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but he found like 900,000 BTC in the past month (i read the articles).  so doesn't that make him a "good" guy, the likes of Dorian?

I think this guy is going to need a miracle to be redeemed in the eyes of the community.

Starbucks is about to be his best friend, when he cashes in the btc he stole and becomes #1 customer.

what is the total amount lost, after the recent amount found is added in

Who cares....he hasnt repaid anyone with what he found....

that would be funny if the price jumps up $1500 overnight and people go from "where's my money?  to YEAH!  Mark u rule!"

I don't think he's "bad." But he made some VERY big mistakes that hurt a lot of people and needs to answer for that.


I don't know how the laws are in Japan, but I'm pretty sure that being in bankruptcy he's not legally allowed to pay anyone back.

I think the general consensus is that he hasn't actually found these BTC because they were never lost, but has pretended that he found them. The theory being he was trying to steal them for himself but has come to realise that the coins would be traced after good hackers uncovered where some of them had been stashed so he had no option but to reveal their location.

You do not lose 900k or even 100k BTC. It does not happen. He basically was trying to pretend hackers stole the coins right?

Clarification please


Did I mix up stories?

How, exactly, does the FBI have a shred of jurisdiction over a French guy with a company based in Japan?

What'd I miss here?

You hit the mark straight on my friend..Mark jut backtracked his original scam because he thought no one would find out, upon realizing how much of a idiot he was/is, he decided to play it off as though he "found" it.

I really wonder whether Mark K and his defense team is using Bitcointalk and other BTC -related forums to launch a PR campaign on his behalf.

Tell that to the guy who threw away his hard drive.

It seems like he was a pretty irresponsible guy who might have thought "We should put some of this bitcoin in cold storage." Stuck it on a thumb drive and put it in some cabinet and forgot about it. I've done half-assed things like that. Remember that he might have done it when a bitcoin was only worth $2 so it didn't seem like as big of a deal as it does to us now.

Don't get me wrong, he may be a total thief that almost got away with it, but assuming that's the case doesn't help.

a "thief" is someone who carries a gun and threatens people.  Mark isn't like that.  I know him personally.  He is a good guy  ;D ;D

Yeh the guy with a history of fraud who attempted one of the worlds biggest robberies is a top bloke!

Where in the world did you come up with 900,000 number????  All articles say mtgox "found" a wallet with 200,000 BTC.  That's not even a quarter of what Mark Karpeles and his associates lost/stole from people that trusted (WHY???) them. And he tanked bitcoin in the process.

Look at the guy, does he look trustworthy to you? If you say "yes" then good luck with all the money you still have.

that was the first article, the second article was the 700,000 BTC.  and he DOES look trustworthy.  i'd trust anyone who drinks Starbucks(R) every day.  at least he's not buying guns

Unless that just happened today and I don't know about it.... your 700,000 BTC figure is a straight lie.  I will believe what you said if you post a link to the article (from a reputable source) mentioning the newly discovered 700,000 BTC you're referring to.  That's funny how that is NOT on mtgox's home page, I would expect such news to be there.

Hehe I found the coins I stole from you so I am not a bad guy :)
Although I do get you were joking ^_^

...and they are right!

I really don't see what the point of making this thread was...
Unless it's like someone said, that Mark K.'s law team has started some PR campaign trying to change public opinion...
But yes, he is bad. This can be remarkably changed around after he returns everyone's "stolen" "property." < LOL at property.

And there is actually a Bitcoin Magazine in publication...
If you are not a part of this OP, please GTFO or change your name.

bitcoin magazine as in magazine of a gun.  

and i'll shoot you with some bBTCitcoins if your not careful

and seriously.  if this guy wants to live without working, like someone on disability, i'd have to guess Mark Karpeles is one of those golden umbrella keeper guys like Kenneth Lay?  how gay is that

he has a family and kids like everyone else.

i don't want to portray Him as a bad guy.

Well, yes, he's bad.

Losing or stealing half a billion dollars worth of customer assets makes you a bad guy.

now this is the part i don't get.  he took all the fiat from the customers but where did the fiat go?  we could at least refund the people what they spent for the BTCitcoinz

Whats that even suppose to mean.....

 ::)




https://i.imgur.com/JjLzZNg.jpg

A strange world in which we live in. Steal $100, and you go to jail. Steal hundreds of millions of $$$, and you are still free!

Link please.
You can prove this?

That's because the godvernment has them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530300.new

OK, be so kind as to tell him, to release their coins to MtGox users.

Eitherway, he's still not giving any coin found back and has no reason to.  He just has to watchi his back in public for now on.

I am sure that soon he'll find the coins. The US authorities have taken all the necessary steps to bring him to face the justice. The only way for him to avoid a lengthy prison sentence now is to return those coins back to their rightful owners.

I'm looking forward to seeing his excuse the day he says he found all the coins.

You don't just 'lose' 100,000BTC - 900,000BTC, if I ever was responsible for that much money it would most likely be at the corner of my mind constantly and I'd have to check it, hell I don't even have a lot of gemstones and silver yet but I'm constantly worrying about losing them, but then again, I seem to have more of a conscience than he does.

I don't like to pass judgement very often before all the evidence is out but it honestly looks to me like he was planning a getaway with all that cash and somebody ratted him out then the authorities caught up to him, so now he's going to invent any excuse he can to make himself look innocent. My alarms went off when he started blaming the Bitcoin code because if there was a problem that big then people would have been all over it because it's open source and all the altcoin devs would be running around like headless chickens.

We'll have to wait and see though whether or not he can produce any evidence to back up his claims or he's just going to keep making more excuses.

Now I didn't get Gox'd mind you, but I kind of don't want the US go.v (or any other govs) getting involved with taking him to face justice. That is against what Bitcoin is all about. How can we claim to be decentralized and controlled by no government, but want them to step in and get involved when a problem happens? I've heard BTC referred to as the Wild West right now because it's unregulated, and I actually kinda like that metaphor. It's true though, there ARE definitely scammers and gangsters out there. It's up to us to stick together, spread good, trusted word-of-mouth about companies amongst each other, and build a stronger community where only the trustworthy (secure) businesses survive.

Too late now, the Gov's are involved.
The Wild West is/was "fun", but you don't steal over $500,000,000 without facing serious legal issues.

Mtgox is registered in usa too.

Just because we want it to be decentralised and not actually controlled by a government doesn't mean we condone or should condone theft from others. I'm personally fine with him facing court considering he either tried to seal the coins or was just grossly negligent and incompetent - to the point he should never ever run an exchange again (not that I think he will).

lol. "found." right...

Just like he found the 200,000 BTCs in a forgotten wallet two weeks ago. How shameless can this guy get?

When you find something in your wallet not belonging to you is it stealing or finding....

I don't know if he's bad or good, but he's disorganized and irresponsible. He's making all of us Bitcoin people look bad. People ask me, "is bitcoin not safe?" And I have to explain to them that Bitcoin is safe, it's the Bitcoin exchanges that can be unreliable. It's like if a bank gets robbed, you don't blame the U.S. dollar; so when a Bitcoin bank gets robbed, you mustn't blame Bitcoin.

His failure put bad image on every bitcoin user. Because of him cryptocurrencies will take long time to recover.

if your name indicates you write for a magazine as your day job. then please find a new career.

he didnt FIND coins.. he remembered/admitted where he hid them. but only after american lawyers demanded that he goes to america to be deposed..

Does anyone have an address for him? He holds quiet a lot of my money and I wish to contact him about it in person. He started gox through fraud and I doubt he had much money of his own at the time, any personal wealth he has now was gained through gox imo.
I wonder on his personal holdings, web sites and net cafes etc, what does that add up to?

For those who wish the matter to just go away, they remind me of the type who tells a victim of rape to go clean themselves up as it is unpleasant to look at them. We are not bots but very real people.

that'll get him what...2 venti mocha's and a scone?