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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: bitminer2782 on April 10, 2014, 02:14:17 PM



Title: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: bitminer2782 on April 10, 2014, 02:14:17 PM
I only got into the Bitcoin scene in Oct '13 (Mining and Trading). While I understand that China "owns" most of the USA's economy, I'm not talking about the USA here; since this is more of a WORLD economics question. Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market? 


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: K128kevin on April 10, 2014, 02:37:50 PM
I'm no expert either but I would guess it that the fact that their population is just under 1.4 billion, which is almost 20% of the entire world population, is a pretty significant factor.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: bitminer2782 on April 10, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I'm sure that helps as well. Just as an example though...You can have 1 billion people in a population who contribute nothing to an economy and you can half of that population somewhere else who contribute 50% to an economy.....Sooo.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: gentlemand on April 10, 2014, 03:23:34 PM
The most important factor is that people elsewhere think that China is the most important market. Because of that, it is.

The volume is the thing that captivates people. The volume there is either likely to be fake or the same coin being sold back and forth thousands of times a day because of zero fee exchanges that don't exist anywhere else. If the only one was in Papua New Guinea that would probably be where everyone was focusing on.

They're not innovating, developing or contributing much, if anything, to the Bitcoin infrastructure.



Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: odolvlobo on April 10, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market?  

There are a lot of people in China involved in Bitcoin. If something happens in China that causes many of them to buy or sell bitcoins, then that is going to affect the market. I don't think China is the most influential country, but the number of people there make it at least a major factor.



Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: jamesc760 on April 10, 2014, 08:37:37 PM
China has the biggest exchanges by volume. When an 800-pound gorrilla goes on a rampage, you begin to notice; when it calms down, you begin to notice it too.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: jparsley on April 11, 2014, 07:46:14 PM
China has the biggest exchanges by volume. When an 800-pound gorrilla goes on a rampage, you begin to notice; when it calms down, you begin to notice it too.
china was the reason btc so expensive in first place


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: An amorous cow-herder on April 11, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
China is pretty irrelevant for the price actually.
What was relevant though was the "believe" china would be a big a market/user. Actually i consider it a surprise that BTC still has "pre-China-believe" prices. Sure, acceptance has grown, more and more retailer are (indirectly) accepting BTC. But consumers arent buying into it.
While transfer of BTC might be cheap, actually buying BTC turns out to be more expensive and more complicated than established payment systems.
Probably still quite a while till utility value catches up with price.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: jdun on April 12, 2014, 01:43:58 AM
Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market? 

If fiatleak is correct, then the majority of the bitcoin activity is in the Chinese exchanges. I sat there the other day and watched as the Chinese were trading 50-150 bitcoin every minute, whereas the rest of the world combined were only trading about 1% of that. They are the most influential because they are bitcoin's biggest investor (by far).


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 12, 2014, 03:34:31 AM
I only got into the Bitcoin scene in Oct '13 (Mining and Trading). While I understand that China "owns" most of the USA's economy, I'm not talking about the USA here; since this is more of a WORLD economics question. Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market? 

The China Bubble fueled much of the move from ~$400 to ~$1200 late last year.
China still has influence today, but...
BTC is so low that all bad news will have much less effect.
Soon enough, the market will respond mostly to good news, from any country.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: Equate on April 12, 2014, 03:36:36 AM
China controls the large trade of Bitcoins,that is why the rise or fall truly depends on China


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 12, 2014, 05:06:34 AM
China controls the large trade of Bitcoins,that is why the rise or fall truly depends on China

BTC can break free from the China Drama.
Digital currency will win no matter what happens to China.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: nostradamus on April 12, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
Regardless of volume, China is the 2nd most important country to the Bitcoin economy. If the USA were opposing BTC, prices would be far lower.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: Equate on April 12, 2014, 11:12:21 AM
China controls the large trade of Bitcoins,that is why the rise or fall truly depends on China

BTC can break free from the China Drama.
Digital currency will win no matter what happens to China.

true , China has only FUD to offer .


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: Omikifuse on April 12, 2014, 02:41:02 PM
I only got into the Bitcoin scene in Oct '13 (Mining and Trading). While I understand that China "owns" most of the USA's economy, I'm not talking about the USA here; since this is more of a WORLD economics question. Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market? 

Remember the price rise from $150 to $1300? China is helping the pump..


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: nostradamus on April 13, 2014, 12:52:51 AM
I only got into the Bitcoin scene in Oct '13 (Mining and Trading). While I understand that China "owns" most of the USA's economy, I'm not talking about the USA here; since this is more of a WORLD economics question. Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market? 

Remember the price rise from $150 to $1300? China is helping the pump..

China was definitely responsible for a large share of the rapid rise in the most recent bubble. However, the non-China publicity, development, and investment in BTC has increased dramatically over the last 6 months. The fundamentals of Bitcoin are drastically stronger than they were pre-China, so we should expect the value to be significantly higher than [Peak price - Chinese investment].


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 01:30:17 AM
I only got into the Bitcoin scene in Oct '13 (Mining and Trading). While I understand that China "owns" most of the USA's economy, I'm not talking about the USA here; since this is more of a WORLD economics question. Why does China reign the most influential when it comes to the Bitcoin market? 

Remember the price rise from $150 to $1300? China is helping the pump..

China was definitely responsible for a large share of the rapid rise in the most recent bubble. However, the non-China publicity, development, and investment in BTC has increased dramatically over the last 6 months. The fundamentals of Bitcoin are drastically stronger than they were pre-China, so we should expect the value to be significantly higher than [Peak price - Chinese investment].


nostradamus is correct, and the market is due to start responding to good news and tending to ignore most bad news as the trend turns Bullish.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: master-P on April 13, 2014, 03:13:59 AM
I think a lot of the asics were produced in China as well, so they probably mined a fair bit of coins over there. A lot of speculators seem to think that the Chinese are the biggest players due to their trading volume, and they make trades based on the latest news/rumors that come out of there.


Title: Re: Please help educate a n00b...
Post by: bgmc on April 14, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
Hopefully China will get out of the market soon and stop becoming so influential. We need these coins more dispersed around the globe, and not just concentrated in China.