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Title: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Balthazar on April 27, 2014, 09:55:21 PM
http://rt.com/news/155220-3d-printer-houses-china/

It's hilarious, waiting for 3D shredder :)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: roslinpl on April 28, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
http://rt.com/news/155220-3d-printer-houses-china/

It's hilarious, waiting for 3D shredder :)


Wow! :o

I knew that 3D printing will revolutionize manufacture :)

3D printed houses, toys, tools, guns ...

:) soon everything will be printed ... :D



Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Hazir on April 28, 2014, 11:16:13 PM
It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: connexus on April 29, 2014, 12:37:28 AM
Great, just great. Everytime a new version of Windows is released, you'll have to buy a new printer and build a new house.  :)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 01:03:41 AM
It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.

The article doesn't offer that much information, but this seems to be comparable to Contour Crafting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contour_crafting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contour_crafting)). That being the case, it is actually pretty cool: typical construction is extremely inefficient, time consuming, usually requiring a lot of man power and producing a lot of waste; but these processes can change all that.

And to your point of it being a simple shack, in Contour Crafting at least, the idea is to have a "printer" that can handle the construction of a building following a blueprint that can be arbitrarily complex. In fact NASA has apparently funded them to develop the technology further, with a possible usage being the construction of lunar structures.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: counter on April 29, 2014, 01:20:37 AM
Nice find, thanks for posting this.  I think there will be many more interesting stories as 3D printing technology advances over time.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 03:09:45 AM
It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.

If they could construct 10 shacks in just 24 hours, then they might be able to construct at least one normal house in the same 24 hour time period. It is a promising feat, a proof of Chinese innovation.  ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Vod on April 29, 2014, 04:02:48 AM
It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.

Saw this report on Global National.  These houses are approx 10x stronger than standard building materials.  So they will be great for earthquake zones.

You can always add on more rooms anyway with the modular design.

My $0.02

 ;)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 07:10:42 AM
Saw this report on Global National.  These houses are approx 10x stronger than standard building materials. 

That is perfect. The manual errors are eliminated and the cost is reduced by many times. What more do we need? I really hope that within the next 2-3 years, majority of the construction activity will be done by 3D printing.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: jinjuro on April 29, 2014, 08:08:22 AM
Next they will be printing cars, robots, airplanes, tanks and ships. 3D Printers will decide who win the war in the future.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Next they will be printing cars, robots, airplanes, tanks and ships. 3D Printers will decide who win the war in the future.

If this is possible:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-22/online-gun-sales-3d-printing-of-weapons-concern-for-police/5404622

then printing cars, robots, airplanes, tanks and ships is also possible.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: hilariousandco on April 29, 2014, 08:18:21 AM
It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.

And maybe it'll be most beneficial to the poorest of the poor then.

It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.

Saw this report on Global National.  These houses are approx 10x stronger than standard building materials.  So they will be great for earthquake zones.

These things would be great in disaster zones or could even be used to build better shanty towns etc.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 29, 2014, 08:20:05 AM
That's Impossible !
He-he Well at least its not made out of garbage this time
Cough the garbage bridge of China
http://www.weirdasianews.com/2010/02/05/shanghai-wonderbridge-trash-collapses/

That said it has potential since 3D printing is awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0rYO5YI7kA


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 09:41:44 AM
That's Impossible !
He-he Well at least its not made out of garbage this time
Cough the garbage bridge of China
http://www.weirdasianews.com/2010/02/05/shanghai-wonderbridge-trash-collapses

Well.. it is in China. So those responsible for this theft, and corrupt practice will be severely punished and they public funds which were stolen will be recovered from them. Still.. it is such an embarrassment.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 29, 2014, 09:47:47 AM
That's Impossible !
He-he Well at least its not made out of garbage this time
Cough the garbage bridge of China
http://www.weirdasianews.com/2010/02/05/shanghai-wonderbridge-trash-collapses

Well.. it is in China. So those responsible for this theft, and corrupt practice will be severely punished and they public funds which were stolen will be recovered from them. Still.. it is such an embarrassment.

True although I have seen a couple shenanigans from China not just in construction but even food and that's a bit harder to detect.
http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-gutter-oil-scandal-110-chinas-cooking-oil-may-be-recycled-garbage-1448384
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJOLCvPm5Dg

Unless it is an exploding watermelon (HOW THE HECK DID YOU GET IT TO EXPLODE) was the question that got into my mind lol
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13421374
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4yY-i56-I

In my perspective a 3D printed house is a giant step forward though
Even if it is a bit more like a Shanty Town or Shed than a real house at least its better quality than the stuff above lol.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 10:08:29 AM
True although I have seen a couple shenanigans from China not just in construction but even food and that's a bit harder to detect.
http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-gutter-oil-scandal-110-chinas-cooking-oil-may-be-recycled-garbage-1448384
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJOLCvPm5Dg

Oh god... that was really disgusting. Why the government and the cops are allowing this to happen. Almost threw up after watching that video. I will never eat anything from the outside if I ever visit China.  >:(

Check this also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: roslinpl on April 29, 2014, 10:17:06 AM
It is not that great. It is just simple shack. 2 walls, 2 wall windows and roof. It is improvement of course over cardboard box but who would like a house like that? Probably only the poorest of the poor.

Poorest of the poor?

Imagine how we can use it:

let say a building site - offices and staff's rooms could be done 3D printing instead of wasting a fuel and money :)

Second great idea : a 3d printed camp site near a sea site :)

Or - how to build a garage? :) 3d print it.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Balthazar on April 29, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
Printing costs are ~75% lower than traditional building approach costs. So it will be very helpful for corporate sector (offices, industrial buildings et cetera).


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: zetaray on April 29, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
This will be extremely useful for aid after natural disasters! Ship a 3D printer to the hit zone and families get shelters in hours.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 29, 2014, 10:32:14 AM
True although I have seen a couple shenanigans from China not just in construction but even food and that's a bit harder to detect.
http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-gutter-oil-scandal-110-chinas-cooking-oil-may-be-recycled-garbage-1448384
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJOLCvPm5Dg

Oh god... that was really disgusting. Why the government and the cops are allowing this to happen. Almost threw up after watching that video. I will never eat anything from the outside if I ever visit China.  >:(

Check this also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

Sorry for traumatizing you there a bit bryant, but yah I keep track of newsfeeds and China gets one of the weirdest WTF ratings on them
Kind of scares me too what else is going on that was just scratching the surface
Sewer oil is not the weirdest thing did you know you can make soy sauce from human hair well not anymore it got banned same with the melamine in milk
I could go batshi* crazy if I went into the shenanigans :)

But just a sample ^_^
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8476080/Top-10-Chinese-Food-Scandals.html
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/hair_made_soy_sauce_an_update (Great Read) from When asking how the amino acid syrup (or powder) was generated, ....

The ongoing Sewer Oil problem to leather milk or perhaps an aluminum dumpling or Glow-in-the-dark pork ... in summary
Beware the food.
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/blue-glowing-pork-meat-found-in-shanghai.html

That said if your blind its more beware the traps... and don't fall into the manhole
http://www.ministryoftofu.com/2011/04/photos-chinas-absurd-and-dangerous-footpaths-for-the-blind-the-disabled-face-barriers/

Now I feel like I'm China bashing but honestly it really is as you said embarrassing.

Better relax before I totally lose track of 3D printing

Hopefully they do not mess with the plastic components and carcinogens and PVC plastic but that's another story
http://www.carcinogenesis.com/article.asp?issn=1477-3163;year=2012;volume=11;issue=1;spage=5;epage=5;aulast=Brandt-Rauf
 
http://mashable.com/2014/04/28/3d-printing-houses-china/

Video from RT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqBxEAtXZA


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: roslinpl on April 29, 2014, 04:04:59 PM
while we talk about 3D printing, have you seen this?

http://www.iflscience.com/sites/www.iflscience.com/files/styles/ifls_large/public/blog/%5Bnid%5D/cast_1.jpg?itok=rAaEO4Fi
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/3d-printed-cast-speeds-bone-recovery-using-ultrasound


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: u9y42 on April 29, 2014, 06:23:31 PM
Next they will be printing cars, robots, airplanes, tanks and ships. 3D Printers will decide who win the war in the future.

Actually, I think the US navy is already considering printing drones aboard their ships: http://rt.com/usa/3d-navy-drones-printers-960/ (http://rt.com/usa/3d-navy-drones-printers-960/) (and notice that article is almost 1 year old).


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: jinjuro on April 29, 2014, 07:59:20 PM
We will be doomed once skynet become sentience and started printing millions of drones and robots.  :)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: CoinDiver on April 29, 2014, 08:15:34 PM
This is awesome stuff. This is a new paradigm in construction. It's going to take a while to stop thinking in boxes and flat walls, before we're really going to see what's possible with this. I'm stoked.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: roslinpl on April 29, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
We will be doomed once skynet become sentience and started printing millions of drones and robots.  :)

http://i1.wp.com/riverbankoftruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/transhumanism.jpg?w=545

Cyberpunk 2020 not far from us.

Have you seen Titan The Robot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxfeNXPucUw)?

:) world is changing.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: acs267 on April 29, 2014, 09:01:33 PM
while we talk about 3D printing, have you seen this?

http://www.iflscience.com/sites/www.iflscience.com/files/styles/ifls_large/public/blog/%5Bnid%5D/cast_1.jpg?itok=rAaEO4Fi
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/3d-printed-cast-speeds-bone-recovery-using-ultrasound

I also think there were guys in Africa printing artificial limbs for people involved in wars. Pretty cool, if you ask me. The Tech Age has already started, but perhaps a more advanced age can replace it.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 03:02:01 AM
We will be doomed once skynet become sentience and started printing millions of drones and robots.  :)

Who will control all those millions of drones and robots? As far as I know, a drone needs 1 to 3 operators to control it full-time. They will be able to print-out the drones, but won't be able to use them.  ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: counter on April 30, 2014, 03:16:17 AM
the technology exists to make the drones control themselves.  I suspect the time passes the need for operators will be obsolete @bryant_coleman


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 05:05:15 AM
the technology exists to make the drones control themselves.  I suspect the time passes the need for operators will be obsolete @bryant_coleman

Oh god... that will be so lame. You want to insert artificial intelligence in the drones? I don't want the drones shooting random civilian targets and triggering civil war.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: u9y42 on April 30, 2014, 05:09:48 AM
the technology exists to make the drones control themselves.  I suspect the time passes the need for operators will be obsolete @bryant_coleman

Oh god... that will be so lame. You want to insert artificial intelligence in the drones? I don't want the drones shooting random civilian targets and triggering civil war.

I think the shooting of random civilians was included in the general idea... Jinjuro was talking about Skynet (from the Terminator films) becoming sentient, so that's what he would do.  ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 05:22:24 AM
I think the shooting of random civilians was included in the general idea... Jinjuro was talking about Skynet (from the Terminator films) becoming sentient, so that's what he would do.  ;D

What will you do if the controlling program of the drones are somehow hacked, and they are made to attack the same people who created it? If Skynet becomes real, then Jinjuro will also be targeted.  ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: activebiz on April 30, 2014, 06:25:00 AM
Very intresting development. I cant wait to get one myself


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: niothor on April 30, 2014, 09:13:43 AM
Very intresting development. I cant wait to get one myself

The house or the drone?
Or the printing machine for them :).


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 30, 2014, 11:30:02 AM
Very intresting development. I cant wait to get one myself

The house or the drone?
Or the printing machine for them :).

Probably both why not print them one at a time
The house and then the drone to monitor the house XD


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: roslinpl on April 30, 2014, 12:14:24 PM
Very intresting development. I cant wait to get one myself

The house or the drone?
Or the printing machine for them :).

Probably both why not print them one at a time
The house and then the drone to monitor the house XD

I think in 10 years there will be new saying "you cannot buy it?   3d print it".

Damn ... I haven't got 200k to build a house. .. hmm! 3d print it :-)

3d printed cars?  Possible?  In China for sure.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: niothor on April 30, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
Very intresting development. I cant wait to get one myself

The house or the drone?
Or the printing machine for them :).

Probably both why not print them one at a time
The house and then the drone to monitor the house XD

I think in 10 years there will be new saying "you cannot buy it?   3d print it".

Damn ... I haven't got 200k to build a house. .. hmm! 3d print it :-)

3d printed cars?  Possible?  In China for sure.

You still need the materials to print the house and at this stage I think it's far more expensive to have a real house , not the doghouse in the article "printed" than traditionally built.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 12:27:37 PM
We will be doomed once skynet become sentience and started printing millions of drones and robots.  :)

Who will control all those millions of drones and robots? As far as I know, a drone needs 1 to 3 operators to control it full-time. They will be able to print-out the drones, but won't be able to use them.  ;D

The skynet will take control of everything. Those drones are easy to control a simple program will do and don't need operators.  :)

start

      go to bryant.coleman house

      fire 1 hellfire missile

  If bryant.coleman house is hit=true
  
      go back to base
  
  else

      fire 1 hellfire missile

end



Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Balthazar on April 30, 2014, 12:31:10 PM
This algorithm won't work properly because it doesn't include handling of the result for the second attempt. ::)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: niothor on April 30, 2014, 12:32:58 PM
This algorithm won't work properly because it doesn't include handling of the result for the second attempt. ::)

The drone has only two rockets on board. So the result doesn't matter. :)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
This algorithm won't work properly because it doesn't include handling of the result for the second attempt. ::)

I'm not a programmer.  :) . At least it keeps firing hellfire missiles into his house.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Balthazar on April 30, 2014, 01:24:05 PM
This algorithm won't work properly because it doesn't include handling of the result for the second attempt. ::)

The drone has only two rockets on board. So the result doesn't matter. :)
Yep, but well-designed drone should include self-destruction device which would include enough TNT to achieve success in the mission. This device could be used in case of double failure.  ::)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
The skynet will take control of everything. Those drones are easy to control a simple program will do and don't need operators.  :)

start

      go to bryant.coleman house

      fire 1 hellfire missile

  If bryant.coleman house is hit=true
  
      go back to base
  
  else

      fire 1 hellfire missile

end

OK.... then I'll hire a hacker for $100/hour. Will hack the drone controlling system and change the code as follows:

start
      go to bryant.coleman house
      surrender
      unload one hellfire missile
Take-off
      go to jinjuro house
      destroy everything in the 100m radius
Self-terminate.

 ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: u9y42 on April 30, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
I think the shooting of random civilians was included in the general idea... Jinjuro was talking about Skynet (from the Terminator films) becoming sentient, so that's what he would do.  ;D

What will you do if the controlling program of the drones are somehow hacked, and they are made to attack the same people who created it? If Skynet becomes real, then Jinjuro will also be targeted.  ;D

Hmm, I'm guessing you didn't see the movies? Skynet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28Terminator%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28Terminator%29)), was a self-aware artificial intelligence that had as a goal the extermination of the human race. So yes, Jinjuro and the rest of us would be killed if it was up to Skynet... :P

In here:

We will be doomed once skynet become sentience and started printing millions of drones and robots.  :)

Jinjuro is basically saying that once Skynet becomes active, and being a true AI, able to control those drones and robots by itself, we would all be dead.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 30, 2014, 10:24:09 PM
This algorithm won't work properly because it doesn't include handling of the result for the second attempt. ::)

I'm not a programmer.  :) . At least it keeps firing hellfire missiles into his house.

Ah darn programming the wave of weaponry in the future for lazy people lol.
Else visits SwordofFreedoms House get hacked
Add code
Return to sender  ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 01, 2014, 02:34:10 AM
This algorithm won't work properly because it doesn't include handling of the result for the second attempt. ::)

I'm not a programmer.  :) . At least it keeps firing hellfire missiles into his house.

Ah darn programming the wave of weaponry in the future for lazy people lol.
Else visits SwordofFreedoms House get hacked
Add code
Return to sender  ;D

That is what I'm going to do. My post above.  ;D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: SunSeeder on May 02, 2014, 08:28:03 AM
Oh god I wanna get one. Who knows how it's possible to transport this giant to Europe? It's really brand new possibilities opening with this thing.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: practicaldreamer on May 03, 2014, 04:33:32 PM
Will these printers ever do flesh and blood do you think ?

Cos I've got a great design in mind -

  http://n1s2.hsmedia.ru/22/e8/aa/22e8aa97ac0cce4295822262f51f6ebc/556x600_0xc0a8393c_11672480561370477867.jpg

We could live in our printed house, make lots of 3D kids and live happily ever after :D


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: u9y42 on May 04, 2014, 03:34:01 AM
Will these printers ever do flesh and blood do you think ?

Cos I've got a great design in mind -

[...]

We could live in our printed house, make lots of 3D kids and live happily ever after :D

In a few years, you might be in luck...  ;D

At the moment you will have to settle for a plastic skull: http://rt.com/news/3d-printed-skull-surgery-949/ (http://rt.com/news/3d-printed-skull-surgery-949/); but there are companies looking to use this technology to actually create organs, by using living cells grown in a lab as the building material. See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NovoGen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NovoGen).

EDIT: it seems that ears and a few other parts have already been printed too: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/10158886/Scientists-print-3D-bionic-ear.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/10158886/Scientists-print-3D-bionic-ear.html)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: WEB slicer on May 04, 2014, 04:22:36 AM
My $0.02

 ;)
ohh noes


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 04, 2014, 04:30:56 AM
Will these printers ever do flesh and blood do you think ?

Never going to happen. Instead of that, buy a life-sized silicone lovedoll and be happy. Costs around $10,000.

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/299/5/5/silicone_love_dolls_by_heartstethlover-d5izh29.jpg


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on May 07, 2014, 05:02:48 AM
Will these printers ever do flesh and blood do you think ?

Never going to happen. Instead of that, buy a life-sized silicone lovedoll and be happy. Costs around $10,000.

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/299/5/5/silicone_love_dolls_by_heartstethlover-d5izh29.jpg

How much would that cost me if I used a 3D printer instead Bryant ^_^


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: u9y42 on May 07, 2014, 05:11:39 AM
Will these printers ever do flesh and blood do you think ?

Never going to happen. Instead of that, buy a life-sized silicone lovedoll and be happy. Costs around $10,000.

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/299/5/5/silicone_love_dolls_by_heartstethlover-d5izh29.jpg

How much would that cost me if I used a 3D printer instead Bryant ^_^

$1234.99, clothes not included... hrmm, I mean, maybe something along those lines...  ::)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on May 07, 2014, 05:34:58 AM
Will these printers ever do flesh and blood do you think ?

Never going to happen. Instead of that, buy a life-sized silicone lovedoll and be happy. Costs around $10,000.

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/299/5/5/silicone_love_dolls_by_heartstethlover-d5izh29.jpg

How much would that cost me if I used a 3D printer instead Bryant ^_^

$1234.99, clothes not included... hrmm, I mean, maybe something along those lines...  ::)

Don't tempt me I swear I'll start mass producing these things for the Bitcointalk forums
J/K although if I started seeing sex dolls for sale on the talk forums I might have a monumental facepalm then epic win moment Ha-ha (add to things you can buy with bitcoins and need pseudo-anonyminity for hehe)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 08:49:54 AM
$1234.99, clothes not included... hrmm, I mean, maybe something along those lines...  ::)

Well... place the order with some Chinese companies, and you'll get it for $249.99 (clothes included). Be ready to pay extra for the shipping charge, and for the customs and excise duty.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 01:44:40 PM
This might be amazing looking from a one point of view but it can also lead to things like unemployment in the case of building engineers loosing jobs since this huge printer does their work without mistake, getting tired asking for higher wages, need of medial insurance and so on.

As much as it can bring progress it can lead to bad things.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Slark on May 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM
The only thing that leads us to self destruction is current banking system and debt. With our current technology most of the people would not need to work at all. And we could still progress and live better. Gigantic 3D printers are not the problem at all.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Mike Christ on May 07, 2014, 03:59:51 PM
This might be amazing looking from a one point of view but it can also lead to things like unemployment in the case of building engineers loosing jobs since this huge printer does their work without mistake, getting tired asking for higher wages, need of medial insurance and so on.

As much as it can bring progress it can lead to bad things.

Not true; these homes are fit for people who really don't have much (a good thing), but for anyone else who wants a home that's of at least minimal quality, home building will still be a popular profession, and architects can still be found designing printed homes and regular homes.  Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: umair127 on May 07, 2014, 04:12:22 PM
I knew 3d printing  was going to be the future once I heard they were printing metal shapes.  Plus if some of you watched  Grey anonotmy Dr Yang wanted to start printing a heart.  one we figue out decode the genes for allowing people to get printed hearts, kiss heart attacks good bye


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 04:18:12 PM
This might be amazing looking from a one point of view but it can also lead to things like unemployment in the case of building engineers loosing jobs since this huge printer does their work without mistake, getting tired asking for higher wages, need of medial insurance and so on.

As much as it can bring progress it can lead to bad things.

Not true; these homes are fit for people who really don't have much (a good thing), but for anyone else who wants a home that's of at least minimal quality, home building will still be a popular profession, and architects can still be found designing printed homes and regular homes.  Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Actually very true. If you read everything about it will be like Lego so you can create palace and it is much, much stronger then wooden house thats mostly built in " tornado alley " for example. Architects yes, building constructors = no.Thats a big difference.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 04:30:31 PM
Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Exactly. We should adopt new technology as soon as possible. Building contractors can easily find alternate work in other sectors, may be in constructing bridges and tunnels.. (don't think that 3D printers will be capable of doing it).


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: umair127 on May 07, 2014, 04:50:55 PM
Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Exactly. We should adopt new technology as soon as possible. Building contractors can easily find alternate work in other sectors, may be in constructing bridges and tunnels.. (don't think that 3D printers will be capable of doing it).
 
Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really beleieve we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 05:10:22 PM
Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really believe we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.

You know... when computers started to get popular in  the late 80s, and early 90s, a lot of people suddenly become unemployed. Clerks, cashiers.... you name it. But it only lasted for a decade or so. The same clerks learnt computer programs, and re-entered the job market as data operators.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: CoinDiver on May 07, 2014, 05:15:39 PM
Technological advances may lead to short term losses in jobs, but always lead to long term increases in standards of living. This is no different. All that money not going to build less economical housing, is free to be spent on other products or services.

Those that understand economics, and still say this technology is bad are either in the housing business, or in the business of manipulating voters.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Kluge on May 07, 2014, 05:20:24 PM
Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Exactly. We should adopt new technology as soon as possible. Building contractors can easily find alternate work in other sectors, may be in constructing bridges and tunnels.. (don't think that 3D printers will be capable of doing it).
 
Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really beleieve we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.
Machines can fix themselves. Printers print repair drones which repair printers. Drones can be salvaged and reprinted if they break down. Drones can cover the most common reasons to fix things, but if they can't fix it, you simply salvage the entire machine and reprint it. Printer self-replication was one of the earliest goals of the industry. Excluding the designers, a new, large factory with unique machinery would take a team of 10 engineers maybe half a year to be finished. After that, you really only need a drone supervisor to have a human determine which trespassers should be immediately incapacitated. Architects will be replaced as soon as resource scarcity is no longer a "problem" (when printed space drones mine and haul resources to space factories and we put ski lodges inside stars because we have nothing better to do).


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 05:30:17 PM
Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really believe we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.

You know... when computers started to get popular in  the late 80s, and early 90s, a lot of people suddenly become unemployed. Clerks, cashiers.... you name it. But it only lasted for a decade or so. The same clerks learnt computer programs, and re-entered the job market as data operators.

Robotic in industry are doing what humans used to do decades ago. In few decades you will have robot surgeons, robot taxi driver and so on. But hey you can always be a wedding planer or a lawyer :)


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: RodeoX on May 07, 2014, 05:30:46 PM
That's cool!   :o


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 05:39:19 PM
Robotic in industry are doing what humans used to do decades ago. In few decades you will have robot surgeons, robot taxi driver and so on. But hey you can always be a wedding planer or a lawyer :)

Exactly. There will always be certain jobs which only humans can do.

Technological advances may lead to short term losses in jobs, but always lead to long term increases in standards of living. This is no different. All that money not going to build less economical housing, is free to be spent on other products or services.

+1. And adding to that, a large number of western nations are actually facing a shortage of skilled manpower, due to demographic changes. This might be one of the better options to overcome that problem.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 06:30:27 PM
Robotic in industry are doing what humans used to do decades ago. In few decades you will have robot surgeons, robot taxi driver and so on. But hey you can always be a wedding planer or a lawyer :)

Exactly. There will always be certain jobs which only humans can do.



I never said there wont be jobs for humans, but considering our population is only getting bigger, life span longer and technological advances faster and faster, I'm 100% sure that in next few decades there would be less jobs that would require man labor. You can admit that or not, but robot will take our jobs, mainly mechanical like now and then who knows. We use robots everywhere, you dont even need humans to crop your fields, simply use machine that is guided by computer.....


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 07:08:59 PM
I never said there wont be jobs for humans, but considering our population is only getting bigger, life span longer and technological advances faster and faster, I'm 100% sure that in next few decades there would be less jobs that would require man labor.

In many of the industrialized nations, the population is getting older. Working age population is declining almost everywhere in the Europe and America (and in China, Korea and Japan also), while the number of pensioners is booming. So we can keep out the new technology from Africa and India where the population is increasing, while using it in places where the work force is getting smaller.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 10:46:29 PM
I never said there wont be jobs for humans, but considering our population is only getting bigger, life span longer and technological advances faster and faster, I'm 100% sure that in next few decades there would be less jobs that would require man labor.

In many of the industrialized nations, the population is getting older. Working age population is declining almost everywhere in the Europe and America (and in China, Korea and Japan also), while the number of pensioners is booming. So we can keep out the new technology from Africa and India where the population is increasing, while using it in places where the work force is getting smaller.

The population is getting older because life expectancy is getting older. I don;t understand what you mean by Working age population. Like average age of people that are working? or the age they start to work? Pensioners are related to people getting older and life expectancy and that will only be higher. China has 1 child policy and India, with all due respect 90% of population is what you would consider poor, and withhout work is some 10% officially but those numbers could be much higher. Even Spain has problem with unemployment, >20%

Do you think those numbers would get lower if we start to implement robots in everyday business?


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 03:04:22 AM
The population is getting older because life expectancy is getting older. I don;t understand what you mean by Working age population. Like average age of people that are working? or the age they start to work? Pensioners are related to people getting older and life expectancy and that will only be higher. China has 1 child policy and India, with all due respect 90% of population is what you would consider poor, and withhout work is some 10% officially but those numbers could be much higher. Even Spain has problem with unemployment, >20%

Do you think those numbers would get lower if we start to implement robots in everyday business?

Working age populaiton means people who are in active workforce. That is the total population excluding the pensioners and the children. Spain is an outlier, due to the recent economic crisis. And my only concern is not to lower the unemployment rate. If a particular country or government will be able to save money using robots, then it should do so, regardless of whether some unqualified people lose their jobs or not. The money saved in this way can be used for social welfare.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 10:49:24 AM
The population is getting older because life expectancy is getting older. I don;t understand what you mean by Working age population. Like average age of people that are working? or the age they start to work? Pensioners are related to people getting older and life expectancy and that will only be higher. China has 1 child policy and India, with all due respect 90% of population is what you would consider poor, and withhout work is some 10% officially but those numbers could be much higher. Even Spain has problem with unemployment, >20%

Do you think those numbers would get lower if we start to implement robots in everyday business?

Working age populaiton means people who are in active workforce. That is the total population excluding the pensioners and the children. Spain is an outlier, due to the recent economic crisis. And my only concern is not to lower the unemployment rate. If a particular country or government will be able to save money using robots, then it should do so, regardless of whether some unqualified people lose their jobs or not. The money saved in this way can be used for social welfare.

Now you are jumping to conclusions with unqualified workers. How do you know if they are unqualified? If robot takes your job perhaps you will think differently. And robots on a long run would be much more qualified then humans to do ANY job in a near future, some ( well more then some ) now. They don't require training, food, health care, pension, free days, sick leave, they don't go to holidays... It's not that only country would save money, every business owner ( large company owner ) would. And for them more profit = better.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 11:21:06 AM
If robot takes your job perhaps you will think differently. And robots on a long run would be much more qualified then humans to do ANY job in a near future, some ( well more then some ) now.

If a robot is going to take my job, then I will shift to some other job. If necessary, I will get the additional training needed for that. There is no point in blocking innovative technology, saying that people will become jobless.

In some parts of the world, when computer was first introduced, there were mass protests by these employee unions. They were saying that it will take away the jobs. These people set fire to computers, thrashed the places where they were deployed. (Unfortunately, I was an eye witness to such actions).

And you know what happened in the end? The MNCs moved to some other place where the computers were allowed. The unions and their followers lost their jobs, while the other guys saw their salaries getting increased by many times.

Strictly IMO, I believe that giving a $100,000 employment to a single person is much better than giving a $5,000 employment to 10 people.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 11:33:47 AM
If robot takes your job perhaps you will think differently. And robots on a long run would be much more qualified then humans to do ANY job in a near future, some ( well more then some ) now.

If a robot is going to take my job, then I will shift to some other job. If necessary, I will get the additional training needed for that. There is no point in blocking innovative technology, saying that people will become jobless.

In some parts of the world, when computer was first introduced, there were mass protests by these employee unions. They were saying that it will take away the jobs. These people set fire to computers, thrashed the places where they were deployed. (Unfortunately, I was an eye witness to such actions).

And you know what happened in the end? The MNCs moved to some other place where the computers were allowed. The unions and their followers lost their jobs, while the other guys saw their salaries getting increased by many times.

Strictly IMO, I believe that giving a $100,000 employment to a single person is much better than giving a $5,000 employment to 10 people.

So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Computer did caused lots of jobs to be lost, not nearly as it was predicted but it did. Robot can do what computer cant since you still need a human to operate one. Robots can be programmed and left alone, only to be checked for maintenance.

MNC stands for? 

It is better, if that person is you, right? But i bet if the things are different that you would chose to receive 20,000$ and 4 of your friends if that will save your job.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Remember about those clerks and accountants who initially lost their jobs when the computer arrived. They just underwent basic computer training (2 weeks / 4 weeks) and re-entered their jobs with increased salary. The way we work changes, as technology evolves.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: umair127 on May 08, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Remember about those clerks and accountants who initially lost their jobs when the computer arrived. They just underwent basic computer training (2 weeks / 4 weeks) and re-entered their jobs with increased salary. The way we work changes, as technology evolves.

In the willy wonka movie the remake, same thing with the father he lost his job, then he got training to fix machines and then got his old job back, was less more labor for him to fix then to produce, but even if one person gets there job back doesnt mean everyone will.  Still they are making these machines so they can save money in labor. 


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
Still they are making these machines so they can save money in labor. 

That is not the only consideration. Take this case. The buildings constructed by the 3D printer is believed to be 10 times stronger than the ones constructed manually. The human error is avoided. And if someone is able to save money on the construction costs, that doesn't mean that it will all end up as profit (especially if there is competition). In most of the cases, it will mean that the end-product will be cheaper.

Also, don't believe this machines takes away our jobs propaganda. One simple question to ask you. After the computers were invented, have they taken away more jobs than they have created?


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 03:45:36 PM
So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Remember about those clerks and accountants who initially lost their jobs when the computer arrived. They just underwent basic computer training (2 weeks / 4 weeks) and re-entered their jobs with increased salary. The way we work changes, as technology evolves.

Again you are confused about two things. Computer requires a MAN to operate it. Robot doesn't. How can a man replace robot if robot is faster, doesnt get tired, cost less to operate ( not initial cost ), doesnt take sick leave.... You can run one robot 24/7/365. Human can't. So Robot = more profit, Human = less.


Title: Re: Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 04:21:17 PM
Again you are confused about two things. Computer requires a MAN to operate it. Robot doesn't. How can a man replace robot if robot is faster, doesnt get tired, cost less to operate ( not initial cost ), doesnt take sick leave.... You can run one robot 24/7/365. Human can't. So Robot = more profit, Human = less.

It is you my friend, who is confused. Robots can't operate on their own. They need human presence to monitor them. (There were attempts to give them artificial intelligence, but despite the massive hype these attempts failed miserably). Anyway, we are talking about 3D printers here.....  Just check the video and you'll see the person who is controlling it.