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I was contradicting another member about value of gold vs BTC and they said gold can be confiscated which led to this:


I didn’t know it was this easy to give/receive negative tags for just stating an opinion (I explained my point afterward: BTC can be confiscated very easily if the government knows who owns it because most people bought BTC using their ID and they don’t even store it properly) and I don’t know what it means/how bad it is that I received a tag.. will it affect my experience here now?

It is Satofan44 that gave you the red tag. Have you checked his trust history? He is giving trust the way he likes even to reputable members that does not deserve the red trust. He is not in DT, his red trust has no effect on you. Just post good and enjoy the forum.

These are users Satofan44 has given trust:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3704391
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3704391;page=sent;offset=50

You're good. Anyone could create a brand new account and go around sending negative trusts, I myself have a few. But those trust feedbacks are useless so they don't even show up unless someone goes to your profile and clicks "Show ratings" under "Untrusted feedback".

Honestly, I read the whole conversation between you and @Satofan44 and it just looked like a disagreement that escalated. Your opinion wasn’t harmful maybe just phrased in a way that triggered the the guy. A single negative tag isn’t the end of the world. If you keep contributing in a steady and reasonable way, it’ll fade into the background. That said, the person that gave you the negative tag isn't even in DT, so his red tag won't have any effect on you.

This is not a reason enough to leave you a negative tag. Negative tags are not given based on disagreement on opinions, if it were so, everyone in this forum would be moving about with negative tags which make it worthless.
I also know about the thread created by ABCbits about people that spread false information in the technical board. That thread wasn't originally made to tag people, but to call them out so that they could change.

He could later be in DT in the future. So, whether a DT or not, everyone should learn to make good use of the trust system or not use it at all.

Highly unlikely, if he continues to use trust system as he is doing now. He is excluded by enough DT members ( I will probably do it as well) so I don't think its going to happen anytime soon.

You very much summarized all there is in your OP so, I didn’t border going to the referred thread to see how your arguments carried. However, red tags isn’t something that is just given for having a contrary opinion. You are welcomed to have a different opinion, even one that is directly contradictory and have it discussed in detail to find a common ground so you both could learn from each other’s perspectives.

I see now that the tag has been reversed and even then, you didn't have any reason to worry.

Spreading misinformation and presenting it to be true though could constitute as spam but, there is a report to moderator to handle that and when noted to go about posting more spams just for the sake of not having to agree, the forum rules can apply with term bans and permanent after several of these.

As things stand right now, not a chance - https://loyce.club/trust/2025-11-15_Sat_05.18h/3704391.html

Also, if you feel his trust feedback is inappropriate or is being misused, you can also distrust him just like some members have done. That's the whole point of creating custom trust lists.

Is there anyway to ensure that something like that does not happen in the future? I mean a situation whereby a DT member goes wild and start handing out red trust to people for expressing their opinion. I know it's against the rule of the forum for a DT member to do that but there is no punishment specified to deter them from doing so.

Someone else has also complained about the user giving tags with no relevance and just by having a different opinion he goes down to give you a tag, anyways members with high rated profiles has also said something about it they it has no relevance it's useless even though it gives some bad feelings but just don't consider it.

At least his no longer a DT from what I can see before he was but now I'm not sure so his tag won't have validity.

Good to know, Satofan44 has been involved in this type of drama for a while now, I wonder why he isn't considering to change.

A great reason to start using the trust system.

The chance he will be in DT in the future is very low because people that have good reputation will not want to add him.

Such DT will definitely be excluded.

Satofan44 was included into DT by a reputable DT1 member before but he later excluded him when he noticed that he was misusing the trust.

Giving out tag as a retaliation to disagreement is very bad and I see it as an abuse of the forum feedback system, in the thread that OP sited, Satofan could just have corrected the OP since he knows better than him, instead of giving out tag to him. No body knows it all, people can make mistakes and stand to be corrected. Other users also make mistakes and others correct them, this is not a different case and not a big deal.  Based on what OP said in that comment and what Satofan responded, he didn't also add that if gold was obtained wrongly by theft, it can also be confiscated just as Bitcoin can be when it's used wrongly like when scammers stole from an exchange.

Fortunately, the trust system is not working the way that the member who gave you a red trust works, he is just sick or I don’t know what he thinks doing for wasting his time leaving useless red tags. The chances of him entering the DT list so his tags can take effect is closer to 0%. You don’t have to worry as many members replied to you.

You are free to have different opinions about anything here, even going against any DT member opinion won’t lead to red tags. The DT member understands how things work and will only tag the people who are doing harm, like, scamming, sharing malicious links, plagiarism or cheating on bounties… other than that you are free to share your ideas and opinions.

I was coming with all the Venum of anger in me seeing someone handing out negative tag to another user based on comment disagreement, even with apologies from the ops.

But when I saw the user that hand out that unwarranted red tag, own trust history, my anger fall like a pack of cards, so ops just move on and don't take that users seriously the tag mean nothing.

Issues like this are part of what leads to retaliation from members to distrust each other in retaliation over any wrong judgement made, in his case, I don't know if it was a deliberate act or just a kind of behavior, but one should be careful the moment two or more people complained same issues about himself, we can't force others to accept our opinion or think the same way we do.

You're not the only "lucky" recipient of negative trust from Satofan44, who generously shares his feedback left and right for opinions that differ from his. :) Don't pay attention, because "life goes on", as the forum has already formed the impression that feedback from this user isn't worth a damn.

Look at his "trust" tab, and everyone will understand the mental "health" of this user.

I don't know how old you are, OP, but since I'm getting grey hairs, I've met quite a few people like him: exceptional in one field but bloody retarded in everything else. In this case, it seems that he is capable of earning a lot of merit for his technical knowledge, but when it comes to using the trust system, he gets a zero, or an F if you prefer.

Just look at how fucking retarded this guy is, handing out negative tags left and right, when this is his trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2025-11-15_Sat_05.18h/3704391.html):

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/11/18/UPYSu9.png

He's probably just another one of the crazy people who hang around here, as m2017 points out. Forums have a certain ability to attract mentally unstable people. Probably, IRL if we saw his face no one would take him seriously.

So don't worry, OP, as others have said, it's untrusted feedback.

This thread doesn't belong here, by the way, it belongs in Reputation. I'm going to report it is moved there.

The future of Satofan44's account can be viewed with irony: he scatters his red tags all over the forum and eventually finds himself alone. Ultimately, no one on the forum wants to argue with him, not because they're afraid of him, but because everyone starts ignoring him.
OP, do the same; hit the "ignore" button.
The tags of some users who can't contain their aggression lose their significance. Satofan44 is talking to himself because his reputation has "grown" so much that his tags are no longer taken seriously.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/11/18/UPYn4a.jpeg

OP I think everything’s already been explained regarding to your questions, so better lock the thread.
OP for summary the tag has no real effect to your account since he’s not DT, his feedback is untrusted and as many users mentioned here he misusing the trust system. Basically, just ignore him unless he ever becomes DT, which is very unlikely to happen..

I remember my first Untrusted negative feedback. It happens, it means nothing and you'll get used to it.
You may want to read LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0).

I think I remember panicking when I got my first one too. We seem to get more if we are actively leaving negative trust regularly. Revenge reds you could say. I don’t tend to get them any more as I’m not an active scam buster. Somebody like JollyGood or nutildah probably get a lot of them.

Like others have said though, negative trusts from non-DT members mean very little and not to be concerned about.

In some specific cases, a correct negative tag may also appear from no DT member, although this escalates very quickly.
Personally, I always check the red tag if necessary, unless it's from a few members that I've made sure don't give biased red tags.

It's like you took the words out of my mouth! Seriously, I don't get his deal though. So basically, do not have a contrary opinion to his else you'd be given a tag? What happened to putting those who don't agree with you on ignore since they don't share the same level of "knowledge" that Satofan posseses.
 I think op raised the issue cause he would not want anything that would ruin his account or image so it's a valid question and now he'd rest easy knowing that the likes of Satofan aren't what one should give too much thought to.

He is just a piece of shit. You have nothing to worry about. Just fuck his feedback and move on. He is an attention seeker. He has some technical knowledge, which is why he is getting merits for his posts. He is doing it intentionally to get some attention, and one day, he will come to the reputation board, delete all the feedback, and say he didn't get how it worked. Now he understands everything, and everyone should reconsider removing him from their exclusion list. He is doing some bullshit that usually retards do. Once again, just move on and forget about his worthless feedback.

I am saddened when I remember how Satofan44 is wrongly using the trust system. TBH, Satofan44 is a very good poster. His merit/activity ratio is very cool, signaling a dedicated user of the forum. His merit distribution is also cool. If not for the wrong use of the trust system, he should be among the newbies that had a decent technical knowledge of the forum - the likes of PowerGlove, nonce etc.

There was actually a thread that was supposed to make him start using the trust system the right way, but it didn't happen. I wonder why the firm believe in the wrong thing. I wish to know his reasons for insisting...

Unfortunately, we are all kinds of people in this forum with all kinds of characters. Sometimes even when you try to correct someone or point out their mistakes, it simply won't work because of perhaps a high ego. So you have these members who just keep doing something over and over again despite getting advised several times

Having a big ego isn't something good long term, and it eventually leads to one's downfall, no matter how good they were in other aspects. Remember the downfall of brilliant members like Nullius or symmetick?

Yeah I have noticed how accurate tags given by non-DT users escalate and most times attracts  more tags from DT users to concretise the accusations. it often catches the attention of DT users who then review the case themselves.

On the other hand, biased or low-effort tags from non-DT users usually get ignored or even countered by DT users. I take red tags seriously when DT-members co-tags the same account tagged by a non-DT user.

Satofan’s trust ratings are not important as he doesn’t belong in dt. He has been misusing the trust system for a while and this is only another example. If he keeps doing shit like this he will dig himself a reputation grave which he won’t be able to come back. At this point though, he is very close to have an irreparable reputation just because of his trust system misusage. It is sad because he knows a lot about bitcoin but he is extremely stupid when it comes to trust ratings. Reminds me of nullius in this regard. He too had the same pattern. Vast cryptography knowledge, shitty decision making when handing trust ratings. In the end he had to leave the forum with many red tags and that’s future of satofan if he follows the same road to the end.