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Title: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: tx42 on May 26, 2014, 04:43:38 PM
The mintpal voting system has been hacked.

Several coins have mysteriously switched position over the last couple of hours, one losing 15 to 20 thousand votes.

This points to a serious security breech.

Mintpal has nothing to say on the topic.

If you have a screenshot of the voting from before the incident, please provide it!!!


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: maccaspacca on May 26, 2014, 04:51:12 PM
The mintpal voting system has been hacked.

Several coins have mysteriously switched position over the last couple of hours, losing 15 to 20 thousand votes.

This points to a serious security breech.

Mintpal has nothing to say on the topic.



If this can happen with voting....... what happens on the exchange itself?


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: DubFX on May 26, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
I'd like to get answer from mintpal too, BCTalk coin was on the 1st place with almost 8 bitcoins deposited asides from cryptometh wich has 0.22 coins deposited but they still have 23k votes and our 20k votes just randomly vanished!


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: SirChiko on May 26, 2014, 04:58:56 PM
I'd like to get answer from mintpal too, BCTalk coin was on the 1st place with almost 8 bitcoins deposited asides from cryptometh wich has 0.22 coins deposited but they still have 23k votes and our 20k votes just randomly vanished!
We demand justice! Get your sh1t together mintpal, can't you even manage your voting platform? This got me really angry, bct seems like fair coin.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: uki on May 26, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
This is the answer I got from Mintpal:

Code:
There was 7.92 BTC in paid-votes that was sent there by mistake by one of our customers, they have verified this fact by signing a message with the originating address so the BTC & votes were removed from the coin.

Thanks
--------------
Kind Regards,
MintPal Jason


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: tx42 on May 26, 2014, 05:14:22 PM
This is the answer I got from Mintpal:

Code:
There was 7.92 BTC in paid-votes that was sent there by mistake by one of our customers, they have verified this fact by signing a message with the originating address so the BTC & votes were removed from the coin.

Thanks
--------------
Kind Regards,
MintPal Jason

How do you send money to BTC address by accident?


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: tx42 on May 26, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
If votes can be revoked at any time, then the voting system has no integrity.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: sussex on May 26, 2014, 05:30:43 PM
If votes can be revoked at any time, then the voting system has no integrity.

It does seem fishy.....

How come he didn't realise that he'd sent it to the wrong address days ago and only seemed to claim it back just before voting closed?

What are the chances of erroneously sending it to a current address, particularly one that could be traced to it's owner?



Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: dminer69 on May 26, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
mintpal and the voting system is a ponzy scam.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: SirChiko on May 26, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
If votes can be revoked at any time, then the voting system has no integrity.

It does seem fishy.....

How come he didn't realise that he'd sent it to the wrong address days ago and only seemed to claim it back just before voting closed?

What are the chances of erroneously sending it to a current address, particularly one that could be traced to it's owner?


It doesn't seem he sent it to other coin afterwards then...


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: tx42 on May 26, 2014, 05:39:46 PM
If votes can be revoked at any time, then the voting system has no integrity.

It does seem fishy.....

How come he didn't realise that he'd sent it to the wrong address days ago and only seemed to claim it back just before voting closed?

What are the chances of erroneously sending it to a current address, particularly one that could be traced to it's owner?



At best, this sounds like someone who had second thoughts about this vote and cut a deal with mintpal to get the votes withdrawn.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: andyatcrux on May 26, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
"Accidentally" sent? This is absurd. This is a the very least voting manipulation and Mintpal is out of their minds to give back that BTC. It could have been used to encourage CryptoMeth voters to vote hard in the race for first. Now they have a nice 6K vote lead over Information Coin. Not saying this happened, but how can Mintpal decide on this at the 11th hour? The money was in there for days. You don't just accidentally send 7 BTC to the wrong address and not notice it for days. I am withdrawing all funds from Mintpal.  I am sure they will lose others business from this shady business practice.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: jamieb81 on May 26, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
BitCoinTalk Coin with like +24K votes last time I voted, and not it's down at 8100

serioustly mintpal, this is wrong!


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: Bluestreet on May 26, 2014, 06:41:47 PM
First off about 8 out of those top 10 coins are botting like mother fuckers, have you seen the ANN for cryptometh and a couple others.lol


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: Bluestreet on May 26, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
"Accidentally" sent? This is absurd. This is a the very least voting manipulation and Mintpal is out of their minds to give back that BTC. It could have been used to encourage CryptoMeth voters to vote hard in the race for first. Now they have a nice 6K vote lead over Information Coin. Not saying this happened, but how can Mintpal decide on this at the 11th hour? The money was in there for days. You don't just accidentally send 7 BTC to the wrong address and not notice it for days. I am withdrawing all funds from Mintpal.  I am sure they will lose others business from this shady business practice.

Cryptometh is obviously botting votes. hey have created a 100 accounts, sent some btc to trade on them and botting big time.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: Bluestreet on May 26, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
Gezzz look at Entropy Coin with a 16 page ANN coming 6th/7th, seriously wtf!! lol


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: andyatcrux on May 26, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
"Accidentally" sent? This is absurd. This is a the very least voting manipulation and Mintpal is out of their minds to give back that BTC. It could have been used to encourage CryptoMeth voters to vote hard in the race for first. Now they have a nice 6K vote lead over Information Coin. Not saying this happened, but how can Mintpal decide on this at the 11th hour? The money was in there for days. You don't just accidentally send 7 BTC to the wrong address and not notice it for days. I am withdrawing all funds from Mintpal.  I am sure they will lose others business from this shady business practice.

Cryptometh is obviously botting votes. hey have created a 100 accounts, sent some btc to trade on them and botting big time.

Yeah this is what I alluded to in my post on the BCT thread and in my ticket to Mintpal. Zero votes removed for Cryptometh and yet a about a third of BCT votes removed as bot votes.  They are selectively "auditing" and removing votes as they see fit.  Even dictators try to make voting look less rigged than this. Mintpal is either stupid or crooked. Take your pick.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: reRaise on May 26, 2014, 06:47:42 PM
Mintpal has been doing some corrupt shit, untrustable


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: Bluestreet on May 26, 2014, 06:50:19 PM
Mintpal has been doing some corrupt shit, untrustable

Yeah esp when they add coins like sync coin just as they released and havent been tested, hmmmm wonder how much of a bribe that took.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: Bluestreet on May 26, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
If Cryptometh get added tonight just bot the shit out of mintpal votes for your coin.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: dbharathreddy on May 26, 2014, 07:51:30 PM
I hope mintpal going to be another MtGox. Friends let's every one avoided minpal from today and let's withdraw all our fund else you are going to loose your coins for sure .Yes really I hope they are going to play game. Recently they said wallet syncing issue and just 2 hrs back they said server having ddos attack. How the f**k site will open if they are having ddos attack . its looking real pisshi guys be care full I read many posts that mint pal started scaming and many people loosing their balances. Just let's stop trading at mintpal and let's not make any single exchange as monopoly.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: kbroadfoot on May 26, 2014, 08:15:55 PM
Seriously disappointing. Mintpal should simply add BCT as a courtesy at this point...


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: DubFX on May 26, 2014, 08:45:52 PM
Seriously disappointing. Mintpal should simply add BCT as a courtesy at this point...
They should but they won't...


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: ciocgun on May 26, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
Mintpal very bad...

support Bct cause please


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: BitSmacker on May 27, 2014, 06:52:38 AM
I have no stake in the coin in question, this is just a general comment about MintPal.  MintPal has grown too fast and I expect issues to arise from this sooner rather than later.  I keep very little coinage in MintPal.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: HunterS on May 27, 2014, 08:13:19 AM
the whole mintpal voting is a load of shit.they just add what ever coin they want or who ever pays them the most.its fuking terrible what they do >:(


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: 111magic on May 27, 2014, 08:23:40 AM
"Accidentally" sent? This is absurd. This is a the very least voting manipulation and Mintpal is out of their minds to give back that BTC. It could have been used to encourage CryptoMeth voters to vote hard in the race for first. Now they have a nice 6K vote lead over Information Coin. Not saying this happened, but how can Mintpal decide on this at the 11th hour? The money was in there for days. You don't just accidentally send 7 BTC to the wrong address and not notice it for days. I am withdrawing all funds from Mintpal.  I am sure they will lose others business from this shady business practice.


Accidentally" sent!!!!

They can send me some accidental!!
 ;D
I could use it! :D


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: tonlong on May 27, 2014, 08:44:39 AM
The voting system not trust.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: uki on May 27, 2014, 09:09:47 AM
The whole issue, does not look very trustworthy (see the answer I got for my ticketon the first page of this thread), nevertheless I would avoid fuding Mintpal without having hard evidence. BCT has lost 20k votes, but these votes were not added to any other coin, neither none of BCT supporters has claimed  he/she sent that money to buy votes.
 


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: dbharathreddy on May 27, 2014, 09:15:52 AM
The whole issue, does not look very trustworthy (see the answer I got for my ticketon the first page of this thread), nevertheless I would avoid fuding Mintpal without having hard evidence. BCT has lost 20k votes, but these votes were not added to any other coin, neither none of BCT supporters has claimed  he/she sent that money to buy votes.
 

Mintpal is fckin scam man . Just they need money . If you have own coin pay them 20-30 BTC They will add you straight away . Still funny why people making mintpal bigger when we have alternate exchanges like Bittrex , Sharex , cryptsy . I hope we are making mintpal to grow it's not good. lets make other exchanges big . We don't want any exchange to be monopoly to rule us. What you say guys?


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: uki on May 27, 2014, 09:23:22 AM
@up
you may skip writing in bold and high font, and instead think about some valid argument to support your opinion.
I repeat, I am not happy about what happend, but I don't have hard evidence.
Without that, don't understand me wrong, one can write the same thing about any exchange, be it Cryptsy, bittrex, whoever.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: andyatcrux on May 28, 2014, 06:58:02 PM
The whole issue, does not look very trustworthy (see the answer I got for my ticketon the first page of this thread), nevertheless I would avoid fuding Mintpal without having hard evidence. BCT has lost 20k votes, but these votes were not added to any other coin, neither none of BCT supporters has claimed  he/she sent that money to buy votes.
 

Consider to that the BTC refund should have only deleted the votes by 7000, not 20000. They are claiming that 13k of the votes were all from fake accounts. Yet they have had this claim on their voting page for a long time:
"only registered users with a trade history are permitted to vote for coins"

So which is it? Fake accounts or not? Or is it being identified by IP addresses sharing multiple accounts? They have yet to provide any information that would suggest they are willingly being transparent about their process. It reeks of deception.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: SirChiko on May 28, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
The whole issue, does not look very trustworthy (see the answer I got for my ticketon the first page of this thread), nevertheless I would avoid fuding Mintpal without having hard evidence. BCT has lost 20k votes, but these votes were not added to any other coin, neither none of BCT supporters has claimed  he/she sent that money to buy votes.
 

Consider to that the BTC refund should have only deleted the votes by 7000, not 20000. They are claiming that 13k of the votes were all from fake accounts. Yet they have had this claim on their voting page for a long time:
"only registered users with a trade history are permitted to vote for coins"

So which is it? Fake accounts or not? Or is it being identified by IP addresses sharing multiple accounts? They have yet to provide any information that would suggest they are willingly being transparent about their process. It reeks of deception.

I doubt they will provide more concrete info that is true i don't belive it myself also but htey will just repeat the same over and over or ignore us totaly.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: jamieb81 on May 28, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
Yes exactly they have been ignoring all request of information about this and not responded to anyone


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: bri912678 on May 28, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
I don't like the idea of any exchange selling votes.


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: Rogier92 on June 07, 2014, 02:18:03 AM
Yellowcoin, which was added 2 months ago had A LOT of bot votes. And mintpal only removed a very few of them. I saw it happen with my own eyes 250 votes every 10 minutes. Now they are added  :D

[2014-05-26 17:46:17] <maccaspacca> Anyone here know what happened to the BCT votes....... went down real fast!
[2014-05-26 17:51:26] <MintPal-Jason> maccaspacca: Around 10k of the votes were from somebody who sent BTC there by accident, so they were removed
[2014-05-26 17:52:23] <maccaspacca> OK, that should still only drop the coin by 10K, more than that have been removed..... is there an implication of foul play?
[2014-05-26 17:55:13] <MintPal-Jason> maccaspacca: We routinely run our bot detection process to weed out accounts that are being used as voting bots. That was done earlier and a number of coins lost votes as a result
[2014-05-26 17:55:39] <maccaspacca> Thanks for the info


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: siameze on June 26, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
First off about 8 out of those top 10 coins are botting like mother fuckers, have you seen the ANN for cryptometh and a couple others.lol

Truth. I decided to take my trades elsewhere after they refuse to do anything about reddcoin's script. Suggests manipulations and security issues. The paid votes are fine, but when you bring bots in the mix it raises ethics questions. 


Title: Re: Mintpal Voting Hack Suggests Deep Security Problems
Post by: horiacretan on July 14, 2014, 04:44:24 AM
Why do you guys even bother voting on Mintpal is beyond me, i voted last year and never again, once i see coins with over 22 K votes that never get approved, it tells me that they do not care about the fact that, a coin has big community.

My 1st complain was when Crypto Rush was in it's prime and i told them how they should add more coins as they did, it would have encouraged arbitrage, thus more traffic and fair prices on coins all around.

They replied that even though Crypto Rush has a lot of coins, they also have many dead markets and they would not stand for that.

Soon after, they made an announcement, where they would limit deposits and withdrawals to only 5 per hour. Then again, i got angry and cursed them out also telling them, that move was suicidal for the exchange as i was trading heavy back and forth  between many exchanges, if there are no deposits how can you operate your exchange.

They replied that, is putting a strain on their servers.

i came back with, " You cannot run an exchange with 2 dollar servers, and i think you should get busy and upgrade before you are left behind"

The Voting system is a farce and always has been, but i have to say that is the only thing i really had a problem with.

So, i just think you guys should give other exchanges a chance and vote else where, cause it seems that Mintpal gives a chance only to the coins they want.

I already made the incident public on my Blog, and everyone is welcomed to either Boycott or search for some closure based on common sense, or answers from Mintpal staff.

https://cryptocointalk.com/blog/68/entry-120-list-of-all-scam-trading-platforms-and-crypto-currency-exchanges-and-their-owners/#commentsStart


Title: Mintpal sucks shit !
Post by: Spoetnik on July 14, 2014, 06:31:27 AM
nice old topic bump here lol

anyway MintPal has always been a shit hole joke from day 1 i figured..
and i was convinced when i seen them suck dry our jackpot coin community.
look at the JPC ANN page and you will see like 50 pages of people getting pissed right off about them fucking us for votes.

it's nothing but a huge manipulative deceitful cash grab for them, simple as that.

i refuse to have anything to do with them ever and i never registered there either.. fuck them !