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I thought of this today few hours ago and I decided to also include it as one of the topics I will post today on this forum.

What if someone is good in analyses and he is an analyst, can such person be losing while trading?

Or a good analyst will prefer swing trading and holding than scalping and day trading which are the riskiest trading types?

If you can use some or more people as an example in your post, I will really appreciate that.

I am not a person who is good in analysis, because I consider myself totally opposite, I take trade and market decides to take turn on me hehe.

Let's not talk about me, so there are many people pro in this field have good sense of trading and charts and all that and yeah they still make loss, but they stick to the spot trading, the ones who future trade they make loss all the time, but the spot trades always have choice to manage their trades according to the market condition and there is always hope for them.

They have good sense of risk management and investment and dca and average setting, to make the end profit a better one. I like their math and only a person who can do good math in their mind think of such analysis and I am bad at math hehe. But I disagree that a good analysist might not be a good trader because they come around at last, learn their weakness, but if they are sensitive to their emotions because that matters most. So yes I agree with you.

They can't be a good trader and as good analysist, they must  have the idea about their sitution that they are bad at emotion handling and good at analysis but the analysis + math if a person have that, they are like the dextor of trading.

Let me use a scenario here to explain my opinion.

There's a traders that was searching for price analyst, he wanted to employ them in his prediction group and he mentioned the amount that he will be paying the analyst per week. People that were capable must applied for the position but by the teachings of that trader in search of those analyst, I learned that their are some persons who are good in analyzing price, spotting best positions that one can trade successfully but they themselves doesn't really do well while trading because they have always find it difficult to manage their emotions. If they try to trade, they paint their emotions all over the place and end up having losses that beats profitability.

A good analyst can lack the ability of trading psychology, can be unprofessional in managing emotions, dumb in risk management and therefore can not be a successful day trade/scalper on the long run. My guess is that some analysts prefer holding and position trading.

The truth about trading is that, no trader that doesn't experience losses, no matter how good you feel you are in analysing the bitcoin market.

Another thing to note is that , being a good trader does not mean you will not make losses and being a good analyst does not also mean you will not make losses, but if one is a good analyst, it is advantageous in bitcoin trading, because a good analyst will always know the right time to enter the market and when to exit and can always make good use of market trends very well.

If you are a trader and you can't analyse the market very well you will likely be executing your trades at the wrong time, so being a good trader is impossible if you cannot analyse the bitcoin market very well.

A good analyst is hard to find these days because they all want to trade and make big money too with their knowledge, unless for those who already have enough money and just occasionally trade, but it would be hard to see them.

Some people may be good analyst but are scared to trade or don't fancy it at all because of the emotional involvement, still what makes up a good analyst is studying and observation of the market and strategies.
They take the time to see the patterns and interpret accordingly and any one can do that if they are patient enough or in this case employ someone if there's so much other investments or schedules to meet.

There are a lot of bitcoin trading analysts these days, but the question is, are they actually trading for real? Or they are just good in analysis but not in the real field of trading?

If this is the case, then all of them will just focus on trading itself, and reap maximum profits, but realistically speaking, trading is never easy but is always tough and complicated, most especially for those who are not real traders. So with this type of traders, if they can’t profit from real trading, at least they can gain some income out from those providing trading analysis and market signals, even if we know they’re actually good at it.

Yes good analysts can be losing everyday because we don’t know whether he understands the importance of good risk management or not. First thing we need to understand is that there is never an actual or accurate trader no matter how good of an analyst such trader is but rather we can experience the market going against the analysis now it has to deal with the risk management of the trader that periods like this are managed

I think we have multiple time agreed that this trading is heavily influenced by the psychological aspect of the trader how he manages the trade like risk management where he uses the required or appropriate leverage size instead of using higher leverage or using proper capital. All this constitutes to 70% of the success of the trade and not necessarily the analysis.

A good analysts might have analyzed the market better but they might not have the best psychology to hold such trade, for example exit early when the market is not going their way instead of sticking to their analysis. All this are what I think can make a good analysts lose in trading

Not all who analyze the market are good at trading since they are analyzing the previous data, not the future price.
If you're asking which they prefer, then it's swing trading or positional trading because they analyze the wider view and predict a high probability could happen. Also, if you go with a higher time frame, you can see less manipulation than in a shorter time frame. That's why it's risky to trade in scalping and intraday due to manipulation.

If you are looking for good analysis, why don't you try to analyze it yourself? Honestly, AI nowadays could help you assist in how to analyze the market; it works just the same as how others analyze the market unless the guy you follow had a different view on how the market works.

All traders, be it pro or not, will actually endure some losses in trading. No one is excused from it, even if you are born as a great analyst, as it won’t matter how good or effective you are as a trading analyst, but what’s most important is that how you beat and take advantage with the market position and condition.

A good analyst may not mean a good trader, but a good trader will turn out to be a good analyst. There is always  a big difference between the two.

If a good analyst were also a good trader, they would have opened a position for themselves and shown some trading results to prove that they are a good analyst. Is this what you wanted to mean? There are two types of analysts: one conducts analysis and trades for themselves, while the other speculates on the market and creates hype. Sometimes the analyst proves wrong because the chart doesn't always follow the previous pattern. 

You will notice that all the analysts advise against taking any financial advice. They simply speculate on the market and share their opinions based on the analysis results. Sometimes these things happen, and sometimes they fail. I'm not sure what you mean by 'good trader.' All trader fails at some point.

In my own understanding, it’s easy to find a good analyst as it can be developed through persistence and consistency of acquiring knowledge. But having a good trader that develops a reliable and profitable trade, despite how unpredictable the market is, that is quite an obsession for those who are aiming to be great traders in the market.

Sure ,their are many differences between a trader and analyst.while a trader also needs to be a good analyst,having analytical skills won't determine your trading success.
Analyst are always rational in their approach,while traders can occasionally be irrational in the field.

In any situation a trader can face losses because the market depends on the fluctuation of demand. It is not possible to predict when it will rise or fall. Experienced traders and analysts can make predictions in some cases and their predictions may be correct. They can also face losses but experience teaches them to have patience.

Each trading strategy can be determined in the context of the traders experience and financial situation. You can use the strategy that you find more convenient. I prefer holding trading to day trading most of the time. Considering the market conditions, I sometimes make profit by day trading.

Doesn't matter how good your analysis is, with trading there's always some anomaly happening. Trading is speculation more than fundamental analysis so I think just being a good analyst doesn't mean you are being trader but it could be helpful for long term to predict the growth of the asset and many things. It's just not suited for highly volatile market where it's mostly affected by news, sentiment, and hype.

Trading requires good knowledge about the market, the technology for doing both fundamental analysis and technical analysis as well as psychological of the market cycle understanding.

It's risky to do only technical analysis in this market while you skip fundamental analysis which is a preventive solution for your trading position in case your technical analysis is in accurate and you made bad trading position by that wrong analysis. For example, if you do bad technical analysis with Bitcoin which is fundamentally very good, and open your Spot trading position, you can simply hold your trading position in Spot, or cancel it, hold your bitcoin a long time and wait for price recovery.

I dont examples but what I have seen is that analysts make money from selling their words through news media outlets. They dont trade on their own or do very little trades in the meantime.

Hence they are running a profiting business because they dont have to bear losses but its like a day job.

Also some are making analysis and posting them on telegram channels which are again shilling shitcoina to the members. Thats another dirty way to make money.

I have seen a countless times that those that even make crypto analysis are not even traders, but they are very good at making analysis, because they have the technical abilities that could best interpret on what is on ground and that coming ahead in trades for us to see, a other category related to this are the influence, some are analyst and some are not, we should know them all and the last one are traders, those who choose to be in charge of the market performance as to when to buy or sell, while ideally, it is important that we combine majority of these skills together as traders, they help achieve a lot.

First of all, performing analysis on a trading chart in the crypto space is not easy, especially if you don't have any knowledge yet about actual trading in the field of crypto business.
But if you already have knowledge in trading, it will be easy for you to do this analysis.

This is because there are fundamentals for performing the analysis; you cannot be unaware of the functions of the tool indicators they use, as this is one of the methods
that greatly helps in performing analysis in an actual trade.

Even the best analysts can lose while trading because analysis and trading are not the same skill a person can read charts perfectly recognize trends and predict movements but still fail to manage emotions or timing trading requires not just analysis but execution discipline and control over greed and fear the market doesn’t always reward accuracy sometimes it punishes hesitation or overconfidence even when the analysis was right.

Take for example traders like Peter Brandt or Michael van de Poppe both are known for strong technical analysis yet they admit openly that they lose trades too they win more because they control losses not because they always predict correctly they treat trading as a probability game not a certainty even the sharpest chart readers only need to be right slightly more than they are wrong if their risk management is solid. Good analysts often prefer swing trading or holding rather than scalping because those methods align more with analysis and less with emotion swing traders look at the bigger picture they focus on trends and patterns that form over days or weeks not seconds or minutes day trading demands speed reaction and tolerance for stress that even experienced analysts might find draining so many of them choose slower styles where patience and understanding matter more than reflex.

Sometimes, being a good trader requires more than just sound analysis. It also requires good execution and self-control.

What I mean is that many people today are skilled at analyzing the market but still experience losses. The reason is usually their inability to control themselves and stick to their plan. Often, people deviate from their plan, resulting in losses. This is usually related to panic or greed.

Short answer, yes, he will still be losing money.
In trading knowledge alone on how to analyze the market is not enough to be successful because if you can't control your emotions while trading, the possibility of your losing that trade is way very high even though you get your analysis right, because you will see yourself pulling out of a trade in a losing position when you should have waited a little bit longer and it would reverse and go to where you wanted it to go, sometimes you may even stay longer in a market that you should have cut your loss and move on, so having knowledge on technical and fundamental analysis doesn't guarantee success in trading.
Patience and taking only the best trading set up is another thing you must be good at if you want to stand a chance in being successful while trading, not just knowledge on technical and fundamental analysis.

Those people can lose in trading if they can not control themselves. Trading is not just about analysis or skill but also about how you control your emotions and mind together so you will not get something bad from the market.

If you talk about swing trading and holding rather than scalping and day trading, that will depend on personal preference. It is because they have a skill which they will use to choose the trading type. Some friends that I know prefer to do day trading and scalping. But other friends choose swing trading. All will depend on your skills because if you have good skills, you can use all of the trading types to make a profit.

Definitely even an analyst would lose funds on the trading as well. Because it isn't necessary that his analysis always be right. If he always fails, then he won't be an analyst at all; he is just a blind trader then. Also, it doesn't mean analysts would never lose. A good analyst should be a winner in most of his trading, and the overall result should be profitable. As we trade without analysing, sometimes we come out right and sometimes we lose as well.

A good analyst makes a proper plan and strategy by researching the market, and as a trader, you have to execute it. But a trader has to decide when to take entry and when to exit, including stop losses. Even their analysis is right sometimes; the market would react opposite due to bad news or volatility. However, a good analyst knows what's going to happen, and a trader acts correctly when it doesn't happen at all.

The point is that the crypto market is not just about analyzing data and charts. The crypto market is influenced by many things, such as unexpected news, emotions, global events, and so on. So, it’s going to be very hard for any trader not to experience losses in trading, because most of these things determine the market.

No matter how good a trader may be at analysis, they can’t continue winning in every trade they take. They will eventually face losses, as things can change when unexpected events happen. This is one of the reasons why many people say trading is very hard to make money from.

Don’t you see what really happened recently when the crypto market crashed? It’s not that people didn’t do good analysis before entering the market but  the point is that unexpected news changed everything and a lot of top traders lost almost all their funds.

The market is so volatile and unpredictable. That is why we can't say that what happened in the past or even yesterday will happen again today or the next day. So these analysts will just fail. They will try trading and experience losses. The same thing happens to experienced traders.

It depends on their interest. But I think they'll try all kinds of trading to find what's best for them. Besides, they already have the advantage that gives them a bigger chance to earn a profit. And it was not difficult for them to adapt to the market situation.

Not every good analyst is a good trader but every good trader needs to be a good analyst.

If you do not have your TA/FA fundamentals down and cannot make meaningful connections
to news, economical, political etc. events then you are not going to be a good trader.

And no, before anyone asks, you cannot depend on AI or any kind of software to do the work for you.

The absolute riskiest trading type is derivatives trading. It is short-timescale gambling. No other word for it.

Most people lose in trading, even the so-called analysts or experts. So many of them open trading groups and sell trading signals to other traders. Unknowing to those purchasing the signals that the flashy life the "expert" is living and displaying online isn't from trading profits, but from the fee they charge people for those signals.

Trading is risky and anyone who claims they are only making profit is prolly lying. That is why risk management is so important in trading, but a lot of newbies do not implement it, instead they apply high leverage and lose all their money.

This is possible but not for a long time. It will not happen for a long time before you realize that you are actually good in your analysis. Those that stay so long in demo could have such issue when they come live. They will doubt theirselves because of losing money as a result of emotion on real money but if they are actually seeing that their prediction actually happens after they have exited in fear and loses, they will pick courage to hold on to what they predicted after a while. So such traders that are good analysts need to work on their emotion, if they do that they will be fine at the long run.


Any type of trading is good and profitable if you understand it. No broker or exchange will ask a trader the type of strategy, style or method of trading they used to make their profit before they process his withdrawal  ;D


No one precisely but if you check when you do a good analyse and because of panic and fear you lose out whilst the prediction happens, you learn.

To be successful in trading there is need to separate emotions from technique and define what you want, just like saying, emotions will definitely lead you into making weak trading decisions, while techniques will give you assured profits and winnings, whenever a trader approach the market using emotional sentiment, you definitely will record losses most especially when you face pressure during the trading session.

Definitely, yes. There are good analysts who aren't profitable traders. Trading is more of emotional control than mere teaching. Trading is practical, not theory. So, I don't have any doubt whenever I read about analysts who don't earn from trading. It's the same thing when we read about great career marriage counselors who've terrible married lives or are divorced.

It will shock you to know that some analysts don't trade at all. As in, they can't even trade to save their own lives.

There are those who keep claiming in the social media that they are good analysts, yet they are not successful and profitable in their trades. This only means that anybody can be a good analyst, and continue to provide us good trading market analysis and even good trading signals, but he does not have any guarantees to be making a good trade and make massive profits from it.

This only tells us that trading itself isn’t just in a form of having good analysis, but it’s more than that. Trading is risky, so you have to be good in risk management as well, and should have positive attitudes towards trading outcomes since not all trades automatically hit the goal profits, others just end up losing in the market.

The job of an analyst is too vast due to the numerous factors which are influencing the direction of a market. So, an analyst may miss few other things to consider which result in slightly wrong signal and this obviously will lead for losses while trading. So, there cannot be a good analyst to exist hence obviously zero chances for a good trader in the end. In my opinion, there could be only lucky traders who more often escaping from hitting stop loss. Yeah, this is how trading works. Even you spend years to master all the technical analysis, still you cannot generate guaranteed accurate signals. You must need God's touch to be accurate with your signal.

When you do not need to time the market, your chance of winning in a trade increases significantly. This is the key with swing trading and holding. So, I am sure that swing trading and holding cannot be used to measure the skill of an analyst to find good or bad.

I think you could select a few public traders for this and observe how they operate. Some of them are quite good analysts, and most of them make money from it. In my observations, most successful traders trade spot, primarily medium-term, although there are also some who make longer-term trades.
Those who are more unprofitable are those who trade futures, they are more susceptible to market manipulation, as happened recently in early October.

Everybody faces one or two losses in trading but it depends on how you manage your risks, what makes a good trader is not just good analysist also risk management plays a major role in the life of a successful trader. And any type of trader can be successful it doesn't really matter the type of trader you are ether swing trading, day trading or scalping can be successful as long as you are good at what you do. Although scalping happens to be the most riskiest form of crypto or forex trading  but traders still find it their best form of trading. Trading is majorly on ones personal perspective .

I'm not a professional trader, but I do know a little about this. I still think even the most skilled analyst will experience losses.

The market isn't biased, and being an expert analyst doesn't necessarily mean you'll always win. However, your profits will likely outweigh your losses, with a success rate of perhaps 80% compared to that of a regular trader.

There are many other factors that can lead to losses. Even if someone is very skilled at analysis, if they accidentally get caught up in emotions, it's still possible for them to make the wrong decision, which will inevitably lead to losses.

Yes you can still lose trades even if you are a good analyst because success in trading goes far beyond your analytical skills, there is also the requirement of emotional stability and psychological that a trader who is a good analyst may lack. If a trader lacks these, he will still loose in trades.

The market is also not a respecter of persons or the skills you have in analysis. The market will constantly test your emotions and psychology and if you are not strong in that area, you will loose to it.

bro!! to be honest being a good analyst doesn’t always mean being a good trader That's just the hard truth because trading also requires discipline, timing and emotional control some analysts can predict market trends accurately but still lose because of poor risk management or impatience. a lot of futures traders kind of face higher risks due to volatility and market manipulation. spot and medium term trading kinda give better results because they allow for more control and less pressure!! just buy some good assets at low price and hold for it to get to a nice price then sell.

Losses are very normal and this market is fair for all unless the manipulators have come to take our money.

It depends on their goal, if they aim for long term holding then they'd hold than to do scalping or day trading. Those who have analyzed the market based on the 4-year cycle, they'd mostly hold and that's what they're going to focus with. It's no brainer for them for what's to come and what is about to happen soon and so, they rely their analysis for that scenario and so they prefer to accumulate and hold. I think that many of us here are like that and chose to be like that.

Let’s stop normalizing thinking that once you know how to read the market patterns, analyze the market well, and provide reliable market signals, trading success will be guaranteed. It takes a lot of experience first before you can perfectly navigate your trading activities. And it requires a lot of mistakes and uncontrollable losses first prior to hitting the final success. That’s why if you’re a good analyst, that does not lead to guaranteed success.

Trading is a working process. And constant practice and experience are a must to achieve mastery and reach the final goal of success and profitability.

After drawing trend lines and doing your analysis there is no guarantee that the market is going to move according to your prediction, its good to analyse but this doesn't make it entirely sure but it increases thr chances of making profit. You might know to analyse and have good strategies without knowing how to apply them correctly. Trading isn't easy and analysis can only give you good results to a certain extent

You can be a good analyst in everything, but having that is just one of those conditions that a successful trader should met. Thus, being a good analyst is never sufficient enough to make a trade works, or to push to its success. It requires a lot more, and only passionate and highly motivated trader who wants to learn more will be the only one to succeed in the long run, leaving those good analysts still at loss with their trades and still prone to mistakes when trading.

I've been on the forum and haven't seen a single person who hasn't experienced losses in trading, even if they're an expert in fundamental or technical analysis. Everyone experiences losses in trading because the market can move against their analysis, or they may even take a different approach, ultimately resulting in a trade that doesn't go as planned. Theory, implementation, and any risk taken aren't always accurate, making it possible for someone to experience losses in trading. The difference lies in how well they handle this, and even if they lose in the previous trade, they still have the opportunity to profit in the next.

Based on my experienced around four years in cryptocurrency I don't think easily how to be good trader although you are good analyst, many time market unpredictable how smart your analyst. So in cryptocurrency trading beside have good analyst have much experienced is most another helpful side how to avoid bad moment when market suddenly crash. Have moment market condition not running as well as with our analyst beside economic global bad news or any politic decision made by top people and make our analyst fully out expectation.

Analyst is most important when trading in cryptocurrency but we must checking other aspect how to avoid our trading keep in the right way to earn profit and minimalize from loss, make balance between analyst and your experienced in trading if won't loss much in cryptocurrency trading.

You are right, just because someone can analyze well does not mean that they will never face losses in trading. Because no matter how well someone can analyze, none of us know what the market will be like because the market is uncertain and unpredictable. In this case, there is a possibility of loss. Even a good analyst can face losses. So I think that long-term, controlled and patient trading is preferable because it is less risky than short-term or fast trading.

It is not that a good analyst will not face losses. No matter how experienced people come into the trading world, they also face various types of losses. Trading is completely a matter of learning. If someone starts trading without learning trading, he will lose again and again. Trading education from experienced people is an important matter. You have to keep a cool head and pay attention to small things while trading. Many experienced people suffer big losses due to a small mistake.

But if a good analyst trades, he will lose comparatively less. Because good analysis comes from experience. So, I would say that a good analyst has the potential to become a comparatively good trader.

In fact, good analysts do not literally mean that they are also good traders, or if ever they are in trading, still they experience consistent mistakes and losses just like an amateur does. Why? Because not everyone can be prefect in trading, knowing trading has all the risks, and any good analyst that still isn’t inclined to taking risk, he will not turn into a successful and profitable one.

However, there are also instances that a good trader isn’t a good analyst, but he keeps working on it to be a good one in the next months or years. Trading can always be learned, but there are no instant or quick profits from trading alone.

A good trader requires experience and skills, aside from having sufficient knowledge on it. While a good analyst cares only on how to make a good interpretation of the market trend, news and events, but it lacks authenticity and on hand market experience, so it’s not actually credible enough to be called a good and successful trader.

However, if you can be a good analyst and a good trader, then that makes a winning formula in trading. No need to complicate, just keep improving and add more trading experiences. In the end, a good analyst may turn into a good trader eventually with constant learning and growth development.

Loses will definitely occur as long as you are trading cryptocurrency, regardless of your level of analysis and how expert you may be, you can also get your answers from the last trading competition that you hard few months ago.

At some point despite all your consistent profits, you recorded a lose in the process and you have to give up the competition, so being an analyst can reduce your risk of losing but can not totally eradicate it.

Whether you know how to analyze the market properly does not mean that you are going to be profitable in the market for a long run. The market is not smiling and you will need to get experience enough for you to understand the market clearly. Ordinarily reading charts and plotting graphs does not literally mean that you knew what you are doing. You can plot graphs, draw lines, use indicators and still lose money from the market. Your ideas does not change anything.

Even with sound market analysis, you can't consistently profit from trading, whether long-term or daily. Sometimes we experience losses because the market doesn't move as we predicted. Trading isn't as easy as it seems, as it involves many factors. The hardest part is staying consistent, as persistent losses can make people consider quitting. Fundamental and technical analysis can be helpful, but they don't always lead to profitable trades, as the results can be counterproductive like the market is not going as we predicted.

Truly the outcome of a trade depends on what price you bought the asset at and what price you sell it at. Beyond this, the fundamental or technical will only give you an idea of what the future is going to be for the next few hours but this is not 100% the case, opposite movements are possible and this is why observing the market over the years is important in placing the buy/sell orders and not just what an analyst says.

Simple words of buy low and sell high but difficult to execute because of human emotions - is the only important line to make money from trading. Whatever any analyst says, this is what will actually make the money.

Yeah, this is what OP concerns about. Because, analysis is just a 10% requirement of profit making in trading so being too good at that part alone will not ensure your profit making capabilities. In my opinion, risk management is more than 50% of influencing factor of success in trading. If you good at entry and exit but forgetting to incorporate stoploss then on a sudden short term volatility, you will lose your capital, for example. This is the reason, trading is very much sensitive job, you need to very careful when you have open position.

Analytics are key for identifying where to open a trade and where to exit but identifying these entry and exit points alone will not decide your end results because we need to withstand against fluctuating market conditions which is driven by external factors like news. To handle this, we have money management techniques, so certainly a good analyst may not be a profitable trader all the times.

Because being able to analyze charts is not always enough, as force majeure events can occur that influence the market in ways which may contradict your initial analysis. Therefore, a good analyst will have most trades be profitable, but it’s also important to consider that some unforeseen situations will have an impact, leading to losing trades as well. So good analysis is important, but it’s not a 100% guarantee of success in trading.

Is there people who are good analysts and are not good traders?
I have never heard about this that there are people who can do analysis about the market and doesn’t make profits while trading and of course before someone becomes a good analyst at least they should have experience in trading and all this are what could attributes to their successful trading.

To me we have good speculators and whenever they speculate about the market it may happen as speculated but that doesn’t mean they are good traders because there are more to know about trading than just being a speculator, I can say today that bitcoin would hit 180k by January to me I just feels or understand that the market is unpredictable and yes, anything could likely happen but that doesn’t mean I am sure of what I am saying but are just hoping for such to happen.

The market is always unpredictable sometimes and making it difficult to predict well, if you can analyse the market that means you will always have more chances of get profit in the market. But you can be winning back to back because the market always changes so let just put it as lucky because anything that is unpredictable is always a risky and if you win is by luck but in trading your lucky deal with your experience and knowledge because if you didn't have the knowledge you can never succeed in the trading. By analysing a chart can give you 100% that you have understood everything about trading and getting profits always. Anytime things change and is always difficult to predict and making it hard for any traders to always get what he need.

Right. News can bring so much volatility to the market that all analysis can fail, we have recently seen what happened in the crypto market and it all happened beyond everyone's expectations. Even if one takes a trade after doing a good analysis, there is no guarantee that trade will be profitable.

Therefore, the market should always be viewed in the big picture, chart analysis alone will not always bring good results to a trader. Because unexpected news can come to the market at any time and cause something that is beyond the traders' expectations.

Same goes for a good risk taker may not mean a good investor as well. So the difference is still there. It pays to be a good analyst and find it easy to analyze the market signals and pattern, but that will never give us a full assurance that he will also be a successful trader in the process. Analyzing is just a portion of work when trading, it takes more than that to be called a reliable and successful trader for long term.

What really is a good trader is that you can work under pressure and knows how to separate emotions when it requires. And a good trader is always objective, not just riding the market without ultimate purpose and goal.

Yes but the rates of losses can't be higher than the wins because when that happens then they aren't really what they claim to be good (analysing the market). How can you be good at something but you aren't making any profits from what you claim to be good at. I can't call myself a good investors without having any proof to back that my claim up. A good analyst should be able to interpret the market in a way it favours him even though it doesn't do that all the time because as humans, we aren't immune to mistakes which could've been caused by our mistakes or the market having other plans. A good analyst should equal to a good trader. I don't find it logical with your claims.

Losses just turn inevitable in trading, regardless of your position as a trader, but the more you trade uncautiously, the bigger chances you will end your trade with losses, and that’s a certain fact.

That is why I don’t believe that a good analyst turns out to be a good trader, because trading is never focused on analysis itself. Or the other way around, a good analyst may not mean a good trader, and for me that’s very true. I’m saying this not because of what others are telling me, but I’m saying this through my experiences from trading. And the more I trade, the more I realized I’m not actually meant to trade, so I just prefer to continue buying and hodling wherein decent profits are still possible.

For you to have the ability to analyze the market does not mean that you are going to be profitable as a trader for a long period of time. Those who understand the market do not mean that they have high chances to make more profits from the market than someone that has  an insider information. You can be profitable but the question lies on how far you can go as a trader making constant profits to sustain your expenses and budgets.

These days even you are a good market analyst when it comes theres a big names make a support or against the crypto is it will make an immediately changes with the market, no preparation no hesitant thats how they are powerful recently but all you can do is to wait the market become make a decision such as what will do next when the market is going up or down, is there any re-test might happen or its will be going an all out with the market traders and make a new position.
When it comes in trading you must need to have a plan and of course a backup plan its depends on your risk management and also the time frame you are looking for me Scalping or swing trades are the best and suitable to my trading habits and so far so good its profitable in my side.

The ability to analyze well and the ability to trading well are not the same thing, but it is possible to become good at both with long time practice. There are many trading analysts on social media who have gained more fame on YouTube by analyzing than trading in reality. Analysis is the ability to understand the market, such as: viewing charts, identifying trends, understanding patterns, understanding the impact of news and presenting it beautifully in front of everyone without the risk of losing money. But to be a quant trader, along with understanding all these things, you have to be much more proficient in Mathematics. Because Math is the ability to calculate - risk management, position sizing, profit-loss calculation, DCA and average setting, understanding and applying these with full risk. So the actual experience of it is very different and very difficult because the decision can change in a moment, but when someone presents an analysis, many new things can come in the analysis, depending on the tone of voice, attracting people's attention or various things.

Usually, most traders specialize in one thing or another, such as: someone is good at analysis but weak in numbers, while someone is good in numbers but cannot understand charts or market mood. But if someone can do both together - good analysis and good calculation, then he will be much more strategic and successful in trading. The biggest thing is that if someone really wants to become a Trading Maestro, then he will have to practice all these things for a long time, then it is possible.

In reality, there are many who have lost money by Future trading for 2-3 years and have now become analysts and have earned a good name on YouTube and they also have many fans/followers.

This is also true, but a good analyst increases your chances of success in trading. It's like in any other endeavor, there will always be a chance of loss where the risks are too high, but the majority of trades will be winning, and this will determine your long-term success. If you find yourself losing money for long periods of time, such as quarters or even a year, then it's best to forget about trading and focus on holding assets like Bitcoin or perhaps Ethereum. I always lean toward Bitcoin, as I consider it a safer investment.

This is true but you can not let your trading position and trading result completely depend on your trading analysis which can be accurate or inaccurate. If you believe too strongly about accuracy of your trading analysis, and let your trading position depends on it, you will lose money in trading, just a matter of time. And if you don't manage risk well, but have habit of using all your trading capital for each trading position, it will be time you lose big money with your inaccurate analysis and bad trading positions.

To avoid this, no better way than using stop loss order which saves your position if your trading analysis is wrong.
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Doing your analysis doesn’t mean that you are always going to get it right, there are times when the market would still go in the opposite direction of your trade no matter how good you think your strategies are...my advise to people that are new to trading, don't always let your trading strategies make you over confident, you must always learn to follow the principle of risk management otherwise you'd end up in losses

Of course, a good analyst isn’t all the time his analysis turn out to be reliable, but most likely, a good analyst draws more chances of hitting the market right, compared to those who are still making trial and error market analysis. However, a good analyst isn’t always a good trader, some are just good in analysis but are weak in risk management and discipline, so it’s not surprising why these kind of traders still lose in the long run.

Having a good analysis when trading is vital, but it’s just one of those factors required for a successful trading. So you need to be equipped with all of them before you can guarantee yourself to be a good and successful trader.

Personally, I think it would be very laughable for an analyst to prefer swing trading. An analyst, which "trades" their thesis, should take a longer term approach in trading that could take YEARS while they're waiting for their thesis to materialize.

It's sort of like Bitcoin HODLers. We have a thesis that because of the nature, ethos, and technical principles of Bitcoin, we have an analysis that it will become a world reserve currency or a Store Of Value for nation-states. 

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Day trading and scalping can be more risky compared to swing trading and a good analyst will take advantage of swing trading, then buying and holding, waiting for the best time to buy/sell their holdings.

Trading is not just about how one can professionally analyze the trading market, but with all those knowledge, he should be able to manage their emotions and their risk management skills. It is easier said than done, and that is what we see more when it comes to discussions. For me, I think a good market analyst will focus on swing trading than day/scalp trading, as this will give space to think outside the market trading charts to clear his head, a day or two off before coming back.

Professional traders faces losses too, and a professional analyst that is not experienced with trading is more like a beginner trader, who knows the tools but can't manage the right decision making.

Honestly, while it is true that analysis doesn't mean you are guaranteed to make money, it just means that you are going to do a fine job, and that's what matters here. I understand it is not going to be easy, but at the very least we could make some money in return.

You don't compare how much you make with analysis to someone else's, you compare it to yourself without analysis, imagine if you did zero analysis, would you make more profit? Of course not, even if you lose, with analysis you will lose less, compared to without analysis where you would lose a lot. Which is why it is quite important to make sure you know what you are dealing with here. Analysis and learning how to do it matters a lot more than what people think.

Analysis doesn’t guarantee success but it gives direction without it you’re basically walking blind in a market that changes every second no one no matter how skilled can predict the market perfectly but analysis helps you understand probabilities and manage your positions smarter even if you lose it’s a controlled loss not a reckless one. New traders often mistake confidence for certainty they think because their analysis looks solid it must play out exactly that way but markets love to move against expectations that’s where risk management becomes the real backbone of trading knowing how much you’re willing to lose before you even enter a trade is what separates traders from gamblers.

Doing analysis is about preparation not prediction it’s about improving your odds not ensuring perfection even when it fails it still teaches you patterns discipline and patience without it your trades are just guesses and luck becomes your only hope. So it’s true that analysis might not always make you win but it definitely makes you lose smarter and recover faster and in trading that’s what matters consistency comes from understanding the game not just playing it blindly.

That is what differentiates the two. A person who can analyze trading well does not necessarily know how to apply it in trading according to their analysis. Experience as a trader is needed to be able to trade effectively. However, with the capital of good analytical skills, at least a trader has a stronger foundation to become a good trader if they continue to learn and gain more experience.

You have said almost all I wishes to say and I just wish to add up to what you have already said, why being a good technical and fundamental analysis is not enough to be a good or profitable trader is that in trading knowledge alone is not enough. Added with what you have said already, knowing how to control your emotions is very important if not the most important skills a trader must have while navigating his way around the market.
Another thing is patience, not every trader are patient, and we all know how important patience is while trading, so this is another reason why good analysis is not enough to be a profitable trader.

I found one person in my country who has a good win rate in his trading, he is one of the Investors and also a trader in the cryptocurrency market, you may be able to search for him on Google to find him, namely Timothy Ronald.

From the activities he does in his trading more Hold bitcoin, but there is something interesting about his altcoin trading using the swing trade method, such as one week to 4 months holding it and then in jul, he often shows the development of his portfolio, then after that he also uses momentum strategies on certain altcoins that accept him an alpha to buy and yes he succeeds.

Speaking of loss, there must be an amount depending on the position, but in execution it is only a floating loss not a realized loss, he prefers spot to the use of leverage.

Then there is Jonathan as a futures sword with crazy leverage, so far he has been quite successful, the win rate of trading on OKX is above 60-%90% per month, and can be assumed to be great, he has his own way and is a day trader.

A good analyst is not a form of assurance that you will have a loss free trade. you will loose some trades eventually, literally, it is even part of trading that you loose at some point. only that most persons would rather want to stay in the illusion of the taught that profitability has to come with almost no loss at all which is not true because you don't control the market, so it cannot always move in your desired direction and grant you a win always, it only moves in the direction it wants to move in at the time it wants, you only try to spot these opportunities in the direction of the market and make sure to use them to your advantage.

For such an analytical personality, i believe it is mostly best for such a person to swing especially if they have got other job they are doing, because they may not have the luxury of time to always frequently check the charts like a day trader or a scalper. moreover for a very good analyst, swing is a lesser risk trade for them because it comes with lesser volatility and gives such a trader all the time to analyze and come up with a trade that they will place and increase their chances of a winning trade.

The irony of it all is that most of those analysts don't explicitly let the public know that they don't trade. They act as if they actually trade. That's deceit. They know if they open up to say they aren't actively trading, they will lose audience and they don't want that happening. So, they rather continue in their deceit as that makes them money through subscription for their mentorship programmes and all that. This is part of why I don't trust most things online. There's too much fake life going on.

There are times when we lose momentum after making a good analysis because sometimes the market can move against our analysis. That's just how trading goes, as it can't always provide a high level of accuracy. Scalping is generally practiced by several people engaging in short-term trading. This type of trading typically involves entering and exiting the market quickly after achieving a profit or loss. This type of trading is not easy because one must analyze the specific coin being traded accurately, as a mistake can wipe out all capital within minutes.

All types of trading are generally risky, whether scalping, swing trading, or day trading. If someone doesn't have a good approach, engaging in this type of trading can cause problems. Not everyone is suited to trading, although we believe it can be learned. However, if trading steps are not well-prepared, it is generally difficult for people to survive.

You were right about the example, about winnings. With futures, you should view them as winnings, as they're a very risky form of trading. Spot trading, on the other hand, is more conducive to making analysis more effective, although that doesn't always guarantee trading success. And applying analysis locally is more difficult because markets are influenced by news. I think that in most cases, a good analyst will make money in trading, but in addition to good analysis, they need to adhere to other rules and be disciplined.

Of course, these two types are different in carrying out their trading and investment in the crypto market, they have their own way and it is proven that they succeed and make their lives much better, but what is certain is that they have their own governance so that risks and others are well calculated according to their respective strategies.

All forms of trading such as swing trades, futures, or long-term holds have their own procedures for management, especially emotional management which is often volatile or dynamic in market movements.

The OP is talking about 'good analysis' and not just a simple one. You must be referring about a normal analysis only, and with that, it is already expected that it can fail, not just sometimes but at most times usually. As for the good one, you are still right that it is not always a Christmas time here.

I think the loss may not always be a cause of manipulation but maybe that is just how life is built (up and down)? Pretty interesting isn't it? As a newbie, it is not always the strategies that makes them to be over confident but it is only natural at them, though as a newbie, they can also be scared and will just take lower risk due to lack of knowledge and experience.

I believe a good analyst can reach the right decision many times. As they always take decisions through market analysis and chart observation. However, sometimes global economic problems can go against themselves. Yes you are right, we should always follow the rules of risk management. But many times it is seen that new entertainers follow the direction of profit only for the sake of profit. As a result, their next plan fails and they lose money because the market is not in their favor. That's why every trader should be aware of different strategies.

To that I'll say it varies because you can find an analyst who's good in making accurate analysis and solve related issues in regarding that aspects, so then I believe such person can be profitable in most cases in trading cause of their abilities and skills, though scalping may be a good trading preference but then it's otherwise riskier of which it may results in loses unexpectedly making the trader lose hazardously.

They may swing trade but they may also do it for the long term. In trading, analysis is important to increase our chances of predicting the market correctly. Trading is a quick activity but it was investing, is the ones that are usually done in the long term. None is forced here in crypto but there are students that literally made thesis about Bitcoin. That is a good idea. It helps to spread the word to the other in case they are still clueless about it. The wish that Bitcoin can become a world reserve and a store of value must be happening already. It is like a dream come true for the many.

Even if someone can analyze very well, there is no possibility that he will be able to make a profit every time he trades, even if he can make a profit a few times. The market is affected by the global situation and it is not controlled by analysis. Trading becomes much more risky due to price fluctuations and limited time to make decisions. New investors should be especially careful in this regard. Because most new investors enter trading with the hope of short-term profits and most of them suffer financial losses. Besides, in trading, one has to keep an eye on price fluctuations every day, which often causes mental stress.

Trading in general is not the game of just numbers but also the human emotions so if someone who is good with numbers and finding the patters still may not make a successful trader because we can't be sure that everyone will handle the situation in the same way if we add the money part and given a situation that their life is on the line and now decide what they should do.

Good analytical skill is an added advantage along with many other things like taking the bold move when the market is taking the unexpected turn or finding the new projects at the right time.

In fact, market analysis is an assumption, no matter how good the analysis is, not everyone's analysis is always correct, if someone likes to be a good trader, he cannot be a good trader, and of course, when good analysts trade, sometimes they suffer losses due to extreme volatility on the trading platform. For example, we saw a big dumping in mid-October, no one could have predicted that there would be such a big dumping, most traders were affected by that dumping because there was a liquidation of $19 billion, only traders were affected here, no one else was affected, so I think no matter how good an analyst someone is, they will suffer losses on the trading platform.

Trading is more than just analysing the market, you can make good analyses but not all the time that someone can make good analyses, a single inaccurate analyses can cause huge loss if the trader is not having good trading experience. You can be a good analyst but not a good trader, but good analyses can help a trader very well if he knows how to trade.

Even though you are a good trader you may be very good with analysing trade but you may still lose in fact you will surely lose a trade you can't be perfect always you may face some lose at some point so no matter how experience you are you can still lose money as a trader it's not about being too good and experience.
Trading is usually like that but some people feel the reason why you will lose a trade is because you don't have good experience in trading which is not true no one knows the future and for the fact that you can't predict the future you can't be perfect in trading you will surely be losing money however if you are very good and experience you will be losing less and gain high, but those that are not experience usually gain less and lose high and as a trader when you are in this situation you are not gaining anything and if you continue trading you will go totally broke.