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I mean, most of the well paying sig campaigns restrict their offers to members and upwards. Wouldn't a new campaign that would make it possible for newbies and jr.members for a lot less btc/post be profitable for them?

In the end what matters is that their site gets seen on the forums, so what is it that restricts everyone from offering these services to jr.members and newer ones? If I had a campaign I would offer it to only those at the moment cause there are many of those on these forums and most can't use a sig just cause they are under the limit of activity.

But then again, maybe they can't even put the sig up under their account because of their activity, I'm not sure.

What do you think?

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

Newbies can't even have links in their signatures and it's newbs that tend to do most of the spam/low-quality posts. If I was running a signature deal I'd limit it to Full Members and above only as the signatures are just too small to be that effective really. And lower ranked forum members can take part in the Bitcoin Scratchticket signature deal with referral links. You don't get much but it's better than nothing.

Yupp. Newbie cant have links, and can only write very limited characters. I think those text doesn't even comfortable to see :)

I'm not sure if you remember but way back (like 6+ months ago) all member types (IIRC) were allowed the same settings for a signature so campaigns did not discriminate against what type of user you were. The whole point of the introduction of differing tiers was so that to be able to earn anything they would have to reach Member status and if they spammed they'd have to start all over again - thus disincentivising spamming as it would take a while to reach there again.

Not to mention, that I don't think Newbies are allowed links and Jrs signatures are tiny and somewhat hard to see (which is the point). 

Maybe not.  I've seen some newbies post some pretty good posts.  Plus, the forum restricts their number of posts per x... like every 360 seconds :)

We were all newbies at one point and there are always exceptions, but it was the signal to noise ratio of newbies signing up just to take advantage and partake in the signature deals. I think the new restrictions are a good idea, and hopefully the recent bans will gently encourage people to keep the content of their posts up and everyone will be better off and benefit from it.

I know that not all of them are bad. And yes, the limit helps, but you can still spam with a 6 minute limit.

If you want to spam you will be spamming no matter what. But I think current system is a good one I don't know how we could change it to be even better.
PS. This thread should be in meta not in Services imo.

It doesn't belong in Meta as it's not directly to do with the forum, but nor is it a direct service, so I think maybe Service Discussion, but it's unique in that it's discussing several services rather than a specific one, so maybe it doesn't belong there either  ;D. I'm sure a mod will move it soon enough if it's in the wrong section though.

Not all Newbies have this restriction , you have to wait 360 seconds only till you get 16 activity from It the wait time decreases a lot, there Is table somewhere with Activity vs wait time.

Newbie's have to learn how everything works first, and then they can place posts which are not full of BS, also, I think Bitcoin should be about "doing something" to earn, nothing comes at ease here is what I'm trying to say.

I think there used to be some for jr members. I think it would be good for jr members, but for newbies you can create endless accounts.

As a newbie myself I believe the system as it is works very well. I understand that if I contribute to the forum constructively then eventually I will be able to access greater and greater rewards as my experience with Bitcoin and the forum grows. This makes perfect sense to me.

Hello,
You are absolutely right! The forum is getting crowded with newvies who are posting meanless things all over here and also trying to scam people who dodnt know some basic things
BR

And also if it was like this, what stops each one of us to open several accounts and spam?

I think it is quite to the contrary.

Most signature campaign owners want their brand name to be spammed.

All of the campaigns that offer to pay per post want that.
They have rules against extremely short posts ,just to make the public see some integrity.
I don't think there is any real way you can post 3000 posts per month , without spamming.

Newbies though cannot have links or even coloring , hence no advertisers want to hire them.
Jr. Members can use only links but have a character limit , hence most signatures don't fit.

Many campaigns hire Jr.Members anyways , but if you are a Newbie , it is impossible.

I don't think they want it spammed. Yes, some people do spam it, but not all. I'm guessing they just want their brand name well known. Not exactly spammed. Why would they want it spammed when signature deals like PD have a army of people?

Spamming it makes more people aware of it, regardless of whether the post itself is constructive or not. Each posts adds to the visibility of the site. Even spam advertising is good advertising for them.

I absolutely agree with you, but also think their could campaigns even for them. I image it like this: you can have several advertisements in signature as long as it is visible + you get some small price (like 0.000003 or something)  for every post you make. Only flaw is that it would need to use relyable micro transaction platform for small payments.

newbies can't have links. jr members have a small character limit. and opening campaigns to brand new members does little in the way of deterring spam.

There would be spamming for one thing. You'd have people joining the forums to spam around the sig. In a way that would be good for the advertiser but still.

Even if they offered it, a small signature for Jr.Members, then it won't be as noticeable as a Member's signature, or a Hero's.

But the fact is that it is there. Being noticeable is kind ehh, I mean we all see the links is the thing.

But if it draws more attention (For instance, my red Ritz signature is just BAM, since it's a 'lighter' color compared to Up/Down, PD, and FXO) then that increases the chances of it being clicked. Would you prefer a plain colored link, that doesn't look exciting, or a few shades of blue?

There is a HUGE difference between signatures with big letters, bolded with colors ... and signatures in the smallest font with no color and limited length. Don't you think? The former tend to jump out at me a lot, the latter not so much.

You are right.But having a signature is better than not having one at all.It will help the advertiser in someway more or less and it will be cheap to them as well.  ;)

I wouldn't really recommend it. The 25 posts per week are hard to make without spamming. Especially if you're not interested in each and every aspect covered on these forums to make meaningful posts there.

Yes, I acknowledge there are users that easily make more than that in a week without spamming, but those mostly run a service or a project or are actively trading via the forums which in itself leads to quite the number of posts.

That is why I stopped taking part in it myself. I know a bit about mining and have a question here and there, and try to help out where it makes sense. And sometimes there's just interesting stuff in the "Politics and Society" section. But that isn't enough to make 25 non-spam posts per week.

The 50 per month are much more relaxed.


Generally I agree that it is benefiting the forum if only members + are eligible for the majority of the campaigns. What no one has mentioned before: allowing newbie and jr accounts also opens the door too wide to multiaccing. Let's not be naive: People are after a quick penny and some will take any possible route to make as much as possible as quick as possible.

25 posts a week isn't a lot at all, even for newbies, but it's not really worth it for them as you still get dust, but I suppose it's better than nothing. If you're posting crap all over users will soon find themselves on the receiving end of a ban.

Because some new campaigns can't pay competitive prices, since these have been increasing, I think they won't have an alternative than to accept low paid junior members signature.

Since junior members can insert links in their signature and already have some time on the forum, if don't see justification to left them outside.