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As many of you already know, josh (inaba) is running a contest to win a monarch if you post positive trust on 3 bfl accounts and leave negative trust on 3 critics accounts every day. This is not a temporary problem because the contest is never ending so it needs to be dealt with. (ends when they begin shipping)

More about the contest: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549403.0

I think this is spam and abuse of the trust system. Josh seems to think this proves that the system is flawed but I disagree. Blatant trust manipulation can be dealt with by mods/administrators with little effort.

So should those who have sold their sole and dignity for the chance to win some vaporware be banned?

Maybe they should be banned until monarchs finally ship?

I think they should be banned, but it may not be feasible for the mods, who would have to sift through ratings and try to determine the legitimate feedbacks from the spammy ones. It shouldn't be too hard for us to go through the feedback of people we want to deal with unless they have tons of phony feedback.

I'm not for or against your proposition, but theymos isn't going to do anything about this.

It wouldn't be necessary to permanently ban them as the community has proven it will punish those who abuse/try to game the trust system. There's no reason not to have some sort of temp ban though. Also, I think the rate at which can place trust should be limited based on your site ranking.

I disagree with it being impossible. It is blatantly obvious who is spamming trust. Looking at inaba's profile it takes me a few seconds to see which people are posting fake positive feedback daily.

There are only like 10 of them.

In fact a list has already been compiled of the spammers:

18.

And most certainly 50% of them are multis created by BFL.

There were some sending random altcoins to others and making them give them +trust for it.

I reported the dude and he did get banned in the end, but it sure took some time.

What was funny was that no one was caring about what was happening. Posting away like headless chicken to get their coins which are probably worthless by now.
While someone else was building up trust to get away(scam) a lot of coins of some poor soul in the future.

real trust spamming:
LittleD did the same like Josh.

Don't you understand that accepting bribes to spam fake trust ratings is untrustworthy? That is why you have

Trust:   -1083: -8 / +3(3)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

You were fooled by josh.

Are you really so stupid?? If Josh would want to increase his trust rating he would'nt  create the topic...
Turn on your brain!!!

Main goal of Josh's contest is - show people that trust system is broken.
I started to participate Josh's contest because I share Josh's goal.

I'm still me. One of the most honest people at this forum. And your trust ranking only confirms that trust system is broken.

You have no reasonable arguments. So you are trying to ban people who are keen to show the truth.

Josh knows his customers are stupid enough to do something like this. Anyone with a brain knows there is no way any trust system can avoid paid shills.

Let me repeat that: there is no way to avoid shills like yourself. But you were stupid enough to shill openly so we all know that you are untrustworthy.

Josh knew you shills/spammers would get banned/ratings removed and he will end the contest and you will have sold your sole for literally nothing.

LittleD feedback to me:

Will any evidence be provided? I'm not a scammer. I'm not bribed.
Generally, I think I should leave negative trusts to anyone who wrote lies about me....
But trust system is not working...

Ideally yes but can't see it happening anytime soon

 Again, I resent the implication and question your motivation.

I believe that the consequences of the Josh's contest will be only positive.
If you believe that the trust system works, then you wouldn't have be so much butthurt  :D

My motivation has many reasons. Anyone who says that I am bribed or scammer is a liar.

 It's not a matter of butthurt, but a simple matter of resenting being called a spammer. Your assessment of the reality of the situation is misguided at worst, and woefully ignorant at best.

 I would be interested in knowing your definition of what constitutes spamming if you want to turn this into a semantic argument.

 If leaving a single comment per user about them gaming the trust system as part of this reprehensible and obscene "contest" constitutes spamming, then I'm guilty as charged, and question your ethics and morals.

Amazing that you have no shame considering the hundreds of people scammed by BFL. Ethics is something that these paid off BFL stooges have no problem avoiding. Whether it trying to turn the tables on the people who fight the scams or bold face lie for a chance to win a piece of non-existent mining equipment with a chip some fully 14 months in development and still it is not ready.

You can't tell these guys the difference of giving a single negative rating ever versus the 6 daily and these shills will likely be doing for this for at least another 3 to 4 months. Let us count that 1 vs. 180 trust ratings submitted. Yes they are exactly the same are they not. Failed logic, failed company, failed contest, failed protest. You just look foolish with every post just like BFL. If it looks like, acts like and smells like spam it is probably is spam keep posting. I do enjoy watching the futility of your efforts.

If everyone would have ethics and morals like my than the world would be without any crime or scam...

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=558001.msg6083145#msg6083145
2. hundreds of people scammed every day by many companies, you are only antiBFL.
Where are your threads about vircurex, Neo_and_Bee, other companies ??
You do not care about scammed people, you just hate BFL.

You don't need leave 6 feedbacks daily....
Read  the terms of the contest carefully!

 Forgiving the fact that you are completely avoiding the questions, explain to me again how I am spamming by shining the light on Butterfly Labs supporters, like yourself, who are polluting the forum trust system in the name of some misguided "contest" ?

You're doing the same things like Butterfly Labs supporters.
You're lying about people just because you think that you are helping the forum.

By taking part in their contest , you are being bribed.

You are giving fake trust , in return for a chance to win some BFL crap.

How is that not bribery ?

Can I have other reasons to participate in the contest ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559636.msg6108447#msg6108447

Prove that I'm bribed (if you can) :D
Although I understand that to lie without the facts is much easier  ::)
Can you remind me when we did the deal on the 999 BTC ??
Hahah

 ...yet you are being bribed with a chance to win a free Monarch ?

 How is that fact a lie ?

 Chances are, if that carrot was not being dangled in front of you, you would not be participating in this charade.

I participate in the contest not because of the chance to win the monarch.
I have several reasons to participate in this.
Chance to win a free Monarch is only 1 reason, not main reason.
I can not say that I'm bribed.

So yes, everyone, who says that I'm bribed, is a liar.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe I'm wrong, English is not my native language.

1. Chance to win a free Monarch is only 1 reason, not main reason.
2. I participate in the contest not because of the chance to win the monarch.

Is it a contradiction ?

Not sure if those Imperial Monarch units will even make it to market if these claims bare fruit BFL is in serious trouble. You are backing a company that defrauds people and your actions are ethically challenged. You admit to doing this in the BFL forums simply to win hardware. There is no argument you can make that absolves you of accepting a bribe. Bribery the act of giving money or a gift which alters the your behaviour. You never posted a SINGLE time about anyone of the 6 accounts you are posting on until you stipulated you wanted to "win" the Monarch and then participated. Your behaviour was changed by the contest. You posted only after you learned of the contest. You are done. Bribed. End of discussion.

What is really morally reprehensible is you are promoting a company that is claimed to do the following and there will definitely be a paper trail for this trust me. There are hundreds of people who were and are being injured by BFL and you are still supporting their efforts here. Why? Because you are being bribed to do so. Cheaply bribed with only the promise of a miner that is currently 14 months in development and for all accounts and purposes VAPORWARE. You have sold your integrity for a promise on nothing but air. Deceived so easily? Wow you might want to rethink your position you obviously are not unintelligent so that leaves morally and ethically impaired. Have a look at the people your positive trust are alleged to do.


http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf

I am sure more people will be joining in on this class action suit.

What will be interesting is if they can prove these claims which shouldn't be too hard given there are people who can probably testify to this practice:

Well if people are abusing the trust system one thing to do would be giving them some type of negative rep for others to know that their credibility is in question to say the least and maybe some other form of reprimanding in conjunction would help remedy the issue.

dva-Putin, is that you?