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First off...I don't think it is that important to figure out who Satoshi Nakamoto is.  That said, I heard Andreas Antonopoulos on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast the other day, and he was 100% positive that Dorian is not Satoshi Nakamoto.  (Great podcast by the way, anyone into Bitcoin should really download and listen to the whole episode).

Anyways...my question is...how is Andreas SO POSITIVE that Dorian is not Satoshi Nakamoto?  Andreas met Dorian the other day to give him the Bitcoins he fundraised for him, and said that he had to help Dorian setup his internet connection.  This, along with his speech pattern was evidence enough for Andreas to state unequivocally that Dorain is not Satoshi Nakamoto!

But, what if Dorian is just so brilliant, that he is acting in public as a more "dumbed down" version of himself? That wouldn't be so hard to do, especially for someone so brilliant to have created Bitcoin.

I've also heard the evidence where he stated "if I wanted to be anonymous, why would I have used my real name?" Well...maybe he created Bitcoin, and just never thought it would become so popular, and in hindsight wishes he DIDNT use his real name?

I would LOVE a response from Andreas Antonopoulos to this post! Because the truth is...if Leah from Newsweek was right about Dorian being Satoshi Nakamoto, than people like Andreas are beating up on her pretty badly for actually doing a pretty amazing job uncovering a mystery. I agree her evidence was circumstantial at best, and I agree that outing Dorian may not have been ethical (especially if he isn't Satoshi!).  But I have yet to hear a good piece of evidence to the contrary either!

Andreas...if you read this post...can you please clarify the comments you made the other day on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast?  You unequivocally stated that Dorain is not Satoshi Nakamoto...but the evidence you gave was as circumstantial as the evidence Leah gave.  Can you please clarify, this is bugging me.  Thanks!! You are awesome btw.

Andreas has a least met the man. Spent time with him.  Took in his surroundings (possibly).
Dorian would have to be the master of disguise to fool someone to the point where they are 100% sure, when there is suspicion surrounding them.

Newsweek wanted a big scoop for their relaunch.

The story should have been presented as a theory and not fact. I'm pretty sure the folks at Newsweek will be cleaning the egg off their face from this one for a while....

I like this theory better: https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

Regardless, the only reason I'd want to know who Satoshi is to say thank you.

Think logically would real bitcoin inventor  show in public? There is no way he would do that , he must stay anonymous for his own safety, so  i think there is no doubt that he is not "real" Satoshi Nakamoto.

I think most religious people would recognize their messiah if they saw him in person.

BTW do you guys think Dorian asked Andreas for lunch too? I wonder whether he likes Greek food?

Hard to believe Dorian would "Keyser Soze" all of us.  Don't think it's "our Satoshi" based on his most recent appearances.

Who doesn't like greek food?  Tzatziki sauce is the best!

"bitcoin satoshi" has posts, code and other factors that show proof of a british education. also the type of knowledge "bitcoin satoshi" is in a different realm.

the reason dorian was picked was not due to finding that dorian has a british education, it does not look at the code skill and finds dorians code skill matches. (the projects dorian was involved in was totally different then what could have been used to create bitcoin)

the real reason was simple. a blonde news reporter could not even be bothered to do any research, and instead simply grabbed a phone directory and picked on the only guy with that name.

very soon she will use her research skills (phone directory) to find jesus, sh will then look for Geoff Oscar Davidson.. and inform the world that she has found GOD.

and if she thinks i am libelling her, she will take Franky Whan to court.. (not the name on my birth certificate) just an innocent guy that has a birth certificate that matches my online persona.

now back to the OP's question andreas is good at research and has many years of bitcoin experience so he has had years to look deep into "bitcoin satoshi" and obviously when visiting 'dorian satoshi' he cannot find a single tie that could make it at all possible that dorian is the bitcoin creator.

maybe the same way we know that barack obama, whether you like him or not, was born in the united states.

Really?  I've been on the intranets for A LONG time.  I am NOT old by any stretch of the term, but I am old enough to predate the internet.  That said...this will be my VERY FIRST TIME using a word that I am usually opposed to because of its radically reductive nature.  Here goes...you sir...are a...TROLL!

I feel dirty...

Have you examined the birth certificate the whitehouse published  yourself?  I have.  It is full of anomalies and it is OBVIOUSLY a doctored digital , NOT A SCAN OF A BC as was claimed.  Please don't get me started.

What a stupid question.

In case anyone needs another reason:

You can clearly see the life and color in Dorians face today vs when he was looking more haggard and stressed out by Newsweek.  Can't fake that by acting. 

Seriously, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutCFMc5khY). The identity of its creator is the LEAST important thing about Bitcoin.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe that's WHY he/she/they prefer to remain anonymous? There is great wisdom in this act of humility. Wisdom echoing that of the invention itself.

Hey OP, how do we know that you're not Satoshi Nakamoto? If someone writes a random ass newsweek article saying it's true, does that make it true?

How do we know you're not actually Satoshi posing as a random bitcoiner for your own amusement?

I hereby postulate... Drbitcoin is the real Satoshi nakamoto.

Hungry?
HUNGRY!
Do not stay online too long without food.  :)

http://0.tqn.com/d/greekfood/1/0/_/Y/RoastLambLeg.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/05/04/1241485414_4711/539w.jpg

http://brocktongreekfest.com/_images/rotator/5.jpg

Come on Bit_Happy!  Why you gotta do that. >:(

I already ate lunch and now I gotta hit the Halal truck outside my office, because of you.   :-\

Yummy food!
I promise not to do it again for at least 5 hours.  :D

Seeing Dorian in the video,  and listening to the way he articulated his thoughts (I could be wrong), but he did not seem capable of creating BTC.   Maybe English is not his first language, but the manner in which the white paper alone was written did not seem like it came from the same person that was in the video.

The only way Andreas can know that Dorian is not Satoshi is if Andreas is Satoshi.

Ah-hah!

Haha, yes Im hungry too! Greek food is awesome!

He could surely be him. Nice explanation.

Well for starters, I'm not a brilliant software programmer with a mathematics background who worked on secret government programs whose legal name is Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto.

So while Dorian May or may not be Satoshi Nakamoto...I can assure you that anyone who looked into my past would immediately eliminate me because I don't have a single one of these qualities while Dorian has quite a few. Doesn't mean he is Satoshi...but it's plausible that he could be.

Japanese people often take their father or grandfather's name (and sometimes make that name their middle name), so that means that Dorian's dad may actually be Satoshi Nakamoto... :o

Simple... Do you seriously think that the real Satoshi would use his real name?  (as Dorian mentioned in the video himself)

Positively Satoshi:
How tall was he?
Can you describe his clothes?

http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/5e/19/5e191112bebf41d372252f2c496102b4.jpg


None of those above look right:
Is this a brilliant aging man with something to hide?
http://images.politico.com/global/2014/03/17/140306_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto_ap_605.jpg

At least Andreas met Dorian in person. Dorian even did a 3 min video thanking the Bitcoin community with Andreas last Monday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YmJZ-qVW8

"Satoshi Nakamoto"

 ;D  ;D  ;D

i love how on the internet.. anyone who has a dissenting opinion from yours is mindlessly labelled "a troll."

Which one statement is more likely true:
Dorian is indeed Satoshi Nakamoto,
or
Obama really was born in Kenya, not the USA?

Obama born in Kenya way more probable

Tin-foil hat crazies everywhere.  ;)

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/92/57/9257f11e5c2c7726e6deaf1ff75a8ae9.jpg?itok=0VwYLsSE

https://cdrkerchner.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/obama-ssn-nogood.jpg?w=300&h=231&h=231

Thread started out bad enough but now it has gone full

http://strugglers.net/~andy/imgs/tfha.jpg

Saddening really as there were a few posters whose previous posts had always seemed quite logical.

I don't know why he is so positive but something tells me he is right.  I don't care either way as long as Bitcoin is left alone to do what I believe  it was meant to do.

I love Dorian only cared about getting the free meal he was promised, that was so awesome and I had respect for him making that clear to all those reporters barging into his life and stalking him. 

There MAY be 1-4 people who actually know who(s) Satoshi is.. Thats Hal finneygod bless him, gavin anderson, and Martti Malmi. Possibly jeff garzik.
People who have actually came in direct contact.

This is not a good argument, and I keep hearing it over and over again. Don't you think it is possible that when he created Bitcoin, he NEVER expected it to be a world wide phenomenon. Hindsight is 20-20. So it is possible, that Dorian looks back in that as a huge mistake.

Also...it is possible that Dorian was not the sole creator, but had a hand in the project. Therefor someone else used his name.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this...but I still think Dorian is Satoshi Nakamoto or had a hand in Bitcoins creation! I haven't heard any good evidence to the contrary. It is possible that he is playing a "dumbed down" character, and using weasel words to "non-lie" while not being forthright. It is also possible that I am wrong and he is an innocent bystandard.

But Leah shouldn't be thrown under the bus and beaten up as badly as she has been, because if she was right...then she pulled off an amazing piece of journalistic investigating.

That said...I agree that if he isn't SM than Leah put him at great risk and did something completely unethical!

Sure it's a good argument.

Your counter argument is plausible.  However, Satoshi was careful never to reveal anything personal and probably encrypted all his communications behind Tor (although I cannot find a reference to offer proof of that).

But look, Satoshi was VERY forward thinking.  It wasn't just that he created a breakthrough idea with Bitcoin.  There are many technical aspects of Bitcoin that solve both security and economic issues before they ever became problems.  It is a bit mind-boggling.  Satoshi is just not a 20-20 hindsight guy.  Farthest thing from it, and such a remarkable mind would be almost certainly wise enough to remain anonymous.

Good point.

Ya Satoshi Nakamoto Is not Dorian. Seriously tho guys it really doesn't matter who he is only that he exists and he created a Protocol that has taken on a life of its own. We the People need to protect this Protocol and Sadly we may even have to Fight to keep this Protocol as Decentralized as Possible for many years to come. However I believe the new alternitives being put together will allow the people to form strong communities that use these new Alternate Crypto Commodities and Crypto-Equities to Fund and Launch new Innovative Technologies and Alternative Energy Sources that will allow us to be freedom to this world one day at a time.

Who he or she is not what matters to me.  I don't suspect Satoshi is an angel but someone who sees a need for Bitcoin to exist at this time.  What matters to me is if Bitcoin is what it has been told to be which is financial freedom from the collapsing banking system or just a better system in general.

how wouldnt it be an escape from that system, assuming it became widely adopted?

I wasnt on these forums when they first came out. Didn't Satoshi have a registered account here? Or was it that no one knew his screen name?

I believe Andreas has a hunch that Dorian is in fact Satoshi, and that is why he singlehandedly orchestrated a way by which he could be in the presence of Satoshi himself.

Whether there is proof or not, it would be Andreas' lifetime dream to meat Satoshi and shake his hand.

And now he has accomplished that.

-B-

I think even if andreas knew Dorian was satoshi, he would say he is positive it is not him, out of respect.

The Satoshi account:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3