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Title: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 23, 2014, 04:48:15 PM
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia plans to sign a contract with Iran this year to build two more nuclear reactors at its Bushehr power plant as part of a broader deal for up to eight reactors in the Islamic state, a source close to the negotiations told Reuters on Thursday.
Related Stories

It was not immediately clear how this might affect six global powers' talks with Iran addressing disputed aspects of its nuclear program. Iran has resisted demands for cuts in its uranium enrichment capacity, pointing to plans for a future network of nuclear power stations.

Western powers want any lasting agreement with Iran to put to rest suspicions that it could develop nuclear weapons-making ability through enrichment. Iran denies any such intent.

The talks ended last week with little progress; they are to resume in Vienna in June.

Russia, one of the six powers, built Iran's only operating nuclear power reactor, at Bushehr.

"Russia and Iran may sign an intergovernmental agreement this year on building from four to eight nuclear reactors, and, under the deal, the contract for the construction of the first two reactors as additions to Bushehr," the source said.


Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom said earlier it was in talks with Iran on the potential construction of more reactors there but revealed no details. Rosatom officials could not immediately be reached for comment on Thursday.

Longstanding Western fears that the Bushehr project could yield spent fuel of use in nuclear weapons - something it denies it is seeking to do - receded after Iran promised to send the material back to Russia.

Moscow voted for four rounds of U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran over its contested nuclear activity but has sharply criticized additional measures imposed by the United States and European Union, calling them a hindrance to diplomacy in search of a permanent settlement with Tehran.
Video from Reuters @ http://news.yahoo.com/russia-may-build-eight-nuclear-reactors-iran-134635604.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russia-may-build-eight-nuclear-reactors-iran-134635604.html)
I know the western freak show over Iran going nuclear is way overblown but it is sure used as a boogyman by neocons (the war on terror was yesteryear's boogy) to maintain support w/i the republican party by pretending to be defense hawks which shrouds their whoring for MIC profits. Anyone remember the clip of Obama whispering to Putin prior to his reelection saying that afterwards he'd have more leeway in foreign affairs.. I wouldn't be surprised if this Ukraine stuff and this nuclear biz is all meant to keep money flowing to weapons and tech innovation for all related top world companies as sort of a shell cold war 2.0 game. It's obvious to anyone w/ any semblance of intelligence that the US has already sold the farm and there's no financial way out besides inflation and war games to provide cover and shift domestic tension elsewhere the best they can. Think of the way North Korea plays their cards.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2014, 04:56:23 PM
After petroleum and natural gas, nuclear fuel is the most important source of foreign currency for Russia. So Russia might ignore the safety concerns in Iran, for the sake of additional revenue.

http://www.nucnet.org/all-the-news/2013/11/13/rosatom-s-foreign-portfolio-reaches-usd-66-5-billion


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: sana8410 on May 23, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
 A new deal with iran and one with china as well. boy we are just having a good old time here in the USA annoying every one of our global enemies instead of trying to fix what's broken about our own country.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2014, 06:02:16 PM
Another important deal was signed today... mostly ignored by the Western media.

Russia, India sign deal on Kudankulam NPP second stage

http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/732752


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Rigon on May 23, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia plans to sign a contract with Iran this year to build two more nuclear reactors at its Bushehr power plant as part of a broader deal for up to eight reactors in the Islamic state, a source close to the negotiations told Reuters on Thursday.
Related Stories

It was not immediately clear how this might affect six global powers' talks with Iran addressing disputed aspects of its nuclear program. Iran has resisted demands for cuts in its uranium enrichment capacity, pointing to plans for a future network of nuclear power stations.

Western powers want any lasting agreement with Iran to put to rest suspicions that it could develop nuclear weapons-making ability through enrichment. Iran denies any such intent.

The talks ended last week with little progress; they are to resume in Vienna in June.

Russia, one of the six powers, built Iran's only operating nuclear power reactor, at Bushehr.

"Russia and Iran may sign an intergovernmental agreement this year on building from four to eight nuclear reactors, and, under the deal, the contract for the construction of the first two reactors as additions to Bushehr," the source said.


Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom said earlier it was in talks with Iran on the potential construction of more reactors there but revealed no details. Rosatom officials could not immediately be reached for comment on Thursday.

Longstanding Western fears that the Bushehr project could yield spent fuel of use in nuclear weapons - something it denies it is seeking to do - receded after Iran promised to send the material back to Russia.

Moscow voted for four rounds of U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran over its contested nuclear activity but has sharply criticized additional measures imposed by the United States and European Union, calling them a hindrance to diplomacy in search of a permanent settlement with Tehran.
Video from Reuters @ http://news.yahoo.com/russia-may-build-eight-nuclear-reactors-iran-134635604.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russia-may-build-eight-nuclear-reactors-iran-134635604.html)
I know the western freak show over Iran going nuclear is way overblown but it is sure used as a boogyman by neocons (the war on terror was yesteryear's boogy) to maintain support w/i the republican party by pretending to be defense hawks which shrouds their whoring for MIC profits. Anyone remember the clip of Obama whispering to Putin prior to his reelection saying that afterwards he'd have more leeway in foreign affairs.. I wouldn't be surprised if this Ukraine stuff and this nuclear biz is all meant to keep money flowing to weapons and tech innovation for all related top world companies as sort of a shell cold war 2.0 game. It's obvious to anyone w/ any semblance of intelligence that the US has already sold the farm and there's no financial way out besides inflation and war games to provide cover and shift domestic tension elsewhere the best they can. Think of the way North Korea plays their cards.
"Russia, one of the six powers, built Iran's only operating nuclear power reactor, at Bushehr."
This is the sort of disinformation that misleads the American public. Russia didn't "build" that nuclear power reactor. Russia "completed" the nuclear power reactor project that was abandoned by Germany following the 1979 Revolution. That project was the brain child of the US espoused by then US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, in his "atoms for peace" initiative. It supported the idea of building nuclear power plants in Iran to meet domestic energy demands in order to free up the extra hydrocarbons for export. Also, in the 60s/70s, it had been projected that Iran's oil reserves would have been exhausted by 2010 and the general consensus among the Western nations was that Iran needed nuclear power to secure its energy supply.
Today, the West pretends as if the idea of Iran wanting nuclear energy for domestic use is completely absurd.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: nickenburg on May 23, 2014, 06:43:09 PM
Oke and you guys Iran will make Nuclear bombs with that?
I mean Only thing I heard is they want to make Nuclear energy not bombs.
Only people telling us Iran wants to bomb us are the Western goverments, and media.
And I dont believe them, Only they can have N-bombs they are like the bully only they can have the toys.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: sana8410 on May 23, 2014, 06:45:16 PM
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia plans to sign a contract with Iran this year to build two more nuclear reactors at its Bushehr power plant as part of a broader deal for up to eight reactors in the Islamic state, a source close to the negotiations told Reuters on Thursday.
Related Stories

It was not immediately clear how this might affect six global powers' talks with Iran addressing disputed aspects of its nuclear program. Iran has resisted demands for cuts in its uranium enrichment capacity, pointing to plans for a future network of nuclear power stations.

Western powers want any lasting agreement with Iran to put to rest suspicions that it could develop nuclear weapons-making ability through enrichment. Iran denies any such intent.

The talks ended last week with little progress; they are to resume in Vienna in June.

Russia, one of the six powers, built Iran's only operating nuclear power reactor, at Bushehr.

"Russia and Iran may sign an intergovernmental agreement this year on building from four to eight nuclear reactors, and, under the deal, the contract for the construction of the first two reactors as additions to Bushehr," the source said.


Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom said earlier it was in talks with Iran on the potential construction of more reactors there but revealed no details. Rosatom officials could not immediately be reached for comment on Thursday.

Longstanding Western fears that the Bushehr project could yield spent fuel of use in nuclear weapons - something it denies it is seeking to do - receded after Iran promised to send the material back to Russia.

Moscow voted for four rounds of U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran over its contested nuclear activity but has sharply criticized additional measures imposed by the United States and European Union, calling them a hindrance to diplomacy in search of a permanent settlement with Tehran.
Video from Reuters @ http://news.yahoo.com/russia-may-build-eight-nuclear-reactors-iran-134635604.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russia-may-build-eight-nuclear-reactors-iran-134635604.html)
I know the western freak show over Iran going nuclear is way overblown but it is sure used as a boogyman by neocons (the war on terror was yesteryear's boogy) to maintain support w/i the republican party by pretending to be defense hawks which shrouds their whoring for MIC profits. Anyone remember the clip of Obama whispering to Putin prior to his reelection saying that afterwards he'd have more leeway in foreign affairs.. I wouldn't be surprised if this Ukraine stuff and this nuclear biz is all meant to keep money flowing to weapons and tech innovation for all related top world companies as sort of a shell cold war 2.0 game. It's obvious to anyone w/ any semblance of intelligence that the US has already sold the farm and there's no financial way out besides inflation and war games to provide cover and shift domestic tension elsewhere the best they can. Think of the way North Korea plays their cards.
"Russia, one of the six powers, built Iran's only operating nuclear power reactor, at Bushehr."
This is the sort of disinformation that misleads the American public. Russia didn't "build" that nuclear power reactor. Russia "completed" the nuclear power reactor project that was abandoned by Germany following the 1979 Revolution. That project was the brain child of the US espoused by then US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, in his "atoms for peace" initiative. It supported the idea of building nuclear power plants in Iran to meet domestic energy demands in order to free up the extra hydrocarbons for export. Also, in the 60s/70s, it had been projected that Iran's oil reserves would have been exhausted by 2010 and the general consensus among the Western nations was that Iran needed nuclear power to secure its energy supply.
Today, the West pretends as if the idea of Iran wanting nuclear energy for domestic use is completely absurd.
You are 100% correct. Construction of their first plant-changed hand from the U.S. to France and then Germany finally was left incomplete because of revolution etc. What U.S. public doesn't know, like many things, is that the U.S. gave Iran its first reactor late fifties and early 60s,which was a research reactor located in Tehran University and still working. Our  politicians always do everything to feed public with incorrect information.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Skele on May 23, 2014, 07:08:13 PM
This is retaliation for our undermining of the democratically elected government in Ukraine and then slapping on sanctions with the threat of more after Russia moved to secure its naval bases in the Crimea, which even an idiot could see Russia absolutely would have to do. This is power politics. We started it, they are retaliating. Its actually quite brilliant.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Slab Squathrust on May 23, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
Oke and you guys Iran will make Nuclear bombs with that?
I mean Only thing I heard is they want to make Nuclear energy not bombs.
Only people telling us Iran wants to bomb us are the Western goverments, and media.
And I dont believe them, Only they can have N-bombs they are like the bully only they can have the toys.

Well, I have heard that Iran has enriched uranium to approximately 20% levels.  This is far beyond the level required for reactor operation (3-5% U235).  Further, you apparently are unaware of the physics behind uranium based reactor operations.  The fission of atoms that drive a reactor result in the emission of neutrons.  These can hit another atom of U235, or more likely, strike an atom of U238.  Occasionally, the nucleus can absorb a neutron.  After a quick beta decay, this becomes plutonium (Pu239) in a process known as transmutation.  This is the ideal choice for weapons grade fissile material.  A simple reprocessing of spent reactor fuel can easily be used to obtain enough material for an atomic weapon.     

Unfortunately the shoddy article did not specify what type of reactor the Russians were building for the Iranians.  Nor did it provide any info in regards to the handling of the spent fuel from the reactors.  However, more than likely it is their standard pressurized water reactor designs.  These are uranium fueled and allow for the potential of proliferation.  Ultimately, the construction of any new uranium fuel cycle reactor should be cause for concern for this reason.  Especially in a geopolitically volatile region such as the middle east.  Why there hasn't been more of a focus on alternative nuclear sources such as thorium is beyond me.   


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: beetcoin on May 23, 2014, 10:50:14 PM
ha, this is kind of like a mini-cold war.. where the U.S. imposes sanctions, and russia looks for ways to give the U.S. the finger. is it me or does anyone else think this might not turn out well?


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Littleshop on May 24, 2014, 12:28:59 AM
Oke and you guys Iran will make Nuclear bombs with that?
I mean Only thing I heard is they want to make Nuclear energy not bombs.
Only people telling us Iran wants to bomb us are the Western goverments, and media.
And I dont believe them, Only they can have N-bombs they are like the bully only they can have the toys.

It is quite obvious they want both nuclear bombs and nuclear energy.  Just the fact that they are refining material way beyond the standards used in a reactor says they want a bomb. 



Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: arbitrage001 on May 24, 2014, 02:43:22 AM
A new deal with iran and one with china as well. boy we are just having a good old time here in the USA annoying every one of our global enemies instead of trying to fix what's broken about our own country.

US no longer has the influence it once held.

Have not really won any major war since WWII.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 24, 2014, 03:21:53 AM
This is retaliation for our undermining of the democratically elected government in Ukraine and then slapping on sanctions with the threat of more after Russia moved to secure its naval bases in the Crimea, which even an idiot could see Russia absolutely would have to do. This is power politics. We started it, they are retaliating. Its actually quite brilliant.

The anti-Russia sanctions are moving Putin towards the East, and away from the West. In the long term, this will harm the Western nations only. They will lose secure supplies of cheap Russian gas, and will be forced to depend upon the expensive Qatari LNG. (The Americans will be happy, as most of the LNG facilities in Qatar are owned by them).


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 24, 2014, 04:42:34 AM
The West had no alternative to impose sanctions. USA, Russia and the UK signed an agreement in 1994 with Ukraine guarantying the Ukrainian borders, when Ukraine gave up their share of the soviet nuclear weapons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
If they did nothing, several NATO countries (Poland, Romania, Baltic countries, etc) would start asking is the alliance had any value. Like the 1994 agreement, the OTAN pact is just a scrap of paper.

What load of BS? Did that treaty prevented the CIA from toppling the democratically elected government of Viktor Yanukovych, and replacing it with neo-Nazis from Right Sector? Crimea decided to break away from Ukraine, after the Neo-Nazis seized power in Kiev.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Balthazar on May 24, 2014, 06:48:18 AM
Oke and you guys Iran will make Nuclear bombs with that?
It's impossible for two reasons.

This is the ideal choice for weapons grade fissile material.  A simple reprocessing of spent reactor fuel can easily be used to obtain enough material for an atomic weapon.    
Nope.

1) Unlike RBMK and RBMKP series, the VVER serion of reactors is incapable with on-the-fly replacement of fuel. As the result, VVER serion is unable to produce weapons-grade plutinium.
2) Reactor-grade plutonium contains too high share of Pu-240 and Pu-241 isotopes.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 24, 2014, 07:01:12 AM
BTW... Russia is currently planning to significantly increase the production of Uranium.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/uploadedImages/org/info/armz_uranium_prod_plans.png


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: beetcoin on May 24, 2014, 07:53:34 AM
The West had no alternative to impose sanctions. USA, Russia and the UK signed an agreement in 1994 with Ukraine guarantying the Ukrainian borders, when Ukraine gave up their share of the soviet nuclear weapons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
If they did nothing, several NATO countries (Poland, Romania, Baltic countries, etc) would start asking is the alliance had any value. Like the 1994 agreement, the OTAN pact is just a scrap of paper.

well that's pretty fucked. as psycho as russia is as a nation, they would probably have thought twice about invading the ukraine if they had nuclear weapons.

this and the whole north korea thing.. goes to show that it does indeed pay off to have nuclear weapons. and that's a damn dangerous thing.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 24, 2014, 08:10:17 AM
well that's pretty fucked. as psycho as russia is as a nation, they would probably have thought twice about invading the ukraine if they had nuclear weapons.

So going by that countries such as Libya and Iraq should have been armed with nuclear weapons, to prevent the Americans from invading them. And we should give nukes to North Korea as well.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bitsmichel on May 24, 2014, 09:58:30 AM
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So going by that countries such as Libya and Iraq should have been armed with nuclear weapons, to prevent the Americans from invading them. And we should give nukes to North Korea as well.

North Korea has nukes.  As for Iraq, there was nothing they could have done to stop the US invasion simply because their technology was years behind


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Nemo1024 on May 24, 2014, 10:02:38 AM
Not exactly on topic, but:

Russia will sell Syria 12 fighter jets Mig-29M/M2 by the end of 2017, fulfilling the contract from 2007:
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1211997?utm_medium=rss20

The balance of power is being slowly restored...


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 24, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Russia, Iran committed to expand cooperation

http://www.azernews.az/region/67394.html

More importantly, the Russian officials are looking in to the possibility of reviving the contract to supply Iran with five battalions of the S-300 air-defence systems, cancelled a few years ago by Putin.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: arbitrage001 on May 25, 2014, 01:27:07 AM
Russia, Iran committed to expand cooperation

http://www.azernews.az/region/67394.html

More importantly, the Russian officials are looking in to the possibility of reviving the contract to supply Iran with five battalions of the S-300 air-defence systems, cancelled a few years ago by Putin.


Looks like we can expect major coming within the decade.



Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: beetcoin on May 25, 2014, 01:36:12 AM
well that's pretty fucked. as psycho as russia is as a nation, they would probably have thought twice about invading the ukraine if they had nuclear weapons.

So going by that countries such as Libya and Iraq should have been armed with nuclear weapons, to prevent the Americans from invading them. And we should give nukes to North Korea as well.

i'm not saying this country or that should be armed with nuclear weapons. but it does deter countries from invading your own. a nuclear weapon can be as much of a weapon as it is a defensive mechanism.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 01:45:48 AM
i'm not saying this country or that should be armed with nuclear weapons. but it does deter countries from invading your own. a nuclear weapon can be as much of a weapon as it is a defensive mechanism.

The same can be said about the 20-odd countries which were invaded by the US during the last two decades or so. Even now the world is very unsafe, with rogue nations such as Pakistan and DPRK possessing nukes. I don't want any more nations with nuclear capability, especially the current neo-Nazi regime of Ukriane.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 04:47:02 AM
Having nuclear weapons is indeed a very good security insurance (I bet Ukraine wouldn't have the problems it has now with Russia, if it didn't give up the big nuclear arsenal in 1994, in exchange for paper assurances on its territorial integrity, including from Russia).

Possession of nuclear weapons don't guarantee anything. In addition to the nukes, you need sophisticated Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), which can accurately target the enemy locations. As far as I know, Ukraine does not even possess a mid-range missile. Even if they get a few missiles from some other nation, the Russians will be able to shot down the missiles before they enter the Russian air-space, with their sophisticated S-300 and S-400 SAM batteries.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: beetcoin on May 25, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
Having nuclear weapons is indeed a very good security insurance (I bet Ukraine wouldn't have the problems it has now with Russia, if it didn't give up the big nuclear arsenal in 1994, in exchange for paper assurances on its territorial integrity, including from Russia).

Possession of nuclear weapons don't guarantee anything. In addition to the nukes, you need sophisticated Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), which can accurately target the enemy locations. As far as I know, Ukraine does not even possess a mid-range missile. Even if they get a few missiles from some other nation, the Russians will be able to shot down the missiles before they enter the Russian air-space, with their sophisticated S-300 and S-400 SAM batteries.

doesn't matter, everyone around the world would be scared of you, especially if you were trying and trying (and getting better at it) like north korea is doing. i guess it would be a great way to make other people "pay you off." even though north korea can't get their nukes very far, no one would even deign to invade their country.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 07:02:05 AM
Even though north korea can't get their nukes very far, no one would even deign to invade their country.

The North Korean ICBM (Taepodong-2) is capable of targeting locations which are up to 6,500 kms away. That means that, important American cities such as SF, LA and Portland are under its range.

http://robertnyakundi.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/taepo-5.jpg


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Trading on May 25, 2014, 06:49:55 PM
The only problem seems to be that its orientation guide is terrible. When the Koreans launch a missile to the Pacific, the Russians and Chinese better run for the bunkers.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: kuroman on May 25, 2014, 07:02:19 PM
After petroleum and natural gas, nuclear fuel is the most important source of foreign currency for Russia. So Russia might ignore the safety concerns in Iran, for the sake of additional revenue.

http://www.nucnet.org/all-the-news/2013/11/13/rosatom-s-foreign-portfolio-reaches-usd-66-5-billion

There is no safety precaution to take here, Iran already have nuclrear power plants, having more nuclear power plants built under international standard is not an issue at all, and this shouldn't even be a news to be honest, but since it concern Russia, and Iran the news get overblown and put out of context


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 02:17:25 AM
The only problem seems to be that its orientation guide is terrible. When the Koreans launch a missile to the Pacific, the Russians and Chinese better run for the bunkers.

From their past missile tests, it can be safely said that the missiles are very accurate. But still, it will cause problems for the Japanese, as the missiles have to be shot over the Japanese air space, to reach California.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: thehun on May 26, 2014, 03:58:05 AM
It is clear there won't be any foreseeable reduction of nuclear weapons anywhere in the world after what is happening. On the contrary, more and more countries will try to build up their nuclear power to avoid being puppet nations which can be run over by the big powers.

Unless the big powers (US, China, Russia, UK, France and a few others) start disposing of their nukes I don't see any reason why the smaller players should do so. Colonialism is still very present in the third world and developing countries and unless there is a bit of balance these countries will never get out of the hole.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 04:50:49 AM
It is clear there won't be any foreseeable reduction of nuclear weapons anywhere in the world after what is happening. On the contrary, more and more countries will try to build up their nuclear power to avoid being puppet nations which can be run over by the big powers.

There is a big difference between building a nuclear reactor and trying to build nuclear weapons. More and more countries are preferring nuclear energy, as it is the cleanest and cheapest form of energy available right now.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: thehun on May 26, 2014, 03:24:24 PM
It is clear there won't be any foreseeable reduction of nuclear weapons anywhere in the world after what is happening. On the contrary, more and more countries will try to build up their nuclear power to avoid being puppet nations which can be run over by the big powers.


There is a big difference between building a nuclear reactor and trying to build nuclear weapons. More and more countries are preferring nuclear energy, as it is the cleanest and cheapest form of energy available right now.

Of course it's a big difference, but I don't agree that it's the cleanest or cheapest kind of energy. When calculating the costs most of the time the price if disposing of the residues is overlooked. This might not be an immediate cost to assume but bear in mind that these residues have to be safely stored for centuries as they build up. On the long term it is a very high cost and has a very high environmental impact on  countries where uranium is extracted (just look at Niger and Chad around the areas where the French-managed uranium mines are located).

In other words, the costs might not seem too high for us because they are paid by others.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: Trading on May 27, 2014, 01:49:14 AM
On the need to have reliable missiles to make an effective detente, there are other ways to deliver a nuclear weapon, including plane or using terrestrial small units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_delivery).

The simple fact that you have a few nuclear weapons upgrades your political and military status. There is a risk that you might be able to kill millions of our citizens.

Anyway, Ukraine had not only soviet nuclear weapons, but also soviet missiles to launch them. The soviets had launching stations on Ukrainian territory.


Title: Re: Russia may build eight nuclear reactors for Iran
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 27, 2014, 02:04:05 AM
Of course it's a big difference, but I don't agree that it's the cleanest or cheapest kind of energy. When calculating the costs most of the time the price if disposing of the residues is overlooked. This might not be an immediate cost to assume but bear in mind that these residues have to be safely stored for centuries as they build up. On the long term it is a very high cost and has a very high environmental impact on  countries where uranium is extracted (just look at Niger and Chad around the areas where the French-managed uranium mines are located).

Nuclear waste storage is getting more and more cheaper now, with the advancement of new technology. And Uranium mines in Russia, Canada and the US adheres to strict environmental standards. Those in Niger does not comply with the environmental rules, as the government is not willing to enforce them on the French mining giants.