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Economy => Marketplace => Topic started by: TooDumbForBitcoin on April 08, 2014, 07:37:59 PM



Title: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: TooDumbForBitcoin on April 08, 2014, 07:37:59 PM
It's been a while (several hours, at least) since I've posted a dumb question, and I need the practice.

Is there an opportunity in the bitcoin economy for selling double-spend insurance to merchants who believe their best business practice is to accept 0-conf transactions?







Title: Re: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: bitcoinbeliever on July 25, 2014, 04:28:45 AM
Not a bad idea, but the bitcoin network is working against you.  It silently buries all evidence of double-spend attempts.  Here is data from one node that publishes the re-spend attempts that it sees though.

http://respends.thinlink.com (http://respends.thinlink.com)



Title: Re: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: Malin Keshar on July 25, 2014, 09:20:21 AM
Deppends how often people in fact try to double spend with 0 confirmation transaction.

Usually business that use 0-conf transactions(casinos, and online stores) only allow withdraw after confirmations, or just don't ship until confirmation.


Title: Re: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: Shogen on July 25, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
Not a bad idea, but the bitcoin network is working against you.  It silently buries all evidence of double-spend attempts.  Here is data from one node that publishes the re-spend attempts that it sees though.

http://respends.thinlink.com (http://respends.thinlink.com)

Thanks for sharing the page.
That is interesting, but I can't find the meaning of those green, yellow and red boxes.
Do you know what they represent?



Forget it, it is right in the bottom of the page. :)



Title: Re: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: goose20 on July 25, 2014, 02:35:09 PM
It's been a while (several hours, at least) since I've posted a dumb question, and I need the practice.

Is there an opportunity in the bitcoin economy for selling double-spend insurance to merchants who believe their best business practice is to accept 0-conf transactions?


I'd say definitely. People will always try to get one over on others unfortunately - and as long as that holds true, I think there will be a market for said insurance.



Title: Re: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 27, 2014, 04:15:48 AM
There might be a market, but everyday merchants will use something like BitPay. Merchants that process their own Bitcoin transactions are very low.


Title: Re: Double-spend insurance for 0-conf transactions?
Post by: SHA255 on July 27, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
I think there would be a market for this, however it would be very easy for the merchant to abuse the insurance company.

The merchant could simply send funds to themselves for a "purchase" and attempt to double spend the transaction, whenever they are successful they would file a claim with the insurance company. The merchant would have no losses but would be paid by the insurance company (the insurance company would think they have losses).