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Title: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: notbatman on April 12, 2014, 10:09:12 AM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: franky1 on April 12, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

being a nobel Prize winner is a 'title' more so then a trophy. i think satoshi can find a way to not need to turn up. EG he will just get gavin to turn up and claim it on his behalf. much like what they do at the Bafta/Oscars sometimes


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: 100bitcoin on April 12, 2014, 10:44:21 AM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

being a nobel Prize winner is a 'title' more so then a trophy. i think satoshi can find a way to not need to turn up. EG he will just get gavin to turn up and claim it on his behalf. much like what they do at the Bafta/Oscars sometimes

And the prize amount will be converted to Bitcoin and sent to Satoshi's address :)


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: hilariousandco on April 12, 2014, 11:24:04 AM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

You know, he or they would probably be a worthy winner, but would they give or nominate the prize to an anonymous pseudonym?


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: cbeast on April 12, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Instead, there should be a Goat Award for Cryptonomics.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: forboon on April 12, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560056.0

Satoshi is John Nash.  We need to spread this before this man passes.  We have already been horrible to him and horribly underestimated his intelligence and impact on the world.  Bitcoin is ideal money http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf as soon as you start ready it you will know.

Getting the word out is how bitcoin hits its tipping point.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: Equate on April 12, 2014, 02:15:49 PM
Bitcoin  taught economics to the geeks :P


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: Robert Paulson on April 12, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Satoshi defiantly deserves both the noble prize in economics and the Turing Award.
and this is why:

never before in human history have humans possessed a form of money which could not be confiscated, counterfeited, inflated, and could be sent across the world for practically nothing.
when the reference client gets the needed code for blockchain pruning so that bitcoin could sustain visa's transaction rate (along with the ability to bootstrap new clients) one of the most important innovations of the 21st century will be complete.

the amount of techniques combined to create bitcoin really forms an evolution of 300 years of math and cryptography.
from the study of elliptic curves in the 18th century to the realization in the 1980's that a strong public key algorithm can be created by using the group of points on an elliptic curve.
Diffie and Hellman's 1970's idea of hash functions as a building block of a digital signature scheme.
the hashcash scheme as a proof of work proposed by Adam Back in 1997.
P2P networks popularized by Napster in 1999.
and of course Satoshi Nakamoto's white paper from November 2008 describing how to combine everything together to create the blockchain and bitcoin.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: forboon on April 12, 2014, 03:25:31 PM

never before in human history have humans possessed a form of money which could not be confiscated, counterfeited, inflated, and could be sent across the world for practically nothing.
when the reference client gets the needed code for blockchain pruning so that bitcoin could sustain visa's transaction rate (along with the ability to bootstrap new clients) one of the most important innovations of the 21st century will be complete.
This will happen almost instantaneously with the global realization Nash is satoshi.

the amount of techniques combined to create bitcoin really forms an evolution of 300 years of math and cryptography.
from the study of elliptic curves in the 18th century to the realization in the 1980's that a strong public key algorithm can be created by using the group of points on an elliptic curve.
Diffie and Hellman's 1970's idea of hash functions as a building block of a digital signature scheme.
the hashcash scheme as a proof of work proposed by Adam Back in 1997.
P2P networks popularized by Napster in 1999.
and of course Satoshi Nakamoto's white paper from November 2008 describing how to combine everything together to create the blockchain and bitcoin.

don't forget the letters to the nsa where nash explained he cannot be beat in the encryption war http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/nash_letters/nash_letters1.pdf
his solutions for cooperative games http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/cs286r/courses/spring02/papers/nash50a.pdf

And of course ideal money http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf in which he ties it all together and explains bit coin is a commodity for the public like water.

Then we should understand the relation to a paper on fluid dynamics
 "Le problème de Cauchy pour les équations différentielles d'un fluide général"

And we might, if we are following well understand the relevence of a paper on singularities
http://www.imus.us.es/DC/2012_SA/php/Nash_Arcs-1.pdf

And then embedding manifolds: http://www.people.vcu.edu/~rgowdy/phys691/pdf/embed.pdf







Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: BitcoinTees on April 12, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
After Obama and the EU won Nobel prizes it lost all credibility with me.





Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: hilariousandco on April 12, 2014, 03:52:39 PM
After Obama and the EU won Nobel prizes it lost all credibility with me.





Yeah, but that was the peace prize which has become a bit of a joke really. Other categories tend to hold more esteem, but it's just an award show really and means about as much as the Oscars do.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: BitcoinTees on April 12, 2014, 04:13:26 PM
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Yeah, but that was the peace prize which has become a bit of a joke really. Other categories tend to hold more esteem, but it's just an award show really and means about as much as the Oscars do.

Don't tell that to Leo  ;D

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Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: leopard2 on April 12, 2014, 08:25:31 PM
Interesting idea! I think one doesn't have to show up in person, people in prison can still get the Nobel prize. But if an unknown person can get it? Does anyone know?

It would be a good idea to seriously nominate Satoshi for this - simply for the publicity.  :D


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: forboon on April 12, 2014, 08:30:04 PM
Its not going to happen till a certain circumstance.  When Satoshi wrote "the bargaining problem" we effectively stole an unfinished work, and applied it to society.  We gave an award not just to satoshi even, but spread it amongst other peoples in the field.  what is shown now with ideal money and bitcoin.pdf, is that until the governments, peoples, nobel committee, acknowledges the suppression of the entire works, there is no such chance that Satoshi will receive a nomination.  Knowing that long before now, the governments would have obviously have known it was JFN.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: Satosh¡ Slot on April 12, 2014, 09:18:56 PM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

If he wins the Nobel prize in economics, he would be in the same club as Paul Krugman.

If you expand to the grand Nobel prize club of all different categories, you get an even worse list:
Yasser Arafat
Barack Obama
Al Gore
European Union

Obviously the Nobel prize has lost all its credibility.

But Milton Friedman won the economics prize in 1976 so giving it to Satoshi could be move to save the destroyed brand of the Nobel prizes.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: hilariousandco on April 12, 2014, 09:24:30 PM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

If he wins the Nobel prize in economics, he would be in the same club as Paul Krugman.

If you expand to the grand Nobel prize club of all different categories, you get an even worse list:
Yasser Arafat
Barack Obama
Al Gore
European Union

Obviously the Nobel prize has lost all its credibility.

But Milton Friedman won the economics prize in 1976 so giving it to Satoshi could be move to save the destroyed brand of the Nobel prizes.

Just look at some of the other nominees too. Vlad Putin was nominated last year I think. What a joke.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: blacksails on April 12, 2014, 09:40:21 PM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

If he wins the Nobel prize in economics, he would be in the same club as Paul Krugman.

If you expand to the grand Nobel prize club of all different categories, you get an even worse list:
Yasser Arafat
Barack Obama
Al Gore
European Union

Obviously the Nobel prize has lost all its credibility.

But Milton Friedman won the economics prize in 1976 so giving it to Satoshi could be move to save the destroyed brand of the Nobel prizes.

Just look at some of the other nominees too. Vlad Putin was nominated last year I think. What a joke.
Yeah, and let's not forget a certain Adolf Hitler was nominated for the peace prize as well. The peace prize has never had any credibility IMO.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: Cryddit on April 13, 2014, 01:36:18 AM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

No.  Just .... no.  It wouldn't.

I expect that the reason why will become evident in a few years.  Be patient.


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: Cryddit on April 13, 2014, 01:41:30 AM
Nash is satoshi.


Bzzzt.  Wrong answer.  Nash is an awesome analyst, but almost never writes code.  Satoshi has a completely different and highly fluent coding style, a different set of synthesis skills, and uses a different set of tools. 



Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: forboon on April 13, 2014, 08:25:47 AM
Nash is satoshi.


Bzzzt.  Wrong answer.  Nash is an awesome analyst, but almost never writes code.  Satoshi has a completely different and highly fluent coding style, a different set of synthesis skills, and uses a different set of tools.  


You have underestimated this man.  I have read all his relevant works, he has re written essentially every foundation to every field we have.

http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf

read this before u give another knee jerk reaction

as i understand bitcoin was written in c and is an old language. it matters not , though, since if we know anything about programming we know how easy it is to pick up and how easy it is to break it into unrecognizable parts to have others contribute in untraceable fashions

reconsider ur stance


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: Cryddit on April 14, 2014, 04:28:56 AM
I've read it.  I've reconsidered my stance.  And I am still firmly convinced that John Nash Senior is not Satoshi.

Once again - a brilliant analyst and probably right about the future of money with various currencies in competition with each other.  But not the programmer who put Bitcoin together. 

Programming is not easy to pick up and Bitcoin is not the work of a beginner.  Note even a brilliant beginner. 

I don't think Satoshi would get as many things right about the future of money as Nash did.  But I don't think Nash could have programmed it like Satoshi did either.



Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: freedomno1 on April 14, 2014, 05:02:44 AM
Award Satoshi the Nobel Prize in economics, that 'll flush him out!  :P

That seems like a good nomination we will have Gavin pick it up though ha-ha


Title: Re: Nobel Prize in Economics
Post by: jtsnau on April 14, 2014, 06:26:14 AM
Yeah, and let's not forget a certain Adolf Hitler was nominated for the peace prize as well. The peace prize has never had any credibility IMO.

They have no control over who is nominated, so that shouldn't be used to tarnish their image.

Having said that, their choice of 'winners' in recent years has made the Nobel Peace Price a joke.

The Nobel Committee should return to it's roots of just awarding prizes for science (and Economics is hardly a science).