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So I just recently thought about the Apollo 11. It Is such a big event in all history and we all meant to believe that It Is true and during Apollo 11 mission 2 man really stepped on the Moons surface. A lot of people say that It Is fake and Armstrong and Buzz actually never landed on the Moon Surface?

Read here on wiki for more information : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

What do you think?

It happened.

I'd like you tell Buzz it didn't happen and see what happens.  ::)

Myself I'm on 50/50 , I just can't State that It happened because what do we really know Is only statement that It happened from Media. But curiosity really landed on Mars I guess so I'm more realistic about It.

I wouldn't be massively surprised if it did come out as fake, but assuming that it is true then what an achievement it was - though the cost was absolutely colossal!

I'd say they did launch and land but they migt've not walked on the moon. The photos look a bit fake.

No, it wasn't faked.


http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2013/4/11/231ce8da-58c1-45a6-ad15-896653769bc7.gif

To be fair, that guy: " In it, Sibrel stated, "I'd bet my life on it that we didn't go to the Moon."

So, technically, Buzz knows that he lost his bet, he had every right to punch him in the face as he forfeited his life.

They did launch but are you sure they landed? Is there any proof that they landed?

*shrugs*

I can't find a good rebuttal to why we have never gone back and now in 2014 China had great difficulty landing on the moon do I really think it went down back then.  Everyone from that time believes it happened so it did.. right :S..  I dunno I find it hard to believe we didn't but most peoples proof is "I saw it" and well... if that's your proof I could make you believe I am a god if you watch this video.

Because there's nothing of value on the moon, now if it had rare resources that'd be worth quite a bit in bulk, then we'd be up there drilling 24/7.

Take a look at a private corporation like SpaceX. I think, if a private corporation can get into the space game now-a-days, the government was able to do it decades ago with a much larger budget.

Ok maybe there  is nothing valuable there but why 1 or 2 times was not enough to fly there? According to wikipedia after Apollo 11 there was 5 more successful manned flights to the Moon and from 1972 no one was flying there anyone.

Here are some pictures of the last flight to the Moon Apollo 17.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/NASA_Apollo_17_Lunar_Roving_Vehicle.jpg/600px-NASA_Apollo_17_Lunar_Roving_Vehicle.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Apollo_17_rover_at_final_resting_site.jpg/597px-Apollo_17_rover_at_final_resting_site.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Apollo_17_Cernan_on_moon.jpg/581px-Apollo_17_Cernan_on_moon.jpg

I wonder why there are no stars in the sky?

http://science.howstuffworks.com/moon-landing-hoax1.htm (first point)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_of_Apollo_Moon_photographs#Absence_of_stars

Ok that explains It and Is It the same thing with the earth as there is no earth also?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

There's also the equipment they left behind on the moon, such as the Lunar Ranging Retroreflectors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment). Anyone with a powerful laser can zap it at the landing site and verify the presence of these devices.

And the moon rocks they brought back, which have been analysed by many independent geologists around the world and found to be not Earth rocks.

And the fact that the moon landings were conducted in the middle of the Space Race, with the Russians watching America's every move. The Russians were tracking American space launches on radar, and they'd be the first to call bullshit if they never happened.

No, you can see the Earth from the Moon just fine during the day (and vice versa), as long as you're on the side of the Moon facing the Earth, obviously. The Earth isn't visible in those photos for the simple reason that the camera wasn't pointed in Earth's direction.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Apollo_10_earthrise.jpg/600px-Apollo_10_earthrise.jpg

What a wonderful view of earth.. I`d just be paranoid all the time thinking the gravity is too weak so I`d fall off the moon.

So its real assuming which lead to the space program to launch all the way to apollo 18.

Someone has already explained that.


And also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e5CtbbZL-k  :D

Thanks for the response about  Lunar Ranging Retroreflectors. Everything you said makes sense and what a photographer that didn't take a pictures with seeing earth from the Moon that looks like an abvious thing to do but he didn't do It...

And Is this picture real , Earth with Moon that you posted or It's  just made with a computer program?

Russians said that they in 2020 will land on the moon... so it doesn't matter was Apollo story real or fake!

Haha, I totally thought it was fake lol.

I guess wikipedia wins.  :)

Could you link me the original link to this Russian project If they have one, and would be good in English version. So If It's True from about 2020 new cosmic era will start, Americans are also planning a mission which Is called Mars- One where they will sent a space craft to the Mars with a crew of 4 people from 2024. More information here : http://www.mars-one.com/

If this mission succeeds It will be a historical event which I'll be able to see :)

You may read about this here - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9141416/Russia-to-finally-send-man-to-the-Moon.html
Here - http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/30/259024/russia-to-launch-jupiter-mission-in-2020s/
And here http://rt.com/news/157800-russia-moon-colonization-plan/

The only language i can speak is English, so can't give you link to russian article but you may read this. If you will google "Russia to the moon 2020" you will find exactly what PizzaTraveler (gosh what a strange nickname) told us

My solution?

1) Build a lot of Saturn Vs
2) Strap all the Moon Hoaxers in to the nose cones
3) Wave bye-bye while they all go see for themselves whether the Moon landings were real or faked.

Sorry about my dark humor but that's about the only way you're going to convince most of those guys.

I wasn't sure because what I only knew that a lot of people were saying that It's fake but now when I got some facts on this thread, I also believe that It was real.

I am sure it's not a fake.

There are a number of ways to determine that the lunar landings were real.

First, the laser ranging.
Second, the rocks.  With a bit of study you too can go to the lunar rocks and understand why they could not have been created on Earth.
Third, the Lunar Recognisance Orbiter which we sent to the Moon in 2009, clearly photographed the Apollo landing sites.  You can even see the footprints.
Fourth, the preserved Apollo rocket at the Space Center in Houston.  Walk around that monster, you gonna know it launched people to the Moon.

2:34 for the Apollo 16 landing site visibles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJDxEkmjJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1LaRlGA85Y

But those were photo-shopped man! It's so fake, you can even see the lines they changed!

~Conspiracy fanatic

Interesting is that from that time no one set foot on the moon. Not even Russian, Chinese, American and any European.

All leading countries have capabilities to go there, why they only know answer to this question, for the rest we can say only this "It's real" or "It's a fake"

I have found a nice answer googling:

The Apollo 11 mission, and all other Apollo missions, were real.

The evidence -- and there's a mountain of it -- has been available for more than 40 years, and is the same evidence that the conspiracy theorists have been frantically (and ignorantly) trying to explain a away for 40 years. That is, the conspiracy theorists provide no evidence that it was fake, but simply handwave through a ridiculous exercise trying to show why you "shouldn't trust NASA."

No qualified astrophyscist believes the radiation was too harsh.

No qualified photo analyst believes the photographs were faked.

No qualified engineer believes the equipment wouldn't have worked.

No qualified geologist believes the Apollo samples are not from the Moon.

We have a mountain of evidence, and the conspiracy theorists acknowledge that. They simply try to say it was produced by hoax means. When one makes an affirmative rebuttal like that -- i.e., tries to explain that some OTHER hypothesis is responsible for our observations -- then they have the burden of proof. The conspiracy theorists who say a hoax occurred must back that up with evidence and detail.

Doesn't really matter now.


NASA no longer a top notch agency like it used to.

I also think taht it may be faked but we can't be sure...also ofc you can't see stars there if there is day time.

It was absolutely real.Why would someone fake this.Make use of little brain.

Can you imagine what it must be like for those connected to the moon landings; the astronauts, their families, the engineers, scientists etc when they hear people speculating its legitimacy. They would be so pissed off - no wonder Buzz ended up punching that troll interviewer.

Or maybe they're just scared that these people might expose THE TRUTH!  ;D

Haha, but anybody can deny something - even though it takes some audacity to do it to their face. I think that it would take something pretty spectacular to prove that it was fake.

I'm amazed that they managed to supposedly pull something like that off back in those days.

The Soviets had put the first man in space, the Russian Yuri Gagarin. For this reason, the US wanted to be the first on the moon. The moon is not that far, 356,400 km to 406,700 km. Compare it to the distance to mars (average) 225.000.000 km

Sure, its was complex mission to put a person on the moon, and it could have been faked. But after ww2, they had the rocket technology (Operation Paperclip) to do the initial work. I think it is unlikely to be faked. Its generally seen as a big deal, but really, the moon is like a fish in the ocean.

Just because something is possible it doesn't mean that it is real, right? It does make it plausible though.

Right, it makes it plausible. If it really happend, I dont know

i have no idea!

Its real, because most people think it is :)

Is that how reality works these days? Reality through consensus haha. Proof-of-Reality.

real, that is all.

other conspiracies maybe, but not this one :)

Probably It was real because but I just can't guarantee 100%. Look at the future missions here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_missions_to_the_Moon  a lot of manned moon landing missions in 2020 year and + interesting how many of them will come reality. Should be fun to see them.

There's a particularly funny talk Neil deGrasse Tyson gave about science illiteracy in which he mentions this conspiracy theory (and a couple of others for good measure): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtZ05XHkT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtZ05XHkT0). I'd recommend the whole thing if you have the time, but jump to about 13m20s for the relevant part.



The moon doesn't have an atmosphere, so you'd be able to see the stars just fine, even with the sun overhead. But of course, as others pointed out, you can't see them in the pics due to the limitations of the cameras.

It happened.

Luckily the poll is revealing that it wasn't a conspiracy, a fake landing, I'm almost sure of it too.

It's got nothing to do with the cameras, your eyes have the same limitation. The Earth's atmosphere does not block light from the stars. Why do you think you can see them at night (if you live sufficiently far from a city)?

it real

Why would anyone think this is fake? when apollo 13 happened.. its why they continue their nasa program for the apollo project.

whoa whoa whoa, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. We don't even know a priori that the moon is even real

Can't fake something this big.

Having volunteered at JPL (dad worked there a bit) I'm pretty confident it was real.

Plus the Russians would have totally called BS back then.  If they're willing to put nukes on Cuba calling out the US on worldwide press would be like a birthday gift  ;D

That's true..They won't get nothing either. By faking such a thing. ::)

Real! The nonsense about the Moon landing being faked was started by a FOX TV show I've heard. Scientists have refuted it many times. Several people have given much proof that the moon landing was real. I need not repeat it. I see five thumbs downs for people who say the Moon landing was real. Whoever did that is ignorant and hateful. The First Amendment gives Americans freedom of speech, but some ignorant people on here only want their wrong opinions to be shown. That is disastrous. A system that allows such things is bad.

Only idiots would think it wasn't real at this point.

10 reasons I know the Apollo 11 moon landing was faked
 

    1.There were three men on the Apollo 11 spacecraft. That means that the odds of someone dying at any given point in the mission were one in three... YET NO ONE DID!


    2.The moon is approximately six kajillion miles away. It is impossible to travel that far because "kajillion" is a made-up word and not a measurable distance. You would be travelling forever!


    3.If men had landed on the moon, this would have angered the lunar vampires we know to live there, sparking a war between Earth and the lunar vampires that would currently be ravaging both worlds. No such war appears to be taking place.  Yet it is. The government is just covering that up, too. But it wasn't started by an incursion on their territory, it was started during a dispute over the ownership of a mule named Paco.


    4.This so-called "moon" that supposedly orbits our planet cannot be real because the teachings of Septon the Inquisitor tell us that life is an illusion and the real waking state does not come until we die and arrive, ironically, on the moon which is where people go when they die. I know it sounds confusing, but it makes a lot more sense after you watch the informational video and relinquish all your wordly possessions.


    5.The entire trip supposedly took 8 days yet at no point are the astronauts shown on live TV defecating.  And no one outside of NASA employees, some contractors, government inspectors, EPA officials, family and friends of the astronauts and the astronauts themselves has ever even seen any of the mythical poop bags from the supposed flight. WHERE ARE THE POOP BAGS??? Without defecating, they would have exploded after day 4.


    6.Cary Elwes played command module pilot Michael Collins in "From the Earth to the Moon". Cary Elwes is an actor who was also in "Glory" and "The Princess Bride", therefore we know the entire mission was faked.


    7.A lot of the communication between the LEM, command module and Capcom is filled with static which is just how someone would fake such communication in order to make it sound real. Which it isn't.


    8."Buzz"?  That's not even a name. It's a sound that bees make.


    9.Three men in a confined space for 8 days and there's no gay sex? Right. Any graduate of a British boarding school for boys would tell you that's impossible.


    10.I was a hollow shell of a person with few interpersonal relationships before I began to believe the moon landings were faked. Now I have a purpose and set of shared beliefs with a small cadre of others and we have achieved a modicum of fame for ourselves as noted kooks, fame we would never have been able to otherwise achieve because we have no natural talents.


That last one alone should convince anyone.
http://johnmoltz.com/post/146407206/10-reasons-i-know-the-apollo-11-moon-landing-was-faked/John_Moltz/Return.html

Where do you get this chance of one in three from?  I don't think this is a valid assumption.
  

Can't tell for sure, but there is plenty of reasons to suspect it's fake. Some of the reasons are, USS Liberty, JFK , MLK, RFK, Gulf of Tonkin, Afghanistan, Iraq,  9/11, Boston, Sandy Hook, not to mention the photo anomalies and the radiation belt. Need I say more?

It's been 40 years since Armstrong landed on the moon, so why hasn't anyone gone up there again? Why hasn't another country developed the means to travel to the moon?
I also saw a documentary about how the entire thing was a hoax, but that was a while ago. Have they proved that the moon landing was not a hoax?

The Chinese have a robotic moon mission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program)  I think, the cost of going to the moon is higher than the benefits;

Other than needing Helium-3 for potential fusion reactors I don't see any exploitable materials on the moon.  I'm sure the worldwide petroleum industry would bribe and payoff enough people to not see that happen in our lifetime.

Absolutely.  Every time one died another clone was taken from the clone locker and inflated.  We know for a fact these guys all acted weird after they got back from the moon that's why cuz it wasn't really the same guys. 

I don't believe they would waste all the time and money to fake a project that big just to impress the Russians.

Where do you all found this I must say wonderful things sometimes even exceeds my co worker who loves to see and look for this stuff including UFO sighting.

Of course it's fake. Conspiracy Theory Rule #1: Do NOT talk about the conspiracy. This was simple for the Apollo project. The more people you have, the less likely it is that somebody will talk. In this case, Thousands of people involved in the conspiracy have kept their mouths shut thus keeping the conspiracy intact. Can we move on now? Shouldn't we be talking about Roswell or something?

Yes, I've occasionally ventured out and looked up to see those mysterious shiny things beyond the street lamps. :P

I didn't mean to say that having an atmosphere (like Earth's) automatically prevented you from seeing the stars (in that respect, the effect is negligible to what we were discussing); I should have been more clear in how I phrased it, but you aren't doing me any favors by omitting and apparently ignoring the post I was answering to and which I quoted in my reply.

other countries like China would or Russia would looooooooooove to debunk a fake landing, but if they get a satelite close enough to the surface, the landing site, the tracks, and yes even the flag can be seen. 

If you watch ''NASA's Unexplained files'' You'll be able to figure out what happened during those Missions. Of course ALIENS...NASA hide all the Information about existent of aliens. NASA knows Aliens exists. >:(

As real as imagination could be.

Till discussion keeps rolling here I would like to make poll active for voting again but I don't see such option, probably It's impossible to make poll active again on this thread?

Also I read somewhere that 20% of russians doesn't believe that It was real :D

Does that mean that 80% of them believe that it was real?

Most probably do not even care.

NASA uploaded restored  apollo 11 video to youtube


here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HdPi9Ikhk

He'll send you to the moon by kicking your ass I guess :D Then you can see for yourself that all those artifacts still reside on the shiny gray surface of your beloved natural satellite!

Fake because there is no wind in moon and the flag is clearly showing sign of wind.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/moon-landing-hoax2.htm

It happened, it is real

I think it is real, American space competitor Russia have space station and satellites and would know if it is fake.

I think its real....today we can judge photos/videos and most of the time pretty easily detect if it is real or fake.  You are telling me a video made almost 50 years ago, we still can't tell if it is fake or not?  That also means you still believe we are unable to go to the moon because the lunar lander is still there.  If it was fake, you don't think the russians would have kept trying to get there to prove that the USA was not there?  come on people are always bringing up silly crap because they just don't want the truth.

Yes it's true and I don't see any real reason why it could be considered fake after all those years.

I'm 100 % sure it is real. They have evidences, they bring lunar rocks which not found on earth. They have videos and pictures and the flag and other equipment is still there left on the moon. And Apollo 11 is not the only mission that walks on the moon many other missions followed after that.

shits real its in the wikipedia.

You do know wikipedia has an edit button.. right? and you
can post and edit anything..
like anything...

People walking on the moon. That's so unbelievable! But I guess they actually went there! NASA did some crazy things back then! I wish I could go to the moon one day...

but personally i do believe it exists and is real

It is very real. Take off your tinfoil hat

It is real, at that time Nasa has trillions of budget because of the Space war with Soviet Union.

Yes, Wikipedia has an edit button and people can edit articles themselves, but there is still a review process, which will in most cases catch nonsense people might add: try editing the relevant articles there to say the Moon landing is nothing but a fake and see how it goes. :P

That said, people should not take everything they see in the site at face value, and should still go look at the sources in which the information is based; that's why you have the references there.

So how do people actually question this?

I guess my reason behind it is simple: 

The soviet union never questioned it, they were in a race and absolutely hated the USA, why if it was fake would they not argue about it....seriously?

The rocks they collected on the Moon are still proven to be not from Earth....are you suggesting they went somewhere other than the moon?

Lastly, the reflector mirrors they placed on the moon are still used to this day to bounce a laser off and return the beam in 2.5 seconds, do you suggest the mirrors were already placed there by someone else?