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Title: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: miztaziggy on April 22, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
Anyone know?

It seems that anyone wanting to further the interests of Bitcoin would be pushing HARD for Riot to accept BTC.

If you don't know - Riot run League of Legends. It's by far the biggest game in the world, see here:

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RiotGames_LoL_InfoGraphic-visualnews.jpg

See it has 3 million individual users every month compared with about 600k playing the top 100 PC games on Steam.

They make their money by selling RP (Riot Points) that players use to buy character upgrades. People spends small fortunes on this crap. Look on e-bay, there are accounts for sale with literally hundreds of skins which equates to hundreds of $.

Now it's mainly kids that play this game, I guess lots of them take money from Daddy's credit card to buy this stuff, but surely this is a prime example of where Bitcoin (internet cash) could be king?

Put yourself in a 15 year old's position - you have no credit card so can't pay for RP with Paypal or Moneybookers, however you do have some cash and could buy some Bitcoin. Send to Riot, get the RP, everyone's happy.

Riot games must turn over millions of $ selling these skins, if 25% of that was Bitcoin it would be a big boost to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: gagalady on April 22, 2014, 05:46:48 PM
I don't personally play LOL but as far as i know no MMORPG's accept bitcoin as a payment method to buy virtual goods. I don't talk about those MMO-gambling games like dragon tails.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: bountygiver on April 22, 2014, 05:49:57 PM
Anyone know?

It seems that anyone wanting to further the interests of Bitcoin would be pushing HARD for Riot to accept BTC.

If you don't know - Riot run League of Legends. It's by far the biggest game in the world, see here:

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RiotGames_LoL_InfoGraphic-visualnews.jpg

See it has 3 million individual users every month compared with about 600k playing the top 100 PC games on Steam.

They make their money by selling RP (Riot Points) that players use to buy character upgrades. People spends small fortunes on this crap. Look on e-bay, there are accounts for sale with literally hundreds of skins which equates to hundreds of $.

Now it's mainly kids that play this game, I guess lots of them take money from Daddy's credit card to buy this stuff, but surely this is a prime example of where Bitcoin (internet cash) could be king?

Put yourself in a 15 year old's position - you have no credit card so can't pay for RP with Paypal or Moneybookers, however you do have some cash and could buy some Bitcoin. Send to Riot, get the RP, everyone's happy.

Riot games must turn over millions of $ selling these skins, if 25% of that was Bitcoin it would be a big boost to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.

Why not post it in LoL forums instead of here?

At least someone in charge will see it there.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: birkomester on April 22, 2014, 06:12:36 PM
They will not accept bitcoins soon.
Maybe after 1-2 years.
There are already many topics about that in the lol forum.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: franky1 on April 22, 2014, 08:28:23 PM
transaction fe's and satoshi dust means the minimum spend is 6c with 5c fee..

many sites want the ability to do micro transactions where people can buy add-ons and bullets for fractions of pennies.

but Luke JR has totally caused the micro transaction market to not work

why would any site accept a 25c transaction with a 5c fee (20%) this is why zynga is not adopting bitcoin right now, even after alot of their devs have been trying it out...


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Littleshop on April 22, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
transaction fe's and satoshi dust means the minimum spend is 6c with 5c fee..

many sites want the ability to do micro transactions where people can buy add-ons and bullets for fractions of pennies.

but Luke JR has totally caused the micro transaction market to not work

why would any site accept a 25c transaction with a 5c fee (20%) this is why zynga is not adopting bitcoin right now, even after alot of their devs have been trying it out...

Why would zynga or Riot allow transactions under $2.  They don't with credit cards, they wont either with Bitcoin.  They will have a minimum charge, and transfer that value into the users account just like with a credit card.  On a low value transaction they would make MORE money with Bitcoin even with the charges because credit card charges are still higher. 


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: byt411 on April 22, 2014, 09:39:29 PM
transaction fe's and satoshi dust means the minimum spend is 6c with 5c fee..

many sites want the ability to do micro transactions where people can buy add-ons and bullets for fractions of pennies.

but Luke JR has totally caused the micro transaction market to not work

why would any site accept a 25c transaction with a 5c fee (20%) this is why zynga is not adopting bitcoin right now, even after alot of their devs have been trying it out...

Why would zynga or Riot allow transactions under $2.  They don't with credit cards, they wont either with Bitcoin.  They will have a minimum charge, and transfer that value into the users account just like with a credit card.  On a low value transaction they would make MORE money with Bitcoin even with the charges because credit card charges are still higher. 

Even accepting bitcoin as a minimum is a good start. That way I won't have to buy paysafecards to get what I want in LoL.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on April 22, 2014, 10:15:27 PM
You need to give them enough reasons to start accepting it, then they just might do that.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: farlack on April 22, 2014, 10:39:27 PM
Hardly anyone is going to go out and buy bitcoin to buy lol gear. They will use their cc


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Littleshop on April 22, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
Hardly anyone is going to go out and buy bitcoin to buy lol gear. They will use their cc

Don't be so sure. And the bitcoin fees would be lower to the merchant for almost any amount vs the same amount via credit card. And no charge backs from parents.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Light on April 22, 2014, 11:34:51 PM
Put yourself in a 15 year old's position - you have no credit card so can't pay for RP with Paypal or Moneybookers, however you do have some cash and could buy some Bitcoin. Send to Riot, get the RP, everyone's happy.

I don't know about you - but where would a 15 yr old kid go buy some BTC with cash, kids at that age can't even drive so I'm pretty sure their parents would be more willing to either pay for it with their CC or just buy them an RP card. If anything it'd be easier for someone to buy a card than buy BTC and just use that. Anyways, not to mention - much of Riot's userbase doesn't know/use Bitcoin so it wouldn't really be adding anything for them.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: x00x90 on April 23, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
I think they need, in a initial stage, create a "proxy" fictional unit like webmoney created WMX, so they will not deal bitcoins directly.

it would work like a gamecard/ "gamecoin"



Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 23, 2014, 03:40:56 AM
I've corresponded with a very talented artist who was hired by riot.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on April 23, 2014, 05:10:52 AM
I've corresponded with a very talented artist who was hired by riot.
Could you give us a name? He'd have to make a very good presentation to his superiors.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 23, 2014, 05:33:40 AM
I've corresponded with a very talented artist who was hired by riot.
Could you give us a name? He'd have to make a very good presentation to his superiors.

I'd have to dig through some old emails.  Was a whille ago, Not sure if it makes sense to try to proselytize bitcoin lol, but I guess it's possible


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Dogtanian on April 23, 2014, 10:42:24 AM
Why wont any other store accept bitcoin? The only thing we can do is keep asking and keep promoting it. the benefits will eventually become clear to most.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: torry28 on April 23, 2014, 10:56:24 AM
They do not accepting Bitcoin because players there not requesting it to be added. So not worth the trouble to accept Bitcoin for now. For child it is easier to buy the RP card than buy Bitcoin...


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on April 23, 2014, 12:24:43 PM
They do not accepting Bitcoin because players there not requesting it to be added. So not worth the trouble to accept Bitcoin for now. For child it is easier to buy the RP card than buy Bitcoin...
You're saying that the majority of the players are children? Since when is being a child the same as being a teen?


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: vnvizow on April 23, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
Well there's always the doubt and confusion about Bitcoin being a scam, we'll just have to wait it out. As soon as one of them falls the others will join suit  ;D


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Aswan on April 23, 2014, 01:56:23 PM
Anyone know?

It seems that anyone wanting to further the interests of Bitcoin would be pushing HARD for Riot to accept BTC.

If you don't know - Riot run League of Legends. It's by far the biggest game in the world, see here:

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RiotGames_LoL_InfoGraphic-visualnews.jpg

See it has 3 million individual users every month compared with about 600k playing the top 100 PC games on Steam.

They make their money by selling RP (Riot Points) that players use to buy character upgrades. People spends small fortunes on this crap. Look on e-bay, there are accounts for sale with literally hundreds of skins which equates to hundreds of $.

Now it's mainly kids that play this game, I guess lots of them take money from Daddy's credit card to buy this stuff, but surely this is a prime example of where Bitcoin (internet cash) could be king?

Put yourself in a 15 year old's position - you have no credit card so can't pay for RP with Paypal or Moneybookers, however you do have some cash and could buy some Bitcoin. Send to Riot, get the RP, everyone's happy.

Riot games must turn over millions of $ selling these skins, if 25% of that was Bitcoin it would be a big boost to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.

Riots marketing strategy is to what makes their game so successful, mainly by elimination most, if not all competition in parts of the gaming industry.
They aggressively try to force contracts to gaming organizations and events making them drop the competitions games in the event, or making esports organizations drop teams from other games in order to receive a lot of money from riot games.
It's a pretty successful marketing strategy regardless of what people think about it.
This however is not possible with bitcoin because of the lack of a central authority over bitcoin they could force a contract upon to not engage in business activities with the competition.
That said, Bitcoin doesn't fit into their marketing strategy at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if companies competing with them would start accepting bitcoin in the not too distant future tho


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: rayfloyd on April 23, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
1. Buy 50$ CVS gift card on gyft.com with bitcoins
2. Use giftcard on LoL
3. ???
4. Profit!!


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on April 23, 2014, 11:18:20 PM
1. Buy 50$ CVS gift card on gyft.com with bitcoins
2. Use giftcard on LoL
3. ???
4. Profit!!
Step:
1) Buy bitcoins
2) Use them in LoL.
Much easier.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Light on April 24, 2014, 05:39:09 AM
Step:
1) Buy RP with daddy's CC
2) Use them in LoL.
Much easier.

FTFY.

Realistically, from a Bitcoiner's perspective I can see why you'd want merchant acceptance - but from Riot's view I can't see a reason at all to accept Bitcoin transactions.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: thresher on April 24, 2014, 12:31:09 PM
They are to busy trying to create new overpowered champs to please their expanding community of child trolls that believe they will become professional players.

I'd start with getting streamers to only accept bitcoin as a donation.  Players listen to streamers, players bitch at riot, riot creates a bitcoin skin for whoever is op at the moment, we all profit. 



   


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 12:34:59 PM
Step:
1) Buy RP with daddy's CC
2) Use them in LoL.
Much easier.

FTFY.

Realistically, from a Bitcoiner's perspective I can see why you'd want merchant acceptance - but from Riot's view I can't see a reason at all to accept Bitcoin transactions.
Why use bitcoin on overstock when you can use a CC then?


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: spazzdla on April 24, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
The entire QQ currency situation that went down with their parent company is why..  Riot.. Tenacnat attempted to make their own monopolized digital currency...  China didn't take to kindly to that.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: spazzdla on April 24, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
They do not accepting Bitcoin because players there not requesting it to be added. So not worth the trouble to accept Bitcoin for now. For child it is easier to buy the RP card than buy Bitcoin...

INNCORRECT, so very wrong.  Did you go on the LOL forums in dec?  They were filled with requests to accept BTC.. all posted locked and closed very quickly.  I'm telling you they are still bitter their QQ currency got shutdown.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: rext on June 22, 2014, 04:17:36 AM
I could see China going rage mode on the QQ currency, since they are making life more difficult for them


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: URSAY on June 22, 2014, 04:26:06 AM
Are you aware of leaguecoin ?

http://leaguecoin.co


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: zimmah on June 22, 2014, 11:29:31 AM
transaction fe's and satoshi dust means the minimum spend is 6c with 5c fee..

many sites want the ability to do micro transactions where people can buy add-ons and bullets for fractions of pennies.

but Luke JR has totally caused the micro transaction market to not work

why would any site accept a 25c transaction with a 5c fee (20%) this is why zynga is not adopting bitcoin right now, even after alot of their devs have been trying it out...

did you know bitcoin was designed to allow microtransactions in the first place?

I bet you haven't read the whitepaper.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: zimmah on June 22, 2014, 11:33:20 AM
Anyone know?

It seems that anyone wanting to further the interests of Bitcoin would be pushing HARD for Riot to accept BTC.

If you don't know - Riot run League of Legends. It's by far the biggest game in the world, see here:

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RiotGames_LoL_InfoGraphic-visualnews.jpg

See it has 3 million individual users every month compared with about 600k playing the top 100 PC games on Steam.

They make their money by selling RP (Riot Points) that players use to buy character upgrades. People spends small fortunes on this crap. Look on e-bay, there are accounts for sale with literally hundreds of skins which equates to hundreds of $.

Now it's mainly kids that play this game, I guess lots of them take money from Daddy's credit card to buy this stuff, but surely this is a prime example of where Bitcoin (internet cash) could be king?

Put yourself in a 15 year old's position - you have no credit card so can't pay for RP with Paypal or Moneybookers, however you do have some cash and could buy some Bitcoin. Send to Riot, get the RP, everyone's happy.

Riot games must turn over millions of $ selling these skins, if 25% of that was Bitcoin it would be a big boost to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.

Riots marketing strategy is to what makes their game so successful, mainly by elimination most, if not all competition in parts of the gaming industry.
They aggressively try to force contracts to gaming organizations and events making them drop the competitions games in the event, or making esports organizations drop teams from other games in order to receive a lot of money from riot games.
It's a pretty successful marketing strategy regardless of what people think about it.
This however is not possible with bitcoin because of the lack of a central authority over bitcoin they could force a contract upon to not engage in business activities with the competition.
That said, Bitcoin doesn't fit into their marketing strategy at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if companies competing with them would start accepting bitcoin in the not too distant future tho

Ye, like they can force VISA and MasterCard to not engage in business with competitors.

What does their business model have to do with anything?


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: spazzdla on June 22, 2014, 12:44:57 PM
Their parent company attempted a scam with this QQ thing... China.. did not take it well...  They are still licking their wounds and any mention of the world digital currency sends them running in fear.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: thecoindoctor on June 22, 2014, 12:49:18 PM
Anyone know?

It seems that anyone wanting to further the interests of Bitcoin would be pushing HARD for Riot to accept BTC.

If you don't know - Riot run League of Legends. It's by far the biggest game in the world, see here:

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RiotGames_LoL_InfoGraphic-visualnews.jpg

See it has 3 million individual users every month compared with about 600k playing the top 100 PC games on Steam.

They make their money by selling RP (Riot Points) that players use to buy character upgrades. People spends small fortunes on this crap. Look on e-bay, there are accounts for sale with literally hundreds of skins which equates to hundreds of $.

Now it's mainly kids that play this game, I guess lots of them take money from Daddy's credit card to buy this stuff, but surely this is a prime example of where Bitcoin (internet cash) could be king?

Put yourself in a 15 year old's position - you have no credit card so can't pay for RP with Paypal or Moneybookers, however you do have some cash and could buy some Bitcoin. Send to Riot, get the RP, everyone's happy.

Riot games must turn over millions of $ selling these skins, if 25% of that was Bitcoin it would be a big boost to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.
I wish they did


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: rext on June 22, 2014, 06:37:19 PM
they will eventually :)


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: URSAY on June 29, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Add friends in game...

LeagueCoinTipBot

LeagueCoinShop

Skins and tipping already available.  And then there's ggwp.co to look forward to.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622801.0


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: BEECoinfan on June 30, 2014, 06:56:43 AM
Add friends in game...

LeagueCoinTipBot

LeagueCoinShop

Skins and tipping already available.  And then there's ggwp.co to look forward to.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622801.0

Can't wait for ggwp.co to come online...

Also once battle bot is fully implemented and available all on all servers we can hit a much larger demographic!


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on June 30, 2014, 11:49:48 AM
Rito will accept bitcoin as soon as they understand that there is enough demand to justify them implementing it as a payment method.

Considering how many people there are in lol there has to be a lot of those users who also use bitcoin. Especially considering the demographic.

Rito is a company like any other and they will attempt to do whatever is in their best interest.

Rito plz.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: phillipsjk on June 30, 2014, 12:58:08 PM
did you know bitcoin was designed to allow microtransactions in the first place?

I bet you haven't read the whitepaper.

I have read the white paper. While Bitcoin can handle micro-transactions (meaning less than $1 or so) better than the competition, it is still not really designed for them. Every transaction must be broadcast and stored by every node. The common stat thrown around is that Bitcoin can handle about 7tps with the current block-limit.

Dogecoin has a larger block-chain than Bitcoin; due to a tipping culture using lots of micro-transactions.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: kokojie on June 30, 2014, 02:44:40 PM
Step:
1) Buy RP with daddy's CC
2) Use them in LoL.
Much easier.

FTFY.

Realistically, from a Bitcoiner's perspective I can see why you'd want merchant acceptance - but from Riot's view I can't see a reason at all to accept Bitcoin transactions.

Well I'll give them a reason then, I'm a platinum player in LoL, but I've never bought RP, since it's not a pay to win game, there's no reason to buy, RP is only for buying skins. Everything else in the game can be obtained for free. Plus, I try to keep my credit card usage online to a minimum, to minimize the risk of information leak, especially since gaming companies doesn't have the greatest track record of not being hacked.

But if Riot start accepting Bitcoins, I pledge to buy at least 1 BTC worth of RP.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: allthingsluxury on June 30, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
As with most businesses. I am sure they will eventually come around.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: hellscabane on June 30, 2014, 03:19:35 PM
Step:
1) Buy RP with daddy's CC
2) Use them in LoL.
Much easier.

FTFY.

Realistically, from a Bitcoiner's perspective I can see why you'd want merchant acceptance - but from Riot's view I can't see a reason at all to accept Bitcoin transactions.

Well I'll give them a reason then, I'm a platinum player in LoL, but I've never bought RP, since it's not a pay to win game, there's no reason to buy, RP is only for buying skins. Everything else in the game can be obtained for free. Plus, I try to keep my credit card usage online to a minimum, to minimize the risk of information leak, especially since gaming companies doesn't have the greatest track record of not being hacked.

But if Riot start accepting Bitcoins, I pledge to buy at least 1 BTC worth of RP.

Maybe this sort of this should happen more often to entice more merchant acceptance of BTC. Send BTC to an escrow fund, show a company how much is pledged if they begin accepting BTC as a payment, and when BTC is made a payment option, release the funds for transactions. Sure the logistics would need a bunch of fine-tuning, but I could see this working.

Then again though, I think the pledged money needs to be fairly significant in order for this to work.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: tobyliciously on June 30, 2014, 04:51:53 PM
Every1 should just accept BTC IMHO.


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: wordman267645 on August 23, 2014, 07:36:31 PM
When any company start accepting bitcoin they have to need many reasons to accept it.Don't worry sooner or later they will accept it..


Title: Re: Why won't Riot games accept Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on August 23, 2014, 08:35:03 PM
When any company start accepting bitcoin they have to need many reasons to accept it.Don't worry sooner or later they will accept it..
Well the thing with BTC is that it is faster and they save a ton of money on fees.
I'm guessing the only thing that is scaring them away right now is the volatility of BTC. Unless they instantly sell they can't guarantee that they will get the amount of FIAT that was paid using BTC.