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Take your religion.

Think about it's origin.

Was it long ago?

What were the very first believers like?

What did they believe? How intelligent were they? Did they ever make mistakes?

Did the great ancestors of your religion ever get something wrong because they thought they knew the answer...but didn't?

Sure, since truth is a perception and there is no great universal truth hence every single person could claim their religion as moral.


In response to this, if you're a believer of one of the longer running faith's (ie Christianity) I'm doubtful there would be evidence to indicate anything like that - but we can safely assume that all humans throughout all time points have made mistakes based on a flawed understanding/perception.

I think a lot of people who commit 'evil' acts think they're acting morally. Like light said it's perception. Most religions have 'good' morals but then contradict them massively. Though shall not kill... Unless you're a homosexual or adulterer etc.

Religion isn't about morality or good, it's about control over the populace.

You will know the morality based on how you feel about it.

The most powerful entity would decide what the moral is.

religion doesn't make peoples morality, we human being are flawed and bound to do mistakes, and thus it depends on our understand/perception/faith and acts... to many variable, while a religion does have moral recommendation, for those reasons I mentioned people will bypass these and do whatever they want

Most religions teach good morals, but there are always extremists in each religion who interpret their holy texts in a "different" way. There are also scammers who use religions as a front for their own means.

If you judge a religion based on its past history, no mainstream religion is "worthy" for followers.

For most people, religion is a panacea, especially for things they have no control over. Like natural catastrophes or accidents.

Religion is also man-made; hence, there are both good and bad things in it. As to moral, people define it according to the society and context in which they live. What does it mean to be truly moral? That is subjective.

religion is now only a business nowadays :D morality is now depend on every individual its a matter of choice

How can you be religious that way? I don't get it really.And  I don't think buddhism is violent at all. Not that I am buddhist, maybe they kill people ;x. But I agree that all we need is just good people.

Religions lol

He can be religious ,it matters his heart and his actions not if he goes everyday at church or not .And lets not talk about violence.....millions of people died during the centuries  in the name of the religions

I wonder why this threads are even occuring here. I thought that BTC community is all about science, crypto etc. And where is science - there is no religion. Well, maybe not so dramatic but still, you got my point.

There's a lot of greed here too and that draws the hypocrites in.

Simple but effective  ;D.


Well there are a lot of smart people who are also pretty stupid. I think this applies to the human race in general.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.

Be kind and peaceful, but do fight in our holy wars when we tell you to. And kill all the gays. And obey your masters. Also don't cheat on your wife but ignore it when your masters fuck 10,000 women including your young daughters. Etc.

It also served to keep the majority of the population from spending all their time wondering why we are here, thinking about the meaning of life, questioning everything etc. After all, the rulers didn't want them thinking they wanted them toiling in fields and blindly believing that something wonderful was waiting for them after they eventually died some horrific death.

It's much easier to get an army to perform suicidal tasks if you have them believing they are serving God (or more accurately, believing they will be rewarded in an afterlife.)

Not neccesarily about control but getting them to give them your money. Greatest scam in history.

 People claim religion is morality because they confuse prescription with description. people are moral because of their god/religion/holy book instead of realizing they are moral, and it just so happens that their god/religion/holy book partially agrees with them.

I think of many religions as having a moral basis. Too bad there is no God or I'd join in.

In b4 lightning strike. ;D

If it did happen it would be completely random chance  ;D.

Religion is just something that you can "grab on" if you lose faith in everything, otherwise people would just kill them selfs if there would be nothing to believe in. It just makes people more calm. Am I right?

you are right if you follow your religion you get peace in your heart bcoz you become true man :)

Nobody can. Everybody does.
The absurdity that is organised religion

I think it has way more to do with manipulation and control, but yes there is certainly a "teddy bear" aspect to it. I think that is more a reason why people go along with it, rather than the inherent purpose of religions, or the reason why they were created / modified.

Moral people may or may not think they are moral. Immoral people may or may not think they are moral. What you think ultimately doesn't matter. What God says is good is good. Who are we to judge he who created & sustains us....

I think people can claim their religion is moral because they have standards they live by and would like others to live by so people didn't run around in chaos doing horrible things.  I think the topic is a bit misleading in some ways and almost feels like the OP just want to bait people in for some type of arguemnt..  Just saying what I feel is potentially what could happen, not saying it is fact.

what you think ultimately doesn't matter. What you think has no effect on if you are actually moral or not. God isn't even in the picture. one believes in a
God, and typically absolute authority with that; then morals have been constant.

My idea of morality is very simple at it's core and doesn't require religion. It basically consists of:

-Don't steal
-Don't rape
-Don't intentionally injure or kill a person unless necessary to defend yourself or other people they intend to harm
-Don't torture or kill living creatures needlessly

You don't need a special book or a god or a person claiming to be your direct link to God in order to follow these.

What about cheating?

Cheating could broadly fall under the category of theft aka stealing.

Not if he means cheating as in infidelity.

Actually I read a book once where a man explained to his son that the only sin he believe in was theft, and that all other sins that were valid were essentially derivatives of theft. I agree with that logic to a degree. To me infidelity (meaning you are in a relationship with an agreement that neither of you has sex with any other person, and you violate that agreement) would be a form of stealing. This is sort of hard to explain in words. By the same logic scamming/conning someone is stealing (that's easier to understand implicitly.)

I'm going to go back and define morality again. Morality is behavior that is acceptable in a culture by that culture. Having relations with your cousin is acceptable in some cultures, but not in others. Therefore, morality is subjective. Moral absolutes are defined by where one is at, culturally. All over the world, every day, cultures kill other cultures because their moral code tells them that what they are doing is okay and good for their culture. In Rwanda, the Hutu's killed almost a million Tutsi's. Why? They didn't like them. They just wanted to get rid of them. For 10 years, Hutu's killed their neighbors. They couldn't readily get guns, so the used machetes for their primary weapon. Now, I'd like to know, how to you come to a point in your life where you look at your moral compass and it says, "It's okay. Take your machete and go to town on those people". Here in America, if someone kills someone with a machete, it will make the network news lead story. That's just one death. I'm telling you this to illustrate that the Hutu's had morals. Their morals included killing every Tutsi that they encountered.

This scenario is what happens when man defines his morals. This why I do not wish to leave the moral making decisions up to my fellow man. This scenario has happened thousands of time over history. Jews, slaves, Serbians, Cambodians, and even the Aztecs, were victims of another culture's own self proclaimed morality.

This is why, I embrace Christianity.  So I say that my morals come from my faith. My faith says that the number one commandment is to love God. The 2nd commandment is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. That is the Christian belief. When Christians kill witches, or Jews or homosexuals, or non-Christians, they are not following the teachings of Christ. Islam also teaches love above anything else. Islamic fundamentalists pervert their teachings and kill in the name of Allah. They are not morally right.

For the record, I was raised Catholic. The issue I started to have with Catholicism/Christianity in general, is that they will typically tell you that it is not 'a-la-carte,' you have to accept the whole religion or none (I am simplifying it but that is the basic point they state.)

Well, I agree with some Catholic beliefs (don't kill, don't steal, love your father, etc) but some of them are just outright silly to me, and more importantly - I firmly believe that very few Christians are following some of these rules. The most obvious example is the no pre-marital sex rule. Come on, seriously? How many Christians do you think follow that rule? Maybe 5%? And I don't think this is just a recent modern trend.

I also straight up refuse to believe a lot of the biblical stories. Ok so God makes the world, God makes man, God gets mad that man isn't doing what he wants them to do, so God murders 99.99% of them. But then tells us don't kill each other because that is bad. Right.

Abraham goes through a lot of fucked up things, to satisfy God's desire to "test" him.

Job basically loses everything and suffers horrifically for the same basic reasons.

Is that the kind of God we should be 'worshiping?'

The gay marriage thing poses a problem as well. Science and history tell us pretty clearly that there have been homosexuals basically for as long as there have been human beings. If God is all-powerful then why would he make a certain percentage of humans be inclined toward doing something he has a major problem with? We have pretty effectively proven at this point that most gay people don't "choose" to be attracted to the same sex. It is almost certainly a genetic trait.

As I started to learn about other religions, especially in college where I took several classes on them, I found that they all have this built-in hypocrisy and/or rules that I have a major problem with. They all include rules or practices that I find it extremely hard to believe that even the majority, let alone all, of the practitioners of those religions are following. I could list about a thousand examples for Jews and Muslims but I will refrain from doing so. It's not necessary as I am sure everyone reading this can think of obvious examples.

I do believe that there was some kind of higher power responsible for, or involved in, the creation of life. I just don't think that any modern religion I have heard of is an accurate explanation of how it happened or what our response should be. I think they are all more or less just evolved systems of control.

Using logic vs people involved in religions does not work. Just end this discussion permanently.

As long as we all agree that there's almost certainly no gods and move on  ;D.

If you or others don't believe in god ,doesn't mean that He doesn't exist,people complicated everything by inventing religions !

I think the fact that he doesn’t exist gives a pretty good indication that he doesn’t exist. You having faith that he does exists doesn’t make him so either.