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Title: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: the founder on January 30, 2012, 08:17:25 PM
Evidently the CIA has been recently ‘paying spooks’ with bitcoin. We all know that Gavin had a presentation on bitcoin in June of 2011 at CIA headquarters.

I know Gavin, I met him in the New York City bitcoin conference. We spoke briefly however didn’t discuss this topic.

That part was fully disclosed.

However the recent stability of bitcoin pricing might not actually be all speculators and private investors.

http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=8341



Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: ZodiacDragon84 on January 30, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
this has trollbait written allover it ;)


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: the founder on January 30, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
you put 2 + 2 together and tell me what it adds up to.

1 - CIA expressed interest in Bitcoin, inviting developers to speak at their headquarters.
2 - Freaking anyone would love to take credit for inventing this technology,  but "Satoshi" remains autonomous.

You tell me.






Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: ZodiacDragon84 on January 30, 2012, 08:29:33 PM
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have come to expect this kind of behaviour from my government. I'm just curious as to what other comments will follow mine...lol


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: kgo on January 30, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
There isn't a single line in the article that even points to any facts that the CIA is doing this.  No evidence.  Not even an anonymous source.  The title should be "CIA could possibly maybe be paying spooks with bitcoin".  The current title is a flat-out lie, given the content of the actual article.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Portnoy on January 30, 2012, 08:36:02 PM
I think there is a lot greater potential with bitcoin to keep governments from being able to fund wars.  

Yes it is always a problem that when you give people greater freedom that "bad" people will be able
to do "bad" things easier.  But that is never an excuse to deny basic freedoms to everyone.  


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: the founder on January 30, 2012, 08:40:40 PM
There isn't a single line in the article that even points to any facts that the CIA is doing this.  No evidence.  Not even an anonymous source.  The title should be "CIA could possibly maybe be paying spooks with bitcoin".  The current title is a flat-out lie, given the content of the actual article.

I have to disagree,  right off the bat it circles directly to this forum regarding Gavin heading to the CIA....  then it again alludes to why Satoshi never made "himself" public after inventing the technology.



Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Steve on January 30, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
The article claims that the following was said in an un-cited forum somewhere: "want to know if we are going to war with Iran, watch the block chain"

That seems to be the only evidence they have that the CIA is paying people with bitcoin.  This is what you call an "echo chamber."


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: foggyb on January 30, 2012, 10:27:29 PM

I have to disagree,  right off the bat it circles directly to this forum regarding Gavin heading to the CIA....  then it again alludes to why Satoshi never made "himself" public after inventing the technology.


I'll go with the most logical explanation: Satoshi has never been seen or heard from because he does not exist.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Littleshop on January 30, 2012, 10:35:54 PM

I have to disagree,  right off the bat it circles directly to this forum regarding Gavin heading to the CIA....  then it again alludes to why Satoshi never made "himself" public after inventing the technology.


I'll go with the most logical explanation: Satoshi has never been seen or heard from because he does not exist.

So one person with the smarts to make bitcoin could not 'disappear'?  He has indeed done a great job of not making tracks in the first place.  But I can not say it would be impossible to go online anonymously for the time he did.  Even mybitcoin.com did it, and basically left no firm tracks and people have a financial reason to look for him. 


Satoshi has not committed any crimes nor has he wronged anyone.  This makes it a lot easier to 'disappear'. 


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Gabi on January 30, 2012, 10:43:56 PM
Satoshi still doesn't exist, it's a AI that will appear only in the future and will be created thanks to bitcoins. And then it will go back in the time to invent bitcoin.
Something seems wrong? Oh c'mon, time travel doesn't require logic!


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Portnoy on January 30, 2012, 10:45:37 PM
I just watched the documentary Thrive and I think that Satoshi must be an alien!    :o

Does the bitcoin network have any properties that could be related to the shape of a
torus?   ;D

j/k

That doc should make bitcoiners happy since it suggests people, to help wake up and
free themselves, to start using alternatives currencies, among other things.    


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: kgo on January 30, 2012, 11:04:43 PM

I have to disagree,  right off the bat it circles directly to this forum regarding Gavin heading to the CIA....  then it again alludes to why Satoshi never made "himself" public after inventing the technology.



Neither one of these tidbits are facts, and neither remotely constitutes any proof that the CIA uses bitcoin.

At best, the random people involved in the CIA thread are spouting (completely uninformed) speculation and hearsay.

Allusions that Satoishi is actually the CIA are specifically that.  Allusions.  And if it was true, than there wouldn't really be any point in Gavin giving a presentation on bitcoin to it's actual creators, invalidating any of the above hearsay.  (Should we get all conspiratorial about it and say that the CIA invited Gavin to provide plausible deniability that they had any prior knowledge of bitcoins?)

There isn't a single verifiable fact in the article that indicates the CIA is paying spooks in bitcoins.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: interlagos on January 30, 2012, 11:43:02 PM
I just watched the documentary Thrive and I think that Satoshi must be an alien!    :o

Does the bitcoin network have any properties that could be related to the shape of a
torus?   ;D

j/k

That doc should make bitcoiners happy since it suggests people, to help wake up and
free themselves, to start using alternatives currencies, among other things.    


Bitcoin was planned by aliens long before we even dreamed about things like that.
Here is the video recorded before 2005 and posted on youtube in 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQp7Or1GNU
Just pick up the key words from the first half and put 2+2 together.




Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: RaggedMonk on January 30, 2012, 11:53:17 PM

I have to disagree,  right off the bat it circles directly to this forum regarding Gavin heading to the CIA....  then it again alludes to why Satoshi never made "himself" public after inventing the technology.



Neither one of these tidbits are facts, and neither remotely constitutes any proof that the CIA uses bitcoin.

At best, the random people involved in the CIA thread are spouting (completely uninformed) speculation and hearsay.

Allusions that Satoishi is actually the CIA are specifically that.  Allusions.  And if it was true, than there wouldn't really be any point in Gavin giving a presentation on bitcoin to it's actual creators, invalidating any of the above hearsay.  (Should we get all conspiratorial about it and say that the CIA invited Gavin to provide plausible deniability that they had any prior knowledge of bitcoins?)

There isn't a single verifiable fact in the article that indicates the CIA is paying spooks in bitcoins.

I would say this article is proof... that tin foil hat-types are drawn to use bitcoin. ;D


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: herzmeister on January 31, 2012, 12:13:10 AM
CIA? Spooks? Iran? I feel used and dirty now  >:(


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: RandyFolds on January 31, 2012, 12:54:31 AM
Another retarded tinfoil hat conspiracy theory brought to you by 'the founder'...


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: cbeast on January 31, 2012, 01:39:05 AM
Another retarded tinfoil hat conspiracy theory brought to you by 'the founder'...
That's just what they want you to think.  ;D


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: arepo on January 31, 2012, 01:46:35 AM
ITT: sheer, absolute idiocy

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp144/Jayzon666/facepalm_through_head.jpg


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: djinfected on January 31, 2012, 03:09:45 AM
Hypothesis: Satoshi was convinced bitcoin would become illegal and didn't want to end up like Megaupload's CEO.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: cbeast on January 31, 2012, 03:13:28 AM
Hypothesis: Satoshi was convinced bitcoin would become illegal and didn't want to end up like Megaupload's CEO.
Don't forget Julian Assange.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: chsados on February 03, 2012, 07:01:08 PM
I just watched the documentary Thrive and I think that Satoshi must be an alien!    :o

Does the bitcoin network have any properties that could be related to the shape of a
torus?   ;D

j/k

That doc should make bitcoiners happy since it suggests people, to help wake up and
free themselves, to start using alternatives currencies, among other things.    


Bitcoin was planned by aliens long before we even dreamed about things like that.
Here is the video recorded before 2005 and posted on youtube in 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQp7Or1GNU
Just pick up the key words from the first half and put 2+2 together.


I hope you are joking....this guy is an alien reptilian believer lol....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8ROj-HvVo&feature=related


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: RandyFolds on February 03, 2012, 07:15:46 PM
I just watched the documentary Thrive and I think that Satoshi must be an alien!    :o

Does the bitcoin network have any properties that could be related to the shape of a
torus?   ;D

j/k

That doc should make bitcoiners happy since it suggests people, to help wake up and
free themselves, to start using alternatives currencies, among other things.    


Bitcoin was planned by aliens long before we even dreamed about things like that.
Here is the video recorded before 2005 and posted on youtube in 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQp7Or1GNU
Just pick up the key words from the first half and put 2+2 together.


I hope you are joking....this guy is an alien reptilian believer lol....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8ROj-HvVo&feature=related

Are you saying you don't believe in the lizard people? Have fun dying with all the other sheep when zombie/lizard apocalypse comes.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: RodeoX on February 03, 2012, 07:51:22 PM
Sorry but the evidence that this is true is the same as the evidence that dinosaurs are using bitcoin to stage a comeback.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Raize on February 03, 2012, 08:32:38 PM
Sorry but the evidence that this is true is the same as the evidence that dinosaurs are using bitcoin to stage a comeback.

Not to mention I am the originator of any talk about the CIA using Bitcoin for field agents (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.msg97439#msg97439), and I don't care if they are. It's a viable method and one we should support.

The idea that governments shouldn't be using Bitcoin is absurd if we really want worldwide adoption.

EDIT: (3/14/2013) I still think this is a good idea. I know a lot of people probably ignored my original post, but this kook didn't. That said, just as with TOR, there is a very real benefit in intelligence agencies using Bitcoin to perform their operations. I'm not a CIA shill, I frankly don't care what they do, but Bitcoin is Bitcoin, we want everyone using it that wants a pseudonymous currency, from the small time nobody to the big time agency.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: Gabi on February 03, 2012, 08:52:51 PM
Sorry but the evidence that this is true is the same as the evidence that dinosaurs are using bitcoin to stage a comeback.
Piloting jets?  :o

http://www.wolfgnards.com/media/blogs/photos/miscellaneous/T-Rex-Jet.jpg


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: 72289 on February 03, 2012, 09:34:10 PM
It was the men in black. Obviously.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: kais3r on February 03, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Wild speculations without any proof.


Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: RandyFolds on February 03, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wild speculations without any proof.

What are you talking about? No proof? As if a photo isn't enough...



Title: Re: CIA "paying spooks" with bitcoin
Post by: JusticeForYou on February 04, 2012, 12:08:37 AM
ah...


The proof is THAT there is no proof. duh...

If there was proof, I want some of my tax dollars back for them sucking so bad.

On the other hand: Paying spooks with BitCoin is a terrible idea so they just might be doing it.