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Title: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 05, 2014, 07:41:59 AM
Satoshi Kanazawa is a British-based Japanese evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics. In addition, he writes a blog for the American magazine “Psychology Today.” The title of a book he cowrote, Why Men Gamble and Women Buy Shoes: How Evolution Shaped the Way We Behave, unfortunately gives you an accurate idea of the sort of writing from him the readers of “Psychology Today” are subjected to. Naturally, science cannot simply be dismissed because it is unpopular or “politically incorrect”, but Kanazawa’s opinions are notably lacking in scientific rigor and basic knowledge.

For example, in March 2011, Kanazawa wrote an article titled, ‘Are All Women Essentially Prostitutes?’ The article reads:

    “… high-class prostitutes like Allie and Maggie have more in common with college professors, corporate executives, or poets than with the more affordable and visible members of their profession…[p]rostitution is evolutionarily familiar, because mating is evolutionarily familiar and prostitutes (at least the classy ones) are no different from other women, whom men also have to pay – not in cash payments but in dinners and movies, gifts, flowers, chocolates, and motor oil…”

http://www.thenewagenda.net/2011/05/24/29600/

At no point did Kanazawa attempt to justify these assertions with statistics or anything other than anecdotes, which are not acceptable evidence. Where is the proof that women never pay on dates, that they never offer sex without being wined and dined on the man’s dime first? Only stereotypes and the occasional story from one of Kanazawa’s acquaintances.


Dorian is not Satoshi Kanazawa   :D


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: GigaCoin on April 05, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
Satoshi Kanazawa is a British-based Japanese evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics. In addition, he writes a blog for the American magazine “Psychology Today.” The title of a book he cowrote, Why Men Gamble and Women Buy Shoes: How Evolution Shaped the Way We Behave, unfortunately gives you an accurate idea of the sort of writing from him the readers of “Psychology Today” are subjected to. Naturally, science cannot simply be dismissed because it is unpopular or “politically incorrect”, but Kanazawa’s opinions are notably lacking in scientific rigor and basic knowledge.

For example, in March 2011, Kanazawa wrote an article titled, ‘Are All Women Essentially Prostitutes?’ The article reads:

    “… high-class prostitutes like Allie and Maggie have more in common with college professors, corporate executives, or poets than with the more affordable and visible members of their profession…[p]rostitution is evolutionarily familiar, because mating is evolutionarily familiar and prostitutes (at least the classy ones) are no different from other women, whom men also have to pay – not in cash payments but in dinners and movies, gifts, flowers, chocolates, and motor oil…”

http://www.thenewagenda.net/2011/05/24/29600/

At no point did Kanazawa attempt to justify these assertions with statistics or anything other than anecdotes, which are not acceptable evidence. Where is the proof that women never pay on dates, that they never offer sex without being wined and dined on the man’s dime first? Only stereotypes and the occasional story from one of Kanazawa’s acquaintances.


Dorian is not Satoshi Kanazawa   :D


He obviously doesn't have any real life experience


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: Lethn on April 05, 2014, 11:24:21 AM
Gee thanks, I love how because of one man and his stupid opinions there are girls out there ( Check out the comments section ) who will now think that I am a woman hating rapist, talk about double standards and stereotypes, yeah this guy clearly doesn't know a thing about women so why are people letting themselves get wound up about it?


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 05, 2014, 11:58:26 AM
He obviously doesn't have any real life experience

Real life experience shapes one's opinion. May be most of the women whom he met with in his real life were prostitutes.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on April 05, 2014, 11:59:54 AM
Gee thanks, I love how because of one man and his stupid opinions there are girls out there ( Check out the comments section ) who will now think that I am a woman hating rapist, talk about double standards and stereotypes, yeah this guy clearly doesn't know a thing about women so why are people letting themselves get wound up about it?

Why would women think you're a 'woman hating rapist' based on the comments of one man? Talk about moronic comments and stereotypes.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: Lethn on April 05, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
Meanwhile in the real world, literacy rates are at an all time low.

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signed it and sent around. sometimes it seems way too many if not most men think that all women are prostitutes. think of street harassment of young women. the ads selling female skin. erosion of privacy and intimacy in media.

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Oh my God. What a douche-bag. Guess if he can consider all women prostitutes he can feel entitled to forcing himself on them sexually if he so desires. At least we know he’s pretty much a self-proclaimed rapist and can avoid him.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: escrow.ms on April 05, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
He obviously doesn't have any real life experience

Real life experience shapes one's opinion. May be most of the women whom he met with in his real life were prostitutes.

That's true. If he have found real love , he wouldn't have wrote that article.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: pandher on April 05, 2014, 12:19:38 PM
He obviously doesn't have any real life experience

Real life experience shapes one's opinion. May be most of the women whom he met with in his real life were prostitutes.

That's true. If he have found real love , he wouldn't have wrote that article.

There is nothing as real love.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: hilariousandco on April 05, 2014, 12:25:43 PM
Why would anybody take this guy's, or the women who make such ignorant generalisations, seriously?

Meanwhile in the real world, literacy rates are at an all time low.

Have you only just discovered this or something?


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: escrow.ms on April 05, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
He obviously doesn't have any real life experience

Real life experience shapes one's opinion. May be most of the women whom he met with in his real life were prostitutes.

That's true. If he have found real love , he wouldn't have wrote that article.

There is nothing as real love.
Of cource there is,but it's hard to find a women/girl that loves you unconditionally.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/9-real-life-love-stories-that-are-better-than-the-movies_n_3785779.html

The other side of Satoshi Kanazawa's article is "Most man pay women's for doing sex with them"


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: b!z on April 05, 2014, 01:48:33 PM
inb4 crappy satoshi joke


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: TheFootMan on April 05, 2014, 01:56:41 PM
For example, in March 2011, Kanazawa wrote an article titled, ‘Are All Women Essentially Prostitutes?’ The article reads:

That statement,  ‘Are All Women Essentially Prostitutes?’ is a tabloid headline, made to attract viewers.  He cowrote a book, and he has a blog, he's probably making money off both - so what you have here's nothing but plain old marketing.

You have the lowlife prostitutes that roam the streets and give you a blowjob or an intercourse for next to nothing. The quality of these women are usually very low, and there are many reasons they've ended up there; poverty, desperation, drug habits, misuse, trafficking etc. And it's a sorry state of affairs, and many of them probably carry a whole lot of STD's as well. So any man putting his dick inside their twat, even when using a condom, might be up for a surprise. It's not a healthy state of affairs, not for the women and not for their johns..

Then you have the high class prostitutes that really just want a better lifestyle, they often have more education, are quite intelligent, and charge more, and screen their customers. They know men will pay for these services. And can you really blame the men? Esp. the men who have a lot of money, and little time to court girls. Usually you need to take a girls to a succession of dates before you gets to put your dick inside her. You must play the dating game, showing sincere interest, and showing you not only want sex, even though that might be the only thing you're really interested in. Perhaps the man is not in a place in his life where he sincerely wants to find a woman to form a serious relationship with. As most women are not only interested in sex, this is often a conflict of interest, so then it might just be easier to pay a high class escort to provide all the services the man needs.

So, instead of putting money down for dinners, spending money and time, leading up to the desired moment, the man simply puts down the money right away and gets down to business with a provider.

And one might ask - why's this market there, why does it exist? Supply and demand. Men want sex - and some women are willing to provide this service at a cost. They trade their beauty and their body and pussies for money. Men trade their money for sex and close contact to another humans body.

Perhaps the man is a scumbag that cheats on his wife with prostitutes, to satisfy his own egoistical needs, or perhaps he's a social misfit that never scores with the ladies, and this is his only way out, to get some body contact and sex. For men it's often just about the release. When that's happened, they're done and satisfied.

We have a social stigma in most of our modern society in regards to sex, we're often making such a huge deal out of it - but the truth is that most want it - and most desire it - but we always put it under the rug, so in daily life, it's most often depressed, but once we get to drink a little bit on a saturday evening, all those primal urges surfaces. And it's all because of our genes, we're programmed to spread our genes. That means that men find sexually attractive ladies worth pursuing, and it's always this social game. Women are jealous and envious of each other, and it's always a competition, the better looking ladies gets more attention and are hated by the lesser good looking ladies, and much the same among men.

But there are also a number of highly civilized and educated individuals that do not participate openly in those social games at a bar, but they show it through other ways - the clothes they're wearing, where they're living etc...

And most women want to find a man that they can feel safe with, and in todays society that often means money. So if you drive a nice car, live at a nice address, have a swimming pool and a sauna, a beautiful home, a good paying job and have a good looking body and have nice manners, the girls will be ready for you. But even though the selection might be bigger, not all girls are attracted to all of this, even though the majority might be. Everyone wants a good and comfortable life.

So the glam-girl who finds the finance dude and they go live together in a nice mansion in the most expensive part of town, in reality it's an exchange of services, the man trades his power, money, fame and status with her beatuty and sexual services.

We can constantly see this in our society. Those who are similar to each other, will find each other. That's why you see white thrash marry white thrash and high end marry high end.

And yes, I don't think there's any practise in reality from the woman who is a high class escort and is selective of her clients, and the woman who marry's a rich guy to live comfortably. But you might even find a lady working full time at a super market who'd never marry a rich guy, even if it meant a easier life for her. Some people have self respect, and will not give it up for money and material things.

So my own conclusion is that, no - not all women are prostitututes, and the number of women who are depends on the definition of prostitution, I think that any woman who trade her female assets for anything materialistic is a prostitute, even if she's married to the guy. Of course, a lot of women in those positions would be outraged to have such  a claim directed at them. And they would say they're married because of love, the fact that their man is filthy rich is just a coincidence.

It's interesting, because there's several levels of social status, and we will find that the individuals on each level most often are quite equal. The good looking finance dude usually has some trophy wife, and the garbage man usually have some lardy cleaning woman as his wife.

We could also turn the question around: "Are all men pigs and horny bastards?"

While evolution will have it that most of us infact are, and most of us would jump on an attractive lady if the circumstances were right, there's exceptions to this. Some men are in fact concerned about not having sex before marriage, and are highly religious, others might not be 100% healthy, and some again may be introverts not seeking the companyship of such a lady - as they're simply too scared.

While it's possible to generalize to a large extent, just saying that all women are prostitutes and all men are pigs is oversimplifying and making the entire issue tabloid.

While some women might care that the man can provide them with a good wife car, a nice home, travels and exotic vacations, other women might be more interested in having the man stroke her chin at unexpected moments, doing the dishes, and participating in house work, taking out the garbage, cutting the grass, walking with her looking at the stars in a dark night etc.

There's a whole world out there where people actually have quite different values than those found in LA and on MTV.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: Lauda on April 05, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Satoshi Kanazawa is a British-based Japanese evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics.

He obviously doesn't have any real life experience
Who are you to talk compared to him?
Life experience is what formed his opinion.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: john641 on April 05, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
If my girlfriend give me money, foods and chocolate, Am I a prostitute too?


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: Hazir on April 05, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
Men can be prostitutes? Having sex for money is prostitution but having it for food  and to gain personal advantage is just normal? 


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: zolace on April 05, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
I have a question for this Satoshi Kanazawa:Is your mom an "Essentially Prostitute"?Because this is the question that comes in my mind after reading his article .


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: cosmofly on April 05, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
I find this man offensive

I respect women


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 06, 2014, 01:53:17 AM
That statement,  ‘Are All Women Essentially Prostitutes?’ is a tabloid headline, made to attract viewers.
^^
True

inb4 crappy satoshi joke

The whole op/thread title is a crappy satoshi joke.
Glad to see some quality responses.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: bitgeek on April 06, 2014, 02:01:08 AM
I wonder what he thinks of rich women, that don't need anything from their men. This whole assumption is a joke Mr Satoshi.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: TheFootMan on April 11, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
On a practical note, if we look at evolution only, the purpose of any species is the survival of the species, so if all female subjects of a certain species was promiscuous this would contribute to survival of the species, ie. creating offspring.

Also, if we look at it without emotion, the phrase 'all women are prostitutes' would not be shocking or controversial.

It's funny though - we're only on this planet for about 70 years on average, and we spend so much time fighting over minute issues that does not really matter, and we let ourselves be angry and upset about other people who deliberately use controversy to provide for their own survival (ie. viewcounts, booksales, promotions, tv-appearances etc.).

Generally though, I spend less and less time becoming upset about what other people do - most of the time I can do very little about it, no matter what they do.


Title: Re: Satoshi Kanazawa asks: Are All Women Prostitues?
Post by: TheFootMan on April 11, 2014, 05:53:44 PM
You want to create offspring with desirable traits.

On that note it's quite interesting that highly educated and resourceful couples have few children, while those with lack of resources tend to get more kids. So dumb people breed faster?