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Title: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Dave1 on October 15, 2025, 08:00:35 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0)
Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: masulum on October 15, 2025, 08:12:19 AM I don't understand how the system works, but logically, near miss are the highest probability in a slot machine. This designed to be random, but because the system also implemented the probability, near miss maybe thi highest percentage, let say if free spins bonus has probability 1%, near miss can be 50% out of probability. I'm not sure if this is manipulative, but since slots are based on random and probability, with varying degrees of difficulty for each symbol, I'd say this is by design.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Charles-Tim on October 15, 2025, 08:12:44 AM It is not manipulation, games now can be independently verified by anyone that is interested. Reputable casinos can let you verify if a game is being manipulated or not.
Near miss is just random and not manipulation. Casinos games are built already in a way that the way the odds are set, gamblers whave highest chance to lose. So why should there be manipulation when the gamblers will let the gambling site make money. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Yaunfitda on October 15, 2025, 09:02:20 AM Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Casino's can't manipulate the result of a slot game, maybe the provider of the casino itself. But systems have been in place to check if the result is provably fair. Unlike in land base wherein you really don't know. And so with that, it's random, maybe the program should insert itself to check your bankroll and then give you near misses so that you will be affected psychology, but that was just my hunch and it's hard to proved. And logically, it's hard to think in the beginning of slot history, there are no near miss, it could have been really built in the system to make the game more fun and exciting and recently we might have just coin this term of near-miss or near hit but before gamblers just play how it was designed.Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Zlantann on October 15, 2025, 09:16:41 AM Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Except you have valid proof about the situation, our assumptions are just based on speculation. I have heard it several times that these casinos are manipulating the system to make people get hooked because of close wins. But none of them have backed these claims with substantial evidence. Casinos are business ventures established to make profit. Some business owners can go to extremes to make gains, so I cannot conclude that such things are not happening. It is not manipulation, games now can be independently verified by anyone that is interested. Reputable casinos can let you verify if a game is being manipulated or not. To be on the safe side, one should consider gambling at reputable casinos that have proven over the years to be fair and trustworthy. Since the reputation of these casinos is at stake, they might not indulge in such manipulations. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: swogerino on October 15, 2025, 09:43:28 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? In slot machines it is absolutely not random at all. I can give a lot of examples about this but I will give you a major one regarding a very old slot game of 2019, Swords and the Holy Grail from Play n Go provider. There is proven by many gamblers who claim the same but one can test for themselves and it is a whopping 33% near miss regarding the feature game, you will miss it a lot of times and most people will be motivated by such design to continue playing. I personally see this as a deal breaker so I don't like these type of games and their designs so far, I used to love them but boy I am not stupid, if the game messes with you with 33% near miss you better stop playing. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Taskford on October 15, 2025, 10:03:00 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Its psychological manipulation that can make gamblers think about they are closely hitting the jackpot. With this situation will urge gamblers to gamble for more since they might think about today is their lucky day. But we don't know if this is actual manipulation but it seems that there are casinos maybe doing it. I usually notice this thing happen on wheels especially if the casino give 1 daily free spin. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Inwestour on October 15, 2025, 10:08:57 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) I try never to judge any loss where I was just a little short of a big win as some kind of coincidence or special action from the casino or the team I bet on. I believe these are all random events that are very hard to predict, and it doesn’t really matter to me how my bet lost. Whether I was just a little short of a bigger win or a few teams in my parlay lost for me, it’s still a loss. That’s why I just keep playing and don’t worry too much about it, because losing is an inevitable part of gambling.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: ultraBTC on October 15, 2025, 10:10:59 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Great topic. There is a clear distinguish between natural "near misses", that will of course naturally happen over series of events - and manipulated "near misses". The first one is of course not in question, since it naturally happens. The problem is when the game deliberately replaces your "losing" event with the one that looks like a "near miss" - in other words, looks exciting. Basically, luring players into thinking they were close to that max win or jackpot, when in reality they weren't. Thus, it's misleading by the definition. Now, regarding the second one - it's called "secondary decision". Basically a process where, after a losing event, the machine pulls the RNG again - and chooses an "exciting one" to display. A precedent happened in Vegas, back in 1989. Bally Manufacturing was accused of using software that produced too many "near misses" on purpose. You can find the original article here: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-04-mn-2501-story.html After that, the Nevada Gaming Commission explicitly forbade any kind of secondary decision or manipulation of losing outcomes to appear as near wins. And it’s not only the case with Nevada - similar rules exist in the UKGC, Australia, and Ontario, for example. Oh, and one more thing. The frequency of real near misses depends on reel mapping. You can design a slot machine that naturally has more near-misses than another. For example, if the highest-paying symbol appears on a 5-reel machine as follows: Code: Reel 1: 1 jackpot symbol on 40 possible stops There is far more chance that the highest-paying symbol will hit on the 3rd, 4th, or 5th reel respectively than the first one. Since for example, that slot machine pay left-to-right, it can produce a so-called "natural near miss" effect - missing that symbol on the first reel for a max win or jackpot more often. So, in theory – and under some regulatory requirements – near misses on purpose are indeed forbidden. Though, as most online players have experienced, it’s still a wild, wild west in parts of this space. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Sim_card on October 15, 2025, 10:29:14 AM Near miss is random and not manipulation because we have reputable casinos who cannot manipulate the results of customer bets. If you have a near miss, it means that your luck waved away from you at that moment if not you wouldn't have a near miss. Don't forget that gambling is more of luck which makes near miss a norm in gambling.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Mrbluntzy on October 15, 2025, 10:30:54 AM Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? A reputable casinos don't have to manipulate the results, the outcome you are getting each time you role the dice is based on randomness. Mind you, the casino's house edge allows for the casinos to be winning more than the players does. The player is only moving in a circle with all the multiplayers set in place the casinos has already set the math of the game how it should go. If you play like 4 times, you could win only the last 4th round which will make you feel that the time to win has come ;D] but when you continue to play, you still lose on the 5th round and maybe win the 6th round. That's how it works, it's a manipulative way for the casinos to keep you playing and chasing after a win, but they don't manipulate the results unless the casinos are operated by scammers. Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Wiwo on October 15, 2025, 10:31:30 AM Same way thinking that early winnings are signs of your luck on a casino, that is sarcastic indeed, because for a probability sake abd verifiable games its elude such thoughts that casinos manipulate the games outcome.
But come to think of it again, house edge exist on some games, that shows the level of games control, but one thing for sure games like sports games is highly uncontrollable unless you play the virtual games not real sports games like betting on Premier leagues and champions leagues also. But the conclusion is that near miss or winning strides syndrome are all part of gambling and that is just your thoughts you need to control it to gamble amount you can afford to gamble with. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: dunfida on October 15, 2025, 10:32:03 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Its psychological manipulation that can make gamblers think about they are closely hitting the jackpot. With this situation will urge gamblers to gamble for more since they might think about today is their lucky day. But we don't know if this is actual manipulation but it seems that there are casinos maybe doing it. I usually notice this thing happen on wheels especially if the casino give 1 daily free spin. Casinos know how powerful that illusion of “almost winning” is it builds anticipation and hope even though statistically you’re no closer to hitting a jackpot than before for example on daily free spins you’ll often see two matching jackpot symbols land and the third one just stop short that’s deliberate design meant to keep you engaged and thinking maybe tomorrow will be the lucky day. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: mindrust on October 15, 2025, 10:40:35 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Could be both actually since we don’t know the code the casinos run in their backend servers, how could we know what they are really doing for sure? I don’t think well established casinos do that since they already print millions every day from their operations. They don’t need to cheat at all. Newly established casinos might do that though. I would be careful with that but still it is a small possibility. I think most near misses are random. People also tend to remember those moments way more often than their actual wins and losses so there is also that. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Porfirii on October 15, 2025, 10:55:09 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Could be both actually since we don’t know the code the casinos run in their backend servers, how could we know what they are really doing for sure? I don’t think well established casinos do that since they already print millions every day from their operations. They don’t need to cheat at all. Newly established casinos might do that though. I would be careful with that but still it is a small possibility. I think most near misses are random. People also tend to remember those moments way more often than their actual wins and losses so there is also that. That's what I also think: well established casinos have no need to do that, and the risk would outperform the benefit. In many countries (mine included) in addition, slots are regulated and those with a license must pass audits from time to time to ensure they comply with regulation. So, there is less chance of finding an increased number of near misses by design in big casinos and provably fair ones rather than in shady or brand new casinos, that are not accountable to anyone and can do whatever they want. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: aoluain on October 15, 2025, 11:00:29 AM Its my understanding that the games have random outcomes and machines are programmed
to only payout jackpots within X number of spins, its random but with a house edge. I would expect everyone to know this already and in that randomness there is going to be "close calls". Personally I treat every result as an independent event. Its very easy to think there is a pattern or that a jackpot is near - thats just psychological. I view a "close call" as not being close to a jackpot win and so I stick to my budget and 'strategy'. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Dunamisx on October 15, 2025, 11:09:08 AM Casinos are not after your winnings or losses, that is why they cant set up anything that could attracted to close to near misses or so, but we make decision base on how we have seen a game play being our favourite and how we already enjoyed playing without considering for wining or losing, that is why some gamblers don't mind losing, they will always play and continue in having fun, this was not being done because of the casino influence, but what they have decide for gambling.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: xenomorfo on October 15, 2025, 11:16:22 AM I don't understand how the system works, but logically, near miss are the highest probability in a slot machine. This designed to be random, but because the system also implemented the probability, near miss maybe thi highest percentage, let say if free spins bonus has probability 1%, near miss can be 50% out of probability. I'm not sure if this is manipulative, but since slots are based on random and probability, with varying degrees of difficulty for each symbol, I'd say this is by design. I believe that many casinos are certified with a system that represents a kind of proof that they are not cheating, without this not many will be happy to put money in a place where you do not know if they will scam you or not. Obviously the state is always a great absentee, using old and useless systems to help customers Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 15, 2025, 11:24:27 AM Its my understanding that the games have random outcomes and machines are programmed to only payout jackpots within X number of spins, its random but with a house edge. I would expect everyone to know this already and in that randomness there is going to be "close calls". And is what we call return to players, but I don't know if in Jackpot you need x number of spins, but you could be right now. Because we really don't know if a machine is a hot or cold but then randomly regardless of how small or big your stake is, suddenly will go down and you hit the jackpot. I have seen this once in a land base casinos, someone hit like $1.7 million. Personally I treat every result as an independent event. Its very easy to think there is a pattern or that a jackpot is near - thats just psychological. I view a "close call" as not being close to a jackpot win and so I stick to my budget and 'strategy'. Of course every spin is independent, but there will be times that you will get like 2 of that bonus scatter or even some wildcard to complete 3 and then the bonus features appear. But that is the problem, you feel that you are almost there with just 2 and missing that 1 and so you played again. There might not be a strategy for those who are chasing this jackpot. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: cryptoaddictchie on October 15, 2025, 11:27:39 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) I believed theres some sort of manipulations too. Yes near miss is quite tempting for gamblers ofcourse their tendency it to play more as they see some hope that next time it will happened soon. I cant blame some casino for that because we all kmow that this is also a business for them and needed some advantage over players. But ofcourse the process wouldnt be disclosed and will be subtle as possible. Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: DubemIfedigbo001 on October 15, 2025, 11:51:35 AM Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? This is a chain of thought that goes through a gambler's mind when he's losing more than winning. Personally I think casinos games are not always 100% random, the algorithm is configured in such a way that the casino always has the advantage. To secure a win, especially a huge win is a harder so that the casino stays in business. I think the casino is also operating with a budget for daily wins margin and references on that to control wins while the randomness plays out.Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: danherbias07 on October 15, 2025, 12:02:37 PM I think they have control over the free spins only. I don't know if it is just my imagination, but every time I win big amounts, I don't get free spins for a very long time. It will be so rare that you will get mad at it. It will feel like someone turned off the chances to get the free spins, and even if you roll for 1000 spins, nothing may come out.
It's understandable because they need profits, but going as far as controlling it and taking the RTP out, I think that's messed up. I only saw that happen to me in a local online casino, but never in offshore ones. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Strongkored on October 15, 2025, 01:02:31 PM Actually, that's possible, but only scam casino would do that.
A legitimate casino clearly wouldn't do such a thing because they know players can verify the games. Nowadays, players are smarter and won't let casinos cheat them. However, as players, we will definitely experience this, and when we do, there is a feeling of frustration because it is not easy to accept lost where near miss. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: khiholangkang on October 15, 2025, 01:12:11 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) This should not happen in a casino with a good reputation and proven fairness, there is no manipulation from the casino or game provider, but in low-end casinos that do not have a good reputation and or fraudulent casinos this can happen, they try to attract your emotional hope so that you spend more to try to "almost win" with scatter symbols or multipliers such as 500x, 250x or more which can motivate you to deposit more.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: stadus on October 15, 2025, 01:16:50 PM If it’s a game that can be created or designed, then of course the house edge will always be there, that’s something you’ll experience from time to time. Even in sports, where games are played on an actual court, near misses still happen. So what more in games like slots that are purely system-based? It’s bound to happen to us bettors.
In the end, it’s really our brain tricking us into thinking we’re close to winning, and that maybe the next spin or bet will finally be the one. That’s what keeps us going, that hope of hitting it big. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: qwertyup23 on October 15, 2025, 01:26:18 PM I recently discussed this in another topic regarding near misses on gambling casinos where they employ it purposely to trick its players.
The funny thing is, near misses are often employed in slots where you would see a series of combinations that could've hit the jackpot or a big multiplier. The normal reaction of the person would be to feel regretful, thus, they would try their luck once again just to see if they could hit the jackpot. The question is: are these really purposely designed by the online casino or is it because of sheer luck? The answer is: it depends on the casino. If you gamble on a reputable casino, chances are that these near-misses are purely coincidental. On the other hand, if you are gambling on a relatively new gambling website with little-to-no reviews at all, then it could probably be a deceitful design to trick the players. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 15, 2025, 01:32:26 PM If you are not new in playing casinos games, I think you should be familiar with the mechanisms of all casinos games, winning is by luck because the chance is random. If you think that this is manipulation, are there any casino that doesn't have such pattern where losses are more than number of wins? I have said it before that sometimes while playing casinos games, I usually have that doubt too if they rigged the game or not because of the losses and how the patterns is.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: peter0425 on October 15, 2025, 01:39:20 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) The algorithm is random and not controlled by the casino however the near miss is just a psychological phenomenon. There is something in our brain that tells us that near misses means that the next one is the jackpot because we are getting close but again the algorithm is random so there is no point in thinking you are getting far or getting near winning. Each spin is independent and is not affected by the previous spins.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: AbuBhakar on October 15, 2025, 01:46:16 PM Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Definitely, I play a lot of slot games and it’s pretty obvious that it was designed to make players aim to play more on this near missed bets using the slow motion or the flaming reels effect whenever you are 1 scatter away to enter the bonus round. This feeling of near missed bets cause an anxiety that’s why I rarely play slot games on manual spin and just do a bonus buy a lot so that I will not look forward anymore on completing the required scatter just to enter the bonus round. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: bubilas on October 15, 2025, 02:16:32 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? I think it's always random. Casinos don't manipulate randomness, but gamblers only think they do. The thing is, our human mind loves to find patterns where there aren't any. This applies to conspiracy theories, alien myths, and the like. Even any simple sequence of random results can add up to a series of 100 identical results, but that's also part of probability theory. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Justbillywitt on October 15, 2025, 02:19:07 PM Near miss can happen at anytime it's part of the outcome of casino games. Gamblers should stop believing that casinos are manipulating the games when they have these experiences. We have heard stories of gamblers winning big and some of us has won big at so points in our years of gambling, does that mean that the casinos also manipulated those wins? Let's learn to take the outcomes of our games and play responsibly.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Agbamoni on October 15, 2025, 02:41:29 PM I go with what swogerino said earlier.
Sports games can be random, but roulettes and slot games are not random near misses. In physicals casino the slot machine has been tampered, even there is no solid evidence to prove that, the idea alone that the casino have up to a 100% house edge should tell you how rigged the games are. If there is any chance of winning it is a 1% chance. The same thing happens in an online casino. The slot games algorithm can be tampered by the developers to return certain percent back to the house. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Nahl on October 15, 2025, 03:19:41 PM I do not understand how online casino system works but i believe reputable casinos won't be manipulate the system to makes the players near to miss because i am sure they don't want to ruin their reputation which builded for years and if you were playing at the popular casinos and experience the thing like this i think it's purely random and probably cannot be repeated although we were attempts to deposit more but might be different when you playing at scam casinos because the casinos like this will be designed to make the people always lost their money and the concept for near miss i think it's only to fishing to make people curious
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Fiatless on October 15, 2025, 03:28:37 PM I think it's always random. Casinos don't manipulate randomness, but gamblers only think they do. The thing is, our human mind loves to find patterns where there aren't any. This applies to conspiracy theories, alien myths, and the like. Even any simple sequence of random results can add up to a series of 100 identical results, but that's also part of probability theory. Some of the games that casinos offer are from third-party providers. Which means the casinos cannot be held responsible for the outcomes of these games. These conspiracy theories are developed and spread by people who have lost and want to blame casinos for their failures. I doubt these speculations would be believed or spread by those who win regularly. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: promise444c5 on October 15, 2025, 04:47:49 PM That’ how it’s being designed, could be some sort of algorithm being followed.. Casino always have more chance of profiting than the gamblers but still depends on the casino games you play though, they should all be backed with different algos but that should come from the providers not sure if the casino can make some configbut most should be strictly from provider, casino only host..unless it’s a casino own game, which means they can decide how they run their things anytime they want..
Non casino games like sports betting aren’t attached btw.. :) Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Slow death on October 15, 2025, 06:22:37 PM Casinos make provably fair games. Slot machines in physical casinos are constantly inspected by gambling regulators. Every government has its own regulatory body, so I highly doubt that reputable casinos would manipulate games. It's true that every casino uses various marketing strategies to attract customers.
They might see someone almost win big, but since they're not depositing to continue playing, the casino can offer them a bonus to keep playing. This way, when they lose their entire bonus, they'll be motivated to get money to deposit at the casino and continue playing. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: rachael9385 on October 15, 2025, 06:42:22 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? The casino or sportsbook are not in control of your picks, every selection you make is your decision so I wouldnt call it a control design it's just random. But there's a mind game in it, getting so close to winning makes the bettors or gamblers think of making more attempts. One might ask if its the bookies that are responsible for such mind games, that's not really the case, it's just the gamblers need to win and desperation that kicks in Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: acroman08 on October 15, 2025, 06:43:32 PM Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? it could be totally random or it could be totally not. anyway, unless game providers and casinos want to lose their license, get fined, sued to oblivion, possible prison time, I don't think they'll risk their business, reputation and their freedom just to deliberately make a tampered game. near miss do happen, but you have to realise how many spins/bets you have made before experience a near miss. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: joniboini on October 15, 2025, 06:52:56 PM I feel like there are better ways to entice users to keep playing their game for the long term, other than controlling near-misses like this, unless of course, they rigged every game to make sure nobody wins the jackpot. But you can only go so far before someone starts collecting data and tries to figure out the randomness of every game. If your customer knows you're playing dirty without giving them any enticing offer, I don't think the platform will last long. Things might be different with a jackpot with high winning requirements, a lottery, etc. Even if customers know the chance to win is low, they somewhat accept that. CMIIW.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: mcdouglasx on October 15, 2025, 06:53:03 PM I like to think these events are random chances, because I don't think a reputable casino would manipulate its games to that extent. It would be cheating, so they would probably have legal problems if discovered. If I witnessed such an event, I would logically stop playing. Just as it's unlikely you'll win the jackpot, it's much less likely that during a gaming session you'll be "very close" to the jackpot and then win.
Although I think this is an illusion (depending on the game), since if, for example, the main game in a hypothetical game where you draw three times the same color and you draw two and one different, the probabilities aren't necessarily close, but rather exponentially far apart. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Mia Chloe on October 15, 2025, 07:03:08 PM Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Well is it possible that the actually control the happenings of near misses? Actually I'll say yeah it's possible but also another question is are we sure? Well to this I'll say NO. We perceive this based on how frequently it happens and the idea of having more losses than wins a majority of the time. Then again on the side of the casinos they all claim a provably fair system which suggests they aren't cheating.The truth is if you bet based on how frequently you get near miss bets there's a high chance you'll want to risk more and in the end lose even more. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Richbased on October 15, 2025, 07:29:43 PM Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? That is just it, casinos employ the strategy of near misses in order to manipulate the mindset of gamblers to think that they would win after multiple attempts. This is the more reason why i always prefer betting on sports events to casino games because sports events are not manipulated even though there are cases of match fixing and other irregularities during a match but such cases are very rare while in casino games, since they are programmed by the casino owners, they try as much as possible to rip off gamblers through the technology of near misses thereby making them feel that the casino games are automatically programmed but in reality they are being manipulated manually. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Findingnemo on October 15, 2025, 07:34:44 PM This is 3rd one created about near miss in the last 2 days here. ;D
It is not how the game is designed, unless you see game like Plinko where you most likely will end up in the middle where the rewards are less but at the ends the chances are rare while the rewards are high. We should consider something as rigged only when they can alter if they don't want the ball to end up in the middle but at the sides. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: serjent05 on October 15, 2025, 07:47:48 PM Quote Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? I think that slots developer designed these near miss outcomes and put it together on the RNG program of the slot, where they will be triggered randomly. I do not think reputable casinos will do this kind of dirty works, modifying or rigging the machine for their own benefits. Quote Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? I do not think a reputable casino will do that thing; besides, casinos have regular audits from the regulators. Maybe those who are illegal casinos are doing such stuff, but as far as I know that near miss outcome is one of the mathematical formulas injected to the RNG of the slot machine Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Rockson1 on October 15, 2025, 08:31:55 PM The casino or sportsbook are not in control of your picks, every selection you make is your decision so I wouldnt call it a control design it's just random. But there's a mind game in it, getting so close to winning makes the bettors or gamblers think of making more attempts. One might ask if its the bookies that are responsible for such mind games, that's not really the case, it's just the gamblers need to win and desperation that kicks in Good point dude, I don't know what bettors think sometimes, everything we do as it has to do with the decision we make during our gambling session, it is on us not of the casino, there's nothing like random control, if you are such a bettor that knyow this tricks in gambling, I think you won't fall for them, those near miss gives false hope and when they occur a gambler should know that, it is time to make quick safe decision to help himself, there are things for should not blame bookies for, infact gamblers should start accepting blames for somethigs not trying to divert it to bookies, casinos are business and even if they do things to lure gamblers as long as it is not fraudulent shit, i won't blame them because every business is actually for profit.Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: ashmodeus on October 15, 2025, 09:03:07 PM This issue has been debated for some time. Some argue that near miss are a form of industry manipulation to keep players engaged, but most agree that, as we know slot game spins are completely random, relying on the RNG system. Personally I don't believe casinos can directly manipulate or control the game. Perhaps the closest answer to this is that game design subtly shapes our perception of randomness.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: ovcijisir on October 15, 2025, 09:19:03 PM I think that there is some sort of algorithm in place, because I noticed that sometimes while playing slots (I don't play slits often) - when I play slots normally allowing slot to stop by itself for 10-20 rounds and then start playing by stopping the slits manually I start winning more for some time. I don't know if it is just a coincidence but it's just something I noticed. It could be some sort of algorithm that keeps you engaged when it detects change in playing style but it's hard for me to say thst without solid proof.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Bright0515 on October 15, 2025, 09:23:16 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) I have chased near miss before but at last I wasn't lucky to win. Experiencing a near miss doesn't mean that you will be lucky on the next round. Many gamblers really think that they can win the next round after a near miss. Near miss is like a trap which gamblers don't know. For sport games it's very difficult to win after seeing a near miss. Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Fortify on October 15, 2025, 09:34:14 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Casinos are a business, they offer games that people can play in exchange for money. Any good business would be looking at any and all methods that can be used to get players spending even more money on those games. A trait that people have in general is falling into tunnel vision and forgetting that you either win or lose each time you play. Anything else is merely an illusion, but that framing that illusion well can have a strong psychological impact if you are not hyper aware of the situation. The idea that you "almost won" can get a player who is close to quitting, or has just lost five times in a row, to continue playing because it triggers a lot of the same emotions as winning. There are a lot of things handled in our subconscious that we might not be fully aware about, so you have to be alert to the tricks that might be played on you, in the name of emptying your wallet. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Jaycoinz on October 15, 2025, 09:40:37 PM Near misses triggers some gamblers to gamble irresponsibly, it's not really control design, the casino downs force the players to keep on gambling after they incur losses or have a near miss, it's the choice of the gambler to keep on gambling, so in that case it's random. Gamblers tend to get frustrated and start chasing what they almost won when they had a near miss. Gamblers that lack self control do this
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Cryptomultiplier on October 15, 2025, 09:44:47 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) I have chased near miss before but at last I wasn't lucky to win. Experiencing a near miss doesn't mean that you will be lucky on the next round. Many gamblers really think that they can win the next round after a near miss. Near miss is like a trap which gamblers don't know. For sport games it's very difficult to win after seeing a near miss. Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? I think some near-misses occur by pure chance, because one slot machine from the other varies, mostly as we consider modern slot machine designs that is built based on specifications to exploit gamblers mental and psychological state Only a gambler with self control and with a mind chasing a purpose, can be shielded from the nemesis of near misses. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: DaNNy001 on October 15, 2025, 11:43:19 PM Near misses don't really mean much , it's not that deep the way some gamblers make it seem. Gambling is all about winning or losing, I don't even categorize anything as a near miss, it's either I win or lose, it is that simple...Thinking about it this ways makes it easier for you to process and move on from the feeling, it's better than pondering over how close you were to winning. To me it's just random and has nothing to do with control design
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: alegotardo on October 16, 2025, 12:31:14 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? If we consider regulated casinos, technically the results should be completely random, but the visual and audio design is always designed to transform this randomness into excitement... It is intentional to show a "near win" moments before the final result on a slot machine, for example... those seconds leading up to the final result can even be manipulated to create excitement, but the final result should always be random. So... you are somewhat right in saying that casinos "play with our brains" to make us try to play a little longer, but an honest and regulated casino should never manipulate our results during bets. Those who gamble frequently notice these patterns and already know how to deal with them. The problem lies with those who are just starting out in gambling and, out of ignorance, allow themselves to be manipulated. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: laijsica on October 16, 2025, 01:12:43 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Casinos often encourage skill but many gamblers fail to win even when they come close to winning. For gamblers, this only increases the level of attraction and makes them greedy to play more. This is also a stage of entertainment where gamblers try hard to win and finally lose after getting close to winning.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? You will not lose every round. Sometimes you may win but it is very limited compared to the losses. Recovering money or being motivated to win is what makes gamblers addicted and makes gambling attractive. The probability of winning the jackpot is not dependent on experience. I think Increasing the amount of play in the hope of winning the jackpot and the habit of playing randomly can lead to more losses. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: maydna on October 16, 2025, 03:08:19 AM We don't know whether casinos are manipulating the results or whether they are fair to their players. But if you are a near miss, that means you lose and do not win. Gambling has two options, which are to win or lose. So if you just almost win, you still lose and no matter if you deposit more money, that doesn't mean you have a chance to win.
You should understand that gambling is a place to have fun. You should realize that winning in gambling is difficult and only the lucky guy can win. It is better to enjoy the experience of playing gambling than chasing the win because you will still difficult to chase it. You can leave casinos if they are still tempting you with their promo because that is their way to attempt to keep you longer in their place. If you can control yourself, you will not continue playing gambling but quitting gambling will be better for you. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: mak013 on October 16, 2025, 07:09:19 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) As for me, when we in the game, we see what we want to see and not always it is truth. The same time, after losing, we try to find some reason why we didn`t stop and try to find somebody else, who have to answer for such mistake. Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? So the answer is that casino don`t need to control your wins or loses, but it is possible that due to random, situation can looks like casino manipulation, or our brain can think so. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Yaunfitda on October 16, 2025, 08:20:26 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) As for me, when we in the game, we see what we want to see and not always it is truth. The same time, after losing, we try to find some reason why we didn`t stop and try to find somebody else, who have to answer for such mistake. Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? So the answer is that casino don`t need to control your wins or loses, but it is possible that due to random, situation can looks like casino manipulation, or our brain can think so. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 16, 2025, 09:31:18 AM Near miss can happen at anytime it's part of the outcome of casino games. Gamblers should stop believing that casinos are manipulating the games when they have these experiences. We have heard stories of gamblers winning big and some of us has won big at so points in our years of gambling, does that mean that the casinos also manipulated those wins? Let's learn to take the outcomes of our games and play responsibly. Exactly, if a gambler is feeling like that, they can change to a different reputable casino and still try the same game to confirm that the chance of winning is the same, there is always near misses and gamblers can not do anything about it, like you said, even with the near misses some gamblers are still lucky to win huge amount. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Zigabel on October 16, 2025, 10:06:39 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Somehow i do think of buying into the idea that the casinos could be behind the brain that engineers the near miss that often happens on the casino sometimes as a way to get their customers hooked and trying to coming back again and that is because they make money off such but again to thing if it, these games are been ran on algorithms which automatically regenerates these chances but it can actually be possible that even these algorithms could be manipulated in the favor of the casino but there is mostly a room for fair play some times to the best of my knowledge.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Due to the chance of fair play, i cab believe that sometimes it could be random but some other times the casino could allow it take everyone in in a particular round and they allow the rest of the rounds stay random so they can still stay afloat running the business and the games. conclusively it may actually be a mixture of both random and a tilt in the favor of the casino. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: bubilas on October 16, 2025, 12:02:24 PM Near misses don't really mean much , it's not that deep the way some gamblers make it seem. Gambling is all about winning or losing, I don't even categorize anything as a near miss, it's either I win or lose, it is that simple...Thinking about it this ways makes it easier for you to process and move on from the feeling, it's better than pondering over how close you were to winning. To me it's just random and has nothing to do with control design I completely agree. Because if you look at this topic from the perspective of betting, for example, bettors often lose because they bet on, say, a 3:2 score, but the teams ended up 4:2, and they think they were close to winning. But in reality, there are only two outcomes: either you win or you lose, and that's it, everything else doesn't count. And you shouldn't regret it; it's better to analyze the matches next time. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Oluwa-btc on October 16, 2025, 07:36:26 PM It's no doubt casinos are been designed like that,that shows every time there's a near miss encounter, it's not a mistake.Already, casinos are designed in such a way to get players hooked in and get more near miss, because it's part of the gambling experience.It all depends on you to play smartly to avoid near misses damages or you play until you get trapped in course of near misses.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Floxynice on October 16, 2025, 07:58:17 PM When we say the casino always wins, I think this is one of the things they put in place to make sure that gamblers always come back gambling to actually win. I believe that the game developers intentionally put similar numbers or symbols together so when the gamblers play any of the numbers and lose, the "near miss" thought is registered in their minds. Many gamblers will keep playing over and over again just to make sure they win. This is the casinos using psychology on the gamblers and it always works. This is where self control and discipline becomes very important.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Cantsay on October 16, 2025, 08:33:26 PM Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? With the number of times those near miss results do appear on games I’m beginning to believe that it’s not just a coincidence, I think the system was built that way so that the casino can play a little on the psychology of the bettor and get them to stay. If it was just a random occurrence then the casino wouldn’t know how frequent something like that is going to show up and the number might not be enough to get people to stay, all those are part of the reason why I feel it’s a planned work and not just a random pop up. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on October 16, 2025, 08:40:14 PM If we have accepted gambling to be what is it, maybe a number of us wouldn't be so much concerned about all this near misses or not, because in gambling, it's either you get it right or lose it, having a near misses expectations or result will only pile up our desperation for winning and thisay lead to addiction when we could not even achieve having a recovery from what has been lost.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: EluguHcman on October 16, 2025, 08:49:07 PM Near miss can happen at anytime it's part of the outcome of casino games. Gamblers should stop believing that casinos are manipulating the games when they have these experiences. We have heard stories of gamblers winning big and some of us has won big at so points in our years of gambling, does that mean that the casinos also manipulated those wins? Let's learn to take the outcomes of our games and play responsibly. Exactly, if a gambler is feeling like that, they can change to a different reputable casino and still try the same game to confirm that the chance of winning is the same, there is always near misses and gamblers can not do anything about it, like you said, even with the near misses some gamblers are still lucky to win huge amount. This relatively happens in the land base Casinos where after bettors looses aggressively, they would look out to who to unleash their disheartening state of emotions on. Some will accuse their friends being responsible for their lost with the excuses that they have not been able to focus and make logical calculations before making decisions. So I will also agree with you @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange that such players can always go for other casinos if they think the one they are playing on is better. If the same that you have to rely your winning on luck, then the RNG has never been unfair. Only that your luck of winning has been far to come. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Hispo on October 16, 2025, 09:45:14 PM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? I believe it is truly random, but casino games (specially slots) are designed to highlight and make near misses to feel more exciting and thrill inducing than some normal spins. I have myself encountered slots which had special animations when one managed to almost score a good combo, but ended up getting nothing. It is part of the psychology being gambling, they do such a thing with their unique animations to incite people to continue playing, but I would not go as far as claiming the game itself is rigged in favor of the casino so gamblers get near misses. It is random, and one would not need to trust providers or casinos if those games were probably fair. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: coin-investor on October 16, 2025, 11:04:43 PM Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? That’s bad thinking, hoping that if you bet more, you can win the jackpot, that’s a sure route to lose a lot of money that you will regret later. Casinos do not have to design it that way because they already have the house edge, giving them a better chance of beating the player. It happens in many luck-based games. If you are not satisfied, you can always verify. The casino cannot give you hope that you will win; luck is random, and it can happen at any time, so treat every roll that way. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: rachael9385 on October 16, 2025, 11:39:52 PM Casinos are not after your winnings or losses, that is why they cant set up anything that could attracted to close to near misses or so, but we make decision base on how we have seen a game play being our favourite and how we already enjoyed playing without considering for wining or losing, that is why some gamblers don't mind losing, they will always play and continue in having fun, this was not being done because of the casino influence, but what they have decide for gambling. The casino always have the upper hand but this doesnt mean that they manipulate the odds, the gamblers just have to decide on the option to pick. I don't know why some gamblers think that they are being cheated whenever they lose or the casino is after a specific category of people to lose. As a beginner I had this thought but as I started getting mature i changed my mentality about it Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Shinpako09 on October 16, 2025, 11:57:37 PM Nah, they didn’t design it that way, nor is it manipulated. For example, you bet small and win, then bet big and lose, does that mean the casino is doing it on purpose? Nah, definitely not. Let’s reverse it, you bet big and win, then bet small and lose, is the casino doing it on purpose? Definitely not. Will the casino think you’re cheating? Nope. There’s no need for them to manipulate or tamper with their games. Why? Because in the long run, the advantage will always be on their side.
Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: tread93 on October 17, 2025, 01:06:03 AM I don't understand how the system works, but logically, near miss are the highest probability in a slot machine. This designed to be random, but because the system also implemented the probability, near miss maybe thi highest percentage, let say if free spins bonus has probability 1%, near miss can be 50% out of probability. I'm not sure if this is manipulative, but since slots are based on random and probability, with varying degrees of difficulty for each symbol, I'd say this is by design. Everything made for casinos and the gambling biz is by design. They also would prefer to have a higher margin of profit of course. I would be interested to learn all the secrets of these big physical casinos. I wonder what goes on, there has to be some crazy stuff happening on the other side of those doors on the inside Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: yahoo62278 on October 17, 2025, 01:31:04 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) If the casinos were ever caught manipulating the results to bait a player into chasing, it would spell the end of that casino IMO. There's no reason for it as the house "always" wins. It may not be right away they're up but eventually it ends up that way.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: imthegreat on October 17, 2025, 06:06:09 AM If we have accepted gambling to be what is it, maybe a number of us wouldn't be so much concerned about all this near misses or not, because in gambling, it's either you get it right or lose it, having a near misses expectations or result will only pile up our desperation for winning and thisay lead to addiction when we could not even achieve having a recovery from what has been lost. This is exactly what I don't like about gambling: you can do everything absolutely right and still end up not winning. It's incredibly frustrating. The same goes for betting. You can spend hours analyzing a single bet, but ultimately it will end in a loss, even though you've spent a lot of time analyzing the teams, their previous matches, and the players' performance. It's incredibly frustrating, and when I experience such losses, I want to quit betting adm gambling altogether. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: mak013 on October 17, 2025, 10:28:31 AM As for me, when we in the game, we see what we want to see and not always it is truth. The same time, after losing, we try to find some reason why we didn`t stop and try to find somebody else, who have to answer for such mistake. But if they can manipulate you to play more by having this near misses, then you might fall for it. That's why it's very dangerous to really see this and as what we think, it could be manipulation or just random. But it hard to see that it's random when you are losing already and you feel that casinos wanted you to play even higher bets to hit that bonus. So it's really up to us on how to interpret them and again, we should be in control of everything. Just let go of that near misses and that maybe that is also a sign that one should stop and not chase your losses anymore.So the answer is that casino don`t need to control your wins or loses, but it is possible that due to random, situation can looks like casino manipulation, or our brain can think so. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: MRY on October 17, 2025, 11:00:46 AM If we have accepted gambling to be what is it, maybe a number of us wouldn't be so much concerned about all this near misses or not, because in gambling, it's either you get it right or lose it, having a near misses expectations or result will only pile up our desperation for winning and thisay lead to addiction when we could not even achieve having a recovery from what has been lost. This is exactly what I don't like about gambling: you can do everything absolutely right and still end up not winning. It's incredibly frustrating. The same goes for betting. You can spend hours analyzing a single bet, but ultimately it will end in a loss, even though you've spent a lot of time analyzing the teams, their previous matches, and the players' performance. It's incredibly frustrating, and when I experience such losses, I want to quit betting adm gambling altogether. The psychological response to quit a betting activity when one loses is also a rational defence mechanism against the realisation of the fact that rationality has no guarantee of outcome. This grim truth must highlight the need to perceive what betting is as the price of fun, and the habit of decreasing the amount gambled on is the only sure method of insuring oneself against losing a lot of money, which is much more profitable than prophecy. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: lionheart78 on October 17, 2025, 11:16:49 AM Nah, they didn’t design it that way, nor is it manipulated. For example, you bet small and win, then bet big and lose, does that mean the casino is doing it on purpose? Nah, definitely not. Let’s reverse it, you bet big and win, then bet small and lose, is the casino doing it on purpose? Definitely not. Will the casino think you’re cheating? Nope. There’s no need for them to manipulate or tamper with their games. Why? Because in the long run, the advantage will always be on their side. Indeed it was not the casino that designed it but the game provider. By putting this near miss in the RNG is what makes slots interesting for many people. And I read that this kind of script is not illegal since it is mixed with different script and appears in random although this kind of script has higher chance of appearing than the hit script. I read that The Nevada gaming commission wrote regulations requiring electronic slots to display the result determined by the RNG with no secondary decision or other alteration whatsoever. So this near misses event is not outlawed but the one that was outlawed was "secondary decision" where the slots after determining that the spin is a loss give a secondary decision of making the tile looks a near hit jackpot aiming to make people think that they almost hit a jackpot. A slot machine is prohibited from automatically altering any function of the slot machine based on internal computation of the hold percentage. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Japinat on October 17, 2025, 12:58:05 PM It is not casinos` manipulation. It is just our own brain manipulate us. We always want to move responsibility for our mistakes to someone else, that`s why we want to believe that casino is guilty in our problems. If stop such idea and understand that it is our own fault - we would increase chance to avoid such situation. Talking about manipulation, that’s basically cheating.Let’s just say it’s part of the system or how the game is designed, so we just have to play along. But it’s true, sometimes it’s all in our head, we convince ourselves that the game is rigged, and in the end, we still lose. But guess what, even while complaining deep inside, we still keep playing. So what do we even call ourselves at that point? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: mak013 on October 18, 2025, 06:00:00 AM It is not casinos` manipulation. It is just our own brain manipulate us. We always want to move responsibility for our mistakes to someone else, that`s why we want to believe that casino is guilty in our problems. If stop such idea and understand that it is our own fault - we would increase chance to avoid such situation. Talking about manipulation, that’s basically cheating.Let’s just say it’s part of the system or how the game is designed, so we just have to play along. But it’s true, sometimes it’s all in our head, we convince ourselves that the game is rigged, and in the end, we still lose. But guess what, even while complaining deep inside, we still keep playing. So what do we even call ourselves at that point? We don`t talk about casino manipulation during win streak - we remember about it just when we lose. It would be better to remember that we can get both win streak or lose streak and be more careful with our bets. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Outhue on October 18, 2025, 08:10:38 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? All you have to accept is that casino games are made to make the casinos win more than gamblers, gamblers will always lose more than the casino, the provable fair of those games are just saying that gamblers will surely get lucky and it won't always be the casino winning, which I agreed but that luck can take a long time at times. If you accept this then you will be able to come up with your own strategy without risking too much and getting burnt before your luck finds you, this whole game is like saying how many times can you keep up losing before the winning day comes and imagine that you have already risk too much before the lucky day comes, also imagine that your lucky day doesn't cover all the past loses? This would mess with your head faster, the best way to be a good gambler is avoid chasing anything, understand fully well what you are getting into. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Joeboy on October 18, 2025, 08:34:18 AM I don't understand how the system works, but logically, near miss are the highest probability in a slot machine. This designed to be random, but because the system also implemented the probability, near miss maybe thi highest percentage, let say if free spins bonus has probability 1%, near miss can be 50% out of probability. I'm not sure if this is manipulative, but since slots are based on random and probability, with varying degrees of difficulty for each symbol, I'd say this is by design. Everything made for casinos and the gambling biz is by design. They also would prefer to have a higher margin of profit of course. I would be interested to learn all the secrets of these big physical casinos. I wonder what goes on, there has to be some crazy stuff happening on the other side of those doors on the inside But then with lincensed casinos everything is by design, evven players having near miss, is also by design. It was built that way by the developers to keep the players brain hooked go the game and continue playing. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Gaza13 on October 18, 2025, 08:58:29 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) I once saw a video of a former employee revealing how the gambling worked. They even demonstrated in the video how each player or gambler could achieve huge multipliers, all under their control. In reality, the casino knows exactly how to keep gamblers playing longer and more comfortably, constantly replenishing their bankrolls. This is where gamblers sometimes lose track of their actions and fail to properly manage their budgets.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Woodie on October 18, 2025, 09:08:02 AM Now that you have explained it this way, I want to believe believe this isn't a random thing.. people have studied psychology just for this and infused this into the gambling algorithms which influence players to keep spinning which can either work in favour of the player or the house gets to win and make bank!!
I guess it's a trap to influence players to keep those spins going ::) not cool when balance is low. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: yhiaali3 on October 18, 2025, 09:08:46 AM Yes, there's a possibility that casinos may be manipulating the results at some point to give gamblers some hope that they can win the jackpot if they deposit more. But there is no evidence for this, and it's difficult to prove. It's simply an assumption with no real evidence.
While we can neither deny nor prove it, we all know that casinos are businesses that aim to make a profit, and profit only. Personally, I don't rule out the possibility that they employ numerous legal and illegal tricks to attract gamblers and drain their pockets further and further. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 18, 2025, 10:11:50 AM I once saw a video of a former employee revealing how the gambling worked. They even demonstrated in the video how each player or gambler could achieve huge multipliers, all under their control. In reality, the casino knows exactly how to keep gamblers playing longer and more comfortably, constantly replenishing their bankrolls. This is where gamblers sometimes lose track of their actions and fail to properly manage their budgets. That's why winning of jackpots is at random occurrence because the casino have their settings that tricks the gambler to be playing repeatedly until they have lose all their money or decided to stop playing. Some player are very lucky that immediately they start playing, they will win big and stop. Among my friends, there's one with that luck of winning always when he plays. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: traderethereum on October 18, 2025, 03:39:31 PM Yes, there's a possibility that casinos may be manipulating the results at some point to give gamblers some hope that they can win the jackpot if they deposit more. But there is no evidence for this, and it's difficult to prove. It's simply an assumption with no real evidence. Even if there is a possibility that casinos are manipulating the results, we still don't know. We could only accept the result and if that is nearly missed, we may consider placing another bet. That makes gamblers return to casinos and gamble for more without thinking about the situation.While we can neither deny nor prove it, we all know that casinos are businesses that aim to make a profit, and profit only. Personally, I don't rule out the possibility that they employ numerous legal and illegal tricks to attract gamblers and drain their pockets further and further. They only want to win so they don't care if they have already lost. Yes, gamblers will deposit more if they think that they may win in the next games. But if they can think wisely about your last results, you will not keep playing instead save your money for the next days. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: yhiaali3 on October 19, 2025, 04:27:43 AM Yes, there's a possibility that casinos may be manipulating the results at some point to give gamblers some hope that they can win the jackpot if they deposit more. But there is no evidence for this, and it's difficult to prove. It's simply an assumption with no real evidence. Even if there is a possibility that casinos are manipulating the results, we still don't know. We could only accept the result and if that is nearly missed, we may consider placing another bet. That makes gamblers return to casinos and gamble for more without thinking about the situation.While we can neither deny nor prove it, we all know that casinos are businesses that aim to make a profit, and profit only. Personally, I don't rule out the possibility that they employ numerous legal and illegal tricks to attract gamblers and drain their pockets further and further. We don't know, and even if we did, we can't do anything except accept the results or leave the casino for another one. In the end, the responsibility lies with the gambler. If he is responsible, he shouldn't allow casinos to lure him into making more deposits and making more losing bets. He should simply stop and gamble only as much as he can afford to lose. Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Akbarkoe on October 19, 2025, 05:01:35 AM In a follow up to this topic, For those who experience near miss, does it motivate you to play more or stop? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562332.0) Basically, all games can be tampered with by the developer and the casino can ask for control over the games provided, we can see many mod games and they are designed so that the owner can control them, what you are saying could be done by fraudulent casinos that do not have verification of the fairness of the games in their casino, so it is very important to choose a casino that has been audited and licensed.Do you guys think that casinos if what we think that they have the control designed this near miss outcomes so that they can hook players to go and chase or this is just random chance to see two symbol for a almost bonus rounds? Because I've seen others says that it's random but there could be thoughts that at some point casinos are manipulating this result to give us some hope that maybe if we deposit for more, we might hit the jackpot and no longer that near miss? Title: Re: Near miss: It is really random or control design? Post by: Julien_Olynpic on October 23, 2025, 02:41:46 AM Of course, a casino could very well develop a winning mechanic that would somehow incentivize the player when a "near miss" occurs, for example, with a bonus game. This would work in cases where a player is focused on winning, but loses motivation to continue playing if they lose. A near miss could well motivate a player to continue playing, and then the near miss situation should be separately marked and bonuses given accordingly to motivate the player to continue playing. However, giving out bonuses too frequently could reduce the casino's earnings, or rather, increase its expenses.
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