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Title: Human brain hash power.
Post by: nabeton on April 20, 2014, 07:49:58 AM
I'm just curious what hash power would reach an Univesity professor (mathematician), making calculations on paper?
Would he be able to make at least one share?

and what would be easier for him to solve, scrypt or sha?


thanks for your opinions
   


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: coinnewbit on April 20, 2014, 08:00:54 AM
I'm just curious what hash power would reach an Univesity professor (mathematician), making calculations on paper?
Would he be able to make at least one share?

and what would be easier for him to solve, scrypt or sha?


thanks for your opinions
   
I believe the problems are only for computers.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: meliz98 on April 20, 2014, 08:16:05 AM
You don't need professors because its a repetitive work. Any normal person can be taught to do it. You need thousands of them to compare to a small usb miner can do.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: nabeton on April 20, 2014, 08:21:54 AM
I'm just curious what hash power would reach an Univesity professor (mathematician), making calculations on paper?
Would he be able to make at least one share?

and what would be easier for him to solve, scrypt or sha?


thanks for your opinions
   
I believe the problems are only for computers.

Understand, because it's too complicated, right?
At least some microhash he could produce, or not even that?

for instance, how would 16K share written on paper look like.
A book of 10 pages or 10 000 pages?


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: sanjoea on April 20, 2014, 09:11:59 AM
No computer is equal for human brain


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: shorena on April 20, 2014, 09:28:46 AM
I'm just curious what hash power would reach an Univesity professor (mathematician), making calculations on paper?
Would he be able to make at least one share?

and what would be easier for him to solve, scrypt or sha?


thanks for your opinions
   
I believe the problems are only for computers.

Understand, because it's too complicated, right?
At least some microhash he could produce, or not even that?

for instance, how would 16K share written on paper look like.
A book of 10 pages or 10 000 pages?


Just make one yourself and see how long it would take you.

sha 256 is explained here:

http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cavp/documents/shs/sha256-384-512.pdf

Take block 296778 (hash is: 00000000000000003cb6a19e5354ed4a4ade50ceecb8ee3176dfab4d7e275150)

All 473 transactions are listed here: https://blockchain.info/block-index/394826/00000000000000003cb6a19e5354ed4a4ade50ceecb8ee3176dfab4d7e275150




Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: mindfulmojo on April 20, 2014, 12:03:23 PM

http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/11/child-labor-bitcoin-mines-exposed/


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Rampton on April 20, 2014, 12:03:41 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Holm on April 20, 2014, 12:39:16 PM
is is any matter how is it looks like?
or it is help to improve your miner?


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: vnvizow on April 20, 2014, 12:39:42 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: vnvizow on April 20, 2014, 12:40:06 PM
is is any matter how is it looks like?
or it is help to improve your miner?

this guy went full on derp


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Holm on April 20, 2014, 01:08:44 PM
is is any matter how is it looks like?
or it is help to improve your miner?

this guy went full on derp

I did not offend you


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Gervais on April 20, 2014, 01:11:11 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Equate on April 20, 2014, 01:19:50 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: MUFC on April 20, 2014, 01:22:49 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .

It's not obvious. You not seen the matrix? And try beat a calculator lol.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: shorena on April 20, 2014, 01:28:21 PM
-snip-
It's not obvious. You not seen the matrix? And try beat a calculator lol.

Calculating the double of 3193757 very fast is not smart,
but beeing able to make a machine that can take this number
(well in binary so its 1100001011101110011101) and double it very fast is.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Equate on April 20, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .

It's not obvious. You not seen the matrix? And try beat a calculator lol.

so humans didn't make calculator ?


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: MUFC on April 20, 2014, 01:38:57 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .

It's not obvious. You not seen the matrix? And try beat a calculator lol.

so humans didn't make calculator ?

What?


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Equate on April 20, 2014, 01:56:06 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .

It's not obvious. You not seen the matrix? And try beat a calculator lol.

so humans didn't make calculator ?

What?

You were saying try to beat a calculator but even calculator is invented by humans at first place.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: MUFC on April 20, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .

It's not obvious. You not seen the matrix? And try beat a calculator lol.

so humans didn't make calculator ?

What?

You were saying try to beat a calculator but even calculator is invented by humans at first place.

Never said they wernt.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 20, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
I'm just curious what hash power would reach an Univesity professor (mathematician), making calculations on paper?
Would he be able to make at least one share?

and what would be easier for him to solve, scrypt or sha?


thanks for your opinions
   

This is hilarious ....even I thought about it at some point of time, but did not post thinking people may laugh at me... kudos ....some1 posted


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Flashman on April 20, 2014, 03:13:19 PM
Wanna know how good your are at math without realising it?

Toss a ball with your left hand and catch it in your right hand...


... congrats, you just solved a third order differential equation.

Somebody on reddit I think ran the numbers on human hash speed, wasn't very impressive, I think what also should be considered is the ULTIMATE speed a human could manage. There's some Japanese speed math techniques on a "mental" abacus, that get extremely rapid results for simple operations. Anyway, I think with those, you could possibly solve one hash every few minutes.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Rampton on April 20, 2014, 03:26:39 PM
Wanna know how good your are at math without realising it?

Toss a ball with your left hand and catch it in your right hand...


... congrats, you just solved a third order differential equation.

Is that good? lol


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: nabeton on April 20, 2014, 07:39:29 PM

http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/11/child-labor-bitcoin-mines-exposed/

nice article, I like the part

"...1 to 2 hashes per minute per child... with abacus 3-4 hashes ...  Do you have any idea how many idle children there are in India?"

:D :D :D


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Testing123 on April 20, 2014, 07:50:58 PM

http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/11/child-labor-bitcoin-mines-exposed/

nice article, I like the part

"...1 to 2 hashes per minute per child... with abacus 3-4 hashes ...  Do you have any idea how many idle children there are in India?"

:D :D :D

It is really hilarious :D
BTW, the non-existent Bitcoin Mining Child Foundation received 0.051 btc donation lol. :D


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Calhil on April 20, 2014, 09:10:55 PM
I'm just curious what hash power would reach an Univesity professor (mathematician), making calculations on paper?
Would he be able to make at least one share?

and what would be easier for him to solve, scrypt or sha?


thanks for your opinions
   
I think the more interesting question is whether autistic savants can do any type of hashing or be taught to do it. They might be able to find the blocks orders of magnitude faster when compared to current gen asics.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: lapah on April 21, 2014, 03:15:47 AM
I think it would be determined whichever is the easiest algorithm to solve for.. :D

I saw scrypt with the easiest alt coin.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Schumacher on April 21, 2014, 04:10:27 AM
It's a simple repetitive work. no matter who does it professor or usual man that know basics of math


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: nabeton on April 21, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
OK, I got it now.

Key element is not knowledge of complicated calculations, but willingness to do an annoying repetitive work.
So my professor case would be just wasting of his skills.

I'm smarter now  ;)

thank you all for contributions, and sorry for such a lame question.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: Tammy Chan on April 21, 2014, 08:22:19 PM
OK, I got it now.

Key element is not knowledge of complicated calculations, but willingness to do an annoying repetitive work.
So my professor case would be just wasting of his skills.

Exactly. Sha256 hashing is not "complicated" but extremely tedious but simple arithmetic.
So, a young kid could do it as good as as a math PhD student or professor.


Title: Re: Human brain hash power.
Post by: apsvinet on April 21, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
Haha university professors are not smarter than super computers at doing calculastions.
Computers aren't 'smarter' they're just better at doing a repetitive task

They're still able to do bigger and more accurate calculations, but they're not smarter.

human brain made computers and programmed them to do whatever they can do now , so its obvious who is smarter .
Alright, so by that logic - if a human builds a machine that can lift extremely heavy weights, the human is stronger because he built the machine? loool.