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In the game of score never underestimate any club no matter how good you might be in the seasons because if you eventually see your opposition as lesser team, that is your beginning of your don fall because the lesser team will putting in there best just to make sure that they play their best, and also every matches is important, which a coach should not rest a player just because you are meeting a lesser teams to play with, for example Leeds vs Chelsea in the match that was held middle of week was so surprising to Chelsea manager, players and fans, the coach couldn't see the lossing coming because he saw Leeds at the bottom of the premier League table and he think that the match is work over to them already, so i have come to conclusion that for any club to actually win a match, the seriousness must be considered and underestimating club should be erase from the coach and players till the 90+ is over.

So you feel frustrated because the bet lost or the favorite team lost?

We can't force the coach's will because he himself has a different view from us, while Maresca knows better than us what we're talking about even though Chelsea still lost in the end and there was a lot of criticism for the line-up but still Maresca knows better than us.

Why Maresca rested some players last week was because of the busy schedule so he decided not to play the full game.

About Chelsea losing to Leeds they have to accept the fact.

Please explain to me what you said above.

Two key points:
1. Leeds score at 6' 43' and 72' Chelsea score at 50', Maresca make a substitution at 46' 61' and 77' which mean Maresca aware when they conceded with 2 goals, they have to play with other strategy.
2. During substitution, Maresca use the senior players instead of let the youngers to play.

Where's the evidence if Maresca underestimating Leeds till the match ends?

https://www.fotmob.com/matches/chelsea-vs-leeds/2d7oy4#4813510

Professional football clubs have a lot of different specialists on their staff. They even have psychologists who work with the players before every match. So I don’t think Chelsea underestimated their opponent — they were playing at full strength. Leeds really need to pick up points right now to stay in the top division next season, so they were giving everything they had. In the Premier League every team is strong. Even the team that finished 17th last season is playing in the Champions League  ???  ;)  ;D

If you're losing your bet. You can just forget it, and move on. You're writing very long essay without even aware how Maresca has explained at during his post match presscon. He said he played Tosin and Badhiashile to anticipate aerial duel that often conducted by Leeds. However, his calculation missed caused by all of his defenders were always missing the aerial duels, and underperform. Sometimes the gameplan might not went accordingly. There's none really underestimating leeds.

However, it might be better if Maresca played Achieampong instead of Tosin in that game.

Competing with a stronger opponent often brings out the best of the underdogs and place them at a high level of making chances than the competent side. Although the strong side tends to win maybe with a few extra tactic but the chances are also low on their end because the match could change along the way putting the smaller team time ahead of their superior opponent.

Big teams are most of the times taken unaware and get beaten by the underdogs, pride can go before the downfall of a man, I have always had this in mind for every team every match should be important and with best of performance, generally alot of things can lead to a bigger team lossing to a lesser team things like injuries in most cases key players are involved reducing the performance of the team and in some cases fatigue we don't expect players to be in best of performance all the times, they are humans like every other person and there body can need some rest which can reduce their performance to the extend of losing to a smaller team and that doesn't mean the lesser team can win them on a frequent meeting with the same squad.

There is nothing more dangerous than a team that is determined to win, it doesnt matter if they are the underdogs. Todays match between aston villa and arsenal proves that no team should be underestimated, almost everyone thought arsenal would win easily but the opposite of that happened. Leeds was also considered as the underdogs but surprisingly they were able to dominate the game

Even though it's normal to think Arsenal will win, but if someone predict Aston Villa will win, they really made analysis on this match.

Couple things need to highlight:
1. Aston Villa have 6 win streaks.
2. They play at their home.

Which mean, Aston Villa are in good shape at the present.

But, how about Leeds vs Chelsea? Leeds had 4 lose streaks and Chelsea were undefeated in the last 7 match, despite the match held in Leeds' home, but it's nothing. It's a pure luck of match fixing.

I don't see much fault in the coach for Chelsea's defeat against Leeds. A coach has to rest his key players during a busy schedule, otherwise they are at risk of injury or they get tired. The main reason for Chelsea's defeat against Leeds was their defense. A coach will never come out on the field and play, his defensive line players made mistakes that even children don't make. Two of the 3 goals were due to Chelsea's defense mistakes.
Football is very unpredictable, so don't make any decisions before the end of the game. In betting, you don't win every day, you have to accept defeat.

Sports don’t forgive naiveness and stupidity. Your example leeds vs chelsea proves it for the 99999th time. Back in the I was also frustrated with similar bets. I was mostly making bets in the Spanish league and Barcelona pulled the same shit on me multiple times. You’d think that they’d ruin the weakest team in the league but guess what, it was a draw… or… they fucking lost because they had guaranteed their spot as the league leader last week so why bother right? Let’s do a charity and let them weak teams have a good day. That’s not professionalism. When you are the league leader playing against the league bottomed, you are expected to railgun the mf’ers. I’d expect 10 - 0. I don’t know what that is if not cheating.

In the game of football, no one is certainly indomitable. Losses are part of it, and it can come from any side. Even as good as Manchester City In the last 5-6 seasons, they also lost a few games from some unexpected sides, so I don't really think it's always a matter of how you underestimate any side or not. This same Leeds also defeated Liverpool from what I'm seeing now.

Tactics sometimes don't always win you games. It takes extra effort and discipline to win your games. And as for the reason why managers rest players, of course they are allowed to do that. Have you seen the number of games these guys are forced to play all in the name of international duties?. These guys are literally humans like you and I, so if a manager decides to rest a particular player, it is obviously for the best interest of the team because when injury eventually strikes, then it becomes a problem.

This does not only apply to football and coaching; it also applies to other bets that you as a gambler can place.

Do not become too overconfident—too overconfident of your skill, of your knowledge, and of your luck—because that can put you in a position where you start quickly underestimating instead of analyzing. Are we going to learn and become conscious? Do you think for the Chelsea coach that he has learned his lesson?

This lesson is not an easy one to learn because the test does not come now when they have just experienced it but will come after they win or have another good performance against a big team and they play a smaller team right after. For you the test to know if you have learned the lesson to never be overconfident is right after you score a big win from gambling and have to play again.

The team you may be underrating may actually be the one to pick the best of form in your match with them, and then gets to defeat you when you least expect it. No team should be underrated but sometimes their poor level of performance really makes one to actually feel not compelled that the team could do anything serious.

For teams that are after the first four positions on the standings and also wanting to fight their way to the title shouldn’t have a reason to look down on any team especially those that are in the relegation zone. As they fight to remove themselves from that position, they pick up good form even against bigger teams. Underestimating of any team is not the best practice for any clubs in the premier league.

See the lineup he used to start the game against Leeds:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/12/06/UTHjAw.png

Now look at the lineup he used to start the game against Arsenal:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/12/06/UTHrE9.png

Why did the Chelsea coach change the lineup? I don't believe it was because of fatigue, but rather because he thought he wouldn't have any trouble playing against Leeds because they were coming off poor results. He didn't count on the element of surprise, he underestimated the opponent, and when he realized this it was too late because Leeds were strong and there was no way to break through that. That's why Chelsea lost.

You are right, it's actually a clear facts that no any teams seems to be indomitable in football at large, some clubs actually did thier best this season, because thier performances were so impressed and thier patterns of playing or starting thier matches this season was quite different from the last seasons matches, Chelsea was actually surprises me this days expecial after they faced a huge defeat from Leads United,although it was only premier league that seems difficult to predict this season to me. Some coaches at times made a silly mistakes in choosing or selecting players when meeting with a smaller teams, expecialy if they are in thier best form, so looking down on any small team this season would be a big challenge to any coach.

In the Premier League, Arsenal has been beating clubs from onset but they were beaten by Aston Villa 2-1 today. And Real Madrid was leading the LaLiga League and now Barcelona has taken over the lead and I don't think Barcelona would allow Real Madrid to top the lead again. The season is still going on and let's see who will win the major leagues this time. Liverpool was at the 18 position and now they are 8 position and that means they are coming up gradually and as you said, those clubs should not be happy yet until it is over.

Op I think that the title of your thread should be corrected to in the game of soccer instead of in the game of score. However football is one game that is highly unpredictable full of upsets. So there is no guarantee of a win no matter how good a team may seems to be . This is what makes football fun and exciting because everyone team has the opportunity to win the team that is leading the team. Any team that is under estimating others is doing that at their risk .



Football is full of upsets that is why as a football team that wants to remain at the top then been consistent is one thing that teams should do. Only teams that are consistent will play all games with a level of seriousness knowing that even the smallest club can win the biggest team.

Surely, underestimating a team is a very wrong one and should be avoided by any team that wants to go further and possibly win trophies. It's a complete set of people (11/11) players, so why the look down, why the underationn, why the less power to go for winning?

Any team who feels there openents are too small or weak, or not Experienced to play them football is not serious and may end up not winning anything. Every team who comes to play came for 3poonts, and thus, they should enter the field of play with that mindset that they are playing with lions and a very good team. With this, there would be the normal push for a goal, and then, the players will go all they can yonw matches.. underestimating a team is just too bad and be avoided by managers or coaches

Yes it was a bit suprisely to me how the outcomes was. Arsenal is seriously doing well in the premier league, because  they were moving on a race of victorious van this season, I was actually expecting Chelsea to break thier unbeaten records in premier league the last time they met and Chelsea went on draw with Arsenal, the Aston Villa has impressed me today with thier performance and thier solid defensive game, Aston Villa did thier best in that match.
In this season LaLiga, Barcelona will not allow themselves to drop from that top table this time around and no matter how the Real Madrid struggle to meet up or still going back to the top table, Barcelona will not accept any defeat or draws consecutively, I really love how the matches are going on this season, atleast no any team will feel big without a little challenges before being at the top table.

It's normal to assume a team that's weaker than the common one with stats approved and recorded of their wins. That is the reason why if there are teams who are playing against a known one, fans assume that they're underdogs and they're being underestimated which does happen whenever gamblers and fans analyze the game beforehand. But it's still a sports game and twists can happen, chances are there that even the best teams in the world could have their failed moment and luck missed them but goes to the underdog teams.

Sports predictions are sometimes not in accordance with what we see, but from the statistics, the odds do not lie, even when they lose, the team that dominates the game is still the favored team, such as the Leeds vs Chelsea match, Chelsea clearly won the ball control, most of the favored teams lost, the dominance of the match remains at odds that have low chances, that's why you need to look at the statistics and player performance

Any team in the league table will always have a chance to win a game. The very fact that a team is in the top league suggests that they're not just a backyard team of amateur footballers but professional players who are constantly improving and working toward their goals. And yes, I agree with the OP that you shouldn't underestimate any team, even if they're ranked lower in the tournament. Sometimes, such teams are incredibly motivated to put forth a level of effort that champion teams simply don't.

It is EPL, it is standard situation for it. Yesterday was one more such match: Arsenal lost (his first game in last 17 matches if i remember right) against Aston Villa on 96 minute. Previous match day: Tottenham got the draw against Newcastle United on 95 minute. Here there is no weak teams, that`s why we like this championship.

But you right that you must play until the final whistle blows. It is true for all the life and it is important to remember about it in common life.

It's true that you shouldn't underestimate any club. In yesterday's UCL matches, I placed bets on Barcelona and Chelsea, as well as Man City and Leverkusen. I was initially confident that Barcelona and Man City would win, so I bet on those two teams, but the results left me confused because the teams I chose suffered crushing defeats.

Once the game is underway, anything can happen. Even a supposedly strong team can make mistakes that cost them the game, such as having a player receive a red card, which can affect their performance. That’s when luck favors the team that was thought to be weaker.

This is a basic knowledge OP and I totally agree with you but you should also consider that every player on the first team cannot play every match throughout the season so they don't go into injury. At some point, other benchers should be introduced and given an opportunity but whatever outcome seen must not be used to conclude the performance of those players as over time improvements would be seen.

Chelsea vs Leeds match was a surprising match to be very honest and the most mistakes was seen in Chelsea's defense line as they lacked coordination and communication on the pitch and Leeds United fed on that weak point. Even after their senior players were introduced into the game, Leeds United still managed to score another goal winning 3-1, so what other excuse is there to give?

Chelsea were not in their best form against Leeds and we still saw the same performance against Bournemouth with a goalless draw and a disappointment performance from the away side as they take the fourth position in the premier League table.

there is nothing where only “the expected” happens and “the favorite wins.” in football, basketball, or any other sport, what we constantly expect does not always happen. even in elections, polls, and statistics, sometimes the unexpected occurs. you can call this match-fixing, rigging, etc. but these are things that should normally happen. everything is determined by probabilities, but which probability will materialize is entirely random.

in a world where none of these things existed, we couldn't talk about gambling or predictions either. so when you experience an unexpected loss, remember that there are two sides to every coin.

It is something logical because whenever you are fighting someone that is far older than you,  the truth is you won't fight with the feeling that what if he or she  beats me because you already know the person is bigger than you so you would just fight anyhow and sometimes you will want to prove to people that you are small but mighty. That is how football is, the bigger team will be playing with all carefulness so that they don't get humiliated by the small team so when they are thinking of this the small team are not because even though they lose it will not be a strange thing because they are smaller.

Yes, what you are saying is right. As a big club, don't underate any team, play every club as if they are equal with you, and with this it will enable you to go far in a league. Some coaches are fun of reserving their key players when playing a lesser team , some will even use second eleven to play a club in thesame league with them, and this will mark the beginning of their loosing as the underated club will take advantage of that opportunity and win the game .

There are situations where a big player can be benched in a match, maybe the big player has an injury or their is a crutial match very close or the club is winning with a big marging, in such situation a big player can be substituted towards the end of the 90 minutes game. Apart from this conditions, underrating a club and keeping big players on bench can be detrimental to a big club.

I understand your disappointment over the defeat of the team you bet on, but if I notice, not all of Chelsea defeat lies in the line-up error implemented by Maresca, just look at when Pedro Neto, Cole Palmer, Mark Guiu and Garnacho were entered, there was no major change in Chelsea game, which means that Maresca tactics can be anticipated well by Leeds and Leeds were indeed in their best performance last Thursday to be clearer, look at Leeds match today, they held Liverpool to a draw.

Underestimating a weaker team is normal but letting it get into you is the real deal because most at times the team you underestimated might turn out to be your worst nightmare in a game, it has occurred several times, for instance Chelsea vs Paris Saint Germain in the club world cup final, they whole world underestimated Chelsea believing it was a direct winning for Paris Saint Germain since they were in Madrid form that season and Chelsea was no match for them, but at the end it all went the other way round so if you're underestimating a team it's for your own risk the best thing is no matter how weak the team might be you should make sure you see them to be as strong as any other team you've played or you stand a chance to lose more than you expected.

Exactly and that is how I gamble, I don't totally depends on only one team to win because they might disappoint at anytime and which i don't want to feel bad about it. So, what i always do is that i will bet for the two teams to win, that is to say any team that win and i might still go ahead to bet it draw, that is if i still have some funds left with me. But, since gambling is unpredictable i will be expecting anything to happen for me to be the safer side, which i won't be affected by whatever negative outcome it brings.

Underdogs beating the favorite happens and it is inevitable, there is no way one can stop this from happening. But as athlete or manager they can't take any team lightly, that is supposed to be the basic ethics of their profession. Whereas fans or anyone from the outside may have their opinion which can be either this or that and it is not going to affect the results in any possible ways.

lately it seems small teams tend to end up winning, no team should be underestimated in soccer because you might actually be in for a surprise..some of the time favorites always end up losing, bettors fail to do their analysis carefully they only make choices based on the strength of the team they bet on to win..few people that did their research avoided Madrid's game yesterday but a lot o people placed a bet on them

It seems like you're pretty upset about some of the surprising results lately. And I understand how you feel. Because I think it's not just you or me here who have suffered losses due to the surprising results of several matches in recent weeks. But all of us here who bet on those surprising matches feel the same way.  8)

This is where we sometimes need to manage our bet amounts so we don't overdo it on a single match that seems to have good odds. Sometimes strong teams make mistakes by underestimating weaker teams. But who could have predicted that Chelsea would lose in such a way in that match? However, it's not just about player rotations. Changing the team formation too frequently can also be a bad thing, as seen with Real Madrid yesterday.

The rate at which small clubs are beating big clubs is shocking and their should be a misery beyond that which we might not understand. We continue to lose money due to the way big clubs are losing matches after we must have bet on them for a potential winnings. This will not stop now so that should not make us to feel better for a better time and outcome when gambling.

Sometimes what I feel usually leads to some big team losing to an undermined team is because they don't take their playing seriously; they consider it as the other team being below them and they could easily win them, but they forget the fact that the team you consider to be small is trying so hard to make sure they win; they play as if all their life depends on it.

These are the mistakes some coaches and players normally do every time forgetting that football is 50/50. As you are looking for strategy to win, that's also how your opponent is doing because any team that played from lower league to the main league it's not a team to underestimate anymore because for them to get to that stage shows that they are prepared for any any action. More especially in the premier league, honestly I don't used to underestimate any team because the underdog teams are quite different this season.

You hit the nail on the head. In the game of sports, anything can happen. An underdog can win a big side, and this happens regularly in major sports leagues. A single mistake, injury, or red card can change the course of any game.

I don't think Enzo Maresca underrated Leeds United since he is aware that any club can put up an extraordinary performance. He did his best but it was not enough. The fact is that Daniel Farke was tactically better in that game.

I don't think that they are taking it not seriously and that's the reason why they lose. These are professional teams and if they have seen playing unserious, that could lead them to penalties and accusations that they are throwing the game and taking the loss intentionally. That's a foul for most sports if they have seen that a team or player does that and they'll surely give penalty to those teams that have been proven to be playing not so serious. But if this is done on smaller leagues, it looks normal because this is rampant there and so I avoid betting on those smaller ones.