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Title: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Legal Counsel Zhou (PRC) on April 10, 2014, 05:10:07 AM
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尊敬的火币网用户:

      火币网最新信息:
      今天上午10时左右接到工行中关村支行客户经理通知,接到上级运行管理部的通知,要求停止工行为火币网提供服务,在4月18日前完成火币网工行账户的销户。

      上午10点30分左右,火币网几位合伙人赶到工行中关村支行,与支行的客户经理当面沟通了解情况。
情况如下:
      1)确实接到工行上级通知,要求停止火币网在工行中关村支行的账户,限期为4月18日;
      2)通知为口头通知,支行未接到任何书面文件;
      3)问到其他行为什么没有发通知,答称可能不同银行对政策的解读不一样,敏感度也不一样;
      4)问有没有回旋余地,答称没有,因为是上级通知,不是商量;
      5)问到如何处理用户的后续资金管理,答称可以把资金转移到其他商业银行,但是工行肯定是不可以了。

      其中,还向客户经理请教了对于这次比特币政策的看法以及其他相关事情,但因均是个人观点不代表工行的立场也与火币网直接业务关系不大,不在本通知中一一说明。

      上午12点,赶回公司发公告。发公告之前,未向任何用户或组织提前透露该信息,请广大用户监督。

      火币网将于下周一(4月14号)正式停止使用工行中关村支行账户充值和提现(用户工商银行帐号提现不受影响,我们将使用其他银行跨行转账到您的工行账户中),目前为止其他银行暂时还不受影响,有最新消息火币网将在第一时间发布。
  

      火币网运营部
      2014/04/10

10:00 shut down letter received
10:30 arrived at bank branch office for face to face clarification
1) huobi account at bank branch to be shut down apr 18
2) shut down ordered by central bank authority
3) order received through spoken word directly; no paper trail
4) whether there is any way to circumvent; No
5) user funds must transfer out to another bank before apr 18
12:00 press release



Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 10, 2014, 05:22:20 AM
Yawn
Old news is old.
Soon the market will no longer respond to China.

Did you see this?
Major French Supermarket Chain to Accept Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563444.0


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: LeChatNoir on April 10, 2014, 05:38:22 AM
Wow it's the 47th time the same news is reiterated. It just keeps coming out again and again, and every time it's sell off time.

I'm buying as much as i can, if it drops below 250$ by then i will be 100% in BTC.

TY monkeys for selling as low as 400$ see you again on 5 digits bye bye!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 10, 2014, 05:44:41 AM
Wow it's the 47th time the same news is reiterated. It just keeps coming out again and again, and every time it's sell off time.

I'm buying as much as i can, if it drops below 250$ by then i will be 100% in BTC.

TY monkeys for selling as low as 400$ see you again on 5 digits bye bye!

Feels like the 547th time the same news is reiterated.
The price we pay for having had a China Bubble?
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: TTM on April 10, 2014, 06:19:07 AM
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
This ban doesn't mean a large amount of BTC is confined inside China. "Strong hands" in China are buying now so they can dump later on international exchanges. That'll be real diaster.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 10, 2014, 06:23:03 AM
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
This ban doesn't mean a large amount of BTC is confined inside China. "Strong hands" in China are buying now so they can dump later on international exchanges. That'll be real diaster.

I'll answer that with a quote from BTC-e trollbox live:
"I guess once china is out, America can really control crypto... we become the number 1 player once again.. and with wall street buying in, I really don't see this as a bad thing." (user: SatoshiNakaMario:)

Bye China, you were fun for a while...


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: sidhujag on April 10, 2014, 06:27:49 AM
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
This ban doesn't mean a large amount of BTC is confined inside China. "Strong hands" in China are buying now so they can dump later on international exchanges. That'll be real diaster.

I'll answer that with a quote from BTC-e trollbox live:
"I guess once china is out, America can really control crypto... we become the number 1 player once again.. and with wall street buying in, I really don't see this as a bad thing." (user: SatoshiNakaMario:)

Bye China, you were fun for a while...

Then we will be at $50 again if china is really out


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: YogoH on April 10, 2014, 06:28:27 AM
It is only one bank, it says their other banks are not affected.


This reminds me of when china banned 3rd party payment processors, yet they are still around...


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: TTM on April 10, 2014, 06:33:11 AM
It is only one bank, it says their other banks are not affected.

Other banks will do the same very soon. The order came from central bank, so every banks inside China will have to do it.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jubalix on April 10, 2014, 06:53:18 AM
4 post account newb.

Where has that new purgatory gone, we need to keep them there, to get more signal less noise.


3) order received through spoken word directly; no paper trail

FUD...and who cares any more.....its been the nth time this thread has been run. If people haven't priced this in by now...well then that just bad luck.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: TTM on April 10, 2014, 07:00:13 AM
4 post account newb.

Where has that new purgatory gone, we need to keep them there, to get more signal less noise.


3) order received through spoken word directly; no paper trail

FUD...and who cares any more.....its been the nth time this thread has been run. If people haven't priced this in by now...well then that just bad luck.
It's your choice to believe a 4 posts user or not, but i guess you can't ignore official website of Huobi:
http://www.huobi.com/news/index.php?a=show_notice&id=303


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Equate on April 10, 2014, 07:03:27 AM
I would like China to be out from Bitcoin . It's same shit as gox , same FUD every now and then.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: medicine on April 10, 2014, 07:12:24 AM
Wow it's the 47th time the same news is reiterated. It just keeps coming out again and again, and every time it's sell off time.

I'm buying as much as i can, if it drops below 250$ by then i will be 100% in BTC.

TY monkeys for selling as low as 400$ see you again on 5 digits bye bye!

Feels like the 547th time the same news is reiterated.
The price we pay for having had a China Bubble?
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
Ya you mean  21,000,000,000,000,000 units.  Isn't that a lot? Just saying the scarcity argument has been debunked.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: howzar on April 10, 2014, 07:15:00 AM
Yawn
Old news is old.
Soon the market will no longer respond to China.

Did you see this?
Major French Supermarket Chain to Accept Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563444.0


You have to learn that the community reacts much more to bad news than good news :(


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 10, 2014, 07:16:23 AM
Wow it's the 47th time the same news is reiterated. It just keeps coming out again and again, and every time it's sell off time.

I'm buying as much as i can, if it drops below 250$ by then i will be 100% in BTC.

TY monkeys for selling as low as 400$ see you again on 5 digits bye bye!

Feels like the 547th time the same news is reiterated.
The price we pay for having had a China Bubble?
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
Ya you mean  21,000,000,000,000,000 units.  Isn't that a lot? Just saying the scarcity argument has been debunked.


The scarcity argument has been debunked only in terms of "will there be enough BTC to use as money".

No it hasn't been "debunked" in terms of rarity.
If you want to own 1 whole BTC, the price will probably be much higher in the future.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2014, 07:22:22 AM
Before the China bubble, BTC was trading at $400 levels. China took it to $1,200. Now Gox has taken BTC back to $400. Have to see how much lower China will take it now.  :(


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 10, 2014, 07:23:02 AM
Yawn
Old news is old.
Soon the market will no longer respond to China.

Did you see this?
Major French Supermarket Chain to Accept Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563444.0


You have to learn that the community reacts much more to bad news than good news :(

That is temporary:
When the Bear cycle ends the market will react strongly to good news, and often shrug off the bad.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jubalix on April 10, 2014, 07:58:12 AM
4 post account newb.

Where has that new purgatory gone, we need to keep them there, to get more signal less noise.


3) order received through spoken word directly; no paper trail

FUD...and who cares any more.....its been the nth time this thread has been run. If people haven't priced this in by now...well then that just bad luck.
It's your choice to believe a 4 posts user or not, but i guess you can't ignore official website of Huobi:
http://www.huobi.com/news/index.php?a=show_notice&id=303

google translate says:


5 ) asked how to handle the user's subsequent capital management , replied that the funds can be transferred to other commercial banks , but ICBC is definitely not it.

so off to other banks in Hong Kong!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: freedomno1 on April 10, 2014, 07:59:22 AM
Well I will be happy when 8 more days pass by and we see this calming down


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: ljudotina on April 10, 2014, 07:59:45 AM
Before the China bubble, BTC was trading at $400 levels. China took it to $1,200. Now Gox has taken BTC back to $400. Have to see how much lower China will take it now.  :(

Gox + partly China got it down to 400. Dont forget that we had 2 of this news until now and both time price dropped.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2014, 08:12:27 AM
Gox + partly China got it down to 400. Dont forget that we had 2 of this news until now and both time price dropped.

Yes... but the earlier news from China was not that bad. Today some really scary news emerged (see OP). Looking at the BTC-E chart, I can see that the prices are yet to stabilize.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Legal Counsel Zhou (PRC) on April 10, 2014, 09:10:07 AM
remains to be seen which bank branch feels comfortable with a private person (company accounts outlawed previously) trying to open a billion-yuan volume account with reason: "this hot money was denied elsewhere." - i am very interested.

ps: yes, account has 4 posts because i've been read-only for years



Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: medicine on April 10, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
Wow it's the 47th time the same news is reiterated. It just keeps coming out again and again, and every time it's sell off time.

I'm buying as much as i can, if it drops below 250$ by then i will be 100% in BTC.

TY monkeys for selling as low as 400$ see you again on 5 digits bye bye!

Feels like the 547th time the same news is reiterated.
The price we pay for having had a China Bubble?
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
Ya you mean  21,000,000,000,000,000 units.  Isn't that a lot? Just saying the scarcity argument has been debunked.


The scarcity argument has been debunked only in terms of "will there be enough BTC to use as money".

No it hasn't been "debunked" in terms of rarity.
If you want to own 1 whole BTC, the price will probably be much higher in the future.
I argue that bitcoins are not scarce, or rare.  There are more satoshis than there are cents, so I think even though there is a cap on the number of bitcions issued, which is cool, the US dollar is more scarce at this moment than satoshis.  I do agree that BTC value will be going up against the dollar in the future.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: howzar on April 10, 2014, 09:27:55 AM
Yawn
Old news is old.
Soon the market will no longer respond to China.

Did you see this?
Major French Supermarket Chain to Accept Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563444.0


You have to learn that the community reacts much more to bad news than good news :(

That is temporary:
When the Bear cycle ends the market will react strongly to good news, and often shrug off the bad.

Thats what we are all hoping will happen! :) Guess we will have to wait and see!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on April 10, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Can't believe this thread caused somebody to dump his coins violently dropping the price to ~$415.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2014, 10:56:25 AM
Can't believe this thread caused somebody to dump his coins violently dropping the price to ~$415.

Are you referring to the 3,000 BTC dump which occurred at BTC-E? That happened after BTC hit the rock bottom, at $412. Surprisingly, the price went down to $403, recovering very quickly. Right now trading at $410.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: billysweird on April 10, 2014, 11:16:46 AM
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
This ban doesn't mean a large amount of BTC is confined inside China. "Strong hands" in China are buying now so they can dump later on international exchanges. That'll be real diaster.

I'll answer that with a quote from BTC-e trollbox live:
"I guess once china is out, America can really control crypto... we become the number 1 player once again.. and with wall street buying in, I really don't see this as a bad thing." (user: SatoshiNakaMario:)

Bye China, you were fun for a while...

How will it go if China is out! It might be back to 100 again!!!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 10, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
This ban doesn't mean a large amount of BTC is confined inside China. "Strong hands" in China are buying now so they can dump later on international exchanges. That'll be real diaster.

I'll answer that with a quote from BTC-e trollbox live:
"I guess once china is out, America can really control crypto... we become the number 1 player once again.. and with wall street buying in, I really don't see this as a bad thing." (user: SatoshiNakaMario:)

Bye China, you were fun for a while...

How will it go if China is out! It might be back to 100 again!!!

At $407 now...
Well, sell if you are scared, but it will simply drop then recover.
Wait, don't sell, or you will make the price plummet even more xD


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: TTM on April 10, 2014, 12:26:36 PM
At $407 now...
Well, sell if you are scared, but it will simply drop then recover.
Wait, don't sell, or you will make the price plummet even more xD
I sold most of my coins 2 weeks ago at 500 range when the rumor first appeared. I just want to wait till 15th to see how things would go and how deep the price would drop, then buy back.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 10, 2014, 12:31:43 PM
At $407 now...
Well, sell if you are scared, but it will simply drop then recover.
Wait, don't sell, or you will make the price plummet even more xD
I sold most of my coins 2 weeks ago at 500 range when the rumor first appeared. I just want to wait till 15th to see how things would go and how deep the price would drop, then buy back.

I just sold half of my coins. Dunno what to do now, will probably hold the others.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: franky1 on April 10, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
to everyone getting panicky over china, please ask yourself.

do YOU have a chinese bank account
do YOU use Yuan
Do YOU exchange bitcoins for Yuan

if not, then china does not affect YOU!!!

if everyone realises that china does not affect them, then there is no reason to sell your bitcoins on western exchanges. as they are their own entity separate from the chinese exchanges.

the only impact that western people will see, is if they sell at a loss to cause a panic sell.. DO NOT panic sell. you are only shooting yourselves in the foot by tanking the price on western exchanges for no reason, but panic.

this is why bitstamp/btc-e is not $100, because SMART people realised that MTGox is a separate exchange that does not directly impact other exchanges, that only people cause the impacts based on no physical connection, only emotion. and as such the smart whales of bitstamp and BTC-e did not cause a large panic down to $100.

a few sheeple did panicsell, causing the price drop from $1000 to $650. but again not all th way down to $100. so learn the lessons of smart people. dont panic and dont tank the price. only human emotion of sheeple is the cause of western exchanges tanking.

i know people that will say they will sell because they know sheeple will sell.. well thats a chicken and egg conundrum. do not be the chicken running for its life because it thinks it will be slaughtered. instead be the egg, knowing its got a long life ahead of it


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jc12345 on April 10, 2014, 01:08:46 PM
I hope that this will also cause Chinese ASIC manufacturers to switch from making ASICs to widgets - so that the difficulty can stabilise a bit.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: j3steven on April 10, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Doesnt this read, as all the exact same "releases" have said, that Chinese banks cannot buy BTC for their internal investment portfolios and the banks have to register by April 15th to work with BTC exchanges?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Lauda on April 10, 2014, 01:49:32 PM
Before the China bubble, BTC was trading at $400 levels. China took it to $1,200. Now Gox has taken BTC back to $400. Have to see how much lower China will take it now.  :(
This is all temporary.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: RomertL on April 10, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
Before the China bubble, BTC was trading at $400 levels. China took it to $1,200. Now Gox has taken BTC back to $400. Have to see how much lower China will take it now.  :(

Gox + partly China got it down to 400. Dont forget that we had 2 of this news until now and both time price dropped.

Gox + China + IRS?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: zolace on April 10, 2014, 01:59:31 PM
Yeah I agree on all of this, China and anyone who is negative for bitcoin need to go, Tired of the negativity and harm they are doing, if MT gox stole 800,000 bitcoins then let it be, there still enough bitcoins.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: master-P on April 10, 2014, 02:26:56 PM
There is a potential for a substantial flash crash if the Chinese suddenly offload a lot of coins, whether people like it or not. I don't think think China is suddenly going to get out of BTC even if it gets banned, so I guess the negativity will continue until the next major news event.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Joe_Bauers on April 10, 2014, 02:31:40 PM


Would love to see it hit $10 and stay there for about six or more months.

It would purge the weak hands and wannabes.

The December 2011 crash to less than $2.00 was awesome for buying!


~BCX~

This * a lot!  I had a chance to get in big in 2011 and squandered it. Lesson learned!!!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: franky1 on April 10, 2014, 02:51:53 PM
the OP has also mis-translated the chinese notice, and tried to simplify it based on his opinion:

google translation of the full document, no summerising, no cutting out paragraphs.. what you read in the quote is a the entire announcement, all i have done was highlight in red (without editing out) one sentance. thus the words (though poorly translated by google) are their in their entirety
please don't base yor opinions on the OP's edited and truncated english version. always try to translate source material in its completeness

Quote
Dear fire coins network users :

      Fire currency net latest information :
      Today around 10:00 Zhongguancun Branch of ICBC received notification client manager , received notice of higher operation and management department , fire behavior to stop working currency network to provide services to complete the sales currency net household fire ICBC account in April 18 .

      10:30 or so, fire a few coins network partner arrived at Zhongguancun Branch of ICBC , the branch manager of client face to face communication to understand the situation .
Follows :
      1 ) ICBC superiors did receive a notice to stop the fire coins Network account Zhongguancun Branch of ICBC , the deadline is April 18 ;
      2 ) notify the oral notification , Branch not received any written document ;
      3 ) asked what other acts did not send a notice replied that the policy may be interpreted in different banks is not the same , the sensitivity is not the same ;
      4 ) There is no leeway asked , replied that no , because it is superior notification , not consultation ;
      5 ) asked how to handle the user's subsequent capital management , replied that the funds can be transferred to other commercial banks , but ICBC is definitely not it.

      Among them, also to ask the client manager for the Bitcoin policy views and other related things , but are the personal views do not represent the position of the bank is also little direct business relationship with the fire currency network , not the one described in this notice .

      12:00 , sent back to the company announcement . Prior to the announcement issued not earlier disclose that information to any user or organization, the majority of users supervision.

      Fire currency network will be next Monday ( April 14th ) officially stopped using ICBC Zhongguancun Branch account recharge and withdrawals ( user ICBC account withdrawals are not affected, we will use other bank fund transfer to your ICBC account ) , so far other banks temporarily affected, the latest news will be posted net currency of fire for the first time .
  

      Fire coins Network Operations
      2014/04/10

my opinion:
on the 14th a business changes bank account, with no impact on deposits or withdrawals. they then have 4 days to receive any delayed deposits that customers have sent to the old bank account. and move it to the new account. the business has access of both accounts between the 14th and 18th, and as such any customers accidentally depositing to the old account will still be credited to their exchange balance without impact.

summary:
as of the 14th, please use the new bank details for depositing, as the old details wont be accepted after the 18th.

no panic required


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2014, 03:10:54 PM
This is all temporary.

Everyone is hoping so. We need some big news. I am afraid that if there is no positive news about the BTC in the very recent future, then we'll see the exchange rates dropping to $200.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: findftp on April 10, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
This is all temporary.

Everyone is hoping so. We need some big news. I am afraid that if there is no positive news about the BTC in the very recent future, then we'll see the exchange rates dropping to $200.
There is one positive thing right now,.. and that's:

THEY ARE ON SALE!!!!!!

can I also blink the font?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: ChuckBuck on April 10, 2014, 03:19:16 PM
YUP, time to Buy Buy Buy!   8)

Eager to see where the bottom is.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 10, 2014, 03:19:44 PM
We have now officially fallen through the $400 mark.
PANIC!
I am offering to buy all your bitcoins @$200, before it's too late!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: s1gs3gv on April 10, 2014, 04:08:58 PM

This is all temporary.

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
I bought my coins when BTC was going at $15 a piece. And I am not selling unless BTC reaches that mark again.  ;D


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: s1gs3gv on April 10, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I bought my coins when BTC was going at $15 a piece. And I am not selling unless BTC reaches that mark again.  ;D

So, you're not a believer in daily mark-to-market accounting then L)L

I'm not trolling when I say 'Spend 'em while they are worth something. The only thing between BTC and zero is hope and hubris.'


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: findftp on April 10, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
I will never sell mine, even when they become near worthless.
Maybe 50% at most, the rest is for my kids.
I'm a permabull and hate the fiat system


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jc01480 on April 10, 2014, 06:03:40 PM
Now I'm craving Chinese food.  Thanks, OP!   ;D


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: vnvizow on April 10, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
I'm Chinese and I agree that they're stupid for pulling that one off


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 10, 2014, 07:19:49 PM
Wow it's the 47th time the same news is reiterated. It just keeps coming out again and again, and every time it's sell off time.

I'm buying as much as i can, if it drops below 250$ by then i will be 100% in BTC.

TY monkeys for selling as low as 400$ see you again on 5 digits bye bye!

Feels like the 547th time the same news is reiterated.
The price we pay for having had a China Bubble?
Fortunately there is plenty of good news in other countries, and only a limited number of BTC will ever exist.  :)
Ya you mean  21,000,000,000,000,000 units.  Isn't that a lot? Just saying the scarcity argument has been debunked.


Only X dollar bills have been produced, but (X) X 10 units exists. See what I did there?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Lauda on April 10, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
This is all temporary.

Everyone is hoping so. We need some big news. I am afraid that if there is no positive news about the BTC in the very recent future, then we'll see the exchange rates dropping to $200.
I'm fine with that.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Jcw188 on April 10, 2014, 08:48:04 PM
How much bad news can there be after China news is finally over?  Let's hope that is bottom, around the 15th.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: windpath on April 10, 2014, 08:57:44 PM
http://everythingisgoingtobitcoin.com/EIGBO.jpg


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: leopard2 on April 10, 2014, 09:32:10 PM
I hope that this will also cause Chinese ASIC manufacturers to switch from making ASICs to widgets - so that the difficulty can stabilise a bit.

BETTER

no one orders asics anymore due to the dropping price, this will result in excellent profitability in a year when no new miners hit the market


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: TTM on April 10, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
my opinion:
on the 14th a business changes bank account, with no impact on deposits or withdrawals. they then have 4 days to receive any delayed deposits that customers have sent to the old bank account. and move it to the new account. the business has access of both accounts between the 14th and 18th, and as such any customers accidentally depositing to the old account will still be credited to their exchange balance without impact.

summary:
as of the 14th, please use the new bank details for depositing, as the old details wont be accepted after the 18th.

no panic required
It seems you are still pretending this is FUD, right ?

What make you think those alternative bank accounts won't get closed eventually ? ICBC and Agricultural Banks, 2 of Big Four in China, has taken action against Bitcoin exchanges:
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/22nyfj/btc_trade_china_april_15th_announcement/

What can be the reason for this extreme hostile manner from banks if it's not the order came from central bank ?

And here is human translation which is much better than your shitty Google or Bing translation: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/22o672/huobi_announcement/


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: traderman on April 10, 2014, 10:29:16 PM
What is interesting is that the stock market had it's worst drop today since 2011. Awfully big coincidence me thinks!


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: franky1 on April 10, 2014, 10:59:30 PM

It seems you are still pretending this is FUD, right ?


do you bank with china?
do you deposit funds into the chinese bank of those exchanges?

if not, then dont get your pants in a twist. it doesnt affect you.

in america alot of banks are telling people to not deal bitcoins on there account and to use a different bank. this is no different at all.
in america alot of banks are telling people to not deal bitcoins on there account and to use a different bank. this is no different at all.

all that is materially/ physically / in reality happening is that some exchanges are now using commercial banks instead of federal banks..
when bitstamp/mtgox and other US Dollar exchanges had banking issues.. did anyone shout out for 3 months that the sky was falling no..

the only announcement and physical change customers noticed was a change of details for the bank they had to deposit to.

so stop making fear mungering statements that its a big deal, that the news is epic.. its not. in my eyes its just a change of bank details. customers wont be affected.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: wasamata on April 10, 2014, 11:19:05 PM
Time for China to stand up and overthrow it's control freak of a government who are simply old rich men in suits. They are corrupt, greedy stupid, lazy, fat, murderers- the Chinese government need to FINISH. They take Chinese freedom away with propaganda's commy lies since young children, they blind the Chinese with falsehoods since babies and let them be poor. See, freedom is come for a price you need to earn it and that is to say, China must turn it's guns on it'self, in particular, Beijing must die.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 10, 2014, 11:45:56 PM

This is all temporary.

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

...if you foolishly bought coins on margin.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 10, 2014, 11:50:16 PM

I am at a large wide-screen monitor and that looks great.  :)


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Legal Counsel Zhou (PRC) on April 11, 2014, 12:23:41 AM
Time for China to stand up and overthrow it's control freak of a government who are simply old rich men in suits. They are corrupt, greedy stupid, lazy, fat, murderers- the Chinese government need to FINISH. They take Chinese freedom away with propaganda's commy lies since young children, they blind the Chinese with falsehoods since babies and let them be poor. See, freedom is come for a price you need to earn it and that is to say, China must turn it's guns on it'self, in particular, Beijing must die.
transmitting data containing this content is not very good for the chinese that frequent this board... hospital staff, legal workers, education leaders etc., would generally be required to submit such statements to their cpc department leader if it frequently occurs; subsequently they would not be allowed on to this forum, or the forum would be blocked from within china. please consider us chinese people when posting such data.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: turio on April 11, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
Is bitcoin doomed because of this? or is this just another bump in the road?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 11, 2014, 12:30:33 AM
Is bitcoin doomed because of this? or is this just another bump in the road?

That's your opinion.
In my opinion, just a huge bump in the road.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: Lauda on April 11, 2014, 05:02:56 AM
Is bitcoin doomed because of this? or is this just another bump in the road?
No. It's a temporary set-back.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jparsley on April 11, 2014, 06:13:02 AM
So china is out of btc for now. Is that why btc price so low


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2014, 06:17:22 AM
So china is out of btc for now. Is that why btc price so low

China was just a secondary factor. It was the Mt Gox crash which took BTC from $1,200 to $400.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: BitOnyx on April 11, 2014, 10:38:07 AM
Is it same user posting same info ?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on April 11, 2014, 11:40:23 AM
iam happy when we finally reach the 19.  :D


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on April 11, 2014, 11:41:09 AM

make a shirt  ;)


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 11, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
What is interesting is that the stock market had it's worst drop today since 2011. Awfully big coincidence me thinks!

good point.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: windpath on April 11, 2014, 05:51:03 PM
make a shirt  ;)

Ha, good idea :)


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: windpath on April 11, 2014, 06:01:25 PM
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Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jparsley on April 11, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
More news from china. Surely btc will survive.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 11, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
More news from china. Surely btc will survive.

Wrong.
It will.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: RockHound on April 11, 2014, 10:04:23 PM
Don't get it! how will moving overseas and incorporating offshore help Chinese bitcoiners?

Exchanges overseas accounts IBAN/SWIFT will be blacklisted??

It's like trying to fund Bitstamp from your Australian bank, they won't process it.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-prepare-to-move-operations-overseas/


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 11, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
Don't get it! how will moving overseas and incorporating offshore help Chinese bitcoiners?

Exchanges overseas accounts IBAN/SWIFT will be blacklisted??

It's like trying to fund Bitstamp from your Australian bank, they won't process it.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-prepare-to-move-operations-overseas/

For example, if BTC China has an account in the UK, China cannot ban that.
Simple enough.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: ImI on April 11, 2014, 11:17:18 PM
Don't get it! how will moving overseas and incorporating offshore help Chinese bitcoiners?

Exchanges overseas accounts IBAN/SWIFT will be blacklisted??

It's like trying to fund Bitstamp from your Australian bank, they won't process it.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-prepare-to-move-operations-overseas/

For example, if BTC China has an account in the UK, China cannot ban that.
Simple enough.

on the flipside, no chinese could buy one bitcoin through this uk-account


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 11, 2014, 11:57:44 PM
Don't get it! how will moving overseas and incorporating offshore help Chinese bitcoiners?

Exchanges overseas accounts IBAN/SWIFT will be blacklisted??

It's like trying to fund Bitstamp from your Australian bank, they won't process it.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-prepare-to-move-operations-overseas/

For example, if BTC China has an account in the UK, China cannot ban that.
Simple enough.

on the flipside, no chinese could buy one bitcoin through this uk-account

You would have to do international transfers.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: ImI on April 12, 2014, 12:09:45 AM
Don't get it! how will moving overseas and incorporating offshore help Chinese bitcoiners?

Exchanges overseas accounts IBAN/SWIFT will be blacklisted??

It's like trying to fund Bitstamp from your Australian bank, they won't process it.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-prepare-to-move-operations-overseas/

For example, if BTC China has an account in the UK, China cannot ban that.
Simple enough.

on the flipside, no chinese could buy one bitcoin through this uk-account

You would have to do international transfers.

afaik chinese are not allowed to do international transfers

at least no yuan goes out of china without government permission


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: RockHound on April 12, 2014, 12:29:38 AM
Don't get it! how will moving overseas and incorporating offshore help Chinese bitcoiners?

Exchanges overseas accounts IBAN/SWIFT will be blacklisted??

It's like trying to fund Bitstamp from your Australian bank, they won't process it.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-prepare-to-move-operations-overseas/

For example, if BTC China has an account in the UK, China cannot ban that.
Simple enough.

on the flipside, no chinese could buy one bitcoin through this uk-account

You would have to do international transfers.

afaik chinese are not allowed to do international transfers

at least no yuan goes out of china without government permission

Cheers guys - good points!  Hopefully they will be allowed to do a standard IMT (international wire) however, I don't think that will last long given it's still a Ƀ exchange.

Levels the playing field a bit :) My IMT's take 3-5 days vs Chinese bitcoiners enjoying a 2Hr funding (well up until 2 weeks ago)

I do have a few mates in Beijing, I will suggest them to look into IMT's over to BTC-e, while they still can.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 12, 2014, 04:22:13 AM
afaik chinese are not allowed to do international transfers
at least no yuan goes out of china without government permission

What sort of a stone age country is China? Is it possible of a mainland Chinese to travel to Hong Kong, carrying some cash which could be converted to Bitcoins there?


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 12, 2014, 04:29:41 AM
afaik chinese are not allowed to do international transfers
at least no yuan goes out of china without government permission

What sort of a stone age country is China? Is it possible of a mainland Chinese to travel to Hong Kong, carrying some cash which could be converted to Bitcoins there?

You said it.  Makes sense they won't let the people even have internet. If they allowed that, they might start thinking too much.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 12, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
afaik chinese are not allowed to do international transfers
at least no yuan goes out of china without government permission

What sort of a stone age country is China? Is it possible of a mainland Chinese to travel to Hong Kong, carrying some cash which could be converted to Bitcoins there?

Yes, and an application for a "2-way visa" is extremely simple. I'm from Hong Kong.
afaik chinese are not allowed to do international transfers
at least no yuan goes out of china without government permission

What sort of a stone age country is China? Is it possible of a mainland Chinese to travel to Hong Kong, carrying some cash which could be converted to Bitcoins there?

You said it.  Makes sense they won't let the people even have internet. If they allowed that, they might start thinking too much.

WOW. WOW. I assume you have been living under a rock for 50 years?

What the heck do you mean by "they won't let the people even have internet"??? This isn't North Korea. China just banned facebook, twitter, google and other sites. The internet is much more than that.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 12, 2014, 03:21:16 PM
What the heck do you mean by "they won't let the people even have internet"??? This isn't North Korea. China just banned facebook, twitter, google and other sites. The internet is much more than that.

Even Google is banned in China. That is almost like banning the entire internet. And they have got millions of spies to see which sites their citizens are visiting. Definitely not an ideal situation.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: byt411 on April 12, 2014, 03:43:04 PM
What the heck do you mean by "they won't let the people even have internet"??? This isn't North Korea. China just banned facebook, twitter, google and other sites. The internet is much more than that.

Even Google is banned in China. That is almost like banning the entire internet. And they have got millions of spies to see which sites their citizens are visiting. Definitely not an ideal situation.


Yeah. But it's not as if they cannot access the internet, just the "major used part" banned.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: RockHound on April 12, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
Good points, but think we are getting a little off topic  :)

So with just two days to go 14th April - 18th April, has there been any new developments?


Are we to expect wild volatility over next 48Hrs....


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: rohan1 on April 13, 2014, 05:06:31 AM
The price will not be so crazy anymore,since China contribute the largest daily turnover.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
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Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 05:48:08 AM
The price will not be so crazy anymore,since China contribute the largest daily turnover.

China used to contribute to the largest daily turnover. Especially during 2013-end. Now the US has reclaimed that position.


Title: Re: Largest Chinese Exchange Ordered Bank Shut Down By Apr 18
Post by: RockHound on April 13, 2014, 01:24:59 PM
1 DAY TO GO !!!!!   8)

+ So Huobi and OKCoin will permanently close Deposit facility with it's former banking affiliate tomorrow.

+ BTC38 and FXBTC have already removed fiat depositing.

+ Still no communication from BTCChina

Do you guys think a new sub$350 floor is coming or already past?  :P