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Title: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: mayday9 on April 24, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
It seems to be impossible to turn of email notifications from Cryptsy. Every time a user makes a wallet to wallet transaction, cryptsy sends an email containing ALL the data - how much of which currency was sent from user's cyptsy wallet to external wallet. This effectively links an email address to cryptsy account and to the outgoing wallet.

We all know that big brother loves to collect emails. Cryptsy helps them to easily compile a database of millions of wallet addresses - link them to emails - link emails to people, thus uncovering who owns what and does business with whom.

Cryptsy why don't you:
A - give people the ability to disable email notifications if they want
B - send a little less info in the notification email - if you must


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: franky1 on April 24, 2014, 06:37:59 PM
It seems to be impossible to turn of email notifications from Cryptsy. Every time a user makes a wallet to wallet transaction, cryptsy sends an email containing ALL the data - how much of which currency was sent from user's cyptsy wallet to external wallet. This effectively links an email address to cryptsy account and to the outgoing wallet.

We all know that big brother loves to collect emails. Cryptsy helps them to easily compile a database of millions of wallet addresses - link them to emails - link emails to people, thus uncovering who owns what and does business with whom.

Cryptsy why don't you:
A - give people the ability to disable email notifications if they want
B - send a little less info in the notification email - if you must

users:
A if your going to dodge taxes and paranoid of governments, dont use cryptsy
B if you think th government waste time on you, rather then big threats, you need your ego checked
C even if government have all email data, your not that important for them to stalk you, so get on with your life


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: genjix on April 24, 2014, 06:42:33 PM
they are doing huge dragnet surveillance operations flying drones over entire neighbourhoods harvesting bulk data that is compiled into massive databases on you that remains around forever. your complacency is dangerous.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: odolvlobo on April 24, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
users:
A if your going to dodge taxes and paranoid of governments, dont use cryptsy
B if you think th government waste time on you, rather then big threats, you need your ego checked
C even if government have all email data, your not that important for them to stalk you, so get on with your life

What an unbelievable display of ignorance.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: franky1 on April 24, 2014, 06:54:59 PM
its not ignorance.

its just knowing the reality of life. if they have every binary digit of info relating to your life. then what are you going to do about it. it seems many people prefer to pretend that the government is reading your personal data because you believe the government think your at the top of a wanted list. get your ego's checked. as it has been said the data may just sit there, never being viewed/used, ever. your not really that important.

also if you have the fear that they are going to stalk you and read every bit of data about you, then dont use services that offer such info. which in this case means dont use cryptsy.

also what will you actually personally do to stop the government from grabbing data through tapping your internet or using drones that has wifi sniffing tools...... nothing, you will just bitch and moan about it on a forum.

so now we are at the reality of life. government is grabbing data and your not going to stop drones, internet tapping.. so now you are left with the choice. if you dont like a website that releases info.. avoid it.

there is a difference between ignorance and rational thought..


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: spazzdla on April 24, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
Are we actually debating if the gov spies on us after snowden.. like really?  Holy f ing f.. I hate sheeple


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: thresher on April 24, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Personally I agree with the poster, and people should not use the same email they put on a government form for personal issues (not that I follow that rule, but I can't fault it.)

Other than that, how many people that trade on cryptsy actually make enough money that they are going to be audited, let alone get to the point where your explanation isn't good enough and they start a criminal investigation, or whatever the fuck happens.   


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: spazzdla on April 24, 2014, 07:05:37 PM
Personally I agree with the poster, and people should not use the same email they put on a government form for personal issues (not that I follow that rule, but I can't fault it.)

Other than that, how many people that trade on cryptsy actually make enough money that they are going to be audited, let alone get to the point where your explanation isn't good enough and they start a criminal investigation, or whatever the fuck happens.   

Well TBH I am Canadian and my gov seems to currently NGAF if it's under 10k.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: franky1 on April 24, 2014, 07:05:46 PM
Are we actually debating if the gov spies on us after snowden.. like really?  Holy f ing f.. I hate sheeple

no, its a certainty that the US are grabbing data. but what is being discussed is with all of that data on millions of people. some people here think they are of such importance that governments are actually reading data concerning them.

the ego of some basement dwellers thinking they are more important then terrorists, murderers and rapists. truly amuses me


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: spazzdla on April 24, 2014, 07:12:17 PM
Are we actually debating if the gov spies on us after snowden.. like really?  Holy f ing f.. I hate sheeple

no, its a certainty that the US are grabbing data. but what is being discussed is with all of that data on millions of people. some people here think they are of such importance that governments are actually reading data concerning them.

the ego of some basement dwellers thinking they are more important then terrorists, murderers and rapists. truly amuses me

I'd bet dollars to donuts they are selling the data they recieve, although again... I see your point of so what, but I want to get paid for release data about me god damnit.  You wanna know what my cock looks like NSA you gotta pay, or well should have to pay.. free loaders.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: BCB on April 24, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Any legitimate Virtual Currency business operating in the US or serving US customer is required by BSA to provide specific info to Government and Law Enforcement. 

This is the entire basis for Know Your Customer (KYC) Anti-Money Laundering (AML) Laws and Regulations.



Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: mc_lovin on April 24, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Potential Solution: https://www.cryptex.email/

I haven't used this, but I've heard great things!


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: franky1 on April 24, 2014, 07:25:55 PM
I'd bet dollars to donuts they are selling the data they recieve, although again... I see your point of so what, but I want to get paid for release data about me god damnit.  You wanna know what my cock looks like NSA you gotta pay, or well should have to pay.. free loaders.

the OP is not saying cryptsy sells details to government. but instead sends data about value being withdrawn to peopls emails. which can then be snooped upon by governments making copies of emails. (although chances of them reading the emails is less then 1 in a million)

Any legitimate Virtual Currency business operating in the US or serving US customer is required by BSA to provide specific info to Government and Law Enforcement.  

This is the entire basis for Know Your Customer (KYC) Anti-Money Laundering (AML) Laws and Regulations.

that applies to FIAT that is not in paper form but in virtual (digital form) please separate the words virtual currency, far away from crypto currency or digital credits etc.
only businesses that touch FIAT for the purpose of transmission, need to be registered for AMLKYC

Solution: https://www.cryptex.email/

even that is not helpful for those tin foil hat basement dwellers with enlarged ego's. after all government has a copy of every web page you ever viewed as they grab data via your ISP, even with proxies to stop middleman data sniffing, they grab it from source.

the simple rule is, if your not doing a massive crime, reading your data is a waste of government time.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 07:30:15 PM
So you're using your private email for cryptsy? You should always have one or two with fake details for these things.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: justusranvier on April 24, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
It seems to be impossible to turn of email notifications from Cryptsy. Every time a user makes a wallet to wallet transaction, cryptsy sends an email containing ALL the data - how much of which currency was sent from user's cyptsy wallet to external wallet. This effectively links an email address to cryptsy account and to the outgoing wallet.

We all know that big brother loves to collect emails. Cryptsy helps them to easily compile a database of millions of wallet addresses - link them to emails - link emails to people, thus uncovering who owns what and does business with whom.
LocalBitcoins does the same thing, except they do allow you to disable email notifications.

I've asked them for about six months to provide an option for receiving PGP encrypted emails, but so far they haven't added that feature.

We really should be demanding that option from all Bitcoin companies as a general principle.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: spazzdla on April 24, 2014, 08:04:25 PM
I am saying the gov is selling our data...  and I want to be paid for it.. fing criminal bastards.. our govs are so fing criminal it pains me when I think about it.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: Beliathon on April 24, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
Relax, the NSA and their ilk don't even need permission anymore. If they want to see your shit, they will see your shit.



Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: solid12345 on April 24, 2014, 08:26:06 PM
the simple rule is, if your not doing a massive crime, reading your data is a waste of government time.

It was a "waste of time" for the East Germans to collect data on every single citizen but they did it anyway in case you ran afoul of them. I don't get this belief that the way to keep government benevolent is to continue to give them more power, how anyone who believes in crypto and cannot see that point goes beyond me.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: odolvlobo on April 24, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
the simple rule is, if your not doing a massive crime, reading your data is a waste of government time.

The government determines what a crime is. You might not be worried now because you aren't committing a crime, but by the stroke of a pen you could be.

Second, governments have no problem wasting time and money. That will never impede them. Think of all the time and money wasted on tracking all the phone calls made by people not doing massive crimes.

It is sad that people have to protect themselves from their own governments.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: solid12345 on April 24, 2014, 08:47:22 PM

The government determines what a crime is. You might not be worried now because you aren't committing a crime, but by the stroke of a pen you could be.


The SEC could have a field day with these forums if they decided to retroactively go after people for pumping and dumping crypto coins. I think the only thing that would save a lot of people here is many are under the age of 18  ;D


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 09:08:26 PM
the simple rule is, if your not doing a massive crime, reading your data is a waste of government time.

The government determines what a crime is. You might not be worried now because you aren't committing a crime, but by the stroke of a pen you could be.

Second, governments have no problem wasting time and money. That will never impede them. Think of all the time and money wasted on tracking all the phone calls made by people not doing massive crimes.

It is sad that people have to protect themselves from their own governments.

Or when citizens from other countries have to defend themselves from the US. This is terrible. Governments are wasting way too much resources on spying innocent people.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: Justin00 on April 24, 2014, 10:57:11 PM
i don't usually ever recommend vids.. but this is a must for anyone interested in NSA and spying etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU
'protect an infect part 2'


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: GogglesPisano on April 25, 2014, 01:19:21 AM
Potential Solution: https://www.cryptex.email/

I haven't used this, but I've heard great things!

This looks great, thanks!


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 25, 2014, 07:17:21 AM
To this day, I still have major companies that I signed for send my login and password in plain text via email. Each time I send them a kind reminder stating that that's not a good practice, and they reply with "they will pass it on to the appropriate department" (paraphrased).

Meanwhile, we travel about with our smartphones and continue to jackoff in front of our computers sans masking off the camera and turning down the sound so that under aged boys can't be heard, if you're into such a thing, of which I'm not.

Overall, I'm pretty much off their radar unless, that is, desert goats are declared an endangered species, then I'll have to pack up and move to another ranch.


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: mayday9 on April 25, 2014, 10:00:32 AM
i don't usually ever recommend vids.. but this is a must for anyone interested in NSA and spying etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU
'protect an infect part 2'

excellent video. thanks for that


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: BCB on April 27, 2014, 05:56:02 PM
So you're using your private email for cryptsy? You should always have one or two with fake details for these things.

And then you end up with the same problem many people who had money stuck in gox.  They did not use real credentials and gox would not release funds until the users verified info. 


Title: Re: Cryptsy handing over user info to big brother!
Post by: Lauda on April 28, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
So you're using your private email for cryptsy? You should always have one or two with fake details for these things.
And then you end up with the same problem many people who had money stuck in gox.  They did not use real credentials and gox would not release funds until the users verified info. 

This never happened to me, I've used many fake emails. What are you talking about?