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The world favours those who are into doings more than those who only knows how to, they said.
It is not the same with Bitcoin investment.
Your addiction to motion.
Your constant need to act.
They are all traps to make sure that you keep losing your Bitcoin.
Either through trading or leveraging.
You never needed to do anything.
Buy and go back to sleep, wake up in few years and get rich. ( Stomach do go hungry, feed it and go back to sleep) ;D

Bitcoin rewards the patience.

If you know how many Bitcoins have been lost to leverage trading and asset doubling schemes you will be shocked, all Bitcoin requesting from you is the holding patience, no one has never get wrecked holding Bitcoin for long term, it's the safest and easiest strategy, but the boiling blood in your veins always want to do something to get more Bitcoin faster, you will lose it all.

Hodl, nothing else matters.

You title is misleading, because it’s directly instructing investors to invest in Bitcoin with aggression not minding what ever it will cost them, which is not right we can treat Bitcoin investment like a primarily need which position it as something we need to make plans for and not to put it over every other thing, no form of addiction is good no matter what the addiction is all about.

Hold what ever you acquire strongly and accumulate when necessary, trading can lead to losing what you have suffered so much to accumulate, holding and patient gives the most profit.

It's good that I understand the point, but shouldn't there be a major foundation that you should build on first? For example, I don't trade futures and focus on hodl, but economic conditions are not always stable. Therefore, I try to build the foundation of income first rather than saying the ideal of buying and then sleeping while the economic status is not so stable that we can only survive until halfway to continue hodl.

So build a foundation or immediately sell all our holdings to put everything into bitcoin?

I don’t think so. For me, being in the Bitcoin market or environment is a big opportunity. Here, I can gain profits without hard labor—just through investing and analysis. That’s more than enough for me. Regardless of manipulative wealthy players, that’s their part of the game. As long as we don’t get trapped by it, is there really a problem with this highly profitable Bitcoin environment?

For as many times as possible, we've been repeating it here that one should always invest with what they can afford to lose. This means money meant for your feeding, rent, education, health care and anything related to your survival are not ideal for investment. If you don't have a stable foundation of income then you shouldn't be thinking of investment. Even if you manage to start, you will end up selling prematurely probably at the wrong time when the market condition is bad and this will lead to losing part of your initial capital.

First thing first, address the present before saving for future. Your daily needs represents the present while Bitcoin is for future. You can only be in the future if you survive the present. Ensure you put everything in place to survive the present first so when you start investing for the future you can do it with one mind and hold for as long as possible to reap maximum profit.

That’s the main thing to do with Bitcoin originally, but some of us that have knowledge about crypto trading do make effort to use leverage trading to short or long Bitcoin for quick profit.

Some people are earning big money as profit in trading, but it is risky because you can’t predict exactly what hat will happen and you will lose as long as you make some profit in some trade. If you are not good in trading, buying Bitcoin to hold is the best.

What I normally do is to buy and hold Bitcoin, the. Trade other coins through future trade or even spot trading for quick profit, but Bitcoin is always for long term unless if there is a sharp dump that I am expecting a quick recovery, then I do trade spot sometimes especially if I want quick profit.

I keep it simple, I will invest in bitcoin when the price drops and will hold when the price rises or sell if I need to.

So for that you need to wait for the price to drop, indeed patience is important here. The same can be applied for other speculative assets as well. There are people who make money by this spot trading method and it takes time, nothing comes easy.

You dont need to trade everyday for this. Only place trades when the price drops.

I agree with most, not with some, but OP is one of the few who use the word investor correctly

Majority people say 'invest' but they are just trading AKA speculating.... AKA gambling. Sorry to say, but BTC investors don't understand what is a buy that is sold less than 3 or 4 years.

Only trade what you can afford to lose and invest as much as you can to accumulate more. In investment, you don't loss anything if you are patient for the years to come which probably you have set to see the next Bull Market. People need quick money so they involved in trading, and nobody will tell you to stop trading but you must trade with what you cad afford to lose so you won't be disappointed. In trading you lose while in investment if you plan for long term you won't lose.  Long term investment benefits you. And short term investment might Crash you so choose wisely.

Most of those who trade excessively or think of making quick money end up losing. In trading, most traders make emotional decisions to control short-term market movements and increase their losses. It is true that some traders have been able to make profitable trading by using their experience, knowledge and risk management. However, this is not possible for everyone. In this case, I think the safest approach for ordinary people is to hold for the long term where an investor can invest in small amounts regularly. By investing in small amounts, the market fluctuations will not have a big impact on them and it will be possible to continue investing in the long term.

You don't always need to go back to sleep, you can stay awake and continue buying periodically to keep expanding your portfolio which increases your profitability potential, as long as you are not selling them you can always do yourself more favour by consistently buying and adding to your holding


sure, patience and discipline not to scrape off quick profits from your portfolio when its value starts increasing.

Profits from trading may never be comparable to profits from long-term holding, again the trader has to put in a lot of time, intelligence, strategy and emotional investment in trading while an investor only buys periodically, holds for a long time and cash out very good profits from his holdings.

Most of the long term holders have made profit even up to this point. But those who have panic sold, if they have made profits with it, that's good. And if not, they're either in breakeven or have made losses. Holding is sure the easiest strategy to do if you're into Bitcoin. No analysis needed, all you have to do is to be firm in holding for so long and be sure that you're not going to sell at losses. Anyway, there's no losses if you just hold and keep on accumulating but unforeseen life situations might happen and will force you to sell, only if you are unprepared for those.

Ehmmm! It's upto what you want though.

What about adoption? Don't you want Bitcoin be used for buy and sell things

This rules doesn't apply to everyone. Some people don't want Bitcoin but they want the profit, the ETF market is full of investors that buy and sell ETF while the platform buys on their behalf. One way or the other, they contribute to the buying and selling pressure of Bitcoin.

By the way, if everyone buy Bitcoin and refuse to do anything, it will be practically to see increase in Bitcoin price. When there is Bitcoin demand(fomo), expect the price to increase and when there is FUD, there is going to be a sell pressure, this is the basic economics of Bitcoin but if you want to buy and hold it's upto you. People that want to buy and sell will do their thing I believe.

It’s definitely not comparable even though there are people who think that profits from trading can actually be amassed and it can grow bigger than that of Holding. I usually say it’s just a faster of gaining profits and every fast means of getting something usually has a greater risk which means same fast way to losses, because you can never be too accurate with trading. But with holding you don’t need any rigorous way of gaining profit, other than been patient.


One major problem some who claim to be investors have is they buy when there is huge greed and sell when there is fear and this will lead to only one thing which is loses. Perfect entry or at best DCA buys means you will always been in profit if you actually hodl for long

They only buy when they feel of doing it and when the crowd tells them to do it. But they don't understand how the stability of being long term holding and as well as never stops in buying no matter what the situation of the market. These people who are in profit now, held for so long and endured all of those bear markets together with the FUD that they have read and heard. Those were uncertain times and no one has stopped them from believing in the true potential of Bitcoin. That's their addiction, they're obsessed in Bitcoin and others might think it's exaggeration, no its not, it's now been in their veins and has been part of their lives.

Bitcoin and patience together means having a big asset in life. It is better to hold Bitcoin for a long time by trusting the market than buying and selling repeatedly. Many people get caught with wrong trades hoping for quick profit and become destitute in an instant. However  it is not true that there is no risk in holding long term. Because many people hold Bitcoin for a long time but due to the market crash, they panicked and sold Bitcoin at a lot of loss but again the value of Bitcoin has increased. So you have to sell according to the plan without making hasty decisions

Do you really need to analyse the market if you are a long-term investor? All you might need is a plan on when to buy (at what price), how to buy, and when to sell (at what price). Investing in Bitcoin is so simple that you can apply the DCA strategy in buying. There will always be a bull run that presents an opportunity for profit-taking. 

No certain amount of addiction is needed to be a good investor. Just buy and accumulate when you can, and then rest and just keep it hodling, that's simple as it is. If you are patient, you will successfully hold your investment, but if you are not, and would try out leverage trading for quick and bigger profits, your future profits might instantly turn into current losses, so there is no good in any investment if patience is not prioritized.

And even if you say you need to be addicted to your motion to keep you going, still having addiction is a kind of abuse, that won't still create a positive outcome in the future.

Patience is the key, less risk equals less stress, secured profits will be achieved.

stomach do go hungry is the realest part lol, the struggle is staying patient when you need cash for real life, but if you can manage your expenses and just let the sats sit there for a few cycles you are basically winning by doing nothing, it is the ultimate life hack for lazy people

I find your title a bit ridiculous, because Bitcoin investors don't actually need 'addiction', but rather rational decisions based on their knowledge of Bitcoin. If someone simply invests without understanding what they're buying, they're at a greater risk of losing money because they don't have a solid understanding to support their decisions.
Apart from that, consistency and the right investment strategy such as DCA are also needed by investors, so that they can build their portfolio in the long term... and their understanding of risk management, such as determining how much funds are worth investing and separating funds for emergencies, that is also something that is important for Bitcoin investors to understand.

It depends on how much bitcoin you bought and the market condition when you bought it. If you bought a chunk of bitcoin during the bear market, you can go and sleep and wake up after four years to take profits. If you bought little quantity of bitcoin at a high price, going to sleep is a bad idea, because you will only see a little profit.

DCAing often when your discretionary income is available is the best because you keep in accumulating little by little overtime till it turns into something big. Don't forget that the bigger your bitcoin portfolio, the higher your profit is.

Buy and sleep? Do ensure that you take care of the following before you sleep

• self custody
• security and
• your emotions

So you don't wake up from your long sleep and find everything gone as a result of your own negligence and carelessness. Aside this, I agree with everything said in the op. Bitcoin truly does reward patience and consistency.

Therefore, when we talk about investment, we definitely have to consider our financial condition and financial management first.

It will indeed be very good when we invest in bitcoin but when we are actually preoccupied with the economic conditions that we have, it will only make it difficult for you.
Investing in bitcoin is always identical or ideal with the long term if you really want to minimize risk so it is important for us to spend money on bitcoin is money that is ready to be spent do not let money for needs actually be used as an investment because it is the same as killing yourself on the wrong path because when we need the money then we inevitably have to sell what we have bought in bitcoin no matter profit or loss.

Trading doesn’t equate to losing all your bitcoin immediately. If you can do intelligently then it might even favor you.

Trading is not only futures or leverage trading; one can do spot trading if they know they can't bear the risks involved in futures trading, they can simply buy and sell in the spot market, without the need of using leverage and take very high risks. So many people make so much money from the spot market, they read the movemens of the market, buy the coin they have been watching closely when it gets in the buying zone, and then they wait for some time, and sell as soon as the price goes up a little. In this sort of trading, you don't lose money if the market goes down like futures, but you will need to wait until the market goes back up again.

Investments and trading are both for different types of people based on their capabilities of taking risks and the amount of money they have for it. Someone who has a lot of money to use could do both, but mostly people go for investments if they have large amounts because it involves lower risks and you can still make good money within a short period if the market is going positive, and if you keep holding for the long term, you will get pretty good returns since your investment is pretty high.

Just become a part for freedom of economy and benefit with store of value. If you included addiction word with it then it will going to wrong direction and mispresent for the users which means as like as casino or other addicted things bet or etc. Bitcoin is totally a public, decentralized power which is naturally encouraged to participate, But it is not involve with any addition, and nobody able to push people to buy or  invest btc, It is totally natural.

If you believe and know about btc and blockchain process then human always positively involve  any good and freedom part to give Security their wealth.

I second you on this!

Judging by my experience and what I see people lamenting about trading with respect to its margin/leveraged products, I conclude that they are not worth it. Let it make sense, how could almost everyone be losing in a scheme for ages? Doesn't that say something? It's a trap, indeed, that was carefully mechanised electronically to enrich the rich the more.

Investing is better, and when one has the opportunity to invest in a good asset like Bitcoin, it's priceless, especially if the person could invest at the right time.

I get your point. It’s not about addiction at all, it’s about understanding what you’re investing in. Without that, people panic and make bad decisions. DCA, consistency, and proper risk management matter way more if you’re thinking long term.

One of traps is that many people believe that they have to be active or trading all time in order to make money, yet it is trick that makes them make mistake and lose their coins in plans to get rich quick. As history shows, most safe method of winning is to just buy and hold in long term as almost no one has lost money by holding Bitcoin four years or more. It is hard to stop urge to trade fast, but Bitcoin rewards those who can remain calm and do nothing when others are panicking. It is truly challenge of discipline and not hard work.

Holding is more profitable than trading that’s why newer bitcoin users are advised to hold for the long term than trading.Although many traders are making cool profits from trading,but if you should ask them the amount of money they’ve lost from trading it can’t be compared to their wins.Trading has a lot of learning processes which can be tough to slow learners,even if you’re a fast learner a long term learning process is expected of one to become perfect in respect to trading.Most bitcoin enthusiast consider trading bitcoin as gambling because of it’s worth,trade other cryptocurrencies because there are even for the short term which may suit their desire of making quick profit.Hodl your bitcoin and watch out how much profit you’ll earn in the long term.

You're right addition has absolutely nothing to do with this, and I feel that being addicted to bitcoin can be problematic where as you will always be in the market 24/7 monitoring the chart, and in the process of doing that you might be tempted to sell especially when the market is not favourable, so whatever thing we are doing need to be done moderately be it bitcoin investment or not because excessive doing of everything don't always end well. As a bitcoin investor you don't necessarily need to be addicted to it rather all you need is a complete knowledge about bitcoin investment, because being addicted without a complete knowledge is a waste.

Looks like the only thing you will do in life is just to buy bitcoin and hold. In reality, one does not need the full addiction into motion, because that will only lead to being greedy and aggressive, when you're supposed to stay calm and patient when investing.

There are risks involved when investing in bitcoin, so one should only dare to invest if he's aware of it and he knows how to overcome it. Simply put, invest what you can afford to lose and invest only when you have spare money available. Otherwise, if you let your emotions control your mind to keep buying and hodling, without observing and analyzing the market well, your investment will only go to waste.

Know your investment well, know when the best timing to enter and exit the market. Addiction shouldn't be part of it.

You’re truly an investor. There’s no need to be overly anxious about price movements or rush to sell everything. If we treat Bitcoin as an investment asset, there’s no such thing as selling it all. Sell some and keep some—this is investing, not gambling. With its potential and proven history as the leading digital asset today, Bitcoin certainly won’t collapse easily and will likely continue to grow, just as we’re seeing now.

You dont need to get addicted in Bitcoin if you want to join in the crypto space. Even basic knowledge is applicable to have a bitcoin.

When it comes to any form of investment, you must need to know how it happens and not just want to buy; no one would like to let their investment go to waste. There's no investment that makes you a millionaire in just a single day all of this considered hard work and effort allotted to the things they really into it. Create a strategy, understand the market and analyze the possible price movement. Through your knowledge and skills you can lessen the risk to lose your money.


If your goal is for long-term investment holding is the best way but other people are lazy about that they wanted to earn with the market volatility such as swing trades and flipping coins through market movement. Even in holding there must be a plan, when you want to enter price for along term or just a DCA and what price you would like to take profit.

You don't have to starve or deny yourself basic needs before you can invest in Bitcoin. In other words, you can live a comfortable life, meet up your responsibilities and still invest heavily in Bitcoin which you will save until you retire. This can be done via a method called Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) which require you to invest just a part of your income in Bitcoin regularly like weekly or month or even quarterly. You can use that method and you will not feel any financial pressure even when you are accumulating Bitcoin to HODL.

With BTC, we can just wait for our targets to be reached.

Because eventually, it will happen. We just don't know when, but all we need to know is that it happens in the right time :)