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https://www.betarigs.com/rig/1713

https://www.betarigs.com/list?miner_type=5&rig_size=4%2C5&rent_duration=3%2C6%2C12%2C24%2C48%2C72%2C168&support=0&quality=0

3x Phaethon PCI-E FPGA board   27 Mh/s   0.01512 BTC    0.0006 BTC   Rent now!

Mining rig #1713 3x Phaethon PCI-E FPGA board
Experimental 3x Phaeton PCI-E FPGA card worked at dedicated server

Neat...but what is the price?

where do I buy the board?

so 1 give you 9MH/s, dunno about the price, but i don't think it can beat a 750ti, with the upcoming boost(2.8MH/s)

Where do you buy one? Cannot find and info on google.

Waiting for DRK bagholders saying all FPGAs are fake and chinese farmers with 2GH/s don't exist.

considering price/performance (didn't find phaeton fpga, so based on pci-e fpga board) it is about 2x 780ti for somewhat less than the price of one (addind the cost of the code would certainly add to the price though... it won't be free to do shitcoins).
Not bad but not exceptional either (don't know if you can put more chip per board or anything like that)

edit: Now if we compare to the performance of the forthcoming gtx880 (5x more core than the 750ti and assuming linear scaling) a gtx880 would beat it with around 10~11mh/s for about the same price tag and a better resell value... higher power usage though)

edit2: actually if those three are in india, it might be those gtx880 engineering samples  ;D

That's still doesn't explain anything... I mean the high hash rate is certainly more related to the rig renting than the fpga by themselve

You know how to use google?

Maybe you should google us the email addresses of the four corporate heads who back your project?

Or maybe google their websites since you only linked one of them?

What kind of multi-million dollar business doesn't have a website?




But about the FPGA, it's FUD.

it's not fud, it's crap, it don't bring any advantage compared to a 750ti

I need to buy at least 3 of this fpga board in my rig if it is avialble. :(

but there is no where to be found.

would it be possible in one or two month time ? (the X11 didn't really start before that)

That's just my wild guess, I'm not an expert.
If someone already has multi-FPGA board and this board can pump data with 512 bits * 300 MHz rate between chained FPGAs, then development time would be weeks, not months. I expect unrolled implementations of most hash functions to produce one hash value per cycle, and LX150 can run at 300 MHz doing crypto tasks despite high toggle rate, as been proved by Bitfury. Another question - is such data rate between FPGAs possible at all? Well, data transfer doesn't need to be 100% reliable, implementing some error correction code shouldn't take too much LUTs, hashing engine and i/o can sit on different clocks, looks like there are enough diffio pairs in top LX150 variants. Again - anyone with actual field knowledge is welcome to correct me!

9 mh/s per board, still looks like they are still in the development process. But that's just a little more efficient than a 750ti, I would have expected in the ball park of 20~30 mh/s per board. No matter what, this is signalling that within a year to year and a half, that an ASIC more likely will surface. This is just my assumption.

one year is plenty of time(even 6 months are enough) to move on another algo, and repeat this process for every asic that will come

You won't need to wait a year to see x11 asics.

they know already...  check darkcointalk forum. :)

Is there any source for anything? Who is developing this?

I heard long ago the x11 FPGAs exist in China. This just shows it was propably true

Probably true for x13 too as the profit dropped so much compare to x11.

sorry don't believe it.
It is just people using betarig a lot...
The profit on X13 has decreased because of lack of interest and the few profitable X13 coins are now POS only...

true, renting is even more of a threat than asic

one guy can control 1 giga easily for 3 hours without investing too much

so mining x11 and x13 is no good anymore? we are doomed with gpu mining now

never were good in the first place. If you count only on X11 and X13, yes you are probably doomed
(but you can play doom  ;D)

GPU mining is not profitable anymore even with x11 or x13 or any other so called asic proof algorithm and even scrypt-n asics are in development .The future of GPU mining looks quite dark.

you heard of doom 4?  ;D


not really, 750ti rig are very good if you know what you are doing

there are plenty of algo out there, gpu can't die

x11 asic? well go to x13 , asic here as well? go to blake, hefty1, or any other combination

but one thing is true, amd gpu are dead

Is investing in scrypt safe in  current situation ?

+1 :D

No not really

You guys are crazy. My amd 280x rigs are doing just fine on any
algo.  Gpu mining is not dead, and nvidia and amd are about tie
for now.

Pssst! They just trying to scare off old miners and keep new ones out.

you must be a serious noob to be thinking that. FPGA is here for X11, it may be private atm, but it will be released sooner or later

i remember when peopel didnt believe ASICs for scrypt too. just few months back :)

Even if FPGA are here, 750ti's at less than $150 a pop are doing just fine right now.  FPGAs won't kill GPUs, just like they didn't kill them with SHA.  Wasn't til ASICs that GPUs couldn't do SHA.  Same here.  Stop the FUD.

New fpga proof...

http://imgur.com/TsE8YWg (http://imgur.com/TsE8YWg)

ltcgear starting selling fpga x11 farm shares, meaning fpga mining x11 is already dead, asics are coming...

Scrypt was FPGA resistant, but dedicated ASICs beat it. X11 and the others are not FPGA resistant, and some algorithms  can be efficiently implemented in a chip/FPGA. I'm sure that some have the good FPGA hardware to implement that...

We can just expect that the FPGA implementation is power efficient but with a limited hashrate power for now...

not convincing  ;D and it doesn't matter in regards of the renting business...

Here are publicly available FPGA source code for most/all of the algorithms: http://cryptography.gmu.edu/athena/index.php?id=source_codes

I also have Asic x11  ;D

6x750Ti - x11 - 410W

[2014-07-29 00:43:44] Stratum detected new block
[2014-07-29 00:43:44] GPU #5: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 2653 khash/s
[2014-07-29 00:43:44] GPU #4: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 2659 khash/s
[2014-07-29 00:43:44] GPU #1: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 2653 khash/s
[2014-07-29 00:43:44] GPU #3: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 2669 khash/s
[2014-07-29 00:43:44] GPU #2: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 2642 khash/s
[2014-07-29 00:43:44] GPU #0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 2659 khash/s
[2014-07-29 00:43:46] accepted: 5/5 (100.00%), 15913 kh/s (13402-46) - Yay

not new... and that still doesn't proof anything  ;D
(and fpga perf would be about the same as a gpu... )

4X280X-x11-410W

17.8m/s

seem more ... ;D

Asics won't kill GPUs but all the scam coins will kill GPUs.

https://www.betarigs.com/rig/8115
It seems like progress is not standing still.
28 MH/s per board already.  :o

Well, maybe.  But I guess that depends on what all you are calling "scam coins".  Some people would argue that there are no real coins left to GPU mine.  Others would say new altcoins help GPU miners stay in business.  It's the blessing and curse of the free market I suppose...


Certainly has people taking note...

How much would one of these 280W 28Mhs FPGA boards cost?

True , and with more and more pump n dump coins in the market , ROI on GPU is getting even more difficult.

there is no ROI anymore for GPU

I just got 10 MH/s worth of power... wonder how fast the new asics will be. Right now I'm getting pretty nice returns.

http://www.subeimagenes.com/thumb/multiwallet-1049222.jpg (http://www.subeimagenes.com/img/multiwallet-1049222.html)
550 GH/s on X11 MultiWalletCoin

X11 fpga working now?
Testing?

Don't think that FPGA have too much power as for now.
We have only 8 boards @28MH/s.  8)

yeah... some pics would be nice.
They know how to program fpga but aren't able to take a picture...  ::)
(and this has been going for month...)

If you look at the number of FPGA logical elements needed to implement each of the X11 algorithms ( see the Athena source code link posted earlier ) and then look at the number of LE's available on all the affordable Xilinx and Altera FPGA devices you'll notice that it'd be hard to fit more than one or two of the unrolled X11 algorithms into a single FPGA. So you'd have to assume that any X11 FPGA implementation would take multiple FPGAs and require software coordination between them to implement the X11 suite. Additionally, because of the chained nature of the X11 algorithm, you'd be performing these 11 algorithms in series, so the speed of the device would be limited to the speed of the slowest algorithm. If you refer again to the Athena source code, you'll see some performance metrics for the various implementations.

These two observations should allow you to assess the relative cost and performance of a hypothetical X11 FPGA implementation.
My takeaway when I looked at this problem is that even though source code for the different algorithms exists in the pubic domain, a full implementation of the X11 suite in a multi-fpga PCI-e based system using commercially available prototyping boards  ( for example, http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=205&No=816 (http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=205&No=816) or http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/EK-S6-SP605-G.htm (http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/EK-S6-SP605-G.htm) ) would be fairly expensive and not blazingly fast.

On the other hand, if you were prepared to implement a custom board with the right mix of inexpensive Xilinx or Altera FPGAs instead of using commercially available development kits and manufacture in quantity so you could get good prices on the FPGA components, then it might be worthwhile.

Thats my take away. YMMV.

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Is that similar to 'Brace For Impact' ?

~L)L~

why put this shit here. no1 cares as this is a thread about X11 FPGA not URO....

yeah indeed gtfo with your URO scam coin

There are X11 FPGAs running in the wild.

http://www.getacoder.com/projects/fpga%20miner%20for%20x_164338.html

sorry  ;D
But this isn't a proof of anything.
Asking for someone to code something is entirely different from having the code and hardware working.

and the funny thing is that they are asking for c++ code for fpga

indeed, no proof but very strong indication what's out there

just stumbled over this site on a quick shot
it's dated back in may and there are several seriously looking offers for this demand

it's for sure not the only request + offers you will find in the internet (and consider coders doing this for their own profit not telling anyone)
if only one deal took place, there are X11 FPGAs

Nobody competent is going to design this guy a X11 FPGA for $1-5K LOL. And its not a job for C, its a job for VHDL or Verilog.

Anybody with the knowledge and experience to do this will keep it for themselves. And they won't be yakking about it on the internet.

To get a hashrate of 4Mh/s you'd need a 10,000$ device, that's just the cost of the FPGA. You still need to design and place it on a board.