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As I continue doing my research on how to win long term, I came across some info saying casual bettors usually make around 3–10 bets a day, while pros can go from 20 up to even 100 bets daily depending on their system and data.

So now I’m thinking maybe I’ll try to follow what the pros do and see what happens, just to test how much volume really matters in betting results.

How about you guys, do you also go for volume bets, or you belong more to the casual side and pick only a few plays per day?

Have you ever stopped to think that for pros, this is their job? If you want to become a pro, the first thing you have to do is become a casual long-term winner, and then, after some time, with a good bankroll, money saved, and having been able to withstand bad streaks, you can try to become a pro. It's not just about the volume of bets. Even though pros bet a higher volume, they research each bet more than a casual player does.

We can start small and go big, but remember that in gambling, you may not really be that casual or pro in it, what makes the difference lies in the results or achievements you have to show, therefore you should always think of this, because it's a game of luck and how knowledgeable you're in playing it, but your achievements over time goes a long way in telling if you're a casual or pro gambler as it may applies on you.

Is it gambling in casinos or betting like in sport like football betting?

Regardless of which one, I do not think 100 bets is possible in betting but still possible in casinos but I will not advise that at all for everyone.

Also regardless of which one, make sure you use small amount of money for it. Earning in gambling is very difficult and somehow should be considered impossible.

I get what you mean, but isn’t it logical to follow what the profitable bettors do? With volume betting, I also feel more relaxed like if I make 100 bets in a day and lose 50, it doesn’t really bother me much. But if I only make 2 bets a day and lose 1, there’s a big chance I’ll try to double my next bet just to recover. And if that one loses too, that’s when I start to lose control.

@Oshosondy --- it's sports betting (any sports yo love).

Not only this.  But a lot of pros lost more than they admit and have Credit Cards filled up to the edge.  Betting more may in fact be worse than betting less in some situations.  It is wise to stop betting if you are on a win streak because maths do not lie, statistically you will come closer to the chances in percentage the more bets you place.

But OP can try this out in a safe way.  If you bet 10 Dollars 10 times until now, lower the amount to 1 Dollar and roll 100 times.  Try it out a few days in a row.  See for your self, will it make you more?

The ones you consider as professional gamblers are basically experienced gamblers. They are  very experienced and have the ability to analyze data quickly. I even know many gamblers who are very experienced  in football and cricket. So many times they can give correct predictions without data analysis. This is mainly possible because of their  experience. Which will not be possible for gamblers like you and me.

I would say  you should be patient. What is the need to bet too much? I think you have not become experienced yet. So it is better for you to gamble less and less. As you gain experience gradually, you will also be able to bet 20+ daily.
However, I bet considering my financial  capacity. I do not believe in the idea that you have to bet a lot. It is possible to earn a large amount of money even by betting 3/4 times.

I don't believe in quantity but rather in quality, I can make a quality and have winning while someone who has voluminous bets still end up losing all without having an quality results or winning from his analysis. See, what I know is that if you give attention to few bets and do your analysis very well certainly there would be winning even thought your bets doesn't come 100 percent but at least you would be sure of 10-20 percent winning if you do your analysis carefully.

I am curious now.  Are these friends Rich?  If the answer is yes then how long have they been Rich for?  I know people who gamble 'professionally' and they show large wins but they never improved their living at all.  I do know some people prefer to sit in silence about their Wealth but knowing their personalities I doubt they would not show off at all and I rather think they are lying about their wins and success.

Why not treat it like research if you really want to experiment with paid options? Start with a small but consistent volume, record your results, ROI, and daily deviations. If your results remain positive after hundreds of bets, then scale up. Otherwise, you're only accelerating negative results, not increasing your chances.

With proper research on all games, volume bets could have some advantage since you are placing casting your nets is different areas. The shortcoming of placing up to 100 bets per day is that it might be time-consuming and stressful. Some proffessional gamblers see betting as a full time job, thus they spend all thier time and energy on analysing and predicting games. I dont think I have such spare time to put into gambling since I am enagaged in other things. For now, I am still a casual gambler who gamble more during weekends and holidays.

Bettors are all different. I bet once or two time in a week and on just one match or two matches. If I lost the match or matches, that is all for that week and it is during weekends.

You can give it a try but I see it like something that will take someone's time so much which is the reason I do not like it. There are some people that called themselves professionals that may not bet more than 1 or two times in a month but with high amount of money. All I know is that all strategies are risky because the bookies set the odds in a way that bettors will most likely lose money than win.

At the moment, I can only bet on a few matches, and not every day. There are issues with time and also the funds I allocate to be able to make that many bets. 
But I believe that those who have a fairly large amount of funds allocated for gambling can do it. Or starting with a small amount can also be done as a beginning. Let's say betting $1 on each bet. Making 20-50 bets would only spend $20-$50.

Having 20-100 bets per day would consume you a lot of time especially in the research part, I think those professional bettors do already know or do their research first hand before the date comes and I think you can't do it manually. In reality, it's possible to place 100 bets daily but unlike pros possibly your chance of winning is low. I'm curious now about you following the pros, do you have a thread where you can show the result of your experiment? Also, do you have idea what's the winning rate of those pros?

You can follow them, but I don't think you should expect to get similar results... AFAIK, most pros who place a lot of bets rely on a small group of reliable bettors to share their information and picks ^{[IMO, this is the most efficient way, since each one of them focuses on a few games]}.

I just analyze as much matches as possible for the next day. Next day if odds are ok and nothing changes - bet all i can. And analyze next day.
Monday-Thursday i made mostly between 5-20 bets. On weekend it was much more. Twenty bets was a bad day, more often was about 50, sometimes 70.

PS. But it was really difficult for me. I tried to combine with the main job and i hadn`t time for anything except job and betting.

It certainly increases the chance of winning, but I personally can't afford to place all these bets, I have a very low weekly budget and the number of bets is clearly limited.
Following those who bet so much is not a good idea for those like me who don't have the financial means to take on all these bets.
I don't know I wouldn't follow this "strategy" no matter how profitable you think it might be it doesn't belong to me.

100 bets a day? That sounds realistic only if you’re a full-time gambler. Most of us here still have jobs, so we can only spend a few hours capping the available games. If I tried doing 100, I’d probably just rely on gut feel, and I’m sure that wouldn’t end well, pros don’t do that. Maybe I’ll just start small and slowly increase. Who knows, if I actually succeed, maybe I’ll retire and go full-time as a sports bettor.  :D

Voluminous bet doesn't mean that you're a pro or it will increase your chance to make more money. Pros are rare to see in gambling so don't get it twisted because you might be on a mission to addiction. Have you thought about the consequences of gambling excessively. Gamble for fun and not for profits.

100 bets a day? for a pro?

I thought pros are people who are careful with the bets they place because they have to do analysis and research on the game that they are betting on. So what time is there for them to do their research especially in sports betting. But maybe this can be possible with casino games but however the game they go for, with 100 in a day means they don't have life outside betting.

So I don't believe pros will be able to place 100 bets a day on the average. I believe in results and not the volume of bets that the result won't really show that huge profit.

20 up to 100 bets daily? That is huge, but we all know that the number of bets might equate to bigger winnings and so that's why it separates the casual bettors from this so called pros. But I'm not sure though how can you make that bets daily, it could be very on different sports and so by that, at the early age this people might really love the sports so much that they went pro. But I don't know if I can go up to that kind of volume, and it's obvious that this pro bettors have spent a lot of hours daily trying to have that kind of volume and money to make it as income generator.

Pros are people that graduated from being casual bettors, right? While being casual bettor are you also make wins in many of your bets? You need to also compare your success rate as a casual bettor to the success rate of pros, to see if there's a match in it. If you are not winning consistently when you are only taking a few bets every day, there's also a chance that even when you are taking 100 bets a day, you can lose more money on the long run because you are not winning so many games. I'm a casual bettor who does not even place bet every day.

For casual bettor, If you are not making sufficient profits that you can be satisfied with from the numbers of bets you make on a daily as a pro, you will ultimately be increasing your losing streaks and amount of money you have been losing by opting to go into the pro grade.

Customarily, pro bettors are usually people that makes gambling as a source of their livelihood and they go at length to gather all necessary infos that keeps them up to fat with how they can regularly make profit and minimal losses, due to the volume of bets they make in a day, having consistent losing streaks can empty their hands real quick.

Are you will to bear the bigger cost of going pro with your gambling?

I think you should clarify what kind of bets you're talking about. If it's slot spins, there could be a lot. If it's betting, I imagine there are professional players who may place no more than two bets a week, but they still place large bets. For this type of player, placing multiple bets every day would be difficult and would likely only hurt their stats, because more doesn't necessarily mean better, especially when you're tired.

This is just like saying you wanna try the martingale strategy but o see where it leads you when you already know the answer to that. Pro or regular gamblers, each one has their own unique strategy and approach, and if you attempt copying that of another without first considering if you both have the same individual factors then you’ll be sure that you might end up in disappointment. Just stick with whatever that works for you and don’t try copying someone else cos it might not end well.

Don’t you realize OP’s just trying to copy because he hasn’t found a method that actually works yet?

I mean, who wouldn’t want to copy if there’s a proven strategy? The closest example we have are the pros as they treat sports betting like a real job, putting in time, effort, and knowledge to build their own systems. So imo, copying their work ethic makes sense if you’re aiming to be like them. But if not, then don’t even bother.

I've even heard that pros allegedly make hundreds of bets a day. I don’t know if this is true or not, but if it is, I can explain it by the fact that they make a lot of live bets or just bets on outcomes where the odds change. Roughly speaking, their ultimate goal is to have a ton of guaranteed bets, even with small winnings (half or a quarter of a percent). This can be considered analogous to grid trading or high-frequency trading. I have neither the desire nor the technical ability to do such things, so I prefer regular betting. If I see a value outcome, I place a bet.

Or maybe OP is sorting for a more effective strategy that may most likely guarantee more win. You’re right about one thing, the pros are the closest example to gamblers who possess these kind of strategies (or so we believe) but what’s the actual guarantee that you’ll have the same results that they get at the end of the day? Remember, these people have acquired a long time of experience, they know the potential pitfalls and maybe how to avoid them, so most of the times, it’s not about the strategy but the experience and knowledge.

You only know that pros make up to what? 50 to 100 bets a day, do you know the kind of games they bet on? Or when they decide to bet? Or whether they decide to cash out and rebet… these and many others are things that should be taken into adequate considerations before deciding to copy someone’s strategy…

I think they’re using some kind of system, like a program that processes all the data and gives out game predictions. If they were doing everything manually, that would take too much time and kill the fun out of it. I saw a video online about some so-called successful sports bettors, maybe that’s what they’re using too. But I’m not really sure since I haven’t bought or subscribed to their service yet… still got my doubts about it.

That's called AI now. The professional sports bettors could have used this technology to make their prediction much better because AI can processed data in seconds. That's why right now it's very easy for them to put a high volume bet like into the 100's.

And maybe even non sports bettors can built this kind of tools specially if they are in the AI industry. But for us, we don't go that far, maybe we are just happy to put a stake like 3-5 per game in let's say NBA.

Professionals may employ a strategy of searching for “forks” or some other similar strategy focused on exploiting flaws in the bookmaker's system. In this case, they can place a huge number of bets. However, if one plays with in-depth analysis, it will not even be possible to consider many events for betting. Unless the analysis is automated, for example, using a configured neural network. In general, in each individual case, you need to understand why professionals play this way, rather than just trying to repeat after them without knowing all the details.

If you are doomed to lose in any day, it does not matter how many bets you place, you will still lose that day. You many win some bets but when you add your total about spent and what you win, you will arrive at a loss. I'm not a supporter of over gambling that is why I will not support your statement that the pros place so many bets in a day. Just do your analysis carefully and bet on what you have analyzed and not on too many bets because your will be losing your winnings in surer games in those games you are not sure of which you may bet just to fulfil your quota of many bets. 3-5 bets a day is enough so that your winning will be bigger since you bet with higher amount if the bets are few.

We can actually learn their ways if we start following them. As long as we’re improving little by little and seeing some positive progress, that’s already a good sign. It’s all part of the learning process, we just keep going until we reach our goal. Nothing’s impossible, especially if we believe that not all gamblers are losers… it’s just that most of us are.

I believe they’re not just focused on one league. They bet across different ones..  NBA, NHL, NFL, and MLB, all the major leagues.

I just found out now that placing bets in large amounts is called a volume bet or casual bettor, it's a little interesting to talk about, whether I realize it or not, I've done it.

The bets I have placed include at least 6 matches.
• FC Bayern Munich vs. Arsenal
• Azerbaijan vs. Islandia
• Norwegia vs. Estonia
• Inggris vs. Serbia
• Irlandia vs. Portugal
• Prancis vs. Ukraina
The average match schedule will take place on Friday 14/11.

I often do this kind of method, of course I win above the average, usually out of the six bets I place, 2 may lose, on all occasions that have passed.

Yes, I don't follow professionals, I am a professional myself, if it's a streak I admit that.

I don’t doubt this but there’s also every possibility that you might never get to learn their strategy after all. Gambling isn’t like some trade or business or investment that’s just easy to copy someone’s strategy. I believe it’s pretty much harder (not impossible though).

If there’s one thing I know about those who are considered to be pros, it is the fact that they’re fearless, they have faith in their strategy and they’ve always got a huge bankroll, which gives them somewhat of an advantage, plus, they have that full confidence that even if they lose a couple of times, they’ll also win, and maybe get to recover their losses. But someone who’s only copying them may not really have this same level of confidence, and that could mean trouble for them along the way.

Does it really matter how many games or how many times you play? It is even desperation that makes someone to bet multiple times in a day. If you are unsure of what to play just why not relax, check on previous games and get   some experience and knowledge of how the matches went so you can good forecast for the bet you want to do.
In as much as its is greed that is making you do that  it is also a huge waste of money. It is these type of gamblers that are so addicted to the point of selling their properties and go in to just to get more money to gamble.

That's exactly how am seeing it. It is definitely desperation that can only make a gambler to be placing multiple bet a day. It doesn't matter how many times or the numbers of times we placed between may not actually make any difference because it is possible to have same results even with multiple bets. Without an element of luck the numbers of times we bet won't make any difference. So being a casual players or a pro won't make any difference to me if the gambler isn't being lucky.

Following professional bettors also requires a significant budget. Imagine hundreds of bets per day, if a single bet is $1, hundreds of dollars are spent daily.
I'll stick to my style of betting a few times, even not every day, only on events I understand or follow well enough. I don't want to follow professionals because my bankroll is far from theirs.

You can do that in sports betting and see how big your chances of winning are. I never meet someone who bets up to 20 or even 100 bets daily but if that existed, I can not imagine how much money he would spend considering he uses the minimum amount. I just bet on the match that I know. If I only know one or two matches, that is enough for me. But if I just want to place a bet without thinking much or researching deeply, I will just pick the team that I know. But I always limit the bets so the loss will not be bigger.

The friends I mentioned are quite rich. First of allb, gambling is not their only profession. They have separate  businesses and they belong to rich families. And their main source of income is business. And they spend their free time gambling.

The gamblers you mentioned are  naturally less likely to become rich. Because gambling cannot be our only profession. We must have other means of earning money. It is possible to earn money from gambling. But we  do not know when we will win or lose in gambling. But from those who are professional gamblers and  unemployed , we hear many stories of earning large amounts of money in gambling. But we do not see much money from them.

I'm thinking there is way more to consider than simply increasing the bets to boost volume.

Do you do multiple micro bets and divide your initial betting amount into or do you increase
your wallet amount to fund the new tactic?

Considering this I think its quite important to have a good set of disciplinary rules in place
and its very important to be able to adhere to those when "the chips are down".

I know its difficult and I am trying to work on these rules myself.

Many people who are called professional gamblers aren’t actually living solely from gambling even those who appear successful usually have other sources of income that support their lifestyle the truth is consistent profit in gambling is rare and unpredictable and depending on it entirely is like walking a thin line between luck and ruin most of the gamblers who seem wealthy are either using their winnings to supplement other income streams or they come from wealthy backgrounds already which makes the risks of losing less devastating.

Experience can improve decision making and pattern recognition especially for games like football betting cricket or poker but it still doesn’t change the fact that gambling is built on uncertainty an experienced gambler may lose as easily as a beginner because the outcome of every event still depends on chance and external factors that no one can control what separates experienced gamblers from ordinary ones is their emotional control and bankroll management not their ability to predict outcomes with perfect accuracy. It’s not surprising that many so called pro gamblers you meet don’t actually look rich because even if they win big sometimes they lose a lot other times and the wins usually just balance the losses over time without real profit this is why gambling should never be seen as a career but rather as a risky side activity the people who survive in it long term are usually those who gamble for entertainment or moderate profit while relying on stable sources of income from business or work to sustain themselves gambling may bring excitement but financial security comes only from discipline diversification and steady earnings outside the casino.

Reading your post I concluded that you have really gotten the head of this matters in respect to whatever the op have said above, the pros have more or spend most of their time making analysis and researches and anyone that want to follow the pros must be ready and willing to forfeit so many of their other activities of which may not work perfectly well every one, not every will ever want to take gambling as full time job when there are other better things to do with their precious time and energy, am very much ok being a casual gambler and I don't intend being a pro some day.

What are we talking about here, casino games or sports betting?
If we take into account that casinos have a house edge, such a system ensures that they will be profitable long term and not the players. Of course, some still walk away having won more than what they have lost, but those are the minority.

A few days ago I saw a trailer to an interview that someone did with an ex Las Vegas card player. He used to bet huge amounts of money in physical casinos on Baccarat and Blackjack. I think he said that he developed a winning system that ultimately earned him over $30 million before he was banned from entering all known casinos. Perhaps someone is familiar with the story and has more information.

Yes, it is not possible. Pros will prefer more research on little matches. Also if anyone is betting like 20 to 100 matches daily, the person will still later realized that he is not a pro. The more people bet, the more they have the higher chance to lose. Few matches or just a single match is better than doing betting like it is a job.

On weekends, sometimes I place more than 10 bets. There will be a lot of matches happening, and I have many betting options I can make. But when I spread out quite a bit, I bet small on each bet. 
When there is only a small amount of funds, I prefer to do parlays. Not many bets, just trying to accumulate more odds for better wins.

I think the pros have more of the quality than of quantity of their bets. They'll choose to have bigger bets in a few games than to do as many as they can because that also increases the chance of losing more money. But if that's how they do it, I think I'll go with the pros that are only doing few bets because that's what I do. Or if there is no pro doing that, that's okay and I've chosen not to bet that much on a daily basis, a single to few of it would be fine and being called a casual gambler won't even be bad at all because that's me.  ;D

I would never think of making such a large number of bets, but let's suppose it could be advantageous, since you're distributing luck over a wider range. But the most important thing in this case isn't so much how you distribute that luck, but where you'll get the information for all the predictions, since these people you mention usually have specialized algorithms for this. I don't think they choose the bets manually or randomly because such a large number of bets would drive you crazy trying to plan them.

Sports bet or casino games? I asked because in Casino games the game engine gets used to your way of gambling, they will patiently be waiting for you where you least expected.

Sports bet is not the same but still rely on luck, I don't need to follow any professional gamblers when I know what it all looks like, it is only newbies that look for pro to copy, if you can stand by risking only what you can you will be fine, in the end luck is intertwined with everything gambling.

I think that a professional player would never choose based on the number of bets, I believe their choice is always focused on quality. There may be fewer bets, but in those bets they will be more confident. A professional might only increase the number of bets if they are testing a new strategy. In all other cases, professionals rely on quality. And it seems to me that they make long intervals between bets, are in no hurry to place bets, instead they choose several, but those that they consider the best.

20 bets for sports betting for me is wild, too wild. If I’m going crazy and I know I want to gamble excessively then 5-6 bets would be my highest I don’t see myself betting as high as 20 different tickets in one day, that’s just too much for me.

If I’m to do that much betting it would mean that I’ll have to be selecting random games and just be betting on them how ever I like without doing any analysis on them. It’s difficult for me to see many games to bet on, even if I see them sometimes my mind doesn’t carry them so I’d just skip till I find that one game my mind works with and bet on it.

So I think imma back off on this one and let you guys do your thing, don’t forget to update us on your findings - if you think volume really does improve your chance of winning or whether it lowers your efficiency thus lowering your chance of winning.

You've said an interesting point about them not being in a hurry and that's why they make sure that each bet they make is having the greater potential chance of winning than losing. So, it's true that they're not hasty and they're setting themselves calm at all times and not rushing for so many bets that they could. And you're right that if they do it, there could be some testing of new strategies if it will work for them. Other than that, they're patience and likely to bet fewer games that have the chance to win.

Volume just helps when all bet has genuine worth. Pro do place so many bets as a result of data they have, discipline, and strict rules of bankroll, not only to raise chances. For those casual bettors, smaller well analyzed bets are safer and lots more consistent than chasing volume not having an edge.

That’s right…
And some gamblers might feel as though the secret to more success lies in more bets. There’s a reason why someone chose to adopt such a strategy, and it takes only one who understands those reasons to also adopt such a strategy, else you’ll be making a terrible mistake. A strategy that works for one person may most likely not work for the other, especially when they both have completely different bankrolls and bankroll management.

I wonder what it takes to become a pro.. imagine the kind of losses such person must have gone through before he was able to accomplish such a title in gambling. Honestly I prefer being the regular kind of gambler who just do what he loves best. The risk involved in gambling is on the high side and I don't want to be a long term gambler. It's just something I enjoy doing when I'm free. We don't have to be like the pros because some of them have enough money to risk in gambling. So they barely consider risk management. For a regular gambler, 20 bets a day is already too much and might sooner or later lead to addiction if to properly managed..

Do you know the system the pros are operating in and can you work with that kind of system without it choking you up? 

Who you're looking at from the outside as the pros might not necessarily be going hard as much as you think they are doing. If you go on gambling as much as 10 times a day and do that consistently, you're indirectly getting yourself addicted sooner than you will even notice.

One thing you need to consider is your time and your bankroll. If your bankroll is tinny and you also having a limited time daily because of the job you do and your other daily activities. I think you can not do these. Well, as for me I believe those who you call pros actually are betting to make money. If you also want to consider gambling as a means to generate income  to yourself then you should do the same as they do. However you must have a lot of money that you can afford to lose, 20 to 100 bets per day is not like a $100 bet.

I haven’t heard about these pro bettors, so I have no idea how they place their bets. But if the pros you’re referring to are those who share their bets with a high win rate and their records are truly legitimate, meaning they don’t edit or only show their winning bets, then maybe I could consider following their picks. It really depends on how much you trust that pro bettor, since it’s always possible they could fake their stats.

For me if you ask about my sports betting record, I’d say I win around 10% and lose about 90%. You know why? Because I mostly do parlays. And when I do single bets, I usually go for high odds. So if you ask me, it’s better to bet on lower odds instead.

Did you also check what percent of their bankroll they use on each bet? I think this is also important so that you don't end up using a huge percentage to bet because of some info you get online.

You have to be very careful about what you see online. 3-5 bet for me is okay. Don't follow the multitude because all hands are not equal. But if you have enough money to bet with, go with the flow  :D

My experience tells me otherwise. I think you have more chances to win in the long term if you play less often. It because of the house edge. Mathematically your chances of beating the house diminishes as you keep playing. Think it like that, let’s say you have $1000 and played a coin toss game where your win chance is 48% (2% is the house edge) If you play this game a few times, you might fool the math and walk away with profits. However if you play this game a a thousand times making $1 bets, it guaranteed that the casino will be the winner and you’ll be the loser. Some people managed to find ways to break this and win against the casinos but casinos don’t like those players at all. I wouldn’t like them too If I were a casino owner. Do a research on arbitrage and ev betting. These are the only ways to win in the long run against the house.

Chasing plenty of trades when you don’t have a large capital to spare for them all is just like you risking your bets more that will in turn come back in big wins. When you have a large capital, taking tons of bets will actually make sense as it gives you the privilege to stand a chance to win big from any of those trades. Small capital will only not make you win small  but will also make you risk much that a win will not cover for many of the losses. Small capital bettors should focus more on casual bets while those with bigger capitals can capitalize on going for volume bets.

Some will often note that it's not by how far, but how well in gambling, once one has decided to gamble, then it is up to us to know to an extent the risk we are going to take, because this is not about how many games we are trying to play, but the motive behind playing any of them, but what we already have in mind towards any action taken by us, which will also ultimately determine the outcome we receive as we continued in playing.

So professional bettors have special data that can guess bets up to hundreds?
This is not sure anyway because there is still no evidence of professionals with successful bets, maybe it's just a little but not not fully believe it.

It's just that I bet as usual never chasing the volume for how the results of the bet will be, so I lose more if I really want a larger betting volume.

So I will not follow professional gamblers, stay yourself by gambling as much or as much as you want. :D

Well, I'm happy for myself because I don't follow any professional gamblers, I don't place bets based on anyone's advice. I've always done my own game analysis and I'm very proud of that, because that way I don't become dependent on other people.

I also always advise people to personally analyze the games they intend to bet on. Now, about winning in the long run, I think that will depend on the skills a person has; the more practice a person has in analyzing games, the greater their chances of improving their game analysis skills.

The number of bets should not be a deciding factor of who is a pro, and for the fact no one is pro when it comes to gambling, they all are assuming that they have become one, while they will always face the reality check once in a while.

I don't know whether you can become a pro but let me give you an easy strategy where you will win at least 6 out of 10 games if you simply follow the odds and don't need anything else.

You need to have at least some idea of ​​where you're going. It doesn't make sense to start betting on any random event or slots without any criteria. It's important to know a minimum before you start. And, at the very least, understand what data these more experienced bettors usually base their bets on.

Its not really about stacking or piling up bets, it's about the results gotten from it. Do you think it's impossible to lose all 20 bets you placed? I believe in more of quality over quantity. Just because people place up to 20 to 100 bets a day i don't think that should be what should qualify them to be pro bettors, what should be checked is their results, are they able to make profit in the long run?.

I can only consider pro in gambling those who are professional poker players and long-time sportsbettors who can make a living out of these games. Because if not, we are all just regular gamblers who happen to bet from time to time and can't make gambling as a source of income. But for some professional poker players, they can really use their skills to make a living and survive from it. It means, years and years of practicing such skills and earn decent income from it.
And have you heard a pro casino player? Very few can make their living out of casino classics like dice, crash, hilo and others. If they can make it, it means, they know how to manage their winnings and losses. Because for some, once they got their winnings, they will invest into something more tangible. That's when I can say - playing casino classics can really be a source of steady income. But pure playing casino games? I don't think so.

No, it's not about forecasting at all. These automated systems help find guaranteed winnings, so-called "sure" bets. In live betting, team odds are constantly changing. For example, at first, the favorite is quoted at 1.6, then if the score is still 0-0 after halftime, it's quoted at 2.0. If the favorite scores a goal, it's 1.3, if they miss, it's 2.5+, and so on. Those who place hundreds of bets catching fluctuations of odds, as games don't (in most cases) follow a linear pattern, so the odds fluctuate. Roughly speaking, by the end of the game, they have a "portfolio" of bets where half is bet on the favorite to win, with average odds of 2.05, and half is bet on the Double Chance underdog, with odds of 2.02. Regardless of how the game ends, such a bettor is in the black.

I believe the 100 daily bets is hyperbolic. Even if one gets to that number in a day, it won't be a daily occurrence. Perhaps, once in a while is possible. Again, be careful what you wish because chasing that number as your supposedly pros do can burn you out. What? 100? I'm of the opinion that 50 bets a day is huge task, let alone 100. That's like already an addiction. I'm fine with the casual play.

In my case, I wouldn't say casual bets every day; I make a few bets a week, and I'm perfectly fine with that. If you have enough budget to make 20 to 100 bets daily, that's great, but I think what works for them might not work for you. We can even follow some tips, but we have to be aware that often our realities are completely different from others.

If you're willing to take bigger losses, feel free to try that strategy, but I think betting up to 100 times a day is too much of a stretch and will take up a lot of time just analyzing, which probably won't be enough. Furthermore, the biggest consequence is your other job that actually provides a steady income, because I think trying this strategy will certainly interfere with that job. Furthermore, as far as I know, most professional gamblers usually only focus on one bet with a large stake.

That’s right, because blindly adopting a strategy without first understanding the reason for that strategy or the game may most likely not give the same result. I always gamblers to develop their own strategy, it is way more easier because you’re the only one who understands your own situation, which is the best way to develop your own strategy, it really doesn’t matter whether you’re making more profit like the next person, what matters more is that your strategy suits your condition and you’re not straining yourself emotionally and financially.

Maybe it's simply related to the size of the deposits professionals can bet with? Simply put, they have more money to gamble with. I don't think average gamblers can afford to bet such large sums (there are exceptions, of course).

Well, I suppose the higher the betting volume, the higher the chances of winning. Purely statistically. But perhaps the "cost of losing" also increases. :)

I don't think this idea of ​​"chasing the pros" will lead to a positive outcome for non-professionals, because the "initial conditions" for them are very different. Then again, their level of knowledge and experience differs significantly (if that's what truly influences the outcome of a bet, and not luck).

No way. I certainly wouldn't use the strategy of "overwhelming the bookmaker with high-volume bets". :)

Exactly because it can only make sense when you get a good results. Though, it is very easy to stake as many bets as you want but what matters is the win because I don't think the pros are going to this extend, and even if they do, it can never be possible for them to win all the time because losing is part of the game, so being a pro doesn't change them from losing. And even though I don't see any reason of following other bettors footsteps.

ah i prefer less bets. i mostly like to watch the games that i bet. i keep them less and enjoy more.

Trying to imitate the professionals by increasing the number of your bets per day or whatnot, is really a risky move if you ask me. The truth is that even these so called professionals don't win in the long term just because they are placing voluminous bet alone.... Rather their wins in the long run mostly come from the fact that they have took their time to understand gambling, and from this very understanding, they engage in profitable actions like having a strict bankroll and also not allowing their emotional influence to push them into over betting or revenge gambling. All this are actually the secrets to their long term wins and not stricttly the numbers of bet that the pro's do.

Lol, op mind what you call pro. Playing up to 20-100 bets a day in my opinion is what I tag as addictive gambling whose aim is to make profit from gamble at all cost. I don't see any reason for someone to continually gamble up to 100 times daily it explains how irresponsible that person's life is. Some persons might see it as fun but there actually no fun there because repetition results to habit and gambling is not a habit that we should be proud to keep up in that manner. In my opinion, pro gamble during special occasions like weekends or on specific leagues if we are talking about sports betting. On the other hand those who also play casino do it for fun because the probability of wining is not worth the risk.

i can not afford 100 bets a day even if it was just a dollar per bet
100 dollars should last me a week or more and not meant
to be placed on a daily bet only

pros are pros because they are able to place bets as such
but not all of us are bets and thats okay no need to pressure
ourselves to follow others

Before I go for volume. I bet 5 to 7 per day, but I saw how bad the results are long-term, and I didn't like it.

How can we make sure they are professionals? IMO, I don't consider anyone as a pro in sports betting because there's no one who really knows what the results will be, or else this will all just be a scripted sport that will not be loved by their fans.

Well, we could always test it out but I highly doubt it will work. I am sticking with 1 to 2 game per day and I am doing good this season. I think I will just continue that streak.

There was no the real data about how many bets the pros made for everyday but indeed those who can be called as professional gamber will dedicate their time for gamble which mean when you were make gambling as your source of income it makes you will be more focus to bets especially for sport betting that i am sure for special sport events the pros probably can make 20 bets or even more in a single day

For me personally i did gamble for fun and making 10 or 20 bets for everyday is impossible for me besides that it's hard to be consistent for sport betting if i was betting too much because in my opinion making 2 or 3 bets for day is enough especially if i can won all of this and this method is much better rather than making a lot of bets but the winning percentages is very low

I don't even buy the idea of having so many bets because there is no guarantee of these games resulting in a win by the end of the bet. I believe in having a few bets, bets that are predicted and analyzed very well. The main reason for having a good amount of bets most of the time is just to make money by all means; often, many of these numbers are just quantity and not quality.

Having a few bets allows one to focus well, and there are better chances of winning. But most of the time, people just gamble blindly; there is no work put into the bet, and they mainly depend on luck to win. Luck shouldn't be the reason why people choose to have several bets, but rather knowledge and good analysis about the games.

The difference between casual and pros could only be the dedication, because it will go beyond fun though every gambler even when having fun still target to win where the financial benefits will be achieved, since the total number at which pros can place per day is not given, gambling basically for money will be time consuming because the gambler will look for all alternative to achieve a win which may be time consuming. Secondly more play or booking mostly sports betting is needed because one hope if winning will not only rely on one but have many slip with different options to achieve a win. As a gambler you must first detail out any strategy you think your fellow is usually and analyzed properly because gambling is more of lunch what you may even call strategy could be a mere luck shining on it path at that moment. No pros can boldly State the outcome of how game will end as strategy but mere prediction that can failed if luck outshined.

I would rather stick to my own schedule and what is comfortable to me rather than following some pro.
Besides that, I believe the more we bet, the more we lose and so if you are trying to increase your bets then expect more losses.
Ofcourse, you can try it out as a temporary thing but if you see continuous losses then fall back to your previous schedule instead.

I don't know if there's any official data that shows the profit and lose chart of some pro bettors, I will like to see such information before I can consider whether to follow them or not. But as a casual gambler I don't know how somebody can be profitable on the long term in bets or casino games generally because of the house edge. I don't think that i can be comfortable to follow any gambling pros if I'm giving the chance because from my experience gambling is too risky for me to consider as a career. I think pro gamblers must have other sources of income Incase they don't win because despite their skills they still need luck to win. Luck is not what I want to depend on to make money and survive.

Can you mention a few "pros" and their success rate? How can you verify that those pros are as successful at sports betting as they claim to be? Where can you "follow the pros" for free? Do you want to use some tipster services for a fee? You can try them, but be cautious. Most tipsters are scammers. If the "pros" really have a betting system in place, maybe we should find a way to get more info about their system and copy it for our personal gains. The problem is nobody would ever share with us that system for free, if such system really exists.

When a person becomes a professional gambler, he starts doing thorough research, as professional gamblers are involved in a large number of bets and have a lot of money. And they have a bankroll where they can do proper research and in any game they can tell the difference between two teams in an instant, because that is why they become professional gamblers because they are regular gamblers and have been involved in this gambling for a long time.

When I asked Google that question, this name popped up… “Billy Walters.”

I already knew him before, I’ve watched several YouTube videos about him, his interviews and how he succeeded in sports betting. You can check them out, just search and you’ll find a lot.

As for how the pros actually do it, that can be researched too. Most of them really emphasize proper bankroll management, that’s the main thing they keep repeating.

You are absolutely correct, some people do not know the actual methods or strategy that a pro could be applying in betting that is making them to still bet consistently, it's just about copying one method and then think that you have seen it all, meanwhile there's a hidden method that was not known. Who ever tries to copy another person's method and copy wrongly will bear the consequences too.

Following pros can help, but it’s not a guaranteed path because their bets usually rely on info we don’t fully see. Odds move fast once big bettors enter, so copying late often gives you worse value. I prefer using pro insights as guidance but still doing my own bankroll and matchup checks.

Do you follow any specific tipsters, or do you mix their ideas with your own analysis?

In gambling, we can't claim to be a pro or casual gambler, only those who win will have the guts to make a stand that claims whatever thing they may call themselves, while as they continue to lose, we fail to hear anything against them being a pro, what can make us have something ntonsay lies in our ability to maintain a winning streak, but if not, we are going to remain being timid or silent about claiming anything we are not.

Indeed, and this is why it’s crucial to develop one’s own strategy through their own personal experiences, no matter how profitable the next person’s strategy might look, except maybe the person is filling you in personally, then it’s best to just let it be because it won’t turn out as planned. Maybe your strategy might not look good enough now, but when you remain consistent to it and develop it with time, you’ll definitely get better results.

In my opinion, it is not necessary to bet 20 to 100 times a day at a pro level. Rather, most smart bettors limit themselves to just 2 to 7 good bets and do not take volume bloat. While there may be some benefits to volume betting, it will only be effective if you have a real edge and are disciplined. If you unnecessarily bet more to increase your betting volume, you increase the risk of blowing up your bankroll.

Do you want to know my strategy ? Be picky. Use data &  only choose profitable bets, Positive Expected Value, + EV plays. And if you want to be like the pros, then these are the things you need to keep in mind

Are pro gamblers not making losses in the way the casual gambler is making or are they above making losing? No, there is no existing data displaying how pros are profiting excessively with their termed professionalism in gambling.

 Each gambler has to be smart and work with the strategy that he knows and is effective for him.  Is only when you having disbelief about your ability to make right judgement with your bets that you accept anothers games over yours.

I've followed the steps taken by professionals, but the results have always been more losses. From that, I wondered if even though I've done the same thing as them, perhaps due to different luck, the results have also been different. Furthermore, I briefly wondered if, for those who are pros in this field, does this mean this is their job, meaning they can earn a guaranteed income?

When you say you’re doing what the professionals do, you’re not relying on luck to decide the outcome of your journey. It’s more about probability and the stats you’ve analyzed. It’s unrealistic to say we haven’t reached their level just because they’re “luckier.” The truth is, they’re simply better overall.

Luck is just a positive or negative swing, (there’s good luck and bad luck ) so you can pretty much cross it out when you look at the long-term picture.

That's right, following someone else's strategy in sports betting without being right handedly guided by that person will never produce the kind of result that the person makes, that's even if the person is making a positive result. Some self proclaimed pros are losing back to back  but they only show the winning tickets just to cover their shame. I don't follow anyone's strategy, just me.

Volume of bet doesn't really matter since everything is based on luck though sometimes if you are a good analyst and you have a high volume of bet, there is a possibility or chance that you might have a better return than someone who plays casual but sometimes too someone who plays casual will come up with a better return than the pros so it is not really determined because it can vary with time, people ( luck). There's no harm in trying anyways and there's always a plan B that is if A is not working.

Before you think about following what the pros are doing you must understand that they bet according to their capacity, ask yourself a question, can you place more than 20 bets a day, and how is it going to affect your bankroll? Placing such high amounts of bet on a day doesn't really guarantee profit...personally, I value quality over quantity, all I have to do is focus on a few games and place a bet on it.

They don't care to know about this, they are just after to be like a pro, which is why it can not be possible because you need to have a huge bankroll before you can bet like a pro.

Though, some gamblers are just making mistake, forgetting that luck plays a significant role in determining the final outcome. Of  course I prefer to do my own research and bet on few games because I can only bet according to my bankroll, since increase your bet cannot guarantee profit.

The word is "pro" that literally means professional, and that may require full time, if not, most of your time.
Also, going for a volume bets may result to volume losses as well, which does not guarantee long term profit. Depending on your risks appetite, you may follow these style of betting but we also have to remember, being a pro at gambling is not for everyone. In fact, only a select few have achieved it so far.
So, for me, i don't think I can go for a volume betting. I'd rather be in a safe side than being sorry in the latter.
I'm being pro at other things but not with gambling lol.

Some gambler think that gambling is like some kind of schoolwork that you can simply copy the answer from someone else and just pass, but in reality, when you copy someone blindly, especially when you don’t have full glimpse of the reasoning, the discipline and the risk behind the approach, or even the hidden parts of that approach, you put yourself in a very risky position where you can easily end up losing or cleaning out your bankroll faster than you can imagine.

This pros may actually be people who may have chosen gambling, sports betting as a profession, they have nothing else doing physically and have all the time in the world to carry out a research on every single game you plan to bet on,  and also know how to analyse the match to know how has a better chances of winning and the one that may not win.

There is a part of my country where there is this common proverb which when translated to English simply says "when a creyfish decides to go live in the depth of the sea where sharks, whales  and other top fishes live, there is a very high chance that that creyfish will end up getting eaten up by other top fishes that live in the water.
Following the pros to gamble as they do may lead to some major mistakes which could negatively affect the person's finances. So for me, I think it's better to remain in ones ability of doing things, (not just gambling alone) than to try copy someone else who may even be performing based on their own ability as well.

Damn, that kinda hurt my feelings..

But honestly for me, I think copying is the best approach if there’s really a working strategy. I’m not ashamed of it, at the end of the day my goal is to be profitable in sports betting. Some people hate seeing that idea because they don’t believe it’s achievable. But for someone who’s optimistic and actually does their homework, they’ll understand that a gambler who thinks that way isn’t being delusional.

Since you have been copying and arrived at it to be a best approach to you, and hanging on the school of thought from all gamblers that no strategy guarantees wins,

have you found any long duration strategy that was effective and profitable for you, using your copy and paste approach?

I'm curious to learn of that strategy, cause just like you I believe any thing is achievable and not all course are delusional to follow.

Following pros can help, but their results don’t translate directly to casual bettors. Pros manage bankrolls strictly and take value bets, while most people chase odds emotionally. Even when copying someone, you still need limits and your own risk tolerance.

Do you follow anyone for strategy, or do you usually make your own picks?

We can't determine 'luck', but we certainly hope it will happen. The right step is to be more careful in developing a plan or strategy that is consistent with reality, so that the desired results can be maximized. In fact, I believe these professionals craft their strategies very well, encompassing the whole, not just a single point. This is highly worthy of emulation & implementation in developing a perfect strategy & hopefully, achieving maximum & profitable results.

Before you think about following the steps of pro gamblers you must ask yourself what they do to actually get all that money to place more than 20 different bets in a day, not everyone has the financial capability to do that. Most of these people have ways they make money, it can either be through vip predictions they sell online or other means of creating a source of income for themselves. Placing more than 20 bets a day doesn't increase the chances of winning and this is not what qualifies anyone to be a pro bettor it takes more than that