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Title: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Xiestar on November 01, 2025, 05:28:54 AM
I caught someone cheating in the past with multiple account on a single campaign. But when I check his current history, he is intentionally dodging to enroll his multiple on single campaign even though all of them has no active campaign.

Currently, he is contributing great in the forum but I’m having conscience of letting it slide due to his honest behavior now.

I don’t want to be involved on multiple account busting because it might cause someone losing his main source of income especially if the use is from 3rd world countries. I’m completely against cheater and merit farmer but if there’s a sign of betterment I do consider it.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Despairo on November 01, 2025, 06:33:54 AM
AFAIK and CMIIW, I haven't see someone forgiven for cheating in the same campaign, what I know people forgive when the case is in grey area e.g. exchange merit, ban evasion, bought account etc. When someone ever cheating, it's like people will see them as a cheater forever.

So if you bust them, then you would see negative feedback on their accounts.

But wait, you said all of them aren't in campaign, why you worried if this forum are their main source of income? ???


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: julerz12 on November 01, 2025, 06:48:20 AM
I caught someone cheating in the past with multiple account on a single campaign. But when I check his current history, he is intentionally dodging to enroll his multiple on single campaign even though all of them has no active campaign.

Currently, he is contributing great in the forum but I’m having conscience of letting it slide due to his honest behavior now.

I don’t want to be involved on multiple account busting because it might cause someone losing his main source of income especially if the use is from 3rd world countries. I’m completely against cheater and merit farmer but if there’s a sign of betterment I do consider it.
People make mistakes, some might be intentional like cheating but all of us do learn from our mistakes ( at least to those who are sincere with changing their bad behavior ). So, if he/she is doing good things now and contributing to the community, a neutral tag can't hurt, just a little reminder for them to keep up the good work and not stray back into doing mischievous things here in the forum.
Also, it might be best to archive whatever proof you have from his/her previous cheating, so when the time comes that he/she decides to do it again, you have multiple proofs that will allow DTs to tag him/her.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: ABCbits on November 01, 2025, 07:59:09 AM
Responding the thread title, IMO it heavily comes down to the campaign manager. Some may not want to take risk accepting someone with bad history or hesistant to accept someone who received negative feedback or neutral feedback about questionable behavior.

And regarding income, AFAIK there are few campaign that still accept account with negative feedback.



AFAIK and CMIIW, I haven't see someone forgiven for cheating in the same campaign, what I know people forgive when the case is in grey area e.g. exchange merit, ban evasion, bought account etc. When someone ever cheating, it's like people will see them as a cheater forever.

FYI, ban evasion isn't allowed by this forum. So IMO such case isn't in grey area.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 01, 2025, 08:38:30 AM
While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Odohu on November 01, 2025, 09:46:14 AM
So the essence of your post is that a cheater can actually repent and start living upright not that you want to report the actions of the person. That is fine and commendable if the person actually changed for good. Let me know, if tomorrow you see such person going back to his old ways of cheating, will you bring the evidence forward, that is if what you have is real evidence and not just emotional suspicion?


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Xiestar on November 01, 2025, 10:01:41 AM
While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Precisely, this is the angle I’m looking for before busting an account. On this scenario he is not cheating for a long time until now as I observe his participation on campaigns behavior using his alt account unlike the merit whores that fearlessly joined same campaign because they knew there’s no evidence for them to be bust.

But wait, you said all of them aren't in campaign, why you worried if this forum are their main source of income? ???

What I’m trying to emphasize is they are joining on different campaign even if all the accounts doesn’t have campaign. They are dodging to participate on same campaign unlike cheaters that apply all account on same campaign for higher acceptance rate.

That’s the reason I conclude that he is avoiding to cheat on campaign. Accounts is now joined on Hhampuz campaign most of it but I don’t want to bust it now as he is a good contributor.


So the essence of your post is that a cheater can actually repent and start living upright not that you want to report the actions of the person. That is fine and commendable if the person actually changed for good. Let me know, if tomorrow you see such person going back to his old ways of cheating, will you bring the evidence forward, that is if what you have is real evidence and not just emotional suspicion?

100% gonna bust him. Already archived all the proof.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: KingsDen on November 01, 2025, 10:34:43 AM
While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.
Sometimes it's impatient and greed that makes people cheat as enrolling their alts in the same campaign.
Afaik, there are no hard rules in the forum, but I wonder why people don't keep to a simple rule. Just because there's an open slot doesn't mean the person should bring in their alts. There are alot of other campaigns they can enrol in.

Meanwhile, no one  as you said is perfect, but it's not always easy for a notorious cheat to repent, especially when anchored on greed and not ignorance.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 01, 2025, 10:52:21 AM
While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Precisely, this is the angle I’m looking for before busting an account. On this scenario he is not cheating for a long time until now as I observe his participation on campaigns behavior using his alt account unlike the merit whores that fearlessly joined same campaign because they knew there’s no evidence for them to be bust.



If you're on his side and want to help him avoid being cheated, simply tag him on his trust page, showing his other accounts. This will protect him from the temptation to apply for the same company signature. Knowing that his alts are publicly known will also help him stay on track and participate honestly in forum discussions. Otherwise, you're acting like a hunter. Sometimes, only revealing their secrets can save people from their own greed. :)


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on November 01, 2025, 10:53:19 AM
I have found some accounts before who were doing something similar but I chose to keep the information private because they weren’t abusing the merit system and weren’t enrolling their alts in the same campaign. There are much more serious offenders out there that I wouldn’t out someone just for having multiple accounts. It is actually somewhat impressive how some people can manage multiple accounts here on Bitcointalk and a few more on Altcoinstalks without resorting to AI and still making posts that are of passable quality.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 01, 2025, 11:22:29 AM
While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.
Do you really feel like they are reformed though? That's the big question. Most people who are scamming, stealing, cheating are doing so due to circumstances. If you have knowledge of someone engaging in these activities but notice they have change their behavior, then likely circumstances have changed.

What happens when circumstances change again? Will they revert back to their previous behavior? Most likely yes, but in some rare instances there is true reform.

How many accounts have been tagged for cheating and we never see the tag removed? Those users aren't truly gone from the forum, they just create new accounts and do better to not get caught. Sometimes they hide for awhile and some are caught quick.

OP it sounds like you may know this person and interact with them? Is that a fair assessment? I cannot tell you to burn the person, that is your own moral dilemma but I would ask that as soon as you notice a change in behavior that you consider posting all the proof and protecting the forum from the chaos that may ensue.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 01, 2025, 11:39:25 AM
Do you really feel like they are reformed though? That's the big question. Most people who are scamming, stealing, cheating are doing so due to circumstances. If you have knowledge of someone engaging in these activities but notice they have change their behavior, then likely circumstances have changed.



That's right, I completely agree. Having accidentally checked one account, my opinion literally changed on the fly. :) Although this is probably another case, nevertheless, in this situation, I would also like to know how it happened that an account with someone else's wallet number was registered before the owner's.


I also sent a PM to one account and would like to ask if the two accounts are owned by the same user. You can answer here.

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Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Xiestar on November 01, 2025, 12:42:49 PM
While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Precisely, this is the angle I’m looking for before busting an account. On this scenario he is not cheating for a long time until now as I observe his participation on campaigns behavior using his alt account unlike the merit whores that fearlessly joined same campaign because they knew there’s no evidence for them to be bust.



If you're on his side and want to help him avoid being cheated, simply tag him on his trust page, showing his other accounts. This will protect him from the temptation to apply for the same company signature. Knowing that his alts are publicly known will also help him stay on track and participate honestly in forum discussions. Otherwise, you're acting like a hunter. Sometimes, only revealing their secrets can save people from their own greed. :)

Since I already started this thread, I’m hesitant because DT might tagged him for cheating because we have different opinion and principle on how we can use the trust system.

Even I received a neutral feedback for a post that directly against a DT even though I’m not showing any negative remarks.

I’m glad to receive a support from a user like you that is good on hunting multiple account have a consideration like this when giving trust feedback.


OP it sounds like you may know this person and interact with them? Is that a fair assessment? I cannot tell you to burn the person, that is your own moral dilemma but I would ask that as soon as you notice a change in behavior that you consider posting all the proof and protecting the forum from the chaos that may ensue.

I don’t interact to this user but I frequently read his post which is worthy of my time reading.

It’s just a waste to nuke the account and lower a poster that contribute organically rather than bunch of accounts that merit whoring and post bullshit post on cricket / football thread.



Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Unknown Op on November 01, 2025, 03:32:23 PM

That's right, I completely agree. Having accidentally checked one account, my opinion literally changed on the fly. :) Although this is probably another case, nevertheless, in this situation, I would also like to know how it happened that an account with someone else's wallet number was registered before the owner's.


I also sent a PM to one account and would like to ask if the two accounts are owned by the same user. You can answer here.

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Sorry dear, I was little busy!

Hahaha that is very old story. Let me explain. I mostly do trades with my community, we have group on TG too.

As far as I remember, something happened that time, hafiztalha wanted to exchange some local money for btc. He sent me address and I copied it for sending btc to him. I also had my own personal address pinned to apply for campaigns easily.

At that time Sinbad Mixer Campaign had opened slots I applied quickly and I remember that I mistakenly pasted his(hafiztalha) address . After that, hafiztalha messaged me and told me I used his address in my application mistakenly. Then I immediately deleted my application.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 01, 2025, 04:03:52 PM

Sorry dear, I was little busy!

Hahaha that is very old story. Let me explain. I mostly do trades with my community, we have group on TG too.

As far as I remember, something happened that time, hafiztalha wanted to exchange some local money for btc. He sent me address and I copied it for sending btc to him. I also had my own personal address pinned to apply for campaigns easily.

At that time Sinbad Mixer Campaign had opened slots I applied quickly and I remember that I mistakenly pasted his(hafiztalha) address . After that, hafiztalha messaged me and told me I used his address in my application mistakenly. Then I immediately deleted my application.

Yes, it's all fun, but I still haven't found the transaction you said we should see. That's why I wrote to you, saying I want to hear the story, and how you come up with it is up to your imagination. If I'm wrong, show me. In his wallet, I only see payment for the company's signature, and apparently some winnings from Royse.
Oh well, don't worry. :)


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: jeremypwr on November 01, 2025, 04:26:41 PM
The statement "once a cheater, always a cheater" is usually pretty accurate.

There was a guy who I caught cheating in my Games and rounds promotions that, overtime, I eventually forgave.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: mrust_mobile on November 01, 2025, 08:30:02 PM
We can’t afford to ignore cheaters imo. Let’s stop with that turn your other cheek people can change crap. If you found someone cheating and not reported him, you are as guilty as the cheater himself. People can indeed change in very rare occasions but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get punished for their old mistakes. Many old forum accounts got banned for plagiarism which they committed a decade ago. Ask lauda if you don’t believe, oh wait … We need to be merciless against the cheaters or else they’ll try to scam people even harder.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: JeromeTash on November 01, 2025, 08:59:14 PM
I guess it just depends on one's forgiveness level. I have personally forgiven or removed tags from some user accounts in the past, but definitely not all. Some instances are not forgivable, though. Since you didn't mention any names in the thread, then it means you are lean towards forgiving them.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: The Cryptovator on November 01, 2025, 09:48:33 PM
How many accounts have been tagged for cheating and we never see the tag removed? Those users aren't truly gone from the forum, they just create new accounts and do better to not get caught. Sometimes they hide for awhile and some are caught quick.
Right now it's quite impossible due to the merit system. When someone is tagged for some reason, especially signature participants, then it's not easy to build another account. It would take a couple of years, because it's not easy to earn merits nowadays. And whoever is able to build a new account, then he shouldn't use multiple accounts on the single campaign; they legally could join on a different campaign. For me, I can build another account easily and could participate in two different campaigns. So for me it doesn't necessarily apply to the same campaign. It means quality members don't necessarily cheat, and spammers won't build a new account so quickly. But I agree with you regarding circumstances.

However, based on the topic, I would forgive such users if they were really refined. Likely he doesn't want to be exposed for previous mistakes, but he has refined. In that case I would give him the advantage of the doubts. I can remember I have removed a couple of tags this way. But since I know his alt, then I will keep an eye. If I find something suspicious, then I will expose him. So you might do the same; just keep an eye on him.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: JollyGood on November 01, 2025, 10:18:50 PM
That statement is very accurate. The problem that we have in the forum is that there are a huge number of account farms that are being operated by puppeteers that have no morals. They will create threads about dead forum members and/or those that contributed to the crypto community before they died. All of this in the hope of getting merits in order to rank up as it will help them get more money when they join campaigns.

They have zero morals and zero rules, they just want to get paid. When there is that element of income at stake or on the line, they care about nothing except themselves. They will not only lie to the extent of becoming compulsive liars to achieve their aims, they will literally go to any lengths for the sake of pocketing some crypto.

The statement "once a cheater, always a cheater" is usually pretty accurate.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: khaled0111 on November 01, 2025, 10:57:09 PM
No one knows which user you are talking about, so all I can ask is, do you believe in second chances?
Do you think this user deserves a second chance?
If you think he deserves a second chance, then let it be and delete all the evidence you have against him.
All you need to do now is to keep an eye on him and on all of his alt accounts and see if he will ever try to scam anyone. If he does, then you can expose him and expose all of his alt accounts.



Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: PX-Z on November 01, 2025, 11:07:34 PM
Once that user get tagged because of cheating and multi accounting, it's usually the end of his account, and its value plummeted regardless his rank, so joining to campaigns wont be possible. Repent will be probably be given but it will take a long time at least a year and it wont be so easy.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on November 01, 2025, 11:22:40 PM
Do you really feel like they are reformed though? That's the big question. Most people who are scamming, stealing, cheating are doing so due to circumstances. If you have knowledge of someone engaging in these activities but notice they have change their behavior, then likely circumstances have changed.

What happens when circumstances change again? Will they revert back to their previous behavior? Most likely yes, but in some rare instances there is true reform.
It's like saying a wifey that secretly has a tenacious grasp on the temporary benefits from many guys, making them jerk off, and has also experienced Orgies and orgasms from it, would one day, portentously let go. True satisfaction comes from when you got one, but still keep to it anyway; especially when you be the type that don't need no smoke at all.
That's right, I completely agree. Having accidentally checked one account, my opinion literally changed on the fly. :) Although this is probably another case, nevertheless, in this situation, I would also like to know how it happened that an account with someone else's wallet number was registered before the owner's.


I also sent a PM to one account and would like to ask if the two accounts are owned by the same user. You can answer here.
Even if it was the case, who'd shoot himself on the leg to prove a point, Lovesmay?? At this point, they all know being honest doesn't save nobody's ass.
Oh well, don't worry. :)
What they tell you about the sleeping Dawg? Let 'em lie..



Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: hafiztalha on November 01, 2025, 11:48:22 PM
Ohh! That case. He is an irresponsible person. I wanted to trade with him but he disappointed me.

I have read your post where you mentioned me. And I read his reply too. He is 100% right exactly that was happened. This was my biggest mistake as I wanted to trade with him using my own Bitcoin address.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: YOSHIE on November 02, 2025, 02:31:31 PM
I caught someone cheating in the past with multiple account on a single campaign. But when I check his current history, he is intentionally dodging to enroll his multiple on single campaign even though all of them has no active campaign.
In the case of Alt accounts, it's basically simple, you see and get evidence of committing a violation, such as cheating in a campaign or committing a violation elsewhere with valid evidence, just raise them here.

But if some accounts have clearly stated the rules, maybe you don't need to bother thinking about them, what's more, they don't violate the campaign rules and are not active, unless there is a clear violation and strong evidence, raise here DT members will consider what is best for them.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Awaklara on November 02, 2025, 02:55:08 PM
Once that user get tagged because of cheating and multi accounting, it's usually the end of his account, and its value plummeted regardless his rank, so joining to campaigns wont be possible. Repent will be probably be given but it will take a long time at least a year and it wont be so easy.
An account that is tagged as a cheater could be the end. But the person controlling it might not be. They will be active again, either with a new account or with another account that hasn’t been exposed yet. 
Repentance might be considered, but how many cases of caught cheater accounts actually do this? They don’t hesitate to close the caught account because they have several other accounts. What makes them angry is the loss of income from being removed from campaigns.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: nutildah on November 03, 2025, 03:47:07 AM
Ultimately its a personal preference. I think a lot of people know about secret alt accounts but don't bother to say anything because they are not actively doing any harm, or not enough to warrant a public outing. If their cheating was well in the past, then I guess it is best to forget about it. There's at least a few accounts I'm currently taking that stance toward. I could bust them pretty good but it would seem petty of me -- best to wait to see if they get involved in something wayward later, lol.


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: EarnOnVictor on November 03, 2025, 06:03:00 AM
What I could point to now is a baseless post. You caught someone of wrongdoings, you kept silent and prefer to keep silent after this post still, so why did you now bring it to the public? You should have kept it to yourself.

Perhaps you need people's validation on this, which I see as childish. You report if you want to report, then keep it to yourself if you do not want to report. It's as simple as that.

This is simply blabbing, bro!


Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: Xiestar on November 03, 2025, 08:14:54 AM
What I could point to now is a baseless post. You caught someone of wrongdoings, you kept silent and prefer to keep silent after this post still, so why did you now bring it to the public? You should have kept it to yourself.


You can simply check my post history to know my last input on this thread. I just keep it open for others to discussed. I already indicated the purpose of this topic on OP if you are missing out.

Done finding an answer to my question and it’s not bad to ask for an opinion on a forum.

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Perhaps you need people's validation on this, which I see as childish. You report if you want to report, then keep it to yourself if you do not want to report. It's as simple as that.

How come asking for opinion is a childish thing? I’m considering the trust system being decentralized so every DT has their own opinion on the matter.

I need many inputs because I myself is confused to the right decision. Even your opinion is different to others if you will read again replies.

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This is simply blabbing, bro!

This post of yours is the real blabbing. Betpanda is very proud for this wonderful nonsense.



Title: Re: Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good
Post by: robelneo on November 03, 2025, 09:29:31 PM
What I could point to now is a baseless post. You caught someone of wrongdoings, you kept silent and prefer to keep silent after this post still, so why did you now bring it to the public? You should have kept it to yourself.


You can simply check my post history to know my last input on this thread. I just keep it open for others to discussed. I already indicated the purpose of this topic on OP if you are missing out.

Done finding an answer to my question and it’s not bad to ask for an opinion on a forum.

You've done the right thing, brother. I think you're question is new to many of us. I cannot remember a topic like this, and it could well be a reference for someone in the same situation.
I support withholding it, as he is doing well now, and just let it out when he goes astray. People can correct themselves later after their misdeed. If you think he is making a living from his activity here, for all we know, he may be the family’s only breadwinner, and you may feel bad about this if you take that away.