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Title: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 05:41:10 AM
Full story here:

Just Google "WSJ: Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox" for this Wall Street Journal (WSJ) Story

So is this also linked with the recent rebound from the $350 price? I can see that BTC is now trading at $400+.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: bbit on April 11, 2014, 05:46:23 AM
Full story here:

Just Google "WSJ: Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox" for this Wall Street Journal (WSJ) Story

So is this also linked with the recent rebound from the $350 price? I can see that BTC is now trading at $400+.

woooo hoooo!!!! I think ??


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Legal Counsel Zhou (PRC) on April 11, 2014, 05:46:47 AM
no other explanaition. it happened within minutes


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Sindelar1938 on April 11, 2014, 05:49:36 AM
Hmm...I have mixed feelings about any MtGox revival...


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 11, 2014, 05:50:29 AM
The rally to almost $420 was really fast.
Don't know if it's directly related to the Gox story.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: VolanicEruptor on April 11, 2014, 05:50:47 AM
Hmm...I have mixed feelings about any MtGox revival...

Why?  It would be under completely new ownership and management.  It would probably even be renamed.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: kolev on April 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM
It's not getting bought out (for 1 BTC) - it's just a proposal that Karpeles will turn down. So, fix your title - it's misleading!


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 11, 2014, 05:54:18 AM
Hmm...I have mixed feelings about any MtGox revival...

Why?  It would be under completely new ownership and management.  It would probably even be renamed.

maybe they get the lost coins?


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Singlebyte on April 11, 2014, 05:57:18 AM
It's not getting bought out (for 1 BTC) - it's just a proposal that Karpeles will turn down. So, fix your title - it's misleading!

No kidding!  Fix title...so misleading.  That group only offered 1 BTC for Mtgox.  I can't see that happening anytime soon.



Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: jparsley on April 11, 2014, 06:00:44 AM
Full story here:

Just Google "WSJ: Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox" for this Wall Street Journal (WSJ) Story

So is this also linked with the recent rebound from the $350 price? I can see that BTC is now trading at $400+.
wow how long did d price stay @ 350


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 06:04:34 AM
Full story here:

Just Google "WSJ: Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox" for this Wall Street Journal (WSJ) Story

So is this also linked with the recent rebound from the $350 price? I can see that BTC is now trading at $400+.
wow how long did d price stay @ 350

Just for a few hours only.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 06:06:55 AM
It's not getting bought out (for 1 BTC) - it's just a proposal that Karpeles will turn down. So, fix your title - it's misleading!

No kidding!  Fix title...so misleading.  That group only offered 1 BTC for Mtgox.  I can't see that happening anytime soon.



It does not matter as they are taking burden of a major portion of the account holders' investment.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Singlebyte on April 11, 2014, 06:32:49 AM
It's not getting bought out (for 1 BTC) - it's just a proposal that Karpeles will turn down. So, fix your title - it's misleading!

No kidding!  Fix title...so misleading.  That group only offered 1 BTC for Mtgox.  I can't see that happening anytime soon.



It does not matter as they are taking burden of a major portion of the account holders' investment.

Your title:
Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group

Mtgox is not being "bought & revived by a US based investors group".

There was just an offer put on the table according to the article.  I am sure there probably has been several offers already.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/10/us-bitcoin-mtgox-investorgroup-idUSBREA3922Q20140410
(Linked to reuters because of stupid WSJ paywall blocks some people)

You also forgot to mention this from the article:

"The acquisition must be approved by a Japanese bankruptcy court. However, the near-zero valuation of the proposed deal could prove to be a hurdle, the Journal said."


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 06:43:03 AM
It's not getting bought out (for 1 BTC) - it's just a proposal that Karpeles will turn down. So, fix your title - it's misleading!

No kidding!  Fix title...so misleading.  That group only offered 1 BTC for Mtgox.  I can't see that happening anytime soon.



It does not matter as they are taking burden of a major portion of the account holders' investment.

Your title:
Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group

Mtgox is not being "bought & revived by a US based investors group"

There was just an offer put on the table according to the article.  I am sure there probably has been several offers already.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/10/us-bitcoin-mtgox-investorgroup-idUSBREA3922Q20140410


You also forgot to mention this from the article:

"The acquisition must be approved by a Japanese bankruptcy court. However, the near-zero valuation of the proposed deal could prove to be a hurdle, the Journal said."

Please note that in OP I have referred everyone to the actual Wall Street Journal article so everyone can read for themselves.

In my view Mt.Gox is eventually going to be bought & revived by a investors group anyways.

Furthermore, almost all acquisitions of bankrupt companies in Japan have to seek court permission. This is common sense.



Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 11, 2014, 06:48:11 AM
Interesting that the WSJ covered this so quickly.
Are they "promoting" this deal for a reason?


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: Singlebyte on April 11, 2014, 06:48:27 AM
Updated title looks lot better Mktrader.  Thanks for revising.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2014, 06:53:36 AM
What will happen to the 650,000 coins which were stolen by Carpeles and his goons? Who is going to compensate the users who lost their coins? I think this is just another ploy by Karpeles to escape from prosecution.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 06:56:12 AM
Why some people are so concerned that worried Mt.Gox investors finally have something to cheer about?


I've now edited the title for more clarity:

Old title:  Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group

New title: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: bbit on April 11, 2014, 06:57:30 AM
What will happen to the 650,000 coins which were stolen by Carpeles and his goons? Who is going to compensate the users who lost their coins? I think this is just another ploy by Karpeles to escape from prosecution.

We'll never seen those again regardless who revives Mt. Cocks.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2014, 06:58:04 AM
OK... read the news. So they are planning to compensate the users with about 20% of their lost coins. Much better than the BTCT.co scam, where we received only 2% compensation.  ;D


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 07:07:55 AM
So they are planning to compensate the users with about 20% of their lost coins.

...and this can be negotiated upwards to 40% or may be even higher because 20% is just their initial offer. The acquisition may also result in recovery of most stolen coins. Unlike fiat, Bitcoin has a way better money trail in the Blockchain.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2014, 07:24:35 AM
...and this can be negotiated upwards to 40% or may be even higher because 20% is just their initial offer. The acquisition may also result in recovery of most stolen coins. Unlike fiat, Bitcoin has a way better money trail in the Blockchain.

But Mt Gox have already recovered 200,000+ coins.
Customers lost 650,000 coins.

So an average user should receive 30% compensation, isn't it?

200,000 / 650,000 ==> 30%+


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 07:48:25 AM
...and this can be negotiated upwards to 40% or may be even higher because 20% is just their initial offer. The acquisition may also result in recovery of most stolen coins. Unlike fiat, Bitcoin has a way better money trail in the Blockchain.

But Mt Gox have already recovered 200,000+ coins.
Customers lost 650,000 coins.

So an average user should receive 30% compensation, isn't it?

200,000 / 650,000 ==> 30%+


That is correct. However, at this time it will all depend on whether Karpales accepts this offer or not. IMO, Japanese court should make a decision based on 'Account Holders' Best Interest' rather than Karpales' acceptance or otherwise of such offers. An account holders voting can be organized by Japanese authorities for any decision on an offer. Each account holder's vote may be weighted according to their holding in Mt.Gox.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Mt.Gox to be Bought & Revived by a U.S. based Investors Group
Post by: havanabob on April 11, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
...and this can be negotiated upwards to 40% or may be even higher because 20% is just their initial offer. The acquisition may also result in recovery of most stolen coins. Unlike fiat, Bitcoin has a way better money trail in the Blockchain.

But Mt Gox have already recovered 200,000+ coins.
Customers lost 650,000 coins.

So an average user should receive 30% compensation, isn't it?

200,000 / 650,000 ==> 30%+

They can make a different choice and pay only their favorite buyers. Or something ridiculuous like that.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: BitOnyx on April 11, 2014, 10:40:19 AM
Probably main reason why bitcoin went up from 350 to 410.

It is very good information, especially since mtgox clients now have two ways to get they money back.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: RUEHL on April 11, 2014, 12:25:51 PM
If the news of the death of Mt.Gox had only a temporary negative effect, one may assume that the possible revival would have an equally temporary pop.

Possibly more potential downside going into the Chinese April 14-18th deadline.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: BenAnh on April 11, 2014, 12:28:44 PM
Interesting development! Of course you will get all the coins back but over time not this year but the next 3 year;)


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: whtchocla7e on April 11, 2014, 12:59:52 PM
Why would they associate themselves with an entity despised so much by the Bitcoin community? The Gox brand is tainted forever.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: zolace on April 11, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
If they can do right to give people the coins back, not the value, the amount they had that would be fair, I dont care if the coins go up 20,000 each they still should compensate the interest of it, It wont be fair to the users.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: alfabitcoin on April 11, 2014, 01:23:17 PM
From this 650k btc mtgox has 100k. Correct? I wonder why and how mtgox include own coins? Is that commisions and why so much was kept online? Mtgox was not allowed to trade so what is an origin of this 100k btc?
Imo, these 100k btc mtgox claim to have lost should be just an figure of overall loss. In other words, mtgox can not have anything from 200k what found in old wallets or in other future ''found''.
So actully users had 750.000 - 200.000=550.000 btc ( not counting mtgox 100k coins, they lost it, why would users pay it)


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: ChuckBuck on April 11, 2014, 02:17:52 PM
This is what caused the spike up, not the Mt Gox news:

http://www.coindesk.com/chinas-central-bank-governor-pboc-wont-ban-bitcoin/ (http://www.coindesk.com/chinas-central-bank-governor-pboc-wont-ban-bitcoin/)


Hate that China affects BTC price so much, but I'd rather have them allow it then not at all.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: oppahdoggystyle on April 11, 2014, 02:46:17 PM
I think this investor group is related to this bitcoinstarter project

https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/635


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: franky1 on April 11, 2014, 03:19:41 PM

Hate that China affects BTC price so much, but I'd rather have them allow it then not at all.

hate that sheeple affect the price so much, over things they dont understand, rumours they hear and things that dont personally affect them.
if you* sold at a loss, and you* personally dont have a chinese bank account, nor have the desire to deposit into a chinese bank in the past or future. then you* have sold due to "sheeple panic"

*generalised people, not personal attack


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2014, 03:32:39 PM
This is what caused the spike up, not the Mt Gox news

Strictly speaking, there was no spike. The rumors from China crashed the exchange rate from $450 to $340. Then the denial came, and BTC rose to $420. Now we have a net loss of $30. I will not call this a spike.


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: ChuckBuck on April 11, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
This is what caused the spike up, not the Mt Gox news

Strictly speaking, there was no spike. The rumors from China crashed the exchange rate from $450 to $340. Then the denial came, and BTC rose to $420. Now we have a net loss of $30. I will not call this a spike.

Retracement?  Sorry, I'm not a trader so don't know the technical term for it.

Either way, it's "recovered" from it's $340 price in a matter of hours from the China announcement:

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=2&i=5-min&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&


Title: Re: Breaking News: U.S. Based Group Offers Mt.Gox Acquisition + Revival
Post by: mktrader on April 11, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
Bitcoin had enough -ve news in last few months. Lets hope a season of good news will start after 15 April. Nobody knows if one day Mt.Gox will announce that they had found rest of the missing coins. Although it's unlikely, but you never know! Remember that we never expected them to find those 200k missing coins!