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Title: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: serenitys on June 04, 2014, 01:05:52 AM
Just a "what if" scenario that made me wonder if it was possible to do, and if it is possible and was done, what the end result would be.

1.instead of selecting a transaction fee option, set a static transaction fee no matter what the amount is. This was in response to the miners choosing the transactions with higher fees so they get more and ones with zero fees get sent to the back of the line. Is there a way to just set it at something and everybody gets that amount.

2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: neofelis on June 04, 2014, 01:32:06 AM

2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.



I don't recommend inflating bitcoin. It dilutes it's value and is unnecessary. 


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: franky1 on June 04, 2014, 01:53:30 AM
Just a "what if" scenario that made me wonder if it was possible to do, and if it is possible and was done, what the end result would be.

1.instead of selecting a transaction fee option, set a static transaction fee no matter what the amount is. This was in response to the miners choosing the transactions with higher fees so they get more and ones with zero fees get sent to the back of the line. Is there a way to just set it at something and everybody gets that amount.

2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.


1. bitcoin tax is not needed until 2140.. long after we are 6feet under. the only reason people pay the bitcoin tax now is not to have a healthy system, not because it helps bitcoin be faster. its because mining pool owners are greedy and selfish. feeding them with fee's makes them less pressured to holdout for a higher sell price, thus making them sell cheaper, causing price drops. so dont feed their appetites.

2. every 4 years bitcoin production halves.. which causes a bitcoin VALUE increase. but doubling bitcoin production every 5-10 years, means that after 12 million coins have been made in the last 5 years. you think that 24million coins should be made in the next 5 years, then 48 million 5  years after that.. ... i guess you need to go back to school and learn some economics


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: twistyfy on June 04, 2014, 03:32:24 AM
Just a "what if" scenario that made me wonder if it was possible to do, and if it is possible and was done, what the end result would be.

1.instead of selecting a transaction fee option, set a static transaction fee no matter what the amount is. This was in response to the miners choosing the transactions with higher fees so they get more and ones with zero fees get sent to the back of the line. Is there a way to just set it at something and everybody gets that amount.

2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.


I wouldnt advise that


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: Light on June 04, 2014, 03:32:48 AM
Just a "what if" scenario that made me wonder if it was possible to do, and if it is possible and was done, what the end result would be.

1.instead of selecting a transaction fee option, set a static transaction fee no matter what the amount is. This was in response to the miners choosing the transactions with higher fees so they get more and ones with zero fees get sent to the back of the line. Is there a way to just set it at something and everybody gets that amount.

2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.


Transaction fees are fine as they are at the moment, as they are proportional to the size of the transaction and hence are fair. Miners *should* be accepting fees based not on the absolute transaction fee but rather the fee relative to the size of the tx.

As for the second, it achieves nothing except consistently devaluing Bitcoins. Why would we need that?


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: Harley997 on June 11, 2014, 03:28:54 AM
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2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.

This would essentially be a "stock split" and the price of BTC would react accordingly - if everyone with any BTC now has exactly double the amount of BTC then the price of BTC will fall by exactly 1/2 and the market cap will stay exactly the same.


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: haploid23 on June 11, 2014, 03:33:37 AM
2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.

This is one of the worst ideas. Part of why bitcoin is attractive is because it has a known limited amount. If it indefinitely increases, that just dilutes the existing ones, and is no better than all the world government currently printing worthless fiat.


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: Harley997 on June 11, 2014, 03:55:47 AM
2. every 5-10 years, bitcoin doubles in amount. Granted, it'd be making new bitcoin out of thin air but kind of a built in way to accumulate more bitcoin.

This is one of the worst ideas. Part of why bitcoin is attractive is because it has a known limited amount. If it indefinitely increases, that just dilutes the existing ones, and is no better than all the world government currently printing worthless fiat.

A better alternative is to increase the number of decimals that BTC can be divides by when the price of uBTC get to get too high


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: Ron~Popeil on June 11, 2014, 04:06:31 AM
I could see maybe adding a POS system to keep the supply around 21 million in the distant future. It would have to be through a math based algorithm though so that no one person could change it.


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: PolarPoint on June 11, 2014, 04:09:46 AM
If there is a static transfer fee, there are no incentives for miners to include large transactions (multiple input addresses) in the blockchain. They may never be confirmed. There is no one static fee that fits all transaction sizes, this is how the bitcoin transaction works.


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: Harley997 on June 11, 2014, 04:17:55 AM
If there is a static transfer fee, there are no incentives for miners to include large transactions (multiple input addresses) in the blockchain. They may never be confirmed. There is no one static fee that fits all transaction sizes, this is how the bitcoin transaction works.

Are you talking about large TX in terms of KB or in terms of BTC?

If in terms of KB then yes you are correct as it would take up more of their block, but in terms of BTC it would not affect miners


Title: Re: Can these things be implemented into bitcoin?
Post by: keithers on June 11, 2014, 04:58:53 AM
Inflating btc like that defeats one of the main purposes of its creation to Begin with...