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Sent BTC to bitcointoss.com yesterday and won but have not yet received my winning payment. As of this post my sent transaction has 167 conformations. No contact info on the site, any suggestions?

up to 360 conformations now and still nothing received

Here is the info for the BTC sent

Status: 369 confirmations
Date: 2/11/2012 14:54
To: 1BRJ3xdofpTjd1PCHt2phtf6oEzT7MXgtf
Debit: -0.20 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -0.2005 BTC


And here is the image of the web page after I won

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/266/bitcointoss211201234802.jpg


Anybody had a problem like this before or no how I can go about getting it resolved?
Like I said previously there is no contact info on the site itself.

whois information:


Doesn't tell us much.

I had this problem with 1 or 2 of the 50/50 games, I forget wich ones, but this is probably one of them.

from my post on thebitcoinreview
http://www.thebitcoinreview.com/site.php?site_id=839

Think everyone should be aware of sites that may have been operating and working normally over six months ago but have been left up and running currently in hopes of just taking your coins. This is wat conclusion I came too with bitcointoss.com back in February.

After deciding to try out the site I sent .2 BTC to the address provided by the site. This being a one time usage address since after the flip is won or loss your winnings are sent back to you with an address you provide. Luckily I won my first toss. However after waiting 3 or 4 days I never received my payment.

Thread I started concerning no payment
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63615.0

Upon looking more closely at the site I see there is no way to contact anyone with problems or issues about the site. No contact info nothing. This should be a BIG red flag to anyone considering gambling coins on any site. So after exploring a little more I find the original post from the author had announced the game the site offered. Also in that thread on the very last page very last post the author announced he was no longer supporting that site.

announcement thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6526.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6526.msg147714#msg147714

Said or offered nothing on the first page. Then he uses another page to mention he is no longer going to be on the forum for anybody trying to get in touch with him. So after looking around more I find he is also running btcriches.com, bitcoindouble.com and bitcoinbalance.com btcriches.com also had no contact info no did bitcoindouble. bitcoinbalance however is suppose to be the wallet service for those two sites. It had a single admin email from which I got no response

the thread for anybody trying to contact him
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=31524

Just feel people should know these sites were setup and running and are still running however any issues arising from these sites which were left running players are unable to get help. Like I said I got lucky I won my first time. No telling how much people have lost and never even knew had they won chances are they would not of been paid. Find it pretty shady. Something else I found to be shady were two sites also from the same author

bitcoinsecurity.com
bitcoinsafety.com

Both with links to bitcointoss on them.

Detailed Whois for each site
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcointoss.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcriches.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoindouble.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinbalance.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsafety.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsecurity.com.html

has your 0.2 been spent? do you mind telling us which address you sent it to?

I sent BTC and won 4 about 3 days ago.  Still nothing. :(

I used to get referrals too, I'd try referring my self to see if I get a pay out, but I think we all know the answer, and I don't want to drop any coins into it.

Need to look around and see where I posted my referral links so I can remove them, if possible.

Same problem. I bet and won a bit, but was never paid anything.

The transaction is posted above, now with 8358 confirmations

Status: 8358 confirmations
Date: 2/11/2012 14:54
To: 1BRJ3xdofpTjd1PCHt2phtf6oEzT7MXgtf
Debit: -0.20 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -0.2005 BTC

looks like we can add btcflip to the list also.

"http//btcflip.com = nonpayment after 24h admin contacted"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75793.0

http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcflip.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/flipforbits.com.html

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A year ago this month a forum member named doood started a thread for his gambling site bitcointoss. Within a month he changed his forum nickname and also posted that he was no longer supporting the site

Bitcoin Toss - Flip a coin and win double your entry! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6526.0)
"As of now, I am no longer supporting this site" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6526.msg147714#msg147714)

After the first post below the next three post contain quotes from his original nickname "doood"

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4641/alexbeckenhamisdoood.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4229/dooodisalexbeckenham.jpg


A year later bitcointoss and other sites of concern are consuming coins from trusting players. Those that lose may send more coins and try again and those that win wait for there coins to be sent back, but soon find that none are being sent, and then they find many other player with the same story

Attempts have been made to question wat is going on but with little contact information being provided if any on the sites there are very few details to assist in getting any answers.

Still dispensing addresses to anyone that request and still consuming coins from trusting bitcoin patrons

 doood aka Alex Beckenham aka STIFF has yet to respond

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9807/bitcointoss.th.jpg (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/bitcointoss.jpg/)http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2272/btcflip.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/btcflip.jpg/)http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4719/bitcoindouble.th.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/bitcoindouble.jpg/)http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7591/btcriches.th.jpg (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/btcriches.jpg/)http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6174/bitcoinbalance.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/bitcoinbalance.jpg/)

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4338/bitcointossmini.jpghttp://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5517/btcflipmini.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6012/bitcointosswhois.jpghttp://img85.imageshack.us/img85/327/btcflipwhois.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5575/bitcoinbalanceminia.jpghttp://img716.imageshack.us/img716/258/bitcoinbalancewhois.jpg


http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3952/bitcoinbalanceparticipa.jpghttp://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9526/bitcoinbalancefaq.jpg

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9828/btcrichesmini.jpghttp://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9972/bitcoindoublemini.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3285/btcricheswhois.jpghttp://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1879/bitcoindoublewhois.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9186/changesname.jpg


The post above shows dooods quotes now showing as "Alex Beckenham" after changing it that day or the day before. Then he states  he is no longer supporting the site. The post below he made two months later and that account hasn't been active since. His sites however are still running and been getting free adverting and support from the forum all year long



http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1994/awol.jpg



Sites like these are not offering enough details or contact information to even consider risking coins. They are stiffing people that are winning coins. How can they be trusted to run a fair game. Have to watch out for -EV prior to ever even gambling.




How many more coins must be scammed by this stiff? Let him come speak for himself. As I don't see this happening any post of doood tagged "Alex Beckenham" need to be and should of already been deleted. Every coin that these stiff sites scam players out of are coins that legit sites will never see.


http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcointoss.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcriches.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoindouble.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinbalance.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsafety.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsecurity.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcflip.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/flipforbits.com.html

I just made a bet, won, and then saw this thread, and thought all hope was lost. Then I received my winnings.

Granted, it was a .01 bet, so it's not much, but here's the info on it...

Sent to: 1hAmzFduYPzUmvdyq8AdaDXZ41Xc7fspk (tx id 16469fe3101473eb78bafbcb5b9ec01dff212a07f4d44c160462d593fdc50b07)

Received to: 1LtM42kh8AviELwAbGbxCw3VggKvnpTvUW (tx id 8602cf7703e05468f4049ec75121f172dde1a1cbdd0710f5eb68c69fdb184a99)

Its unattended mate, try making a bet of 1btc and see what happens.

Yeah unfortunately unsuspecting bitcoin supporters are going to continue losing their coins. Whois now shows a new registrar has registered the domain name for another year.
I'm sure the other affiliated domains will be renewed as they expire also. Spends $5 and can make that back with just 1 coin.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/945/whoisbitcointoss.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/945/whoisbitcointoss.jpg


http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcointoss.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcriches.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoindouble.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinbalance.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsafety.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsecurity.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcflip.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/flipforbits.com.html

Is this not in explicit violation of GoDaddy terms of service?

http://www.godaddy.com/legal-agreements.aspx

Report abuse here:

https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=22420

spam report?

what spam?

This from: https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=22420

Outright fraud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud) is an illegal activity and should clearly qualify as an abuse of their services. Yes?

So about 2hrs after making my post above I receive this PM.



I am posting this here now so any continued dialog will be transparent and informative for anyone interested to see. I feel at this point complete transparency is needed on behalf of Alex if he wishes to respond to my concerns about his website which for me began 3 months ago with the starting of this thread post #1.

However post #13 on the previous page is the main bulk of the issue at hand and it is this mainly that the transparency in his response is needed.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63615.msg848521#msg848521

In the private message sent to me it was signed Alex so that is wat I will refer to you as and if you wish to do so you may respond here.

Light at the end of the tunnel perhaps ?

I will go back through my transactions and work out how much i wasted on each site.

iirc:
flip site 1: 3 btc
flip site 2: 1 btc
flip site 3: 0.7 btc
btriches (safe cracking thing): 0.5 btc.

should everything be resolved (for myself and other members) Id be happy to move it out of the scam lists.
It would have to go through the review process again and any issues of non payment would bounce it straight back out the list.

I would not be so quick he needs to explain things. As well as answer any question that may arise. i have a feeling he will chose not to though.

I think you are quite incorrect and are simply searching for the next Bitcoin drama. Alex used to be very involved with Bitcoin whhen I was before my hiatus, and I trust him completely. I was very surprised to see this site listed as a scam and am glad he sent you that PM.

Alex always took time to respond to any questions and addressed all concerns in the past. I doubt now will be any different.

What he said in his PM makes sense, I'm not really sure what other sort of explanation you are waiting for.

John

Interesting that we don't have an update on this story, neh?

Think its pretty obvious wat was/is going on here. Once another poster brought up the potential violation of TOS and the info with whom the sites are now registered being posted. He finally felt it was best to make an appearance and appease the minute amount of BTC that had recently been complained about.

Maybe saving the year long renewal and the money spent doing that and perhaps with hopes of regaining some trust for the sites generating income.

If only the winning players not receiving a payment was the only inclination of being defrauded and of those how many would decide to post about it?

How many made an effort to locate or track who scammed them? Of those how many complained with emails and private messages that did not post about it? Yet nothing was ever mentioned about those peoples bitcoins.

The amount paid out now is so miniscule to how much is being taken in that it would of been asinine to not renew and attempt this weak effort to refute wats been revealed.

Thanks John. I suppose the problem is that traveling is a lot more fun than coming back to this forum to be interrogated. I came back, check that my sites were working properly and paid out those who had issues, but still I get grief from the likes of stoppots.

I'm also not sure what else he expects me to say. I looked briefly at post #13 but don't really see any questions.

Anyway, take it or leave it. I don't care either way anymore.