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would you actually pay a tipster just to improve your chances of winning?

Do you really trust these people? I mean, if they’re really that good at predicting games, why would they even sell their tips instead of just betting and earning quietly for themselves?

Some say they do it to “help others” or to share their system, but honestly, if it’s that accurate, they wouldn’t need to rely on subscribers.

So what’s your take, do tipsters actually help, or are they just making money off bettors who are desperate to win?

That's something I don't want to do.
First, it feels very foolish to have to spend money upfront just to be able to win a bet.
Second, it doesn't guarantee a profitable because tipsters are just like bettors who only try to predict, and the results can be bad, leading to double losses.

So that I will get scammed? Tipsters are scammers. The money you are paying them is their income and not the money they earn from betting. They are even losing while betting just like almost all us all.

Just avoid them or you will learn in the hard way because at the end, you will only noticed that they are scammers after they have scammed you.

Anyone who pays a tipster to give them games for betting cannot be considered as a gambler and is likely to lose both ways (that is, losing the bet and also losing the amount paid to the tipster). But i don't even know why some people are so blinded to depend on a tipster for games to bet on because what these people does is to publish previous bets that their predictions worked on and some people will just believe that they will continue bringing out predictions that will likely win. Before someone can become a gambler he should be able to make predictions for himself, whether he wins or losses. Instead of even paying tipsters for games to bet, it is even better to take predictions from other gamblers and maybe just scrutinize each of their predictions and add to your bet.

Nah, I will never do that. If the bet loses, which is likely to happen, you’re basically losing twice with one bet. While you lose, they make a profit or at least break even because of the payments from bettors. If they were really profitable, their services would have already trended. Surely, if that were the case, bettors would have flocked to them by now. So, just do your own analysis and make your own predictions. After all, they’re still just predictions after analyzing, and luck will still play a part in the end.

There's already a thread about the tipster you can see here. Do you use "tipsters" when placing your bets? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5564192.0)

It's just an alibi they say to help others but in reality they sell tipster to others who believe in them, usually in certain telegram channels offering tipster services for those who believe.

So I'm not sure about the tipster.

That should be last thing  any responsible gambler should do as they are not real, reason being that no one would see where Milk and Honey and is flowing and will like to call the next person to come join and milk with them, instead they wouldn't mind calling their relatives first to come join them before they could think of outsiders to come join them. In rarity, they can never be sure of the outcome and even though they have tried their hands severally and have winning but to any games they gives out they are not sure of the outcome so, it is left for you the gambler to know whether you would be with huge amount, or pay them.

I will never pay tipsters for sports betting predictions because football is a game of uncertainty, and nobody has the ability to foresee what will happen in the future, so paying tipsters for sports betting predictions is just a waste of time and resources because there's a big possibility that their predictions will go sideways.

I didn't know what a tipster was before, but from what I understand, it's a group or individual who sells strategies to sports bettors. Although these tipsters' goal is to make a profit, I think the odd thing is, as you said why would they sell strategies when they can place bets themselves and increase their chances of winning?
Regardless, to increase your chances of winning in sports betting, I think it's better to do it yourself by seeking in-depth information to increase your knowledge and improve your analysis. This will provide additional knowledge. However, I don't think paying a tipster provides any knowledge. It might provide some, but it's not worth the effort.

I guess every sane bettor knows this is nothing but a scam. I have tailed a few of these scammers' picks in this past. Some won, some lost. It was all for fun. Nothing big was staked. You must have noticed these scammers sometimes pop out of nowhere here on the forum. But I never subscribed to their paid tips. I never payed a tipster for a signal that's not even reliable. I can make my own analysis. I'm not running out of odds to bet on. It's just the money that's always limited.

There is no much different from the games predicted by this tipster and the game predicted personally, just that most people believe that the prediction made by this tipster are more accurate  than their personal prediction and it make this tipster feel more important and they make money from it. I guess if people don't patronize this tipstar they wouldn't feel like they are offering help to others.

I will say both, they offer help to people who profit from them, but make off money from bettors who are desperate to win. Because people will view them differently, a person that wins huge from prediction made by tipstar will see them as good people who are professional, but those that lose in the process will view them as otherwise.

Hold your horses!
There are legit tipsters, for god's sake there are tipsters that are actually employed by sports channels and newspapers.

There is a huge difference between no name scammers on Telegram and actual real-life persons like Rob Wright, who has been doing this for The Times for 20 years
https://www.horseracing.net/tipsters/the-times/rob-wright

Just because some services are scam it doesn't mean that every tipster is a scammer
Tom Segal - works for racing posts, tipster for 10 years, 10% PLA for the last 5 years
Hugh Taylor - attheraces, been around even longer than that, positive ROI since 2014!!

Some of them are not literally just doing it to help others but rather to have more profit than what they already have, people are paying them for their insight not just on what they think will be the winning team. Personally I don't have problem paying a tipster if they are really reputable and the results of their predictions were quite good but those tipster are not 100% accurate and a lot of tipster were actually just after the money of others. A lot of good tipster doesn't really ask you to subscribe and they are sharing their thoughts for free.

I'm wondering if anyone here have subscribed to a tipster service and what are the results as of now?

I will not pay to get betting signals from someone else. Besides, Tipsters also will not guarantee that their signals will always be accurate, and if there is a loss, they will not compensate for our bets.
If someone is truly an expert in predictions, I am sure they would not sell their predictions for their own profit. It's clear that by doing such things, they are running a business.

Shame on them for using the words “help others”.. there’s no such thing as free in this world, especially on the internet. Information can be free, yes, but if it promises guaranteed money, then it’s clearly a scam. Tipsters are everywhere, even the ones who sound so convincing. They talk well, but their tips aren’t consistent. You pay the price, they take the profit, and you carry all the risk.

Even if there are a few profitable tipsters, it doesn’t mean it’ll last forever. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to build your own skill and knowledge. That way, you won’t have to rely on anyone and you won’t get scammed again.

I see those that make deposits for upfront gambling as somewhat naive and stupid thing to do, most especially those that registers on certain predictions site or groups and pay fees to get game's predictions as sure odds when you already know that there is no such thing as sure odds in sports betting so those paying tipster to get access to winning odds are just deceiving themselves and wasting their money when they should already know that gambling winnings such as sports betting cant be pre speculated to win.

I understand that some of us prefer to use tipsters perhaps due to the fact that they aren't good with predictions which is normal, but what I can't really understand is why they would pay for tips when they can get it on different platforms for free...I feel like people that do this just lacks information, paying for predictions is a waste of money because there are no guarantees of winning those games you paid to get.

Interesting, so there really are some profitable tipsters out there. But since they’re already popular and probably big names in their field, I’m curious, do you have any idea how much they usually charge for a subscription to their service?

Also, do they have any social media channels or platforms where we can actually verify their results or profitability?

It would be good to see some proof before trusting what they claim.

Ask yourself, why would someone need to take money from others, when they could just use those tips themselves? Why would they choose to use their free time to beg money for their in the internet?

These are fraudsters, who are making their money with referral links / affiliate marketing / paying subscribers. It doesn't even matter if they are altcoin influencers or gambling tipsters, as their methods are same: They will slowly start to remove all their past tips that didn't win money, and they use that modified track record as proof of results.

Newbie would provably do that, but me? I don't think so since I always think that premium tips is just waste of resources.

There's no assurance that we could able to pull consistent win with those predictions they drop. Also much better for us if we do our research since for sure this is more better since we could learn lot of things with this.

I always think that people paying those kind of services are desperate to win huge. But unfortunately they realize late when they know that they are just been fooled by those people saying they are expert.

Sometimes they do that because bet company is not their fathers property,they are not the once paying some giving you tips is better if you actually meet the right source it's so good ,I remember buying games from them,I have won countless times with their games,so they are actually gold ,that's if you meet the right onces

They don't charge anything, both are employed by the said sport channels:
https://www.racingpost.com/authors/tom-segal/
https://www.attheraces.com/tips/atr-tipsters/hugh-taylor

For at the races you can check their statistics since 2009 like this:
https://www.attheraces.com/news/hugh-taylor---2013

Racing Post does have a premium tipster package, but it comes with TV replays, all the data like sales and bloodstock,  so it's a multi-purpose thing, it's used also by buyers, breeders and sponsors, not just gamblers.

I used to pay for tipsters, but after getting scammed once, I stopped using their services completely. Trust me, most of them don’t actually want to help you they just want your money and disappear afterward.

Think about it if their system could really guarantee profit, why would they sell it to others instead of using it themselves? Most of them just take advantage of people’s desperation and lack of knowledge.

A friend of mine used a paid site few months ago even though I warned him not to. Due to desperation he needed some funds to clear up.an important bill so decided to pay to get 3 odds, he trusted the games he got and staked high on it, at the end of the day it became a double loss to him because he lost the bet. Paid tips is a scam, I wonder why people still fall for it, just look for sites where predictions are free.

I'm pretty sure the answer for many persons would be no, but I don't take it to be completely true because many persons here will be influenced to pay a tipster who has results that they can verify from other gamblers, especially those they know, just so that they can be able to increase their chances of winning in sports betting. It is very similar to people who subscribe to signal groups for trading, and most of them will do so when they discover that the particular signal group they're subscribing to is a signal group that many persons have positive testimony from and that convinces them.

It is a little number of gamblers who would have information about a tipster who is good at betting, probably winning more bets than they are losing, and will still have the resolve to ignore them.

Paid tipsters are just another version of gambling illusion they sell hope not certainty most of them don’t even have a working system they just throw random predictions that sometimes hit and sometimes don’t then use the few wins to market themselves harder they know that desperation makes people blind to logic so they promise accuracy or “fixed insider info” and people fall for it thinking they’ve found a shortcut. If these tipsters were truly that good they wouldn’t need to sell their predictions because the profit they could make by betting privately would be far more than what they earn from subscribers the truth is their business isn’t about betting it’s about selling dreams to those who can’t handle the uncertainty of gambling.

I’ve seen people like your friend who trusted those “VIP tips” and ended up losing twice first by paying for the tips and second by losing their actual bet money it’s a painful way to learn but that’s how most people eventually realize that no one can consistently predict sports outcomes not even professionals who analyze for a living. Free prediction sites are at least better because you’re not losing money just for advice but even then you shouldn’t rely on them blindly if someone really wants to be good at betting they should spend time learning how to read stats manage bankroll and control emotions because no tipster can replace that experience and discipline that’s what separates gamblers from consistent bettors.

No. Not really unless I am desperate for a win and whenever I am desperate for a win then it usually ends in a loss because gambling doesn't care about your feelings.

This is the same questions that I have asked over and over again. But they just want more money. Some of them don't even bet. They just use the money paid to them for themselves rather than betting. And they live in past glory.

Believing in the tipster these days are so dumb. If they tipster were always winning, their main job would be betting, not being a sales that sold inaccurate prediction. Just it!

Do you think that there is a guarantee that paying tipster and follow their prediction will improve chances of winning? No, right?
Tipster is basically just a regular gambler who make prediction on sports, maybe because they have good results in their gambling history then they started to offer a service of providing tips.
Trust them? I have to say 50;50 as I dont even want to pay tipster just for betting on sports.
Tipster may help for those who have less knowledge about sports, help those who are willing to bet on sports but has no clue what to bet and maybe help those who know sports well but these gamblers want other's opinion as comparison.

Many scammers are online claiming to be an expert in sports betting prediction but they are just deceiving their follower or customers and maybe they could even be depending on another trusted tip platform for prediction. Why bettors must not trust them is because it's difficult to find a good one that is not scam and secondly the good ones are doing analysis to come up with those prediction that they sell to people but I can do my analysis on my own, why pay them if I can do what they are doing. I had intentions of subscribing to them when I newly started betting but I didn't because they have many scams going on with them.

I wouldn't pay any tipster, and even if they offered free tips, I wouldn't use their service. Look, it's not because I consider the tipster a scam, that's not it. I've seen honest tipsters who offered good advice; I don't remember their YouTube channels anymore, but I know they are honest, professional people.

My point in not using tipster services, even if they were free, is that I prefer to rely on myself to analyze the games. It's much better to trust myself. That way I don't become dependent on other people, and I enjoy analyzing the games. I think it's more fun when I analyze the games and manage to get them right.

If it were to be that gamblers are 100% guarantee to win a bet if they use the predictions of a tipster, and there are gamblers who are using the predictions of a tipster to place their bet, it is not enough reason not to consider them as gamblers because there is a likelihood that they don't know how to predict sports betting; they are only trying to find a way to beat the system and earn money from it.

No.
Because they need more profit. The more money they accumulate from fooling people or making them believe they can actually predict better than themselves, the more they’re going to want to work as tipsters.

Only those who are not confident in their own bets and analysis would want to go for a tipster.

I would say that tipsters are simply making money off gamblers who are desperate for a win, well, maybe not all tipsters but majority of them actually.
And to be honest though, if I was to answer the question on the subject of this thread, I would say why not?, If it happens that I found a legit tipster who is indeed genuine and gave me a good guarantee that I would win all of his or her sports tips, with almost zero chances of failure, and there was actually a legitimate way to verify this claim to ensure that it's the absolute truth, I would definitely pay the tipster for his or their sports tips to enable me be profitable in my sports betting endeavours.

Because the truth remains that I usually don't have the time most of the time to carry out any form of research, perform any form of analysis to determine matches and teams that could turn out as winners, so if I find a tipster to do all of this and offer me even a 90 percent win rate, I will pay so long as the amount they take as payment still leaves me with good profit at the end of every bet.

Yes and no. Mostly because making prediction is part of the fun.
Secondly because these are always bets and other than hints there is nothing more. No one would ever waste too much in a siingle bet (how it should be...)
I would say yes because there are some service that can grant a small profit (it's better you're investing in some bonds etc etc...)

They don't help. Tipsters are what they are, business influencers. They give games that sometimes win and at another time lose. What I have even noticed about them is that they give games that are easy pick. That is, the games that are likely going to win and with low odds. So why won't a gambler try themselves with those low odd games instead of subscribing to tipsters that classify the categories to belong for different payment strata. For example, the VVIP subscription is higher than VIP and other lower levels like that. Tipsters have not been useful and I don't think I have subscribed to it except trier version.

Honestly, those who use tipsters for gambling are not actually gamblers, they are actually cheaters. But the funny thing here is that they themselves are victims of scams. Because most of the tipsters are fake. But there are definitely some legit tipsters.(And they are bug gambler also)

In my case, I definitely will not use that tipster, because I bet mainly for fun to argue with friends. So while betting, I will take care that I do not become a victim of a scam myself.

It must be a guaranteed call for me to spend money on such thing, I bet that's never going to be the case and that's why I will never do this, there is nothing more foolish than buying hope from someone thing you got it under control, those tipster are just like people who sell Bitcoin miners, they get paid for their job and you are the one that will go and face struggle.

You are unfortunately left with if it will work or not, it is stupidity 100%

Haha, you are completely correct ! Most of these supposedly professional tipsters are just hyping things up &  not doing much else. If someone had a winning system where they could beat the bookmakers in the longrun, they wouldnt be spending their time offering 20 dollar betting tips memberships, LoL,,  :D they would be busy making money and building their winnings !

Sure there are some real analysts out there however  90 % of them are basically running on betting odds that lose over and over again. In my opinion, tipsters can only make you discipline &  maybe use information however cannot guarantee a sure win. Betting is a combination of skill &  proper planning

You should clarified what kind of tipster you are referring because there’s a legit and scam tipster out there. Scam/fraud tipster was introduced because there’s a legit tipster that provides legit service.

Tipster get profit from their subscribers in exchange for their effort for providing thorough analysis for a quality bet.

Real tipster actually help but sadly there’s a lot of scammer that makes the image of tipster in general becomes bad. I don’t use this service because I don’t frequently but if I will find a legit tipster then why not.

May gamblers don't really care about things like this, so long they are able to make the profits on the long term. Those so called sport betting signal groups are just there to make money of each subscriber. You see some people after paying to get the signals would begin to complain about not getting what they actually want from the group. If we use this kind of mindset in gambling, we might end up losing too much not only to casino, but even to scammers claiming to be experts. There's nothing like having a perfect game, all games are on probability and honestly if you understand how to analyse data, you would be able to call your games your self and not depend on others.

That's actually the point. If these tipsters are selling out their tips to anybody to earn money. Why they can't just do it on their own and be selfish making themselves rich. There is no point in helping others if it doesn't work for them. They might show screenshots of how good their bets and calls are but it could be modified just for the sake of showing how successful they are to entice the potential victims of theirs. As much as I want to believe in it, but for me is to see is to believe before I'll try and gamble with a couple of dollars with them. And, if they can't make themselves rich with it, those tips to make someone's winning rate increase is not real.

In reality, those who give such messages do not even know which team will win or who will win. They give a idea after researching and reviewing it. If the prediction is right, gamblers win and start trusting in it, and when they lose, they realize that it is unreasonable to spend money on buying tips. If those who share tips and if that would not be effective then they will not be harmed, the ordinary gambler will be harmed the most. That is why they can give those tips without fear. I will never spend money on buying those tips or trust any tipsters.

The wins the tipsters portray are always too nice to see on their channels - twitter and telegram is a big hub for such services, it's quite controversial how these subscribers go with them despite losing on most occasions. The relief of analysis and research these tipsters offer the players could be worth the premium subscription. Other than that, nothing is fascinating about their services.

Good tipster or bad, if both requires you to pay for tips, it doesn't make any difference.

I don't take bets from tipsters even if i see them most times trying to sell, i cannot evaluate their success rating from selling tips since i don't partake in paying for them, but at an angle considering that each payment given to them are non-refundable and the tips are not certain of happening, makes me believe they are making money off from those who are desperate.

A good tipster is one who gives out tips without demanding money, as long money is in exchange, the narrative changes. Why take money for an outcome you can't be sure about?

They might have better knowledge about the sport but honestly the accuracy of their prediction will be more or less in the range of yours then what is the point of spending money on something that is not going to increase your win.

Let's say they know who is going to win then they wouldn't sell anything for few buck because they can make that money for themselves alone by wagering all their life savings on it, Will that person interested to make such claim? If he does then it's worth considering or it's just wasting your money.

Reading the subject title, what we suppose to get if it's not for profit?

If there's a legit tipster which make me profitable after I follow their prediction, I would pay them. Why not right? we're willing to pay school fees and tuition fees as long as the teacher taught us to understand the subject and the ending is we want to earn money after graduate from school.

If someone not want to spend money for skill, I don't think they should go to school in the first place, instead they should became a child labor.

I would only consider to take tips from a tipster who is reputable enough and using money which I would be willing to let go. Otherwise, paying for a tipster is pretty much a bad idea, as you say, someone who could do millions of dollars by his own does not need people's money to get whatever he wants.

most tipsters out there who ask for money in exchange of information are just plain scammers who do not have any other source of income, many of them would even give completely opposite tips to two different group bettors, so they will continuously remain as a flawless predictor in the eyes of a selected group, which inevitably will get asked more and more money for information.

As a rule of thumb: stay away from people asking for money in advance on the internet.

Let's think for a moment logically, if a tipster is really effective and accurate in providing prediction information, their analysis in sports betting, of course they will place bets for themselves, logically I have never seen a human being who doesn't like money.

For me, a tipster doesn't need to be paid to provide information to us and who guarantees wins and losses, no one.

First of all, when you only hear about winning, and you are never told about losing, that is selection bias. keep in mind, those who are only told success stories become overly optimistic about their chances of winning & as a result, they tend to make risky decisions.

Look, real bettors who actually make money dont blindly buy tips, they keep track of their money, analyze the data, accept losses & live normally when there are no big wins

So, bro, its not really smart to pay a tipster just to win. Unless they can show a clear record of winning & losing, dont take their suggested picks on faith but use your own knowledge

I cannot pay a tipster for betting tips, there is no need for it when I know that what I need to win is luck, no matter how accurate a statistics is there is chances that it won't play out as planned in a future game. Even if I get a tip for free I cannot totally depend on it, I have to do my own analysis before I decide how to place my bet. I don't believe in gambling professionalism, despite all your skills you can still get it wrong and that is why I don't rely on any tipsters to win. Common sense dictates to me that if anybody is very accurate about gambling wins they will not advertise themselves, they will stay low key and be collecting wins till they are super rich.

The idea is to take your money and walk away with it, because most times those predictions never come to pass and for majority their have been losses much more than the winnings, so we are left with the fundamental questions of what really be the need to rely on those tipster when we know the eventually it will not go well, no approach have the capacity to predict the results of matches before their are played.

Sometimes you can’t really blame people for being to reliant on these tipsters, most of those people who provide those tips often hype the effectiveness of their product and those who are naive often fall for it, forgetting that these folks don’t have superpowers or some sort of special abilities to predict the future, because that’s exactly what it requires to be able to make accurate predictions. No one knows for sure what the outcome of a game would be which is why I’d rather depend on my own analysis.

No, I won't do that, lots of people have been deceived through that means and I won't like to be their next victim, you've already said that "if it’s that accurate, they wouldn’t need to rely on subscribers", and that's just it. I'll rather prefer losing my money to the bookies through my self predicted games than being deceived by a tipster, and still loose more money to the bookies, gambling is strictly by luck and there's no such thing as sure odds, if it were sure those tipsters won't be selling it for profit but use it to their own advantage to make more wealth for themselves.

I do not trust nor will I pay someone that has an inflated sense of his importance as well as his so called ability to correctly predict games. On the claim that these tipsters collect money from individuals to give them his opinions on the outcome of games to help others or to their system(whatever that means) is laughable.
Their tips may be right sometimes, giving the impression of "his vast expertise in predicting winning games as well as his willingness to help people win*, but they're mostly there to make money off desperate and ignorant bettors who would be mostly swayed by how well he advertises himself.
Anyone that trusts a tipster does so at their own peril.

Well, if they have a good track record, they could attract people who can copy their bets and then profit like a subscription service. You can't blame people who want to earn more by selling their picks because they could do it themselves, like you said, but earning more sounds better to them.

Indeed, if they are going to get people, they would have a disclaimer that it's not always 100% accurate, but that's life. It is understandable.

Personally, I would do that if I have no time to study for the sports I am going to bet on. I will buy a subscription.

I am better than a tipster in predicting the type of option i like. I won’t be comfortable paying a tipster to predict games for me knowing that it still possible my chances of winning will not be improved.
Ai prediction has reduced tipster’s business and now they are owing Ai prediction projects that requires payment.
My take is that Tipsters will not help you to win, you should not pay them and still pay to play the game that you may not win.

One simple truth about this is that those gamblers that are actually making a lot of money from gamble will never come in public to sell their codes. First of all if they are actually good as they say, they will have the boldness to borrow some money to gamble and win then repay the money they have borrowed. They are just fake and looking for desperate gamblers who are looking forward to win big through gamble. Thos3 who say they are tipster are scammers, they are not anywhere to help anyone except scam desperate gamblers.

Paying a tipster is just a way of giving out money to people for free, most cases no effort was put into the predictions they sell out to bettors, they just copy from others and call themselves punters. If these people really had the means to make infinite amount of money from betting they wouldn't come online to start selling games to people just to make money. You can't be profitable in sports betting through paying tipsters, you are wasting your money because when you lose the bet it becomes a double loss to you. Learn to analyse games by yourself

Truth be told, Yes. I have done something like that before and funny enough I got scammed, though the amount wasn't that much just $1 I just decided to try some luck to see if that would work. I know it might end badly but I just decided to take the risk since the amount is very much affordable, if it's $5 and above I wouldn't have tried it I know $5 is not a huge amount of money but I wouldn't want to risk it for something I'm not sure if they're going to share the code or not. After this experience I have never thought of buying tips online because it is assume that they are all scammers.

I wouldn't ever pay someone for picks because then if you lose you'll find yourself blaming someone else.  That is never a recipe for success.  It is best to be responsible for your own actions, that way if you lose you only blame yourself.  It goes both ways too.  If you win big you want to be able to say that you are responsible for your own success.  You don't want to say that you owe everything to someone you paid to tell you what to do.  That sounds lame.

I think those who come up with such services are more likely to cheat the public. In this day and age, where there is money to be made, no one wants to miss out on that opportunity, but the way tipsters behave, if they can predict the outcome of the game accurately, why can't they become rich? If they really knew, would they ever share those tips? So those who trust them and give them money are definitely making a mistake. They lose their money.

Many people simply shift responsibility, so that if they lose, they can say they're a terrible forecaster and that they made the wrong prediction. At the same time, these players forget that they're not ready to take responsibility for their bets. I've never understood this; for me, the real interest lies in deciding what, when, and how much to bet on. I find it fascinating to test my strategies in practice and see the results. Of course, at some point, I dream of saying my strategy is winning, not that someone told me what to do and I blindly followed it. That's of no interest to me.

Help indeed! These tipsters make their money from selling these tips. If actual gambling was profitable for them, they wouldn't sell the key/secret to their financial freedom to random persons. Those who won with those tips were just lucky. Just like everyone else, those tipsters are merely predicting the outcome of events. To increase their chances, they try to analyse it critically, gather sufficient knowledge so they can improve their predicting skills.

They're of two categories, we have those really helping and then we have those taking advantage of dumb gamblers and mind you the second category are more common than the first and that's why people will always advice you not to believe any tippers because of numerous occurrence of people getting scammed. I don't believe in them but I won't mind getting some free games to try out because I believe some people luck are just better than others. I once know of someone that can get lucky when he picks games randomly than when he wants to analyze as it won't work for him. Those lucky guessers aren't professional so we should be careful who we choose to believe.

Mine isn't not even for money, I have follow some big gamblers and what I have realized those guys do underground need the intervention of police. Most guys you see online that makes money from gambling aren't really gambling, maybe partly but their main focus is taking money from their online class, just like the way some forex traders do lie to them student and followers, they don't tell them the truth and continue to give them money for tips.

I have understand gambling for one thing which a tipster will not love you more than they love theitself. That money you are trying to make from them, they will make it for their own pocket. If you pay them so up can make money, it's going to favor them, if you make fail that one is for you. It's better to be yourself and don't depend on all these fake tipster, if it's that good they will never share it with the public.

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Yes, if he can make me profitable in the long run. But if he is just improving my chances of winning, the answer is no... But how are we supposed to know what's going to happen? How does anyone know?



My take is simple... many so-called tipsters are making money off bettors and their wish to be more profitable, but there are good ones as well, some of them don't even ask for money.

There's this guy I've been following for a while, and he is pretty successful. I almost paid to join his premium group... it was pretty cheap, but I missed the chance. Maybe next time...


Why not? But before you jump into it, make sure you are not making a mistake... Do some research at least, follow him for some time before you make a move, and never risk more money than you can afford to lose. And one try & some money will not ruin your life if it turns out to be a wrong move, but if you did your research good, it can play well for you in the end.


It's all gambling in the end... nobody knows what will happen, but if we don't try & take a risk we can't win. And what about missed chances? With just a bit more faith, we could claim the profit. So just relax, play with the money you can afford to lose, and everything will be fun & games.

Your questions are just reminding me those signal providers for trading purposes. There cannot be any proper justification for why they are doing this, at least in my opinion.

Talking from the point of myself if I am a knowledgeable person on predicting the sports events, honestly I will not go for selling my predictions but I will try to convert my knowledge into money by betting on reputed platforms. When I will go selling my prediction? When I am not having enough confident on the accuracy of my predictions, I may go selling it to other better instead of risking my own money.

I am not saying this is the case for all the tips providers but as I could not imagine what would be the real case so just stating, what if I would have done if I am able to generate tips for upcoming sports events.

It is never easy to trust random people online, but most times few of these tipsters gives correct bets, because a friend of mine who used one of these tipsters, on 5 consecutive sport bets, they where all successful, so I tried to use this same tipster, on the first try with half of the bargain, it entered, but the next failed, and wiped out my funds. I also fell victim for those ones available on Telegram; with after first and second trials to no positive results, since then, I never want to see any of them.

Nope.


I have this intense distrust of people generally, even more with tipsters because as you mention, if they were so good, they wouldn't have to sell their picks.


Lol, help, my ass.


They are there to make money for themselves to make up for losses they incurred by sports betting.

I will definitely not pay a dime upfront for a gambling because I already know that, this is gambling and anything can happen, as such no wan can guaranty me a 100% win, if a tipster must request for money for their tips then they must have to agree on percentage sharing after each successful win and not asking for upfront payment and to be frank, the moment I get a tipster asking for upfront payment, I just feel some negativity and so far so good, I have pay some close attention to several telegram groups and channels that give out daily predictions, while some ask for upfront payment, some do not but at the ed of the day, doesn’t that don’t ask for payment in the general group, also ask for payment for people to join their vip groups which simply means that, the tactics and techniques are changing regularly but in conclusion, I will not pay for tips.

Why would I do that, paying money to a second party to bet means I am ignorant about it and if I have no knowledge about it then I should not bet. What does it take to bet on sports, a good idea about different sports, you have a good idea about cricket, there is no problem, you bet on cricket matches, you have a good idea about football, there is no problem, there are a lot of football matches in a year, you bet on them. You trust the people you are paying money to and think that the predictions they will give you will actually happen, does that actually happen? Check carefully and see that they are ordinary people like you, but their tricks of cheating are different. Trust yourself and create your own strategy about sports betting, you will see that you can make good decisions about betting yourself.

Most of those tipsters are only scammers who are looking for ways to gather cheap funds for themselves. Sometimes the amount they charge for the games, you'll see they're only hungry people.

To further buttress my points, these guys gives the same games but different outcomes to different people and some people would win and pay again and others would lose their funds. Some guys also gives for pay after winning and if anybody wins they pay double for a next game that could likely lose.

Paying a tipster only makes sense if they’re fully transparent with results and staking history. Most paid tipsters rely on volume, not accuracy, you can often do better tracking your own data and odds movement. Still, some bettors use them to save time or get insights on niche markets.

Would you trust a tipster more if they shared verified records or used a subscription refund policy?

This is one of the valid point I also give them some categories because all never deserve to be paid just few one have things which are giving good benefit to peoples, and they are surely giving good service I also love to enjoy, but recently I am not able to took advantage of this.
Due to social media too many peoples are engaging in this even their performance is not good, but they are taking advantage of this and having good funds from newbies because their ads and niche are attracting newbies which are having greediness and always want to have good profit from their picks.
Sometime luck works, but now due to development many are using data and technology which helping them for having good picks analysis with history and data is also good because these things are increasing chances of wins and profit.

I agree, that's something to consider. We can pay people for betting profits, but when the results don't match, we might blame others for the loss. This shouldn't be the case in gambling. Besides, I'm not someone who likes hassle, so I wouldn't do that.

Besides, we can do it ourselves, through our own efforts. In my opinion, if you can do it yourself, then just do it yourself, don't ask for help from others.

Any of both will for sure, a tipster who has a means through which prospective clients can verify their performance over a set period of time can definitely gain some level of trust.
And also one who implore and used a verified refund policy which means that if the client lost money betting on their tip, the money lost will be refunded by the tipster, this type of tipster will also gain trust from prospective clients as well.

I have once meet a tipster online who claimed to be an insider on table tennis game and told me that for every table tennis match that is being played, he knows who would win.
He wanted to enter a deal with me, said he will give me game tips and I bet on them, after the match is over, I give him 50 percent of the profit and keep 50 percent myself, and that anytime any game tip he gave me loses, he would refund me back my capital, he didn't ask for any money for subscription, I agreed because it seemed like a good partnership..
But it didn't later work out because he said for each game he gives me, the minimum I can bet is $2000, I told him to bring it down to $200 since I can't afford risking such an amount of money on him at the very start of our partnership, he refused and said if it's not $2000, then I should forget about the partnership, I told him I wasn't interested and we both stopped talking 😂😂

From that, I conclude that luck still plays a role. And with your friend, whose bets were all successful because he was simply lucky, did he still pay the tipster for subsequent bets? And would the results still be profitable? I don't think it would last.

With your experience, even paying the tipster but with disappointing results, there's a double loss: first, your bets, which are clearly disappointing, and second, the money you paid the tipster. I don't think there's a money-back guarantee if the results don't match.

If a tipster's services increase my chances by 100% (or if they compensate me for my bet if their help proves useless), then I'm willing to pay them. :)

But you understand that's impossible.

I don't trust them one bit. You're absolutely right in your reasoning: if their services were "workable", tipsters would be quietly placing bets themselves and earning money without even mentioning it.

They sell their predictions to (surprisingly, huh? :)) make money! :)

A lie is always "very sweet". :)

I don't believe in "help" when it comes to gambling (money). In my view, tipsters are deliberate sellers of "air" (at worst) or advisors who lack complete information about the event, which also prevents them from maximizing betting accuracy (at best).

Giving them a tip isn't a problem, but the question here is whether there is a tipster you can trust. So why did they do this (sharing tips)? Because they don't find assurance in their analysis. 

Just to think, if the tips were right and they had a higher possibility of winning, they would put much money on it rather than taking money from others. Maybe, they will just ask if I win using their tips, which I could share with them. But if they ask for money first, I don't think so. I decline.

I think we should trust ourselves rather than trust these people.

What if you are not profitable and you see some tipsters are giving winning bets? still you don't want to follow?

This really depending on the bettor, for some others will follow but as long as the tipster is giving his tips for free, otherwise, it could be a scam if there's a subscription especially if the tipster is the one who will dictate how much you need to bet.

Paying someone to win something more seems like a scam to me.

What would be the difference with this from someone asking you to give them 10 bucks to get 100 bucks in return? Maybe they are good, but you should not trust someone to do your prediction where you are staking your own money on a game.

I know certain people might think the opposite but this comes from a root problem in our mindset of shifting responsibility to another person so that your stress reduces. Try predicting on your own and see how that is working out. Compare that with what a specific tipster is doing and see how much it is varying.

I think there's a specific reason for doing this. Perhaps these subtle touches while playing not only attract attention from others, but also create a subtle communication between the two. There's important information or a specific signal coming from the tip recipient.

We should focus and have something we can rely on while playing. Of course, tips aren't the only factor that will make us win, but good money management and self-discipline are crucial if you rely on them. You might lose concentration while waiting for a signal while someone else is playing.

I haven't had any experience like this, but I would be happy to do it. :D Paying a tipster to increase my chances of winning? I mean if that will make me profitable in let's say 10-20 bets then I'll share it to them as their reward. :D

Why rely on others you say? I guess they want to earn more money aside from the money that they're getting thru betting on their own bets. I mean like a side hustle. On the flip side, this might be a scam to others, and that's why if there's somebody here that will have this kind of experience then at least use only a small amount of money first in order to build trust and at the same time, you will take it as some kind of experiment where you will see if the tips of this person is accurate and will increase your chances of winning.

You might as well throw your money out the window.

Tipsters are just scammers who have convinced you that they know the outcome of something which is not possible to know. Unless the game was rigged, in which case anyone with such info would keep it for themselves or share it only with a tiny circle. But how realistic is that latter scenario? Not very. So if someone says they will give you tips in exchange for money, just assume it is a scam and chances are it 99.99999999% is a scam.

I agree with what you said. If they really know who or which is going to win, then there's no need to share it. They could easily make money out of their sources, and they would not need to offer it to anyone. They are not helping. They are obviously scamming.

That's why I don't believe signals or tipsters because the truth is they can use it, or if it's not allowed, then they can use their friends or relatives to do it for them. I doubt anyone would dig that deep into his connections, and there are probably gamblers in his circle who have also been doing it for a long time. So, it will not be questionable.

One thing to note is that if they can earn money from others by making their predictions right then why do they earn money by making predictions for others instead of betting themselves? Those who understand the answer to this question correctly will never depend on other people's predictions and give money. Where I can get money by selling predictions, why shouldn't I bet myself? It seems really strange when someone sells predictions.

Saw your post in the NBA betting thread, so I’ll assume you’re a tipster, but the good thing is you don’t charge fees, so you’re a good man. hehe..

But for those who advertise and claim to be profitable, even showing their records, it can be really convincing to people who are desperate to make a profit and no longer trust themselves to develop their own skills. They might end up falling victim to a scam, not saying all of them are scams though.

Tipsters manipulate results just to seek attention and in turn make profits. It should interest you to know that it is not actual betting or gambling that gives tipsters all the profits they make, tipsters make all their money from selling tips. Bettors or gamblers who patronize tipsters are at risk of losing both the money they spent on buying those tips from the stipsters and the actual money they will stake on that bet; that is if they are not lucky to win.

It feels good to trust your own strategy and be profitable from the strategy you developed yourself. That is why I will advice bettors to learn and improve their betting skills instead of relying on tipsters. At least, if they lose, they will know what went wrong and try to do better next time.

for me if someone has a proven track record shows verifiable results and explains their logic instead of just posting random pick then maybe it’s worth checking out especially if you’re still learning and want some guidance but most of the time I think a lot of these tipsters are just taking advantage of people who want easy wins. If they were really that good they’d probably just bet for themselves and keep quiet. I’d rather study the games, check stats and learn from experience than rely on someone who might just be selling hype.

Most tipsters are more interested in selling hope than actually winning bets they post flashy records screenshots of big wins and make people believe they have cracked the system when in reality they make their real money from subscriptions and selling picks not from gambling itself it’s a business model built on people’s desperation to win fast and their lack of confidence in their own analysis.

Some tipsters even create fake records or delete their losses before showing results so their success rate looks perfect which convinces even more people to pay for their so called “expert advice” it’s an easy trap to fall into because when someone is losing regularly they become vulnerable to anything that sounds like a shortcut to profit and tipsters take full advantage of that psychological weakness. Trusting your own process no matter how slow it feels is way more sustainable than chasing someone else’s “magic formula” at least when you use your own strategy you’re learning something real even in failure you understand what went wrong and can adjust next time while with tipsters you just end up depending on someone who may not even be betting for real.

Agreed—why would someone sell betting tips if they could just profit by betting themselves? Personally, I wouldn’t pay a tipster just because they claim to be good at what they do. No one on this planet has a crystal ball to predict the future.

Anyone boasting a high win rate is likely a scammer. Real sports bettors don’t brag about their winnings—they let their results speak for themselves. If someone claims to be skilled at betting, I’d rather observe their betting patterns and learn from them than pay for their picks.

No. I don't believe them. Because that's what drives me not to believe them. If they really understand the chances of winning on sports betting, why don't they place it themselves. One more thing, they don't actually show the results of the bets they predict. Even if there is, it's not real. It's just a way to convince the audience.

In sports betting, using your own analytical skills is more enjoyable for the results you will get, rather than using their predictions.
The closest example if their abilities are great, in the Champions League tournament which has been going on for two days, is how much they succeeded in their choices. Barcelona failed to win. Real Madrid lost. PSG lost.

Well, it's possible that they can post a good track record with verifiable results which was not actually won by them but all it was formulated just to deceive people to think that they are legit meanwhile they are not. Like you said, if they were as good as they make it look, they won't come online look for people that will buy prediction from them but will exploit bookies with those strategies of winning which they have got, they will even make sure to enrich all their family members and relatives, but unfortunately 99% of them are scammers who want to exploit vulnerable players.

That will be better because we can improve our analysis by learning and research. We don't just follow them to predict but we research from our sources. We will have many lists as our sources so we will have more hints that will help us to decide. But we can use their analysis as additional information to us so we will know more. We don't have to trust tipsters but focus to our analysis to find more clues. We don't know what their reason sharing their prediction but we just know that they are making money by selling their prediction.

With the expectation of a win, we pay the tipster, but the win isn't assured. Will the tipster take responsibility if the bet has lost? This means we're spending our money on a bet as well as to select the odds. This is how the tipster service works. In my view, rather than depending on someone else along with a fee paid, it is good to make our own analysis and select the odds. There are successful stories following the tipster, but we can't be sure of us being the same as others. With casino games luck plays a big role, whereas with sports betting data and knowledge related to the particular game matter a lot in winning the bet.

Depending solely on tipsters can be very very risky because their main goal might be profit, not accuracy. Doing your own research and analysis gives you more control and helps you understand the logic behind each prediction. Using their tips only as supporting information and not as the main source, and is definitely the right mindset. In the long run, this method builds experience, improves decision making, and helps you become more confident in your own judgment rather than relying on others.

I would pay money to a good tipster. I had a neighbour who was extremely good at it but I didn't need to pay to him, I had his account and I was checking his tickets, then I was copying them. Btw he really motivated me to watch soccer and other games very often, to read news about soccer teams, players and to become more analytical. Slowly, I became better than him. I was doing extremely well in sports betting but then I had to enter the University and I decided to focus on my studies because I don't think that betting or similar high risk activity is a good long-term choice.

This sounds a bit similar to financial services but without any regulation.

I think it's not really a great idea to pay someone else to give you a tip...

As you say, what if you lose?, they keep their money either way.

I have seen tipsters post games on their paid group and with so much confidence, asked their members to bet as much as they like because they feel the game wouldn’t cut and at the end of the day the game ended badly and those who actually went with the tipster words to bet as much as they like would have lost a fortune.

For me, I wouldn’t pay a tipster because their predictions are not 100%. The same way k would guess that’s how they’ll also guess and do their analysis so rather than paying them I’d just improve on mine, work consistently on it and see that I can predict and it would go as predicted.

I can't afford to pay them. Otherwise, I'm paying for scammers. Honestly, there are no tipsters who consistently help someone win. If they win, that's only a big coincidence, not because of their prediction. Even though it was free, I don't see it as necessary to deal with these people because if their prediction is right, they will keep it instead.

Many people claim to be experts and make their predictions. However, I never believe their expertise. Of course, they can read and analyze, but that doesn't mean they certainly know who is going to win.

Gamblers can be so funny from the kind of way they think sometimes, if gambling is not sure to win a bet when we play it, then why should I pay a tipster to help give a clue or predict for me on what i still stand a chance of losing, if it comes as a lose game, then I've just experienced it twice, including the amount paid to the tipster, I don't trust people that easily, that is why I will always still depend on my personal self than tipster to play my bet.

I'll check if it's a genuine tipster that has an enticing statistics. But I am not going to pay upfront if ever I want to avail the tips.

What I'll do and offer is about a profit-sharing scheme for which in every bet that will come from him, I'll fund it and we'll wait for the results.

If it turns out to be a profitable tip, I'll continue the setup and might offer him better commission. This is just the idea and I think that it's a win-win for me and the tipster if they are real.

No I wouldn’t do that because it would tie my success to that tipster’s ability to make winning bets. I’d rather spend money to learn his tricks by examining public data on the internet. I mean if he is making successful bets, he must have learned it from somewhere. I don’t think he is seeing the winning bets in his dream. If I can reverse engineer his thought process I can make the bets myself and the blueprint for knowledge will he mine forever.

Still though, I can’t blame anyone for doing that. If it pays and makes you happy, you can pay a tipster for his services. It is just I don’t like to depend on others in financial matters.

That makes sense, and I don't even know how much it costs to pay a tipster. But what you say is true. If they're so accurate in their predictions, why would they sell them?
Even if their goal is to make a profit, they simply need to bet and capitalize on their accurate predictions, because that's how they can make a profit, especially if they're consistent. But even if there are those who sell them, there might be other goals besides profit, but I'm not entirely sure what those are.

Ultimately, it all comes down to luck. Those who think they're experts at predicting, I suspect, are simply overconfident. While some might profit from their good predictions, it's unlikely they'd offer a prediction service.

Yes I would pay a tipster if they can wait for the game they predicted to be over first, there is zero sense in spending money on tipsters before the game starts, what  happens after is no longer their problem and they have already earned some money isn't it?

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Been a tipster is not code and program learning, this is not related to any knowledge/skills, they are looking for  desperate gamblers to make money from, I would rather keep risking what I can, when I can. Gambling is not the only way to have some fun with little amount of money, there are different ways.

The thing is that if someone genuinely has an advantage, why would they share that with others?

If that were you or me we would probably keep it as low key as possible.

Hopefully to be undetected because it would go away if casinos realize that.