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Title: This is a censorship forum. Post by: jekv2 on May 26, 2014, 08:16:50 PM This is a censorship forum.
Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Freely speak. Post by: qwk on May 26, 2014, 08:20:12 PM http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png
http://www.xkcd.com/1357/ Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Freely speak. Post by: u9y42 on May 26, 2014, 08:50:03 PM http://www.xkcd.com/1357/ You forgot to include the alt text for that comic: Quote I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express. Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Freely speak. Post by: bluefirecorp on May 26, 2014, 11:50:14 PM *snip* Whats this mean? I'm lost with it, over my head they say. It means just because you live in a country with free speech doesn't mean an online community (such as bitcointalk.org) allows you to host your bullshit statements on the site. Just because you have free speech doesn't mean you can go to the newspaper and say whatever you want. The newspaper can reject your submission, and there's nothing you can do about it. (Sure, you could start your own newspaper with blackjack and hooker, and then forget about the newspaper part, but that's beside the point). Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Free Speech. Post by: Foxpup on May 27, 2014, 02:57:26 AM More specifically, the First Amendment is prefaced with "Congress shall make no law..." It's a prohibition against the government censoring your speech. Private individuals on private property can do whatever they like. Websites such as this one are private property, and nobody has a right to do things on someone else's private property. You can only use a privately owned website to voice your opinion if the owner permits you to use their property this way, and they can revoke that permission at any time for any reason. The admins and mods have the absolute right to censor posts and ban people, and the First Amendment does not apply.
Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Free Speech. Post by: shorena on May 27, 2014, 07:56:14 AM -snip- Still dunno why he put the comic there ??? Let my try to explain. -snip- First Amendment to the United States Constitution. -snip- http://www.xkcd.com/1357/ Summary of comic: Allowing people to post on the internetz has nothing to do with 1st amendment rights. Whether you can post here or not has nothing to do with free speech. Thats not what free speech is about. ----------------------------- Got it now? Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Free Speech. Post by: qwk on May 27, 2014, 08:54:07 AM Still dunno why he put the comic there 1: I like comics.2: I love xkcd. 3: I regularly post xkcd strips on bitcointalk, whenever I deem appropriate. 4: People tend to confuse their constitutional rights with their legal relationship to non-government organizations (e.g. bitcointalk or a newspaper). The comic above explains the situation when it comes to your right to free speech. In a broader context, the same applies to other constitutional rights as well. Constitutions (not only the U.S. one) have the sole purpose of defining the relationship between state / government and citizen. They have nothing to do whatsoever with the legal relationship between citizens, be they individuals or private organizations like a newspaper or a web forum. It is important, or at least I personally consider it to be, to learn and make this distinction. Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Free Speech. Post by: Foxpup on May 28, 2014, 07:01:36 AM If anyone is curious why I have "First Amendment to the United States Constitution" in my sig, is to protect myself from outside of bitcointalk.org. *facepaw*Warning--any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government Undercover agents need not identify themselves as such, and that includes obeying instructions addressed to government agents.you do NOT have my permission They already don't have your permission unless you specifically give it. That's what warrants and subpoenas are for - so that they don't need your permission.The contents of this profile are private and legally privileged and confidential information, What legal privilege would that be, exactly? At the risk of stating the obvious, bitcointalk.org is not your lawyer, accountant, doctor, spiritual advisor, or spouse, so no privilege or confidentiality applies.You didn't think this through very well, did you? Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Free Speech. Post by: shorena on May 28, 2014, 10:43:19 AM This was an example. A lot of youtube accounts use it. Did you think this thoroughly? A billion flies cant be wrong... does this1 ring a bell maybe? It is working as good as chain letters and "forward this to 42 friends or you will die a virgin". [1] http://www.cnet.com/news/seen-that-privacy-chain-letter-on-facebook-ignore-it/ Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Free Speech. Post by: shorena on May 28, 2014, 11:39:09 AM -snip- Don't even know what these things you guys are talking about. Over my head again. I don't have a sense of humor sometimes, and am not a genius, So if you may, type in that someone would know what your talking about "laymen terms" phrased simply, without jargon. Write "lawyer sentence" in/on your profile/facebook account/youtube account changes nothing. Title: Re: This a thank you thread to theymos and mods. Censor-Free Forum. Post by: hilariousandco on May 28, 2014, 12:48:19 PM Define sensor-free and free-speech? Just because you may feel like you have free speech here doesn't mean everyone else has. Whilst this forum is pretty liberal and lax in punishing or restricting certain members and you can largely say and do what you want to a certain extent, they certainly do punish/restrict people they constitue as spammers (and occasionally disruptive trolls etc), and they also delete posts and threads and ban users. I'm not sure if free speech truly exists anywhere really. There's always going to be something you can't say or do. Is unlimited free speech even always a good idea? I think without some groundrules set in place it will obviously just lead to chaos, so sometimes an authority has to step in (but should do so minimally like they at least attempt to do here).
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