are being spotted and banned. I've heard stories about bettors that made more profits more than loss without cheating and they were logged out of their account because of that

What you said is true, maybe even with those whose skills and knowledge can guarantee consistent profits on certain types of bets, but the casino will likely still limit it, because as you said with their profit margins and also the casino or bookie has control that I think is quite strong, which they might be able to change at any time, for example when they are going to lose big but they have prepared a backup plan to turn things around, yes because the bookie is the host, so they can or will do the best for their business, such as by tracking user behavior through IP addresses or KYC data as you said.

Not all bookmakers hate winners. As bookies, they just need to make sure they only take bets they can afford to pay. So if one sportsbook limits your action, there are always others out there willing to take your bet. Don’t force yourself to play on a site that doesn’t want your action, you always have the freedom to move or stop. If your strategy truly works, you can win anywhere, as long as the sportsbook is fair and their odds aren’t way below the standard.

The only way they won't Accept this is for very talented blackjack poker players But this isn't very possible right now Games are Designed so the house still wins. The closest option is to hold a poker tournament not controlled by casino machines It's the only option But casinos manage their house edge, and that's enough.

Bookmakers limit consistent winners because they see them as a risk to long-term profits. Sharp bettors exploit market inefficiencies faster than odds can adjust, so books act defensively. Smart bettors spread action across multiple sites or bet later when lines stabilize. Do you think limits are fair protection or just anti-player tactics?

You're correct the bookmakers don't like consistent winners that is why most times they usually fix the odd to fail gamblers, sometimes you will see the bookmakers giving a high odd to a certain club and when you make analysis you will discover that the team that has a higher odd is even more superior than the one with lesser odd and if you also look at thier wining probability you will see that they're always the favorite. then you will keep imagining why they have chosen to give them a higher odd when they're at advantage to win thier opponent, sometimes we say that the bookmakers made a mistake but for me I feel that they are doing it intentionally just to fail gamblers because they know that majority of the gamblers don't like making analysis before betting.

I'm not familiar with casinos, but I'm sure that if you're an occasional winner, even of large sums, they have every intention, if they're not scammers, to advertise the win to attract people
a sort of "free" advertising since someone, by law, has to win, if they are regulated the law establishes what percentage of winnings there is

How is it possible for a gambling platform to chase away someone for winning on a regular basis, why people gamble is with the intention for them to play and win, and when someone is loosing they will not be happy for loosing money as well, so if someone is winning on a regular basis I could say it’s consistency and they also have some luck with them.

I don’t even think it’s possible to stop someone from gambling because the person is winning consistently, different people are actually the one paying the money and not the once who will feel someone is having to win regularly and that now becomes a problem for them? Well that is impossible because we have an online casino and you can always play and cash out online.

It's fair enough that they ban cheaters, it's fair enough that they ban suspected fraudsters who tend to use casinos to launder money, although I've not been banned before or restricted by a casinos but I won't support that a casino ban or restrict people unfairly simply because they win consistently or win a huge amount of money that's very unfair and should be considered as cheating by the casino, it's very unfair that they'll want gamblers to always lose for their own gain then fault gamblers who win consistently.

The casinos at first don't ban users only because the user is winning consistently over months. There are many users who make good income from sports betting and casinos don't do anything against those users but definitely if such users are doing something which allows casinos to punish them then a casinos will do that. But, in most cases casinos don't care much if a user is genuinely winning.

I have not experienced it before or seen someone that has been in that hole before but on the forum, I have seen similar thread before, the author was talking about someone (a bettor) that his account got frozen by the bookie before he was winning so much, while another person that has similar experience, his account was not frozen but the bookie limited him of the amount that he can be able to stake with on a single bet. they didn't allow him stake so much large amount in a single bet.

Yes, definitely casinos do not like consistant winners. Because it means they are probably playing the system. And nobody consistantly wins in gambling except for cheaters.

So it really is not about too much but rather winning too unrealistically often. Would you want a card counter in your casino?

I personally have not had any experience. The online casino will be happy to accomodate any user, as long as they do not try to multi-account with VPNs, go against the ToS or play the system in other ways.

You seem to be confusing two terms: casino and bookmaker. Not every casino has a sportsbook attached to it and you'll never be able to gain a long term advantage over a casino because every game is calculated and engineered to their advantage
 Those odds are infallible, except for card counting in blackjack but that's not really possible online. Bookmakers will generally have a casino game section too, as they are quite easy to maintain compared to offering sports betting markets. A casino is unlikely to let a card counter even complete a single session, nevermind letting them play for a month with those sort of profits.

Most of the user experiencing this problem are those involved on arbitrage betting or choosing only value bets. That method is not cheating per se but casino doesn’t allowed that players bet has +EV on it because it’s a guaranteed lose for the casino.

This players knew the risk of account being freeze yet they are still willing to take that risk in exchange for the profit.

If you are playing in a regular betting form you will not encounter this inconvenience.

This is a long argument discussed many time with many many different cases.
This happens really frequent also in real life betting corners. If they identify a good gambler they have no interest to accept his bets.
They know they can achieve huge losses with few players thats why they ban immediately.
They can do it. They have all good reason to do this.
You can gamble in exchange markets that allow to bet against other gamblers.... of course there is a reason why some players prefer to win and pay up to 40% on their profit ::)
 

There always has been rumors of physical casinos banning people who always wins without any proof. Some being kicked out and some even followed and threatened. I cannot verify them individually but for most such cases, the excuse from physical casinos are card counting or some other forms of cheating. The act of card counting is itself hard to prove or disprove.
Such problems have carried out to online casinos as well, here to its more difficult to prove some cases if the fault is from the side of the user or the casinos. There are cheater in both users and casinos. There are once reputed casinos that turned out to be scam, starting with arbitrary use of terms for selective users and when found, going for an all out scam. While there always are many users trying to find and misuse the loopholes in casinos.
Personally I didn't faced such things. There were a few casinos that made me withdraw my balance as they didn't supported my region or I was not willing to fill the KYC.

Many years ago, I was kicked out of a brick-and-mortar casino several times. And all because I got too drunk on the alcoholic drinks sold there. It's embarrassing even now to think about it. It happens to everyone, right? They still let me deposit anyway, because I brought in enough money for the casino, losing my deposit time and time again. Damn, how could I have gotten to this point?

I think it’s possible, I personally have never encountered this, but I think if there are players who are able to win and withdraw their winnings, the casino may require verification or even limit the player’s bets or withdrawals until the situation is clarified. But if this happens in one casino, the player can start playing in another casino or in several casinos at the same time so that their bets and winnings are smaller and do not attract too much attention.

When the news of banning gamblers who consistently win is made public, the reputation of the casino will suffer, which could actually disrupt the business in the long term. Besides, how many gamblers can consistently win in the long run? Compared to the thousands of other customers who experience losses, I think the casino still makes a profit even while paying the gamblers who consistently win. Couldn't this also serve as a good promotion for their casino when there are gamblers who manage to consistently make a profit at their casino?

The bookmakers are constantly making sure they are always in profit that's the reason why the odd systems are programmed for bettors to lose. Let's start with bettors that cheat win illegally, the bookies have a of making sure that those accounts are being spotted, so it's impossible to use a forbidden system to be in profit. If you are the type of bettor that is always In profit at the long run it's different from winning consistently. It's possible to be in profit at the end of the month but incur some losses during that month, it's impossible to win constantly

The win doesn’t really matter to the bookmakers since the odds are already set in a way that favours them or the casino( if rented) ,so your winning shouldn’t be much of a concern to them..

There’s nothing wrong with large wins either, but if they happen often or are unusually high, it could draw the casino’s attention to run checks on your account, which might lead to advanced KYC requests and similar verifications.. That doesn’t mean the casino is purposely blocking payouts because of their huge winsunless it’s another non reputable one imho

I guess it's because you normally get drunk while gambling that's why they don't normally allow you to gamble most of the time. If it has to do with gamble, like losing too often, I'm not sure if they will continue pursuing you from the casino. But however, it's very true what the op have said about casino not allowing some high lucky gamblers gambling anymore. Casino always want to be in profits that's why they normally see high lucky gamblers as cheaters. But when a gambler loses too often they just advise the gambler for responsible gambling (to take a break) but they don't automatically forcr the gambler, but they forcefully lock a gamblers account if the gambler win often. Although they also celebrates the gamblers success to some point.

Well, there are several allegations been raised about so many casino and gambling websites including the reputable once for stopping withdrawals after massive win; but in most cases, the casino do come and defend themselves if they are legit, and they gain more reputation after defending themselves by explaining the reason for the ban which are mostly included in their terms and conditions and they will explain ways to follow to lift the ban if possible and the penalty isn’t to ban completely.

After several explanations, most of these casinos do have the right to banned the account because we are used to ignoring terms and conditions and it’s affecting us seriously especially after winning some money from casino.

They still let you deposit anyway because they need your money, but if your drunkenness was going to lead you to winning more than they expect, then they might never allow you to play again. The only reason, which I believe, could have caused why they drove you out is because you were no longer in control of yourselfafter taking too much of the alcoholic substance you bought there. As soon as you start inconveniencing others, security won't take it anymore.

True, there are obvious cases when gamblers are banned for too much winning, mostly when they win as a result of their skill rather than luck. Examples that is most common are professor blackjack card counters such like the MIT Blackjack Team, that was banned from multiple casinos despite they play legally. Certain successful bettors on sports have been restricted also or given limits by the online bookmakers for always beating the house.

Casinos usually do not mind the big one-time winners, they understand they are good publicity. Though if anyone appears to continuously threaten their long-term gain, they act fast. This isn't personal, but just protection of business.

Yes, of course, being drunk in a casino isn't the best idea, but I think some casinos definitely tried to convince a drunk player who won a large sum that they broke some rule or something else, just to avoid paying out their winnings. I don't have any concrete evidence, but casinos are interested in such things. I'm talking about casinos that don't value their reputation and aren't afraid of publicity and being shut down. Unfortunately, such casinos exist. Generally, the first thing a casino will think about regular winners is that they're cheating, although this may not be the case, and the player may simply be a super professional who simply observes the nuances and subtleties of the game.

For this very reason of untrusted casinos being able to carry out any form of action just to make sure they don't pay anyone who won something big out from them, being drunk in a casino is not encouraged, but if someone gets an honest winning, the best thing the casino could do is get the person paid at least because before that winning, they have lost a lot, and they did not notice anything wrong with such action, so it will also be unfair and unwise to start investigating immediately after the person wins something big.

Consistent win in betting is a myth because it's unachievable. It would be easily assumed by the bookmakers that any player that has such results is cheating either by using arbitrage or other forbidden betting systems that puts the user in profit at all times. Betting is designed for the bookies to be in profit, it takes someone that is disciplined and skilled to be able to minimize losses and be in profit at the long run

It's the the duty of the bookmarkers to serve customer right but at the same time, but at the same time it's their responsibility to make money, one of the ways is to lure customers with huge odd to an event that can't help them win money. If casino continues to loss money, they wouldn't be happy but if they are making money and few people are making and the majority is losing, they are going to be happy about it, that's every casino modus operandi.

I still think that despite bookmakers to want to see people lose, they have it in their mind to see people make it again. It is going to be a problem for them if they see lossers consistently. It's better they lose money to players at moderate and make them happy so they can come back than make everyone lose money and see them not comes back to casino. It's even possible that there is a way they regulate winning and losing games in casino to reduce damage between the players and the casino.

Well these services use many tricks to restrict the gain of the users. Let's go directly to a guy winning more than losing and passing $xk then they will start with freezing the money until he does KYC and we all know how it takes time and efforts to do it in some cases. Next they will ask for proof of the money sent to them. They can ban you at the meantime if you broke a rule or connected from a restricted country or maybe used VPN once... They will use whatever possible trick to got your money and ban you.

Well I witnessed one day the closure of a casino site when the moderators and owners were watching a big whale shifting the gain of a casino to negative. He was losing and winning, they weren't able to stop him and he destroyed the investment of everyone. I am pretty sure the closure was due to him because they weren't so decisive to freeze everything for a while and resume.

No matter how disciplined someone could be towards their bankroll they can't fight loses or stop losing money while gambling. In fact what someone could likely face more in gambling is lost, they would keep losing money in a regular basis since the casino has already programmed their system to favor them the most compared with the gamblers, that is why it's always recommended or advisable to gamble with what they can afford to lose while gambling and they should take gambling as the only means of entertainment and easing one's time.

No matter how often a gambler wins I don't think it will affect the casino at all, and like you said it's just a small fraction of what the casino makes. A lot of people are using the casino and almost everyone lose at least 50% of their games so that is a lot of money already.
I am not really sure about a ban on an account just because his winning is too frequent even though they want to get rid of the account I think they will have to wait for the slightest mistake so they can do whatever they want. It's unprofessional to ban an account for no reason at all and it's not good for the casinos reputation.

Blocking an account without a clear reason is certainly unreasonable, but I've experienced it before, even though I hadn't won a single game, so I figured it was something a casino might do to a player they deemed suspicious. I don't know why my account was blocked, but I didn't feel like I'd lost anything because there were no pending withdrawals.
For players who win consistently, I think it can attract the casino's attention. They'll likely be given more attention due to their frequent wins. They won't likely remain silent, as this could lead to losses for their gambling business, even if the losses are small.

It was a long time ago, before brick-and-mortar casinos were banned in my city. I remember a time when I was winning pretty big for almost a week. The employees started looking at me suspiciously. As if another scammer had arrived, ready to rob the casino again. But that wasn't true. Why did this happen? I still don't understand it myself. Perhaps I was lucky in choosing the slot machines that were set up to pay out. But then things turned into big losses. It's not surprising. Something had been tweaked in the slots, and they stopped paying out anything at all.

You are absolutely correct bud, winning consistently is an impossibility no matter how good and luck a gambler, one may want to say "what if he or she is always having consistent luck and as a result, Wins consistently?" well, luck being lucky consistently is also an impossibility because luck comes and goes, no one remains lucky forever, else, with how far gambling has come, we would have found someone or even more persons who have this consistent luck to win consistently from gambling..

What I believe every gambler is fighting for is to be in profit and not to have consistent winning, because even trading that is a skilled activity, traders still lose trade and money from time to time, how much more gambling where one has to rely on luck that is neither seen or felt to know when it's around and when it's not..
So, I believe what every gambler owe their self is to gamble responsibly and believe in their self that even if they are not winning game now and are probably in loss, they will win later, but we ought to already know that it's hard to be profitable from gambling even in the long term, only a few lucky person achieve this.

It'll seem unnatural to the bookmakers to see a gambler who is on a winning streak for a reasonably long time, they must suspect that the gambler must somehow be manipulating their system. But it is very normal for them to see gamblers who are on a long time losing streak, they will feel that the system is working very fine. This is why gamblers should be wise and understand that gambling is not meant to favor the majority, only a few at a time that are lucky to win. Gambling has been designed that the casinos will be ahead of the gamblers in terms of profit and you can't blame them because they're running a business.

Big wins are given in casinos and the casino tries to give them to the fair lucky gamblers. Because the casino knows that if the players win big, then there will be more gamblers and ultimately the casino will win. It may also be that if there are skilled players who always win, the casino will definitely be a little unhappy because the casino will lose through those gamblers. However, good casino gambling platforms do not think like that.

They can set a budget in advance where they will have some losses but overall they will win. Moreover, the amount of winning is usually small. The casino always wins from the house edge. The casino rarely wins from those who bet. Reputed casino platforms never get upset about big wins, but it is for the promotion of the casino.

OP, your thread title is mentioning bookmakers, but in your forum thread, you are writing about slot machines and blackjack.
Bookmakers are in the sports betting industry, not the traditional casino industry, even though there are gambling companies, that operate both casinos and sports betting platforms. Anyway, I have two questions:
1.Have you ever seen someone winning 100 million USD on slot machines?
2.Do you still believe that counting cards is a problem for the land based casinos? I personally believe that the casinos have found a way to fight back card counting players, but I don't know how.
Your example isn't clear. I jackpot winner is definitely not a "consistent winner". Are you suggesting that the card counter would be a consistent winner? I'm pretty sure that the casino employees would find out that he is counting cards and they will kick him out of the casino pretty fast.

By the way who has been winning consistently as a gambler? Is there anyone on here that have experience such luck in their gambling life? It is very hard to believe because normally online casinos are made in such a way that it benefits them more, gamblers are to lose more and casinos are to win more this is the game.

So if somehow anyone is winning consistently it will raise suspicions, they have the right to say something is not right and look into it and of nothing is happening then they can limit how much you can risk on their platforms from that time and on, like I said it is almost impossible to win on a casino all the time, I've never witnessed such happened before and I have never seen anyone as that lucky so I will say it doesn't exists.

But it is very normal that the casino always wins, otherwise it could close its doors and declare bankruptcy.
In any type of bet or game the dealer always has a profit to record, for us it is a game, a pastime, a test in search of fortune, for them it is business.
Constant winners doubt they exist, you can be lucky enough to get more wins in a short period, but it can't be a constant, the probability is very low.

I never was banned, but i often got bet limit. And it was about $1. So i made account with my wife data and it got the same bet limit after about ten wins. It wasn`t ten win in a row, i lost few bets, but result was profitable.
May be if i`d lost enough money right from the start the situation would be another, but i don`t want to test it.
PS. And you can`t do anything with it because it is in the ToS: casino can limit your bets without any explanation.

It is indeed a natural thing that casinos always win, in this context they are the main actors or hosts so they have arranged everything as well as possible to be able to make a profit so that the casino can grow. And yes, it is true that for them this is a profitable business, but for the majority of players this is a way to make money and only a small number really think that this is a means of entertainment, for those who think this is a way to make a profit tend to ignore that the host has a bigger chance of winning.
Consistent winners will likely be more confident in gambling, but it is important to know that being too confident in gambling does not always make us safe, everything must be within set limits.

Sometimes, it's much easier for an unscrupulous casino to simply try to prove to a gambler that they're breaking the rules than to give up their winnings. And sometimes this applies to small amounts of money. I've encountered casinos that, even for a paltry $90, were willing to ask for more and more verification documents just to avoid giving up their winnings. This seemed absurd. Either their support staff receives a bonus for every winning they don't pay out, or they're forced to do so, but the fact remains: they never paid me my winnings.

So I wrote reviews on every review site I could find.