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I could even go ahead and say magic cannot exist while science exists.

are you guys following?

Magic is Science :p and most of the tricks are based on science ..! and other one are just Illusion that is science too..! :p

Science, bitch! Science! Magic is mainly illusions but science is real. You know?

Magic is just artful deception: slight of hand and illusion. I love great magic tricks that you have no idea how they were done though.

If the more "traditional" magic was real, (I mean with weird spells that can do lots of weird spells), it would be possible to explain with magic. If that's what you meant?

all scientific phenomena must be reprodutible in some sense, and must be isolated from others variables to do so. There are many phenomena are not reprodutible and/or can be isolated and studied separately, for exemple:

The history(you cannot rise Napoleon from the grave and do the Waterloo battle again)
Most so called miracles(no one can force God to do things)
Most of so called paranormal phenomena(ex: visions about the future you have at random moments)
The conscience(you cannot think about the conscience without being conscient)


your science cannot confirm or deny if magic really exists or not

Are you guys familiar with Clarke's Three Laws?

Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer Arthur C. Clarke. They are:

1) When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2) The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

I think law no3 is self explanatory. And so true.

Non existence does not exist.  Anything is possible.

I will defy physics soon enough.

Allow me to add that I already have done such on a small scale.

The day you prove to me that you can fly (without using any tools), then I'll start believing in what you say! :D

Well, you better believe in yourself enough to get to the music festival and you will see just that happen.

And when one sees one fly, one may also fly.

Are you talking about magic in the traditional sense of the word (ie shooting fireballs and crap) or are you talking about the more recent incarnation of "magic" ie cheap deception of mass audiences using tools, psychology, and outright lies?

"With the power of soul, anything is possible" - Jimi Hendrix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0adhAWcGY)

or in other words, magic is just science unexplained.

well sceintist created machines that can let you defy gravity, so thats kinda of like magic

you might be missing the point. something is only magic when its functional principles are not understood.

Well you could also argue that something is only "magic" if it is scientifically impossible. Assuming of course, that you are in the camp of people who don't believe "magic" things have occurred.

Link to this please? :)
Would be quite cool to do just that though!

Why dont you use google, research it, there is also machines now that let us go camoflouge, This would have been magical back in the stone age all way to the iron age.

Yes, but you forfeited your soul to squall.

This doesn't mean you have a soul burdened with debt - it means you don't have a soul.

Black magic really does exists!!!

so Mark Karpeles theft of the BTCitcoins was actually theft and not magic?

Says who? Where is the proof?

It was theft.

I  don't think that there is enough evidence to prove this theory.  Science is not perfect so there is no real basis to substantiate such a claim IMO.

Do not know what to say. I know that miracles are possible, and that people can do much more than they think. We use only about 11 percent of brains, so do not know. But nice topic.

This is just a myth. There is no real evidence to back it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_percent_of_brain_myth
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

Go ahead and show me how you walk on the waters or change water in wine.  ;D

I bet it's some kind of illysion or else.

If you're referring to the Bible then... no comments.

Anyone can take a book, write in it that Lauda walked on water, can't they?  :D

But it won't be the most popular book on earth :P

I don't value popularity like most people do.

You would get a lot of pussy ;D

yes it is i've witness this kind of happening back in my province here in the philippines sorcerer really do used black magic and its a destruction to a person who have wounds all over his body and when a blood came out you will see a tiny broken glass which is also came out from the wounds and after couple of weeks the victim died with a lot of worm on his wounded legs i know its unbelievable but you can always do a research about this

What kind of research? Looks like a simple sepsis to me.

Most of Magic exists because science.

Hey, in things like Star Trek there was stuff like the communicator in a shape of a cellphone, and we had it.
So are you expecting me that in the future there is no such thing as walking on the waters?

Something less obvious than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-wxnID2q4A

I disagree, while I understand where you are coming from and it is in a way true, the thing is you are taking it from a western view on Magic/Alchemy. Magic has different interpretation and types according to different civilizations/regions/religions/.... and there are some type of magic or sorcery that are really incompatible with science or the way we define something scientific no matter how bizzare it is (Quantum mechanics principals are magical in a way when you compare to them to classical physics but while the principals are bizarre scientifically speaking it is pure science as the principals can be explained by math, experiment after experiment prove that those principal works and there is a continuity with previous studies ...)

I'm going to fall back on my default definition again folks: magic is things that are scientifically impossible, occurring. I don't believe I have ever seen any hard evidence of such a thing occurring. If it did, and someone could figure out and conclusively prove how it was accomplished, then it would become science.

I believe magic is like science we do not yet understand

"Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so" - Galileo Galilei
And I agree, what is still mysteries to us can all be explained using science, we just haven't learned how to do so yet!

This doesn't even make sense. It wouldn't be Magic then.

Haha yeah. I think magic is meant to be stuff that defies science or physical laws, but it's just illusion and slight of hand. Good magic should have you completely baffled by how it was done, and whilst there is always an explanation, I don't think it has to be specifically 'scientific'.

if it can happen, then doesn't that mean it's part of the physical laws? it's more about our understanding of physical laws in relation to what can happen.

Let me rephrase that:  I think magic is meant to be stuff that seems to defy science or physical laws, but it's just illusion and slight of hand.  ;D

+1
Magic is the word we give to things we can't understand in the present. Even to the bests scientists of the middle-ages, our current civilization would definitely look like divine magic.

But what about that unexplained 'magic'; wouldn't you call things that science can't explain right now magic?

magic is kewl.  i use art of Deception like David Copperfield

We know very little about the universe.  Just seems to be a whole bunch of speculating in my opinion.

Well, i think magic is what science cannot explain in that moment. Eventually science will understand how it happens and turn it into science.