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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: spazzdla on April 04, 2014, 07:19:21 PM



Title: Debt bubble
Post by: spazzdla on April 04, 2014, 07:19:21 PM
BTC will not go to the moon until this happends.. when it does you will not have the chance to buy into BTC before the price reaches it's true value.  Strong hands.


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: jamesc760 on April 04, 2014, 07:50:29 PM
It's all gobbledygook to me. Please explain in simple language for us simpletons.

Thanks!



Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 04, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
It's all gobbledygook to me. Please explain in simple language for us simpletons.

Thanks!



Think of the craziest libertarian bullshit you can think of and then think it on DMT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KalX0MJ5hQ)


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: Torque on April 04, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
Yes, agreed.  Please expound on this wonderful insight that you have OP, as this forum is loaded with poor ignorant souls that need your divine wisdom!  

We need you to provide more details to your insight, at least a couple of long paragraphs explaining your incredible hypothesis!  Thanks!


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: spazzdla on April 04, 2014, 08:11:54 PM
Yes, agreed.  Please expound on this wonderful insight that you have OP, as this forum is loaded with poor ignorant souls that need your divine wisdom!  

We need you to provide more details to your insight, at least a couple of long paragraphs explaining your incredible hypothesis!  Thanks!

I'm lazy, google:

Leaving the Bretton woods systyem
Fractional banking
Exponential economics and finite resources.


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 04, 2014, 08:32:23 PM
Yes, agreed.  Please expound on this wonderful insight that you have OP, as this forum is loaded with poor ignorant souls that need your divine wisdom! 

We need you to provide more details to your insight, at least a couple of long paragraphs explaining your incredible hypothesis!  Thanks!

I'm lazy, google:

Leaving the Bretton woods systyem
Fractional banking
Exponential economics and finite resources.

Alex Jones Says You Are Delusional
 (http://youtu.be/wIqf16Nfsfs)


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: minerpart on April 04, 2014, 08:37:25 PM
The Debt Bubble is a realty - ask any government. It's not a Libertarians fiction.  ::)


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: EverettMarm on April 05, 2014, 05:17:57 AM
When many people are suddenly unable to pay their debt, and lenders take massive losses, it usually results in deflation (see Great Depression and Great Recession), so with all else being equal the value of that nation's fiat would rise.

Unless you're talking about a public debt bubble where governments would default. If you're specifically talking about the U.S., it's not really clear the U.S. is in a public debt bubble. We've seen higher debt levels before:
http://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/debt-and-gdp-main6.png?w=1024&h=603


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: Elwar on April 05, 2014, 06:02:51 AM
The US debt bubble will pop! We will be in single digit debt by the end of the year!

tulips anyone?




ponzi


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: Erdogan on April 05, 2014, 07:17:48 AM
Irish half finished houses torn down with tax money. It expand the GDP, so it must be good. Flattening Syria? Those wonderful love boms must be produced. Expands GDP. Rebuilding the place? Opportunities, opportunities for those with government relations. GDP to dah moon.

There is a GDP bubble.


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: anu on April 05, 2014, 07:53:21 AM
When many people are suddenly unable to pay their debt, and lenders take massive losses, it usually results in deflation (see Great Depression and Great Recession), so with all else being equal the value of that nation's fiat would rise.

Unless you're talking about a public debt bubble where governments would default. If you're specifically talking about the U.S., it's not really clear the U.S. is in a public debt bubble. We've seen higher debt levels before:
http://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/debt-and-gdp-main6.png?w=1024&h=603


This chart is 3 years old. Today's levels are higher. The chart also ignores unfunded liabilities that did not exist in 1945, e.g. the Pension Ponzi. Finally, there is this:

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4979e68630b7d9800073dbcd/debt-to-gdp-chart-wrong-us-debt-levels-fine.jpg


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: RoadTrain on April 05, 2014, 12:03:37 PM
There's so much economic thought in this topic :D


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: Elwar on April 06, 2014, 05:54:59 AM

Looks familiar.

http://buttcoin.org/stagesofabubble.png

ponzi tulip bubble!


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 06, 2014, 06:45:48 AM

Will BTC produce enough wealth to pay all that debt off?   :D



Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: CMMPro on April 06, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png


Title: Re: Debt bubble
Post by: aminorex on April 06, 2014, 12:59:52 PM
Not only is debt expanding exponentially - an inevitable consequence of a debt-based monetary system - but the market value of debt instruments is increasing towards it zero-yield bound.  Suicidal to be a bondholder.