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Title: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: btc-banker on May 15, 2014, 03:58:29 PM
Thanks to our technology, we are a combination of online and offline wallet = safe hybrid cloud wallet.

We are a very profitabe wallet because if you keep your bitcoins with Btc-Banker.Com, you will get a 3% daily profit.
It will be more than 90% per month! The profit it's calculated EVERY DAY based on how much coins you have in your wallets on that day.
The profit can be withdrawed INSTANTLY to any bitcoin address, including the wallets we have provided you.
+ Your coins are NOT locked, you can send it ANY TIME to any other bitcoin purse !

Until now more than 5000 members with over 1354 bitcoins are trusting us.
Trust https://www.btc-banker.com - be safe and profitable.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: bitsmichel on May 15, 2014, 08:26:41 PM
Which part of the wallet is online, can you elaborate how is it safer?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Anotheranonlol on May 16, 2014, 06:20:36 AM
A pretty obvious scam here


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ranlo on May 16, 2014, 07:40:03 AM
its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence.
we are a absolutly legit company, you can verify in the liechtenstein company register.
as i remember about blockchain at beginning was the same discution.
we will bring more light and happy on bitcoin users face...


Can you please also provide a link to where your company registration is? So we don't all have to go searching for it (and it does help provide transparency).


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ranlo on May 16, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
absolutly sure, i can http://www.oera.li/hrweb/eng/firmensuche.htm   this is the website of liechtenstein Business Names Index 
(Land and Trade Registry) - our company is B & P Strategy Fund http://www.oera.li/webservices/HRG/HRG.asmx/getHRGHTML?chnr=0002287698&amt=690&toBeModified=0&validOnly=11000&lang=4&sort=0
or on http://www.worldbox.net/companies/country/liechtenstein/b  - http://www.worldbox.net/company/b-and-p-strategy-fund_LI0000245349

That actually goes a long ways. Thanks for doing that, :).


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: server on May 16, 2014, 08:21:28 AM
A pretty obvious scam here

This.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: steyehn on May 16, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
so i started a new wallet and theres a free 38435 satoshis already, so this free satoshis will start to earn 3% daily starting tomorrow?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 16, 2014, 12:07:00 PM
This is a clear scam to run off with funds.

No plan of how you will make money, you say you are bitcoin millionaires. Just because you are bitcoin millionaires doesn't mean you want to give your money away.

Just thought I'd help anyone not following this:

THIS IS A SCAM


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ranlo on May 16, 2014, 03:44:27 PM
This is a clear scam to run off with funds.

No plan of how you will make money, you say you are bitcoin millionaires. Just because you are bitcoin millionaires doesn't mean you want to give your money away.



Well, he actually said that they are doing it as a temporary promotion (which would be just like any other site that gives away money to bring in members). What you really mean to state is that there is no information on how they are going to make a profit later on. If they aren't making money from the site, user acquisition is meaningless.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: server on May 16, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
This is a clear scam to run off with funds.

No plan of how you will make money, you say you are bitcoin millionaires. Just because you are bitcoin millionaires doesn't mean you want to give your money away.



Well, he actually said that they are doing it as a temporary promotion (which would be just like any other site that gives away money to bring in members). What you really mean to state is that there is no information on how they are going to make a profit later on. If they aren't making money from the site, user acquisition is meaningless.

If they aren't making money then they cannot promise to double your money within 1 month.

What is a ponzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme) ?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 16, 2014, 04:59:59 PM
Until now more than 5000 members with over 1354 bitcoins are trusting us.

Please sign a message from a few addresses that contain even 50 btc.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ranlo on May 16, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
Your profit it's calculated DAILY and you can withdraw it any time to any bitcoin address.
Example: you store 10 bitcoins in one of your bitcoin address created on btc-banker.com - after 24 hours you will have a 0,2 bitcoin profit and next day another 0,2 btc and so. But whats good? The 10 btc in NOT locked, you can send it ANY TIME to any other bitcoin purse ! (by hyip sites and ponzis the money is locked until the deposit period end and this is high risky - here is no deposit period, the money is yours, nobody lock it.

3% of 10 is 0.3, by the way...


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 16, 2014, 07:09:22 PM
edited, thanks - i am very tired
Leave


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: steyehn on May 17, 2014, 03:09:06 AM
the free 38435 satoshi you put in my newly created wallet is already gone lol guess you have to scrape off every satoshis you could get just to pay off your 5000+ members 3% daily interest  :'(


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 03:11:19 AM
the free 38435 satoshi you put in my newly created wallet is already gone lol guess you have to scrape off every satoshis you could get just to pay off your 5000+ members 3% daily interest  :'(

Do not use this service. It is a scam.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: steyehn on May 17, 2014, 08:11:12 AM
i checked the address that contained the 38435 satoshi. it already have 7 transactions. the last transaction was the withdrawal of those 38435 satoshis. u give out your address to trick people into depositing to your wallets = scam



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
SCAM


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 10:47:32 AM
That is fine, no moderator will take you seriously with this.

You're offering 240% interest PER MONTH (recurring 3% daily) - and your only explanation was that you are millionaires.

Okay, puzzle me this, originally you are giving out a lot of money. How will you be making it back?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: steyehn on May 17, 2014, 01:02:44 PM
Stop embarrassing yourself, just leave and dont log in with your username anymore or you might as well use btc-scammer  ;D i dont think their site will let you withdraw anything. Its a stupid program where you can register multiple accounts but the 10 address they provide are always the same ;)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 01:06:12 PM
Stop embarrassing yourself, just leave and dont log in with your username anymore or you might as well use btc-scammer  ;D i dont think their site will let you withdraw anything. Its a stupid program where you can register multiple accounts but the 10 address they provide are always the same ;)
They are such incapable scammers that they can't even do an RPC call to get a new address for each customer...


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 01:16:06 PM
MrWDunne because you run a scam service https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 that not mean all other are scam ...
This is pathetic.

1) My service has not launched yet. We are under development and still in IPO - we couldn't be a scam yet if we tried.

2) We're a bitcoin exchange, a known and tested business model.

3) We offer no interest on deposits.

4) Find one example of someone saying we are a scam - other than yourself.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ahmedjadoon on May 17, 2014, 02:46:07 PM
90% profit in 30 days. You need to offer some realistic rates even if you want to scam.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 03:05:46 PM
i really not understand people - you put any cent in btc-banker.com ? you lost any cent ? i am sure, NOT - than why u come here and you call scam,scam ? i really cant understand
Because it is a clear scam.

Hello Sir,

I am prince orf nigera. u wire me $10,000 and u gt inheritnce o $3,000,000

yurs,

Willie Freeman



No, I never wired him $10,000 - but I still know its a scam.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
ok, than explain me "mr prince of nigeria" - if the money on your site bitcoin address are NOT locked - NOBODAY can lock it, because its yours, and from bitcoin system its imposible to lock any money -than how will i scam you?
you not send the money to my bitcoin address - you send it to your addresses, only you have access to this money
If I only have access to this money you cannot deposit. You're describing the blockchain.info/coinpunk model.

They do not even know your addresses.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 17, 2014, 04:06:45 PM
"If I only have access to this money you cannot deposit." - I not understand you.  You transfer money to YOUR site bitcoin addresses. You DONT transfer any money to my btc address. The money is your, you can send it, transfer it any time - nobody can lock it.
This is retarded.

How does your website work then may I ask? Because this is a wallet service as if in it is ran on your web server.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 18, 2014, 05:38:18 PM
"mr i know all" - you absolutly not understand the bitcoin system, all is independent, all is free - nobody has access to your bitcoins, the bitcoin addresses are generated deterministic , nobody can access your bitcoins, so nobody can scam is this case - because i repeat again: you transfer money to YOUR site bitcoin addresses. You DONT transfer any money to my btc address. The money is your, you can send it, transfer it any time - nobody can lock it. So, please dont talk shit about scam, anyway this discution is useless with you.

You're an idiot. Please describe the technology you use that means this is not a bitcoind client on your computer. Oh wait, you're too stupid to even do that, you just have 10 addresses you rotate for each user.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 18, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
No evidence, except the couple of people who have reported this as a scam.

You don't know how bitcoin works.

You don't know how bitcoin wallets work.

Please leave.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 19, 2014, 07:28:37 PM
expect you -but you talk shit without any evidence a other user (this claimed "free satoshi coins") we have only satisifed members

5417 members with over 1529.61 bitcoins are trusting us!

Use btc-banker.com and earn a 3% daily profit
Entirely lies. Please sign a message saying btc-banker from an address with even 30 bitcoins.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 19, 2014, 07:34:37 PM
Entirely lies. Please sign a message saying btc-banker from an address with even 30 bitcoins.

They won't sign anything with even that much.

Obvious Scam is Obvious
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #vRlg5Fb52HxSwbkU


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ranlo on May 19, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
can you explain me please - how can i convince any of our member to post here messages? (we dont have, dont request any personal details like, name, email, etc) - if they will, they will post here...

Make a request on your site. Something like the front page. Add testimonials area and reward people that are willing to take a minute to share their experience.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 19, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
can you explain me please - how can i convince any of our member to post here messages? (we dont have, dont request any personal details like, name, email, etc) - if they will, they will post here...
I mean signing a message from a private key. I don't care what any shills have to say.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 19, 2014, 08:14:10 PM
can you explain me please - how can i convince any of our member to post here messages? (we dont have, dont request any personal details like, name, email, etc) - if they will, they will post here...

Why don't you explain to us how you plan to get the 3% interest daily?
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #DcruZNnSLBo9QXHZ


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 19, 2014, 08:19:29 PM
can you explain me please - how can i convince any of our member to post here messages? (we dont have, dont request any personal details like, name, email, etc) - if they will, they will post here...

Why don't you explain to us how you plan to get the 3% interest daily?
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #DcruZNnSLBo9QXHZ
Founded by bitcoin millionaires wishing to give away all of their money of course.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 20, 2014, 12:10:03 AM
5369 members

Is 5369 your favorite number?

Over 1448.0442307692 bitcoins.

Yeah, sure.

5369 members with over 1448.0442307692 bitcoins are trusting us!

New members and bitcoins deposited are counted instantly.

Thanks to all meber trust us!

You say trust a lot don't you?

no sense to continue this discution ... you talk big-big stupidity, probable because you are e idiot. (this will be my last reply to your "smart" comments- it's easy to talk shit without any evidence, better go and kill yourself)

Are you kidding me?
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #xtmmNp5CUbnY4xb8


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: steyehn on May 20, 2014, 02:05:55 AM
ey someone deposited 5264 satoshis to your btc-banker address that you share to all newly created wallet.  ;D upon checking your transaction i think you deserve a congratulations. i think you have scammed 1 person into depositing .01 bitcoins  ;D

anyway heres the address you're giving around 15cnvZM8BgE428ydKHHimWusU9dzFF2svg

and heres a sample password to an account
h"A&}_Pn:jW<

anyone can try it, no username required.

lets hope this will make btc-banker leave  ;)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 01:09:42 PM
ey someone deposited 5264 satoshis to your btc-banker address that you share to all newly created wallet.  ;D upon checking your transaction i think you deserve a congratulations. i think you have scammed 1 person into depositing .01 bitcoins  ;D

anyway heres the address you're giving around 15cnvZM8BgE428ydKHHimWusU9dzFF2svg

and heres a sample password to an account
h"A&}_Pn:jW<

anyone can try it, no username required.

lets hope this will make btc-banker leave  ;)
This was a scam? I have been entirely disillusioned. Didn't expect it at all (I lie, I expected it)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 01:44:34 PM
now i verified https://blockchain.info/address/15cnvZM8BgE428ydKHHimWusU9dzFF2svg
do you say we scammed you for 0.00005264 BTC = 0.023688 usd?
really? be serious please - nobody will scam and fuck his reputation for 23 cent !!!

+ as i see today somedoby spent another cents -who was that?>
169Eae7Pbww6m7ZzAXK1h4cr2pgzKmnngF 0.0051 BTC
1BLLHpsAdMvi2qKxnTvSTo49wsLS69bH5J 0.00038692 BTC

You, because you don't selectively scam, you try and scam everyone.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 20, 2014, 02:22:40 PM
now i verified https://blockchain.info/address/15cnvZM8BgE428ydKHHimWusU9dzFF2svg (https://blockchain.info/address/15cnvZM8BgE428ydKHHimWusU9dzFF2svg)
do you say we scammed you for 0.00005264 BTC = 0.023688 usd?
really? be serious please - nobody will scam and fuck his reputation for 23 cent !!!

+ as i see today somedoby spent another cents -who was that?>
169Eae7Pbww6m7ZzAXK1h4cr2pgzKmnngF 0.0051 BTC
1BLLHpsAdMvi2qKxnTvSTo49wsLS69bH5J 0.00038692 BTC

If you are legit Which you are NOT  You should act more professional. Telling people to kill themselves and throwing profanity all over your thread is not!
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #cfLetiYoKgtmAIz6


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
i think i had patiente enough with idiots .. if they call scam without any evidence, than what i should do, what i should say? they ruin our hard work with 2-3 words like this ...
and yes, sorry for my bad english, but we are in liechtenstein german language speaker.
No evidence? Except the people you have already scammed.



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 20, 2014, 02:41:03 PM
i think i had patiente enough with idiots .. if they call scam without any evidence, than what i should do, what i should say? they ruin our hard work with 2-3 words like this ...
and yes, sorry for my bad english, but we are in liechtenstein german language speaker.

Why don't you show us something that proves you guys are legit then? 3% interest rate is retarded. If I invest 100BTC at your interest rate, in 40 days I should have 220. That's quite retarded.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #55z7dpP3B9H6MiLb


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
1.i gave evidence that we are a legit registred investment company in Liechtenstein with long term bussines and activity with ecurrency.
2.the 3% profit is a promo, we have enough bitcoin to pay this profit rate some months, nobody promised 3% life long -benefit you how long we offer the 3%.
3. the bitcoins you store, you send to one of your btc-banker.com purse is not locked, you can send it any time to a other purse - so nobody can scam you ...
4. our evidence is real "5459 members with over 1560.5241538462 bitcoins are trusting us! New members and bitcoins deposited are counted instantly."
please try it and come back with a feedback - i mean open purse and send to this purse a small random amount = all will be counted instantly in the statistic
5.what else better evidence you ask us to prove that we are serious?


Give us some actual evidence. Also don't contradict yourself.

Point two and three cannot coexist, if you don't have access you can't give them funds.

Number four you have not proved, just said. Sign. A. Message.



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 07:52:29 PM
i will talk with our webdeveloper to add a online chat, so all new/old or possible user can say online his opinion
That can be faked.

Sign. A. Message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 07:58:06 PM
why you think so bad about all, about all people, why you think that all is fake, all is scam? in the online chat you can come and say your opinion, like you all other can come...
what kind of message you will have signed?
Sign a message from a bitcoin address with more than 30 btc, saying "I confirm this to be btc-banker.com"


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 20, 2014, 08:29:11 PM
i dont can sign our members bitcoin address, this address with money are not mine, but i can ask, i can send a internal message to some members with higher balance to do that...
This service is run by bitcoin millionaires and you have enough money to do 3% per day.

3% of 1000 bitcoins is 30 bitcoins.

You have 30 bitcoins which you can sign a message with.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 21, 2014, 12:39:11 PM
sure we have, i will talk with the financial to do that
Come on, doesn't take that long. Just sign a wee message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: percocet on May 21, 2014, 03:33:36 PM
And how exactly are you generating this 3% daily interest??


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 21, 2014, 03:44:31 PM
And how exactly are you generating this 3% daily interest??
They aren't, hence why we are calling this out as a scam.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 21, 2014, 03:46:59 PM
And how exactly are you generating this 3% daily interest??

We've already asked that, you won't get an answer...
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #DHtGVzQ6Ef2ZBHSY


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 21, 2014, 09:00:35 PM
I answered many time - the 3% is a promo, a bonus for our members - other companies paid tv promo or advertising in newspapers, etc - we can easy spend some hundred of btc for this 3% promo (our investment company was a early bitcoin investor)
Get them to sign a message from their address.

Come on, we all know you're bullshitting.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 22, 2014, 02:42:02 PM
"we"? - as I see only you think so - 5538 members with over 1601 btc think other, they trust btc-banker
No they don't because they are not real.

Send. Us. A. Signed. Message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 22, 2014, 06:40:02 PM
sure, the management will sign a message, can do only the owner of our corporate btc account.
"Corporate btc account"... lol.

Please, sign the message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 23, 2014, 03:21:31 PM
nobody will post any real review? please, i wait our members review

Thats because you have no real customers, because you are a scammer.

Still not seen that signed message have we?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 23, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
MrWDunne thank you to post all time in our thread, so all time the thread will be up.
your opinion mean nothing because you not come with concrete evidence - do you repeat a signed message.
show me a single transaction in wich we scammed a single user
(your username , real name is very tracable on the internet -our lawyer for sure will take some action against you)
Okay, here is my information for your lawyer.

William Dunne
Seaway,
Stoke Road,
Torquay.

Enjoy.

You are a scammer, everyone knows it. You promise high returns, without any evidence of how you are to do it. You can't even sign a message from an address with 30bitcoins, when you claim you hold 1600 btc. Let alone the fact that 30bitcoins is how much you would be paying in interest every single day.

Also, funny how no one has posted that they are using the service!

Heres some other people who have tested your scam:

ey someone deposited 5264 satoshis to your btc-banker address that you share to all newly created wallet.  ;D upon checking your transaction i think you deserve a congratulations. i think you have scammed 1 person into depositing .01 bitcoins  ;D

anyway heres the address you're giving around 15cnvZM8BgE428ydKHHimWusU9dzFF2svg

and heres a sample password to an account
h"A&}_Pn:jW<

anyone can try it, no username required.

lets hope this will make btc-banker leave  ;)

i checked the address that contained the 38435 satoshi. it already have 7 transactions. the last transaction was the withdrawal of those 38435 satoshis. u give out your address to trick people into depositing to your wallets = scam




Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: DebitMe on May 23, 2014, 05:21:07 PM
1. this member dont deposited any cent -he claimed that he "got free satoshi" conis - if you belive that ... you are very smart,(for sure you are very-very "smart") but for sure we dont scammed anybody for 0,020 usd !!!
2.now you are not smart, now you are a idiot -because we never claimed that we hold 1600 btc, you or cant read or cant understand - this is our members money, they dont send to our bitcoin account, we dont collect any cent.
3.thanks for your contact, for sure our lawyer will take some action agains you.

I believe that you would not scam for .02 USD, that would be stupid.  You will wait until there is more than that deposited to run away with it.

If anyone is thinking about depositing here (and based on the last 5 pages I doubt it as no one is providing a review of the service) I would caution against it.  This is a very evident scam as no one can pay that high returns.  It is just not possible, you will lose any money you send to his address.

DO NOT DEPOSIT (oh and feel free to send your "lawyers" after me.  Should be easy enough for you to trace to where I am I doubt I will have to give you my address)

DO NOT DEPOSIT!! IT WILL BE GONE!!


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 23, 2014, 05:43:53 PM

I believe that you would not scam for .02 USD, that would be stupid.  You will wait until there is more than that deposited to run away with it.

He is so incompetent, that he cannot even do that.



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 23, 2014, 05:45:35 PM
1. this member dont deposited any cent -he claimed that he "got free satoshi" conis - if you belive that ... you are very smart,(for sure you are very-very "smart") but for sure we dont scammed anybody for 0,020 usd !!!
2.now you are not smart, now you are a idiot -because we never claimed that we hold 1600 btc, you or cant read or cant understand - this is our members money, they dont send to our bitcoin account, we dont collect any cent.
3.thanks for your contact, for sure our lawyer will take some action agains you.
1) I think he did, as if in looking for free interest.

2) You claimed that there is 1600btc, that is what I meant. They sit on your bitcoind. Point about 30btc still stands regardless of if you hold some magical tech.

3) Cool, I look forward to it. (Clue, it won't happen)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 23, 2014, 07:23:20 PM
i still wait reply and opinion from members which use our services !
And I still wait on you signing a message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 25, 2014, 01:48:57 AM
And I still wait on you signing a message.

Bump
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #nnZNbc2OjgUs1Y7X


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on May 27, 2014, 08:16:55 PM
Bump

Meh, lets try this one more time.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #UupB3Zjg3u2IvMGE


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 27, 2014, 08:26:20 PM
Bump

Meh, lets try this one more time.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #UupB3Zjg3u2IvMGE
Almost like it is a scam!


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 30, 2014, 12:55:15 PM
for sure is not scam - only you say this shit
until now 6360 members with over 1799.2623076923 bitcoins are trusting us!
belive me if we had scammed a single user for sure was posted here in this forum (only you call all time scam ,because probable YOU are a scammer and a other member say that his "free" bitcoin disapeared, in value of 10 cent)- we are fully legit and we still pay the 3% daily promo profit !!!
Still no signed message

Still not one of your 6360 members have left a message here

Still no signed message

Still offering huge returns

Still no signed message

Still using awful English

Still no signed message

Oh, I still haven't received a letter from your lawyers. You may want to get them to hurry up with that one.

Can you ask them to include a signed message with the letter?

BTW, you've still not given us a signed message


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on May 30, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
and you still repeat same shit without any evidence ... is fine, no problem

Come on, where is the signed message you promised us? Surely you have the funds to provide even one days worth of that promotion?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 01, 2014, 12:45:19 AM
for sure we have ..but only a single staff member has access to this account, i messaged him again
bahahaha

What an odd company, bitcoin millionaires with over 1600 bitcoins stored and offering 3% interest per day but you can't even organize a message signing... sounds legit


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 01, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Its quite necessary. Everyone (correctly) thinks you're a joke


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: b!z on June 02, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
Sign a message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 02, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
"mr i know all" - you absolutly not understand the bitcoin system, all is independent, all is free - nobody has access to your bitcoins, the bitcoin addresses are generated deterministic , nobody can access your bitcoins, so nobody can scam is this case - because i repeat again: you transfer money to YOUR site bitcoin addresses. You DONT transfer any money to my btc address. The money is your, you can send it, transfer it any time - nobody can lock it. So, please dont talk shit about scam, anyway this discution is useless with you.

You're an idiot. Please describe the technology you use that means this is not a bitcoind client on your computer. Oh wait, you're too stupid to even do that, you just have 10 addresses you rotate for each user.

Well this is obviously not truth - I just quick checked that and addresses are always different. Gonna give it a try and then report results to community :)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 02, 2014, 02:42:56 PM
Sorry, just finished reading all of the posts and it's really fishy... not going to give it a try in the end.

It all sounded like it could be legit, but impossible to sign message with 30BTC address when saying you have 1600 - come on man. This should be like 5 minutes to do so.

Page looks good, but my coins are too precious to risk :) gl anyway


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on June 02, 2014, 02:45:29 PM
We called out this scam from the beginning :P
Just because the site looks half decent doesn't mean it's trustworthy.

Also, we'll never, ever, get a signed message from them...
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #IyKA5Xn23qFGlNAx


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 02, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
We called out this scam from the beginning :P
Just because the site looks half decent doesn't mean it's trustworthy.

Also, we'll never, ever, get a signed message from them...
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #IyKA5Xn23qFGlNAx
Literally, post #13 is me writing in big red letters "THIS IS A SCAM"


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 02, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
ondratra - we dont take our users bitcoin, you can ALL TIME send it to other, external btc address. (but, if your bitcoins are stored 24 hours on one of your btc-banker.com deterministic created address, you will recive a 3% profit for this money, for every day and this profit same can be withdrawed INSTANTLY)
yes, we have enough btc to pay the 3% daily profit as promo, but we pay this from our own btc money reserve
and yes, we are still alive, we still pay the 3% daily profit -and until now, nobody has come with evidence that we dont do what we promised.
Sign a message Just in case it wasn't clear enough


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 02, 2014, 10:26:29 PM
ondratra - we dont take our users bitcoin, you can ALL TIME send it to other, external btc address. (but, if your bitcoins are stored 24 hours on one of your btc-banker.com deterministic created address, you will recive a 3% profit for this money, for every day and this profit same can be withdrawed INSTANTLY)
yes, we have enough btc to pay the 3% daily profit as promo, but we pay this from our own btc money reserve
and yes, we are still alive, we still pay the 3% daily profit -and until now, nobody has come with evidence that we dont do what we promised.
Sign a message Just in case it wasn't clear enough


At least you got what I was saying :D


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Light on June 03, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
nobody has come with evidence that we dont do what we promised.

That's because no one has been stupid enough to fall for your SCAM. What your doing is considered to be economically unfeasible, so unless you are operating at a loss - your intention is to act like a ponzi and wait for a large amount of deposits to steal all the coins. Want to prove your not a scam? Please sign a message where you actually have BTC1800 as you claim. If you're legit it shouldn't be too hard - takes about 5 minutes. Else your just a scammer and a liar.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 03, 2014, 01:13:47 PM
as I said this not depend on me - for sure, when the staff will find this necessary, than will sign a message

So basicly this means - fuck clients, it depends on what staff wants. Thx for clarification :)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 03, 2014, 02:09:28 PM
as I said this not depend on me - for sure, when the staff will find this necessary, than will sign a message
Leave


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 03, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
ondratra -this mean that we have a another idiot in this thread- you
Sign a message


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 04, 2014, 12:13:08 AM
ondratra -this mean that we have a another idiot in this thread- you

It's exact opposite of what you are saying :) I am reasonable. You are not.

If you would be serious you would got some proof long time ago. You did not - you just act like regural troll and we are feeding you by wanting some logical proofs - and signing such message is zero-risk for you that takes no longer than one day even if you have some "staff" (as you call it) on other side of planet with exactly opposite day/night cycle than in your location. By this you could proof you are not lying all the time. But you failed to do so.

So not just this site is absolutely NOT-trustworthy by your behaviour, but also it proofes you are not in possesion of 30BTC (not even your personal as we couldn't see difference between your personal wallet and your business wallet).

And btw read this news http://www.coindesk.com/sec-eric-voorhees-deal-unauthorized-securities-sales/
and BEWARE because it seems that as BTC will be recognized as legal tender world wide there may actually be police of your state knocking on your door one day because it seems you are now trying to make FRAUD (and maybe some other illegal acts). Just saying for your own good as I really don't care about what happens to scammers.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 04, 2014, 09:58:56 AM
Light - another idiot: we never claimed that we hold 1800 btc, you or cant read or cant understand ??? - this is our members money, they dont send to our bitcoin account, we dont collect any cent.
we only pay the 3% daily profit as PROMO
Still requires you to have 30 BTC, although if you don't have your members coins in your wallet and you use the system you say you do, you wouldn't even know what address to send the bonus to.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Ngaio on June 04, 2014, 12:40:10 PM

Just because the site looks half decent doesn't mean it's trustworthy.


Very well said. Verifiable identification of the service provider and verifiable contact details are a minimum for trust.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 04, 2014, 12:59:13 PM

Just because the site looks half decent doesn't mean it's trustworthy.


Very well said. Verifiable identification of the service provider and verifiable contact details are a minimum for trust.
FTFY


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 04, 2014, 01:19:36 PM
Light - another idiot: we never claimed that we hold 1800 btc, you or cant read or cant understand ??? - this is our members money, they dont send to our bitcoin account, we dont collect any cent.
we only pay the 3% daily profit as PROMO

*FACEPALM*
I am rly starting to think this guy actually isn't scammer at all. Maybe it is just regular guy missing basic knowledge of math and half of brain...
He is saying the same nonsense over and over again.

In that case please see this wikipedia articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraction_(mathematics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month


I mean no offense, but this really became ridiculous. Better to leave this account and try a new scam.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
btc-banker:  

I have been around a long time here on these forums and you are, by far, the worst PR person I have ever seen.  You are far worse than MPOE-PR and that is really saying something.

Suggestions:

1) Get a new PR person that can handle being called a scammer without resorting to cussing, name calling, etc.  A PR person needs to have a very thick skin.  This new PR person MUST have total command of the English language.

2) Lock and abandon this thread.  Start a new one with the new PR person.

3) NEVER cuss.  ALWAYS capitalize the first person singular subject personal pronoun.  Make EVERY post totally professional, correctly spelled and well written.

4) This is a very technical forum.  No matter who you are there are people here that know more about Bitcoins, elliptical curve cryptography, keys, deterministic wallets, etc. than you do.  Your new PR person must be technically competent.  If they cannot handle or at least understand a trivial request to sign a message with an address that contains 30 BTC then how can they be expect to answer other more technical questions that must be answered in order to have a chance of success in this venture?

5) Since this is a highly technical forum the new PR person should ideally be one of the actual designers or developers of the software used on the web site or, at a minimum, have direct and timely contact with the developers in order to get technical questions answered quickly and accurately.

Why are you offering such an unreasonably high interest rate?  If your service is what it claims to be then there is no reason to spend so much on customer acquisition.  Also, once you get your initial customer base what is your business model? The most popular free hybrid wallet, blockchain.info, would be your direct competitor.  They make money on their mixing services.  How are you guys ever going to make a profit, especially given your very high initial customer acquisition expense?

You must be able to answer these simple economic questions in addition to the technical questions I will soon be asking you.

Despite your immature behavior, offensive language, and obvious lack of any technical knowledge I have decided to look into your service and maybe give it a try.  This is based on the fact that, so far, the web site does in fact appear to behave as I would expect a deterministic wallet to behave.  This shows that someone involved in the project, not you obviously, must be minimally technically competent.  

I will post my results and technical questions soon.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 06:39:33 PM
OK, I tried your web site and here is what I found and here are my first set of questions and requests:

I logged in with a simple password in order to see how the site works.  I used the password "PPT-PR1" (old timers will see the joke there) and got the following generated deterministic addresses:

1BWfPQ2KYyBexzvkXWTrqsre9xzbbTJVMb
1GXVnQkdMVawvJ6ZBwbNCk6h8Q6KKZjtrt
1FqfooZiWYFEKTzvRPpqdW1sE3zJYLfbeU
1C4u9dqJPX6GZVeiY6LP4eNDb1dAT8Zpjp
1HUBgD9asEEGJEiSksegV61pzgL54aRi87
1MMqH8ArjMBegB1WfXGrqyjEvBwyivDuhL
19fTwfPPkwJv1LdU3zsxB6i8bQzdZEHPoE
18urBLFR92FYqKwFZnYb7V1tcPiQrP4jnu
1Eqt3EEwPEQXni2xe9PkJjEufjzFhmKkno
1FP4qtzroxhJyBvvQQgqEizFdpeeJ6nFxp

I tried using "PPT-PR2" and got a different set of addresses, so far so good:

1Fxyi1B1ZJDE8FqoexwNCYbS6u4yGEZ3zy
1FwMHQWtx34gMrGDxnNTmwfjwrFFA5VtfT
1Dp35DxqnjpKxJCwALyBXawHjG33BSwKmH
13Atp9B1vD6wK8zWbWDRfnaqTxZxvWWS93
1Lp43RnouVMtoZp3BPwucB9pFA5aubBBrT
19rwUqepBexsWydRqneKe8C1uGCDynBejb
1AAmqfzwqicjyMqTKSpi3KuoaJfpUNzXpb
16gq7LCJVHusf2hVoUTD6bB3j8LueeQwMT
144wKBBqNZR3Mi1G2U33xPf93Z6utEu169
1LpZod26MfL6cCFXu6TrEypBY2w4Kgs6Lg

The results are repeatable.  In other words anyone else can log in with those passwords and get those addresses.

What is the exact algorithm you are using to convert the password (PPT-PR1 and PPT-PR2 in these cases) into the deterministic sequence of private/public key pairs?

Assuming you are doing this correctly all of the key pair generation must be done client side.  As a first step this script must be open sourced and available for examination.   Is all key pair generation done client side?  If not you are already dead in the water.

The most obvious gaping hole that needs to be filled here is for you to prove that the password never leaves the client.  If I get some spare time I will look into it but in the mean time what can you do to prove to us it does not?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 06:53:52 PM
Next, I used a real random password and got the following addresses:

1Euy5eERuvQKruwCKFPAVp4b3zceYGWPED
18CdWvazvpDnE9rkFPbfXWY5WnAriQKnHs
1M4QVFTsRzrMwzS2oDvb9QQPreDRo5e7Nq
197vv294WFKqwuR5DKuYf8TW35HGF257of
1AAxexhqc7LTYL7byWGky7oK9uzZ7a8VaT
1NciLKr4hfgYuUgSFjerLwfY1ABi4RXJj3
1DujvmjfQrrLozCjdoCS1MF4NCuUaS2S6A
1LyAYmSH13PA96CYnB33Sfjkq6NcM5rC32
19LahEBYhEHeEi4SmUqGvi1jnQzjzrH9rp
1FadVHYWno5ADEd7umSdW76RsA4o8N6ZzM

I sent 0.1 BTC to the first address and it arrived as you can see here:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Euy5eERuvQKruwCKFPAVp4b3zceYGWPED

Now for the big test.  I tried to send some of my BTC back to myself.  Oops, had to set a transaction password first.

Please explain the purpose and use of the transaction password in great technical detail.

Set a transaction password and tried to send.  Did not work.  Got the error message "No Response", tried again, still does not work.

Why can I not send my BTC out of my wallet?  Is this your revenue model? ;)

I cannot really go any furthure in my testing until this issues is resolved.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 07:06:13 PM
Well one mystery is somewhat partially solved.  One of their revenue streams is charging per transaction.  When I tried to send about half of my BTC back to myself the (unchangable) fee was displayed as follows:

Fee (Includes Miners Fee)
BTC 0.0005

They are charging 0.0004 BTC per transaction.

Why didn't you just tell us that up front?

The raw transaction (that did not work) shows the 0.0004 being paid back to them.  So, at least in part, they are trying to compete using the old https://www.strongcoin.com fee model.

Code:
{
    "hash": "795fe99a90989d1298734946e64d372f829ce0aac22e812ac05b62721889d22a",
    "ver": 1,
    "vin_sz": 1,
    "vout_sz": 3,
    "lock_time": 0,
    "size": 292,
    "in": [
        {
            "prev_out": {
                "hash": "d124bd24209763520756edb9ea39fb3adf38ca5f648904748b9b1b2a07b9d048",
                "n": "11"
            },
            "scriptSig": "3045022100e75232c03369180d633d1853396dbdcc2040cd03be9b077464189d43871ce4e702207106c2b003773dcc334741f4735be7553cbf0e713581b9b703970428fdd9a76401 0480fda9c34eb7c498b106758a466bee880e79d17ac5d1644f7649266f41b007b9ff214677b3312196c3829a3d93ca4037bef47cc5acf48a3a78b91af16752cde3"
        }
    ],
    "out": [
        {
            "value": "0.04950000",
            "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 bbb063b5b7921ba486fd270e565f8e283a56e629 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"
        },
        {
            "value": "0.00040000",
            "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 06bad1c6c8d1179222ab22cec15fd1dc4b82dc08 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"
        },
        {
            "value": "0.05000000",
            "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 989e1415b6d5dd40ac5443ad09a9ba384b2414e1 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"
        }
    ]
}



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
Tried again to send the BTC back to myself and, I'll be darned, it worked!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what was the issue?  Did you guys fix something?  Was your transaction processor down for a while?

OK we passed that test.  Here is the transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/795fe99a90989d1298734946e64d372f829ce0aac22e812ac05b62721889d22a

We can see the 0.0004 transaction charge was sent to here:

https://blockchain.info/address/1carbQXAt6aUcePdFcfS3Z8JNwMCMDb4V

So far they have collected 0.0848 BTC on 212 transaction (the math is correct!).  This is $54.32 at the current price.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
So far, nice product.  A few minor bugs but that is to be expected.  Now let's get into the meat of the matter.

Assuming my password never leaves the client and all key pair generation is done client side.  How do you guys know which Bitcoin addresses have been generated?   Obviously you will need to know this in order to track your number of customers and the number of BTC on deposit so you can pay the interest to them.

You need to answer that.

Moving on, assuming that you have figured out an honest way to do that, my next test is that I created another account using a new random password and put some BTC in one of the addresses.  I will report back tomorrow if I get paid the proper amount of interest on the account.

After depositing another 0.15 BTC to bring my total up to 0.2 BTC I will also expect to get about(?) 0.006 BTC on my public accounts posted above.  See my first two deterministic addresses (now 0.1 BTC each):

https://blockchain.info/address/1Euy5eERuvQKruwCKFPAVp4b3zceYGWPED
https://blockchain.info/address/18CdWvazvpDnE9rkFPbfXWY5WnAriQKnHs

Another couple of questions (that will be answered some time tomorrow) are:  how does the interest get paid? and how does the interest get calculated?  We shall see.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 09:04:27 PM
Nice to see you are still here.

You guys need to fix this to show your actual numbers, or take it down:
Quote
6594 members with over 1905.6817307692 bitcoins are trusting us!
6595 members with over 1905.7258461538 bitcoins are trusting us!
6597 members with over 1905.8140769231 bitcoins are trusting us!
6599 members with over 1931.8677884615 bitcoins are trusting us!
6608 members with over 1934.6846153846 bitcoins are trusting us!
6614 members with over 1935.9365384615 bitcoins are trusting us!
6981 members with over 1964.3635384615 bitcoins are trusting us!
Anyone can see it is totally fabricated.  If you are going to make up amounts of BTC then at least do it right.  It does not help you gain trust to use these fabricated numbers - it hurts you.  I highly suggest you remove it.

Yes, looking forward to seeing how the whole interest thing works tomorrow.

Please forward all of my questions and concerns to someone who is technically knowlegable, find out the answers to all of my questions (bolded so you can find them easily) and post the answers here.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 09:10:25 PM
I will answer now only what i know -the transactions password need to secure the account, because you have right "in other words anyone else can log in with those passwords and get those addresses"  - yes, can login but without your transactions password can only watch the coins on this addresses.
This answer does not satisfy me.  I need a more technical answer.  Please forward this question to your more technical people and get a more detailed answer.

3. tomorrow your 3% profit will be in a virtual "purse" and from here you will choose a btc address to which you withdraw this money instantly - this address can be one of your 10 deterministic created address or a other, external address, the withdrawal will be instant, you need only request. 
Makes sense. Will check back tomorrow.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 09:14:22 PM
4. the withdrawal will be made from one of our btc account - our company has many btc accounts, for sure we dont store all our coins in only 1 account,
the software choose, randomly i think one of our account, this account can contain very various amount of bitcoins, maybe from 0,10 btc up to 50 btc - thats why is useless signin message from this account and this is my answer now to MrWDunne, he called our service scam without to test it, only because the comany not signed a message.
Can't wait to see my interest, how much it is, where it comes from, etc.  I will tell me loads of information about your service.  I think I am done for today.  See you tomorrow.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 04, 2014, 09:15:21 PM
New members and bitcoins deposited are counted instantly. - that mean if you create a new account or you deposit a random amount this will be counted instantly in this statistic, try it.
I did.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 04, 2014, 10:33:20 PM
Request: Please leave the forum


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 04:29:59 AM
Got my full 0.006 BTC interest for today.  Transaction here:

https://blockchain.info/tx/829c2fc86154516f5183003f0d71deda20b4e7cd5849cdf442693d7c4789aca1

Coins came from here:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Mn6MsEbQZyXfAMQe6WYHS1mBuZmyNwXLk

Knock yourself out with taint analysis.  I found nothing that jumped out at me so far.

Obviously if they paid out 3% on the claimed 1934.6846153846 BTC on deposit they would have had to pay out:

1934.6846153846 x 3% = 58.040538461538 BTC @ $646 = $37,494.18 just for today.

Of course we already know the number of customers and the "amount trusted" are both just total bullshit.  Personally I am going to overlook this for now as it is really just a "sales gimmick" and is the least of our worries at the moment.

Conclusion so far:  It is impossible for this to be a classic Ponzi scheme.  The coins held in your deterministic wallet are under your control at all times.  They cannot use the coins on deposit to pay the interest.  If they moved the coins from your deterministic wallet it would show up in the blockchain.  Their sales department is lying about the number of customers and the amount they have on deposit but hey, that is what sales departments do.

I am now delving into their code to see if there are any security holes in it such as backdoor transmition of the private keys or the password/seed to the deterministic key pair chain.  By looking at their code I have already determined their algorithm for converting the password into the key pair chain.  So far it looks OK - just a lift from readily available open source code.

If you are interested:  https://www.btc-banker.com/extjs/electrum.js (https://www.btc-banker.com/extjs/electrum.js)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 05:04:01 AM
Hey, is anyone here a JavaScript expert?  I need help with something I am looking at.  I know Java like the back of my hand but JS is something else to muddle through.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 05, 2014, 11:46:46 AM
Because you are a scammer. His withdrawal did not work and he reported it so you re-enabled it.

You cannot even sign a message, and this fool is about to make an expensive mistake.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 05, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
all withdrawal work fine, instantly - he has not seted his transaction password for withdrawal, thats why not worked
maybe you are scammer, fucking idiot, only a scammer call all time scammer - very probable you scam and thats why you see scammer all time.
I see a scammer here because you offer 3% interest per day, lie about the numbers of users you have, can't even sign a fucking message from an address with 30BTC. Offer no idea of how you are going to make a profit (regardless of the fact that so far you claim to have given away 836 BTC)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 05, 2014, 12:00:16 PM
all this what you say are not your problem and no evidence for scam ... you only talk shit because u have nothing to do ...get a life !
This is painful.

Prove it, go on. Prove that anything you have said so far is true.

Sign a message.

You put a message up asking people to vouch, not one of your 1600 users did, even though this magical service is earning them 3% per day.

You just revealed that your systems send the Bitcoin, that means your customer addresses are accessible, and you could sign a message from them or empty them.

This whole thing is painfully obvious.

As for why I do this, I do this so other people don't get ripped off. You jackass.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 12:50:38 PM
thanks your fair analysis - hope today i will come back to you with the technical answers.

"Obviously if they paid out 3% on the claimed 1934.6846153846 BTC on deposit they would have had to pay out:
1934.6846153846 x 3% = 58.040538461538 BTC @ $646 = $37,494.18 just for today."

the statistic is real and we still need paid more more less daily for the 3% profit, and i explain you why:
the btc number is a total, a grand total - in this total is counted example if a member deposit daily 1 btc- but he withdraw the coin tomorrow and deposit it again, day by day, so if he send 30 time 1 btc in a moth to his btc-banker bitcoin address the statistic will show 30 btc in total but we pay only for 1 btc profit

Thank you for this response.

So, as I said, these number are in the best case very misleading or more likely total bullshit.  So, as I said, it should be fixed to show the actual amount currently on deposit and the current actual number of active accounts (something you would need to have access to in order to pay out the correct interest to the correct accounts) or be taken down.  So, as I said, these numbers do not help your case at all and, in fact, hurt your credibility.  So, as I said, it is a marketing ploy.  So, as I said, you guys really should remove it.  

I am glad we are all in total agreement with respect to these numbers.

But, as I said, I do not care about these two numbers as I have bigger fish to fry.

Still looking for a JavaScript expert to verify one thing for me before I post my findings from your code.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 01:24:27 PM
SCAMMER

My 0.1 BTC was moved off my "safe" deterministic address:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Euy5eERuvQKruwCKFPAVp4b3zceYGWPED

last night while I was asleep, see:

https://blockchain.info/tx/d48826b2515072a73f43c2515403fd96c8c252f6cc6e7018f151a0846000528a

The coins were moved here:

https://blockchain.info/address/17nz37jqtQsvVWoi2AKzhuNrkLhH4D2AtN

then here:

https://blockchain.info/address/17DNktmPsUAbD4pXcewGMHk9yQmJNZ2kUH

then mixed.

At just about the same time, 2014-06-05 10:25:22, my other 0.1 BTC were also moved:

https://blockchain.info/tx/859e9b8777641af8c889e4be8c280f0a8194368bf557d3b40331041a502fed0f

Coins are still here:

https://blockchain.info/address/19ZUbFwYEk67oLzUXYMnmjTda8qCzWWrHe

When they need them to pay interest to someone else they will move them and mix them from there.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 05, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
You deserved to get scammed.

The warning was in big red letters on page one. We explained several times as to why this service is a joke. He couldn't even sign a message or speak proper English.

I hate to say I told you so.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 01:31:14 PM
You deserved to get scammed.

The warning was in big red letters on page one. We explained several times as to why this service is a joke. He couldn't even sign a message or speak proper English.

I hate to say I told you so.
Get off your high horse.  I knew I was going to spend that money.  It was a service to all those people who were in doubt.  I can afford to spend 0.2 BTC that I bought at less than $2/BTC.  Your method of screaming works for some.  My method proves it to everyone.

Got anything to say for yourself there btc-banker?  At least come back and tell us how much you got in total so we can wonder at your hacker skillz.  We know you got my 0.2 BTC, was anyone else playing.

Or, he is gone not to return, either way we all win.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 05, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
You deserved to get scammed.

The warning was in big red letters on page one. We explained several times as to why this service is a joke. He couldn't even sign a message or speak proper English.

I hate to say I told you so.
Get off your high horse.  I knew I was going to spend that money.  It was a service to all those people who were in doubt.  I can afford to spend 0.2 BTC that I bought at less than $2/BTC.  Your method of screaming works for some.  My method proves it to everyone.

Got anything to say for yourself there btc-banker?  At least come back and tell us how much you got in total so we can wonder at your hacker skillz.  We know you got my 0.2 BTC, was anyone else playing.

Or, he is gone not to return, either way we all win.
True, you did do a service. Granted.

The grand total was 0.202BTC


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 02:50:43 PM
While researching the code of the btc-banker web site I found that almost all of the code was lifted from this web site:

http://carbonwallet.com/app/app.html

Which actually looks like a pretty nice site.  It does everything that the btc-banker web site does without the interest scam.  Check it out.  Does it look familiar or what?

The critical section of code, the one that creates the key pair sequence from the password or pass phrase looks like this on the original web site:

Code:
$('#open-sesame').click(function(){

  var seed = $('#password').val();
  seed = mn_decode(seed);
  Electrum.init(seed, function(r) {
      if(r % 20 == 0)
        $('#seed-progress').css('width', (r + 19) + '%');
    },
    function(privKey) {
      Electrum.gen(10, function(r) {
        WALLET.getKeys().push(new Bitcoin.ECKey(r[1]));
        if(WALLET.getKeys().length == 10)
          login_success();
      });
    }
  );
     
  return true;
})

Notice how it simply creates 10 key pairs.  However, on the btc-banker web site this function is highly modified:

Code:
$('#open-sesame').click(function(){

$.ajax({
url: 'api/login.php',
type: 'POST',
dataType: 'json',
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),
success: function(e)
{
w_id = e.id;
can_go = true;

if (e.unread > 0) {
$('#unread_count').html('('+e.unread+')')
}

if (e.mp == 1) {
$('[name=old_pass]').removeClass('hidden');
} else {
$('[name=old_pass]').addClass('hidden');
}

$.ajax({
url: 'api/commission.php',
type: 'POST',
dataType: 'json',
data: 'w='+w_id,
success: function(e)
{
$('#comm').html(e.comm);
withdraw_max = e.comm.replace(/0+$/,'');
withdraw_max = e.comm.replace(/\.+$/,'');
}
});

$.ajax({
url: 'api/withdraw.php',
type: 'POST',
data: 'w='+w_id,
success: function(e)
{
$('#withdraw').html(e);
$(document).on('click', '#withdraw_btn', function()
{
$('#withdrawModal').modal();
$('#withdrawAmmount').html(withdraw_max);
$('input[name=withdraw_amount]').val(withdraw_max);
})
}
});

$(document).on('click', '#withdrawBTC', function()
{
var wform = $(this).closest('form').serialize();
$.ajax({
url: 'api/withdraw.php',
type: 'POST',
data: wform,
success: function(e)
{
$('#withdraw').html(e);
}
});
})

$.ajax({
url: 'api/messages.php',
type: 'POST',
data: 'w='+w_id,
success: function(e)
{
$('#messages').html(e);
$(document).on('click', '.send_msg form button.submit', function()
{
var wform = $(this).closest('form').serialize();
$.ajax({
url: 'api/messages.php',
type: 'POST',
data: wform,
success: function(e)
{
$('#messages').html(e);
}
});
});
}
});

mn_words = e.seed;

var seed = $('#password').val();
seed = mn_decode(seed);

Electrum.init(seed, function(r) {
if(r % 20 == 0)
$('#seed-progress').css('width', (r + 19) + '%');
},
function(privKey) {
Electrum.gen(10, function(r) {
WALLET.getKeys().push(new Bitcoin.ECKey(r[1]));
if(WALLET.getKeys().length == 10)
login_success();
});
}
);
}
});

return true;
})


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 05, 2014, 02:54:20 PM
You deserved to get scammed.

The warning was in big red letters on page one. We explained several times as to why this service is a joke. He couldn't even sign a message or speak proper English.

I hate to say I told you so.
Get off your high horse.  I knew I was going to spend that money.  It was a service to all those people who were in doubt.  I can afford to spend 0.2 BTC that I bought at less than $2/BTC.  Your method of screaming works for some.  My method proves it to everyone.

Got anything to say for yourself there btc-banker?  At least come back and tell us how much you got in total so we can wonder at your hacker skillz.  We know you got my 0.2 BTC, was anyone else playing.

Or, he is gone not to return, either way we all win.

Please don't get so emotionally invested in things like this..


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 03:10:10 PM
My 0.1 BTC was moved off my "safe" deterministic address:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Euy5eERuvQKruwCKFPAVp4b3zceYGWPED

last night while I was asleep, see:

https://blockchain.info/tx/d48826b2515072a73f43c2515403fd96c8c252f6cc6e7018f151a0846000528a

The coins were moved here:

https://blockchain.info/address/17nz37jqtQsvVWoi2AKzhuNrkLhH4D2AtN

then here:

https://blockchain.info/address/17DNktmPsUAbD4pXcewGMHk9yQmJNZ2kUH

then mixed.

At just about the same time, 2014-06-05 10:25:22, my other 0.1 BTC were also moved:

https://blockchain.info/tx/859e9b8777641af8c889e4be8c280f0a8194368bf557d3b40331041a502fed0f

Coins are still here:

https://blockchain.info/address/19ZUbFwYEk67oLzUXYMnmjTda8qCzWWrHe

When they need them to pay interest to someone else they will move them and mix them from there.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
Please don't get so emotionally invested in things like this..

You don't know how much that means to us all coming from you.

BTW where are my BTC that got "hacked" from inputs.io?  Living high on the hog there?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 03:18:47 PM
BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins
You do have some balls I will give you that.

What is next for you?  Got any plans?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 03:30:10 PM
for sure is a non-sense to scam you for 0,2 btc - you was the single, until now who posted a analysis, a real opinion about btc-banker, after u really tried our services... is non-sense
You are right, you should not have taken my BTC.  You should have taken the BTC from someone else.  What is up with that?  Did someone over there make a mistake or something?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
no, nobody from btc-banker take any btc from our members, thats sure ... we make all legit, but as i see we have many hater, thats the life, no problem
we will be still here for our member and we will be forever 100% legit ...
Can anyone explain this small chunk of code to me:

Code:
	$('#open-sesame').click(function(){

$.ajax({
url: 'api/login.php',
type: 'POST',
dataType: 'json',
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),
success: function(e)
{

What, exactly, does this line do:

Code:
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),

Just curious.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
My BTC are gone.  Now, you are not going to answer any more questions.  I guess that is it then.  Good day.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: ondratra on June 05, 2014, 05:19:54 PM
no, nobody from btc-banker take any btc from our members, thats sure ... we make all legit, but as i see we have many hater, thats the life, no problem
we will be still here for our member and we will be forever 100% legit ...
Can anyone explain this small chunk of code to me:

Code:
	$('#open-sesame').click(function(){

$.ajax({
url: 'api/login.php',
type: 'POST',
dataType: 'json',
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),
success: function(e)
{

What, exactly, does this line do:

Code:
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),

Just curious.


First of all thx BurtW for rational stance to all of this. Me and MrWDunne tried to be rational too untill it seemed very fishy and btc-banker started being very unrational. For example avoided signing message with (very low for his claims) 30BTC wallet. We also noticed, that user counts are absolutely unreal.

This js just sends AJAX call to api/login.php with only one POST field 'passphrase' with value $('#password').val() - that is value of input field with id "password"  (input should look similiar to <input id="password" name="doesntMatter" value="someValueYouInserted">) - basicly there is no "only client side" calculation of wallet private/public keys.


On case of lost of your 0.1BTC - you have shared some passwords here on forum - is it possible you had your BTC on addresses with password published here on forum?

If any other js needs explanation I am here to investigate it (as senior web developer I understand JS, CoffeeScript, etc. very well).



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 06:09:19 PM
As I suspected this line shows them posting the actual password, the only thing that is necessary to recreate the entire public and private key sequence back to their server.  

On their server they can then calculate all 10 of the public keys and Bitcoin addresses they need to be able to pay interest.  

They can also spend any Bitcoins kept with them since they can also calculate the private keys from the password that they will have after this post command.

I did not share my password with anyone (well, except the btc-banker folks due to the above POST code).  

I used LastPass to create the random 20 character password Hzyi%JkWEc#xi65t#9^x

Check it out.  You can go to their web site and enter that for the password and you will get the 10 addresses:

Code:
1Euy5eERuvQKruwCKFPAVp4b3zceYGWPED
18CdWvazvpDnE9rkFPbfXWY5WnAriQKnHs
1M4QVFTsRzrMwzS2oDvb9QQPreDRo5e7Nq
197vv294WFKqwuR5DKuYf8TW35HGF257of
1AAxexhqc7LTYL7byWGky7oK9uzZ7a8VaT
1NciLKr4hfgYuUgSFjerLwfY1ABi4RXJj3
1DujvmjfQrrLozCjdoCS1MF4NCuUaS2S6A
1LyAYmSH13PA96CYnB33Sfjkq6NcM5rC32
19LahEBYhEHeEi4SmUqGvi1jnQzjzrH9rp
1FadVHYWno5ADEd7umSdW76RsA4o8N6ZzM

I only used the first two addresses.  All are empty now due to the "hack".  There is no way someone could have guessed the password Hzyi%JkWEc#xi65t#9^x

Only I and btc-banker knew the password.  I did not move the funds (I was asleep).  I conclude they moved them.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 05, 2014, 06:15:12 PM
BTW the 10 key pair sequence is actually calculated client side, that code they took from carbonwallet.  Here it is, directly from their client code:

Code:
var seed = $('#password').val();
seed = mn_decode(seed);

Electrum.init(seed, function(r) {
if(r % 20 == 0)
$('#seed-progress').css('width', (r + 19) + '%');
},
function(privKey) {
Electrum.gen(10, function(r) {
WALLET.getKeys().push(new Bitcoin.ECKey(r[1]));
if(WALLET.getKeys().length == 10)
login_success();
});
}
);

The problem is that they also transmit the password back to themselves, carbonwallet does not do that.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on June 05, 2014, 06:30:59 PM
Mr. Weiss, leave the forum. No need for your scam here.
Also, looks like fake Whois info on your domain?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 05, 2014, 11:43:34 PM
It is blatantly obvious that they are a scam. You are just giving them free bumps now.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on June 06, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
1.as i said all time scammer call scam - Free hugs! ♥ please check your rating "Trust: -464: -16 / +26(26) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! "
2. devthedev - i am not Mr. Weiss, he is one of our investment companys founder.
3. BurtW - again, for sure is a non-sense to scam you for 0,2 btc - you was the single, until now who posted a analysis, a real opinion about btc-banker, after u really tried our services... is non-sense, so for sure your coins was not lost from our part, i personally think that YOU sent it to other address, after you analised the code, without to wait my technical answer. Please be fair !
4.Although we have many hater here ,we are still here, we still pay the daily 3% promo profit and still no evidence that we scammed somebody. Be sure if we scammed our users, this forum will be full with negative review - but is NOT.

1. I think TF knows what the definition of a scammer is -_-
2. Sure
3. He's the only one that's given an analysis because he wanted to give solid evidence of the scam that this is. Nobody else has deposited.
4. You've only had the opportunity to scam one because he's the only one that's deposited...


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on June 06, 2014, 05:21:49 PM
devthedev 3- we have at least 450-500 ACTIVE member
4:   0,1 btc is today around 65 usd, probable the domain and hosting cost more, so non sense.

Do you have any proof of these members?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 06, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
3. BurtW - again, for sure is a non-sense to scam you for 0,2 btc - you was the single, until now who posted a analysis, a real opinion about btc-banker, after u really tried our services... is non-sense, so for sure your coins was not lost from our part, i personally think that YOU sent it to other address, after you analised the code, without to wait my technical answer. Please be fair !
I agree.  It makes no sense so I am very puzzled as to how or why my BTC were stolen.  Half of them (0.0999 BTC) are still just sitting here:

https://blockchain.info/address/19ZUbFwYEk67oLzUXYMnmjTda8qCzWWrHe

The other half have been laundered.

NONE OF THIS REALLY MATTERS.

Let's just put asside for the moment your 3% per day HYIP and the fact that I already actually lost my BTC, for whatever reason, and focus on one indisputable fact.

You have the private keys of every one of your customers (however many you actually have).

Due to this it is 100% certain that at some point in the future your system will lose a huge number of your customer's Bitcoins either to an external hack or an internal "hack".

The old timers around here have seen this dozens of times.  It is so common we have a name for it.  We call it the "sorry we got hacked" exit strategy.  Trade Fortress (Free Hugs) can tell you all about it.

Until your code is fixed (and many other things change) I cannot even begin to imagine the possibility of using, let alone recommending, your service.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 06, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
Why are you even here on this forum?  Why waste your time?  Even with not one single deposit from the people on these forums, at your current growth rate, in a few months every single person who has any Bitcoins will be your customer:

Quote
6594 members with over 1905.6817307692 bitcoins are trusting us!
6595 members with over 1905.7258461538 bitcoins are trusting us!
6597 members with over 1905.8140769231 bitcoins are trusting us!
6599 members with over 1931.8677884615 bitcoins are trusting us!
...
6608 members with over 1934.6846153846 bitcoins are trusting us!
6614 members with over 1935.9365384615 bitcoins are trusting us!
6981 members with over 1964.3635384615 bitcoins are trusting us!
...
7049 members with over 2003.5093846154 bitcoins are trusting us!
7052 members with over 2003.7389038462 bitcoins are trusting us!
7052 members with over 2003.7848076923 bitcoins are trusting us!
...
7091 members with over 2034.4256846154 bitcoins are trusting us!
7092 members with over 2034.5648269231 bitcoins are trusting us!
7092 members with over 2034.6112076923 bitcoins are trusting us!

That is not fast enough for you?  Do you really have the infrastructure (servers, personel) to handle a higher growth rate than is shown on the statistics from your web site?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 07, 2014, 06:00:24 PM
-as i said we are a liechtenstein real investment company - our company work daily with millions of real money, for sure dont need to scam our members.
(you can check in the liechtenstein company register)
liechtenstein is a small country, but very rich country with big banks and big investment companies, not under europe and not under usa regulation !!!
-you said it - we cant be hyip, because your money is under your control - if we send it, you will see it ------- and until now NOBODY posted here in this thread about lost or stolen money (expect somebody called lost 0,002 "free satoshi" coins and you - belive me if we scam our member this thread will be full with negative post)
-very probable that we have members from this forum too - idk really why they dont will post proof or review here, we can do nothing, if they dont will, than that's...
-why i waste my time? because i am real, i am not scammer and i dont will run away from this forum after i started this thread - although now is not very favorable for btc-banker i will demonstrate in time that i had right !

Here is a good question for you.

What is in this for your company, running a free wallet service where you give away money.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 07, 2014, 07:16:35 PM
for sure the company has a long term money earning strategy - and this is not the scam, as i know they will add in futhure other services, like exchange, escrow, games, etc.
Not worth the hundreds of BTC you say you've given out so far.

The bullshit can be smelt from space


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 07, 2014, 08:17:27 PM
this is your opinion , probable for you dont worth... for other worth
What does that even say?

Also, how can your company afford 500BTC but not a translator.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 08, 2014, 02:17:48 PM
i explained many time - is not 500 btc is more less and same i explained many time is not about a translator, i started this thread -although now is not very favorable for btc-banker i need continue this thread to demonstrate in time that i had right, we are a serious copmany!
Its actually well over 500btc now. Its over 600 btc. You don't math good.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on June 08, 2014, 03:33:42 PM
btc-banker, you sir. Are full of crap.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: onemorebtc on June 08, 2014, 09:05:18 PM
thanks, no problem - is your opinion, but we still pay the 3% daily promo profit

please:

 - show a tx where you paid the interest (and proof the sender is you)
 - sign a message with an address holding some btc
 - explain why you modifed the opensource-code you use to be less secure (by sending the password to you)
 - explain why you said that you dont have access to user funds? its proven that you have access


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: devthedev on June 08, 2014, 10:04:06 PM
thanks, no problem - is your opinion, but we still pay the 3% daily promo profit

please:

 - show a tx where you paid the interest (and proof the sender is you)
 - sign a message with an address holding some btc
 - explain why you modifed the opensource-code you use to be less secure (by sending the password to you)
 - explain why you said that you dont have access to user funds? its proven that you have access

We've been asking these questions for pages now... He won't give any substantial answers to them. All we can do is mark this dude with negative trust unfortunately. 


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 08, 2014, 10:09:59 PM
thanks, no problem - is your opinion, but we still pay the 3% daily promo profit

please:

 - show a tx where you paid the interest (and proof the sender is you)
 - sign a message with an address holding some btc
 - explain why you modifed the opensource-code you use to be less secure (by sending the password to you)
 - explain why you said that you dont have access to user funds? its proven that you have access

We've been asking these questions for pages now... He won't give any substantial answers to them. All we can do is mark this dude with negative trust unfortunately. 
Me and you are the only ones to have done that.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 09, 2014, 08:31:52 PM
exactly, other 7173 member trust our services -thanks them
Have one of your 7K+ members who is a trusted member of this forum come here and tell us all about it.  Out of over 7,000 members surely at least one of them is a trusted member of this forum.

Next technical question:  how do you keep all of your customer's private keys safe?  What security measures do you have in place to make sure that all of your 7,000+ customers don't get all their private keys stolen in a massive "hack" of your system?

You say you are a legit business, so, who can I call to talk to to get all of my technical questions answered?  What is your phone number?  I looked up your business on line and cannot find anything about it anywhere except the two very small business listing you provided.  A legit investment company would have a much larger and more legit internet footprint.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 10, 2014, 08:46:23 PM
yes, hope somabody from this forum, trusted member will post a review
all our phone number work fine, please call us
They wont, because you are a scam


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 11, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 11:14:51 AM
MrWDunne - you and your mother is scam + u are a big-big idiot, i said you many time !

Ur mum m8

Sign a message.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 11, 2014, 02:59:41 PM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!
And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf.

btc-banker has the private keys of every customer victim.

/thread


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Ufonautas on June 11, 2014, 06:06:27 PM
Owner of such big company is insulting mothers. Nice  ;D


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!
And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf.

btc-banker has the private keys of every customer victim.

/thread
Also TF was trolling.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 06:15:55 PM
Ufonautas - another idiot, i am not the owner, i stated that at least 2 time in this thread
and yes, some member need to be insulted...
This is hilarious


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 11, 2014, 06:24:26 PM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!
And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf.

btc-banker has the private keys of every customer victim.

/thread
Also TF was trolling.
As I said:  "And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf" == TF is not a trusted member.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 06:25:20 PM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!
And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf.

btc-banker has the private keys of every customer victim.

/thread
Also TF was trolling.
As I said:  "And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf" == TF is not a trusted member.

I know that, my point was more that he was joking. Obviously he isn't trusted but it wasn't a real vouch either way. It was sarcasm


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 11, 2014, 06:35:57 PM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!
And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf.

btc-banker has the private keys of every customer victim.

/thread
Also TF was trolling.
As I said:  "And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf" == TF is not a trusted member.

I know that, my point was more that he was joking. Obviously he isn't trusted but it wasn't a real vouch either way. It was sarcasm
We are in violent agreement.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
I have more than 50 btc here and get interest every day without issue!
And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf.

btc-banker has the private keys of every customer victim.

/thread
Also TF was trolling.
As I said:  "And still, no trusted member comes forth on btc-bankers behalf" == TF is not a trusted member.

I know that, my point was more that he was joking. Obviously he isn't trusted but it wasn't a real vouch either way. It was sarcasm
We are in violent agreement.
I agree with you aggressively


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Ufonautas on June 11, 2014, 08:02:46 PM
Im sorry, since this topic is useless (since its an obvious scam)
may i ask how Free Hugs managed to get -463 reputation? Holy shit he had to scam hard?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
Im sorry, since this topic is useless (since its an obvious scam)
may i ask how Free Hugs managed to get -463 reputation? Holy shit he had to scam hard?
Several of his services were "hacked" leading to the loss of well over 4000 (4000 was just one service) bitcoins being lost.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 11, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
Personally, I had a few BTC on one of his services called inputs.io.  He did refund a majority of the BTC.  IIRC I had maybe 2 there and got back maybe 1.37 or something like that.  So this indicates that maybe he was not a scammer because why would a scammer pay back any of the BTC?  All water under the bridge.  I learned a long time ago (when I lost over 10,000 BTC to a scammer) not to trust anyone with my private keys.  Hence my participation in this thread since the owner of the web site will end up with every private key of every customer/victim.

On another note there are many here among us that are not quite sure if the current account holder of the TradeFortress/FreeHugs account is really the original owner.  The bitcointalk account may have been sold.  It is so hard to say but many have looked at the posting pattern and language pattens and wonder about it.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 11, 2014, 09:09:05 PM
I had maybe 2 there and got back maybe 1.37 or something like that.  So this indicates that maybe he was not a scammer because why would a scammer pay back

The fact that you said this demonstrates why.

Pay back 70% of 4000+ BTC and then run away. Enjoy a huge profit. with a lot of people thinking you're not a scammer.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Hippie Tech on June 12, 2014, 04:48:03 PM
More people will see your trust ratings if you add 'default trust' to you trusted list. eg. The op's profile is showing zeros..

F U TF. :P


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: kuverty on June 12, 2014, 04:52:48 PM
Thank you for "bringing light and happy on my face" bitcoinbanker  ;D

We all know bankers are to be trusted, right, let's all send our money now and enjoy 3 % daily profits. Put in one bitcoin today and get 48000 BTC after a year. Now that's a banker who knows his shit, a scammer could never reach such profits!

OP has good arguments, "we are very profitable because we make a lot of profit". And as a banker he is good with arithmetic, 3 % per day calculated daily will make more than 90 % montly; that's pretty close to the actual 143 % profit.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: kuverty on June 12, 2014, 09:01:50 PM
many hater here but our statistic say all:

7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!

and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit


Yes and I have 10 thousand bitcoins that I got from Santa Claus.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: MrWDunne on June 12, 2014, 10:41:44 PM
many hater here but our statistic say all:

7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!

and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit


Yet still can't sign a message from an address with 30 BTC


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 12, 2014, 10:54:40 PM
many hater here but our statistic say all:

7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!

and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit

So, you collected the private keys of 7305 members.  Be sure to keep them safe!  I see a "hack" in your future.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: kittucrypt on June 12, 2014, 11:20:26 PM
many hater here but our statistic say all:

7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!

and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit


I have 73050 members with over 21756.22576931 bitcoins trusting me!

Got any proof "Gordon Gekko"?



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Ufonautas on June 13, 2014, 07:29:46 PM
for sure we have proof, our fully satisifed customer - which other proof you need?


Lets say you know a way to make millions and want us to believe you

Do this:
Rent a whole school for one day to teach you
A) Better english, because i wouldn't be "satisfed" with a banker who can't spell
B) Talking with people. Noone let's you call others idiots. Call idiot one more innocent person, and i will personally take down your server.


Or simply sign a message


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Hippie Tech on June 14, 2014, 02:57:25 AM
Is the OP a tradefortress sock ?

Come out of your hole SCAMMER ! :)


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: kittucrypt on June 14, 2014, 04:47:05 AM
for sure we have proof, our fully satisifed customer - which other proof you need?

Show us the money!!!! Your claims are as if a white man claiming to be President Obama!


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Ufonautas on June 14, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
Ufonautas - big idiot, take down your mother
Hippie Tech - scammer is your mother

we still pay the daily promo profit

Mister, Abraham Weiss, you have one day to say sorry.

If you lost your funds - +423789776207 Call him.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: tvbcof on June 14, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
Personally, I had a few BTC on one of his services called inputs.io.  He did refund a majority of the BTC.  IIRC I had maybe 2 there and got back maybe 1.37 or something like that.  So this indicates that maybe he was not a scammer because why would a scammer pay back any of the BTC?

I've been observing Bitcoinian scammers for some years now.  Very rarely are they stupid people.  It seems that the common calculus for them is to factor in the refund percentage among other market timing details.  The difference between ripping off 2,500 BTC vs. ripping off 25% of 10k is zero.  This makes all the sense in the world.  A very real problem when ripping someone off is that they'll be pissed and cause problems.  By refunding some BTC (especially to select individuals when practicable), and pretending to refund even more until victims short attention spans draw them away, one can mitigate the potential hassles caused by an angry victim.  It is even possible to convert an angry and threatening victim into a semi-supporter in fact!

All water under the bridge.

I rest my case.



Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: Hippie Tech on June 14, 2014, 11:03:03 PM
nobody can say that we scammed a single cent, because we still pay the 3% daily profit - although we have here many hater, they come with a lot of negative argument

With TF on your side... you appear to be guilty by association.

Ufonautas - big idiot, take down your mother
Hippie Tech - scammer is your mother

we still pay the daily promo profit

and... a teenager named TF. :P


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: BurtW on June 15, 2014, 12:20:28 PM
nobody can say that we scammed a single cent

I have and here I will do it again:  "You are a scammer".

You collect the private keys of every one of your customers.  Here is the proof, directly from your code:

Code:
	$('#open-sesame').click(function(){

$.ajax({
url: 'api/login.php',
type: 'POST',
dataType: 'json',
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),
success: function(e)
{

Specifically this line:

Code:
data: 'passphrase='+$('#password').val(),

I have proved you are a scammer.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 16, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
Also TF was trolling ...

How do you know I am trolling? Over 2279.4275673077 BTC are deposited!! I'm sure there is a 50 BTC depositor in there, right? Or do you simply have no deposits?


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: armin22 on June 16, 2014, 03:57:23 AM
Also TF was trolling ...

How do you know I am trolling? Over 2279.4275673077 BTC are deposited!! I'm sure there is a 50 BTC depositor in there, right? Or do you simply have no deposits?


tradefortress bby gimme a hug <3

Fight scammer with scammer.


Title: Re: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
Post by: tspacepilot on June 20, 2014, 03:35:56 AM
Also TF was trolling ...

How do you know I am trolling? Over 2279.4275673077 BTC are deposited!! I'm sure there is a 50 BTC depositor in there, right? Or do you simply have no deposits?

Actually TF, there's no such thing as 0.000000007 BTC, that amount is not defined in the current implementation of bitcoin.