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some ppl say with the whole electricity bill of the whole miners you could end the world hunger.

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At least provide some data to support this claim... or else this topic may soon find its place it speculation.

i read it on reddit the other day. cant find the link anymore :/

With the costs that occur in the current financial system, world hunger could probably be ended thousands of time.

bitcoin started in 2009

world hunger was around before 2009

bitcoin did not cause world hunger

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Fantastic reply and 100% true. Bitcoin did not coz the problem ...why should it be blamed for that ? Its like blaming Bitcoin for a murder ...as if it could not have happened with cash. Or blaming E=mc^2 for Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

Offtopic: @zimmah You may like to get rid of your current sig. Qoinpro does not pay.

Your title of the thread is all messed up.  No, it's logically impossible to argue that Bitcoin is the REASON for world hunger. If you wanted to argue that all Bitcoin miners should stop mining and instead donate the electric cost to end world hunger, that might be true, but it's not going to happen. 

How much electricity do you think their computers must be using - more than a steel mill or something?  ;D

You could solve the world hunger by selling all of the submarines that the U.S. has, they are mainly used for corporate reason to steal data, concepts etc so the change wouldn't be noticeable by the average American.

Now the U.S. is the reason for world hunger.

Way, way more! Look at these pictures of the KNC Bitcoin mining center: http://imgur.com/a/CcIhX (http://imgur.com/a/CcIhX)

World hunger is the reason for world hunger.  Third world countries pouring their economies into military, industry, or commodities instead of their own people, is the reason there is world hunger.

There is no correlation with Bitcoin and world hunger.  Some of these countries don't even have readily available internet and/or electricity.  Blame their leaders and government for keeping it this way!

So more than 9 megawatts then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOsbIP3y2Wg

stupid thread?

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With the fees from the world's Governments, world hunger would've ended years ago. Yet, a new currency is the reason for world hunger?

Yes, about 200 000 000 kW/h
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/03/fascinating-number-bitcoin-mining-uses-15-millions-worth-of-electricity-every-day/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/03/fascinating-number-bitcoin-mining-uses-15-millions-worth-of-electricity-every-day/)

That moment when all of the gold the catholic church holds would solve world hunger... an organization out for the people.... has the ability to feed them all but prefers to have gold chains, cups, necklaces, etc..........................................

Ya... BTC is the cause..

Are DVDs the reason for world hunger?  I read that if everyone gave food instead of buying DVDs there'd be no hunger.

If DVD's are the cause of world hunger, Blu-ray DVD's definitely is the cause of Polio, Malaria, Bird Flu, and AIDS all rolled up into one.

What makes you think like that?

+1
also add the fact that las vegas alone uses more electric then bitcoins.
so should we blame casino's for world hunger, they have been around longer :D

Forget Las Vegas.  Macau practically takes the food out of Southeast Asia's mouth.   :'(

I find that hard to believe. In any case there is a lot more starvation in our future.  Every hour of the day there are more people than the hour before. I hope we don't overshoot K in my lifetime.

http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/thomas.wolosz/popbio2.jpg

Guessing by your name, you look someone belonging to a developing muslim country like pakistan or afghanistan, and i believe that each and every person in a developing country would have atleast seen what is hunger and how is it caused? and do you think that before the btc was released no one slept hungry? do you mean that in 2008, each and every person got full meals?

Perhaps this link is a little closer to reality https://medium.com/weird-future/c350bd84c64e

money and/or electricity do(es) not feed people. so actually it is not. actually the problem is just an issue of wrong distribution and bitcoin is a tool that can change they way money is distributed. it brought banking to people who never had the chance to get a bank account for example.

The thread should be titled: Can Bitcoin end hunger?

Perhaps for some. The good thing is that a bitcoiner in the western world can now send coins directly to a person he wants to support in a 3rd world country.
They only need somewhere to meet to get to know. I mean bitcoin takes the shortcut and we do not need to donate indirectly to big charityfunds and not knowing if it ever arrives.

This man speaks the truth.  ;D

How in the h does bitcoin related to world hunger?

If you observe the animals in the wild, you'd notice only the strong survives. It should be same for humans but of course, we have the bleeding hearts.

Well most definitely!  I mean, there were no hungry people in the world, ever, and then bitcoin came along and all of a sudden we have all these hungry people everywhere.  Obviously bitcoin caused it!
Btw, when you say "some ppl", you mean yourself right?  Or if you mean people other than yourself, perhaps you should say who?  

Why is K static? I ain't no farmin' expert, but I'm pretty sure yield density in farmed crops has been shooting up faster than farms can be foreclosed on.

Bitcoin is defenitly not the cause of hunger in the world.
It could maybe cause problems, if it keeps using so much elecricity.
Thats why I think that the so called Green coins like: Mintcoin, PPcoin.
Have much more potential because they harm the world alot less.

The only reason Bitcoin might cause one to be hungry, is because it's quite hard to find places to buy food with it :D

World hunger isn't even a financial problem.  You could throw money at it for years and not solve it - as they have.  Its a problem of infrastructure and politics.  I recall a story that in the 1980 Ethiopian famine there were silos full of grain in one part of the country, while the west raised money to airdrop grain brought from outside, impoverishing those farmers that had good land.  

It's been a while since my population biology classes. But this is a simplified equation that is used for wild animals. It assumes a static capacity. As you imply, humans have already greatly increased the efficiency of farming and our ability to feed the world. However, that can't go on forever. It may even make a crash worse when it happens.  

Waste (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWC_zDdF74s) is the reason for world hunger. The waste of greed; the waste of capitalism.

Central banking has caused more world hunger than any Bitcoin mining electricity bill could ever dream of doing.

Don't think I've read such old flannel in my whole life.

Thanks to what some people have said, I'm starting a Stamp Out Termites Today (SOTT) foundation due to the tons of methane them worthless critters release into the atmosphere every second. Gotta save the planet!

Granted, I don't want to kill 'em all, leaving enough so that they can be put on some endangered species list, then corralled to keep a watchful on eye on them, say near Mesquite, NV, where some tortoises roam.

World hunger caused Bitcoin!

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If bitcoin is successful it will end the world hunger..

As for electricity it will eventually be the cost of transactions and probably less than right now

lol !!!!!!

yes pizzza too expensive

The stupid.  It burns.

Great example of why a voting system and selective membership is useful in a forum.

hahahahaha you should apply for comedian  :D :D



I agree with you on this point

Only women's empowerment via education, power to choose and access to birth control can end World hunger.

Actually having access to "banking" via Bitcoin could make a huge difference in empowering women.

 

Is bitcoin the real reason for the internet?

Not real in any chance.
the world is the reason for world hunger

people will find the reason to spend their money for any use before they donate it for a cause like world hunger

If we stop all the corruption we will end the world hunger 10 times

Do you realize the resources that go into making the millions of pizzas each and every day?

Abolish Pizza: Save the Planet.

The resources used for global food production/transportation must be immense.

Ban food production, so we can solve global hunger!

That is absurd. World hunger has existed long before Bitcoin was introduced. It's really a problem with human nature - outside your small group of friends/family no one cares about anyone else. Hence why the need to help others?

I got some bad news. We overshot K long before you were born. Earth's true carrying capacity is approx. 2 billion human beings.

We are in a population bubble supported solely by the temporary use of fossil fuels, of which we are running out.

http://www.pelicanweb.org/ChefurkaDec12Fig2.png
http://www.321energy.com/editorials/chefurka/chefurka02.gif

Last 200 years:

http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Pop_Energy_1820.png

One possible future:

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/aangelinsf/Greer-StagesOfTechnicSocieties-1.gif

A more likely possible future (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Jxs7lR8ZI).

In case you missed it:

There is no real reason to believe that Greer's theory necessarily represents an accurate picture of how technological civilization works. It hypothesizes modes of social organization that have never even existed, and has a very dubious view of "scarcity" as some kind of objectively fixed property of resources. The divisions into stages of progress are wildly arbitrary, as though discovering more efficient utilization of resources is not always happening to some degree or other. My personal impression of these kind of theories is that they're just repackaging the same tired Malthusian bullshit story into more and more sophisticated presentations.

No since World hunger is an issue that predates Bitcoin

Rather Bitcoin may be the solution to world hunger by creating a usable payments system in a country rife in civil war
With difficulties for poor people to store money and use traditional banking as in their accounts are eaten by fees
Simple low cost solutions that can be used on mobile phones to make micro transactions possible is most certainly a solution to world hunger and one of the potential benefits of Bitcoin and its related technologies.

Due to new technologies we have more recoverable oil in the world than ever before. The same thing happens with other technologies as well. This is why we have thrived as a species. This peak oil garbage is recycled from the 1970's playbook.   

Is that recoverable oil also cheaper to obtain than it has ever been before?  Is there a distinction between "recoverable" and "economically feasible to recover"?  Have oil prices been continuously falling as these new technologies expose more oil to potential recovery?  Why are oil prices rising anyway, is there a supply and demand component at play?



What were the costs of recovering oil in the 1970's relative to today?

I have found that "some people say" are almost always wrong.

"I was to lazy to do background research but trust me on my words" :D

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I was looking for that answer, so I don't have to explain it myself. ;)

While bitcoins bring something new towards our currency system, it is also beneficial to the protection and conservation of trees and forests. Having trees and a sustained environment can aid end world hunger. Online website such as Fast-growing-trees.com gives numerous options for the tree of your choice. Fast growing trees and plants such as Apple trees among others, could eventually serve its multiple purposes for animals and humans alike, even going as far as helping reduce global warming.

Why do you ask this?! both started in the same year, surely it couldn't cause it.

No mate. Bitcoin paid for a spade for a guy in Africa. It paid for water charities to donate water to people without it. It helped people be reached who would not have otherwise be reached easily (or cheaply).

Your real enemy here are the millions of corporations and cities (such as las vegas) who care 0% about how much power they use unless it affects their salary. The very fact that this question has been brought up to the community shows the positive power of bitcoin and its community over existing systems.

Haha imagine the CEO of some las vegas casino or shopping centers and restaurants who use excessive lights on purpose for marketing and sales tactics asking "are we causing world hunger". It would never happen!. So bitcoin is not doing too bad ey ;)

I fear your right. We would have reached 2 billion in about 1929. Look at how much growth there has been since!
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+population+1929+to+today

Horseshit.

OP is right, there was no world hunger before bitcoin came along :D

You could end world hunger with a lot of things.  You could probably end world hunger by allocating 1 day per year out of the United States Military budget. 

The idea that world hunger can be ended is a pipe dream.

Sadly, you are right.  This is despite every Miss Universe trying to stop world hunger also...

Yeah but a few of the Miss Universes could satisfy certain hungers that I have.

oh wait

strike that

I thought every beauty pageant contestant was trying to bring world peace.   :P

World hunger, world peace, just skip to the bathing suit competition.   ;D

High five to that  ;D

Much like creating world peace, the only way to end world hunger is to kill everyone.

Here, in this forum, there are many early adopters who can give a big help to counteract the world hunger,
bitcoins aren't the reason for that, but a way to eliminate it.

 ;D ;D

I swear this is one of the dumbest threads around here.