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An interesting flowchart on marriage rules in Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.596691.1401815653!/image/1806099279.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/1806099279.jpg

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/shavuot/.premium-1.596576

 The issue is that there is no civil marriage, only religious marriage within the state. This means, if someone wants to get married, it has to be under the auspices of a religion. As no religion allows for intermarriage, it's not possible for a couple where the two individuals are from different religions to marry. At this time, inter-religious marriage ceremonies must occur outside of Israel with the state recognizing these marriages.

One of my friends, a non-religious ethnic Russian (with a Jewish grand-parent) had to shift his wedding to Cyprus, as the Israeli authorities denied him permission to do so in Israel. Jews, Muslims, Christians... none of them are having any problems. But the people who are classified as "Other" (mostly non-religious) are having their basic human rights denied to them.

It makes sense because it's a Jewish state. It could be you're talking about getting married in Jerusalem. If a non-Jew got married in Jerusalem, they would probably feel very uncomfortable. I'm a not sure why a non-Jew would want to get married in Israel anyway if they weren't marrying a Jew. What would be the point?

Well...what about Israelis that aren't Jewish?

And what does "Jewish State" mean?

I dont understand how the Jews can be so racist, they are already making palestine's life horrible.
Stealing more land to add to Israel, Maybe Hitler was right and they did want to take over everything.
And he saved us from a Jew takeover.

Religeons should be banned, they are only brainwashing people, they are the cause for deads everyday in the world.
How can you still believe in a god that way.

It's not all Jews, and not even all Israeli Jews. Israel's illegal colonisation programs in Palestine are designed to placate the extremist colonists.


No. Hitler wasn't right. About anything. Ever. Except maybe that funny moustaches are awesome. What is being done by the Israeli government has nothing to do with Judaism or Jewishness, and everything to do with Zionism and a lust for land and power.


It's only really the extremist settlers that are the religious nuts. And it's only the minority of the world's Jews that live in Israel.

I do hope the Israelites take care of their current government.

It is ruining your reputation because of all the settlements on the occupied territories, the martial law, the military courts, the arrest of kids, torture, extrajudicial assassination... it seems the goal is forcing the Palestinians to leave to let them occupy more land.

It's a shame to see the Jewish people, that was oppressed by centuries, convert themselves in oppressors.

Wow. You need to read up on national socialism before you spout such ignorant bull shit here. Also if I choose to practice a religion that is my right and if you want to curtail my response would be to tell you and your fascist friends to get stuffed.

Hey everyone is free to do what he wants right? even beleving in such a dumb religion, should be free.
People are just really stupid to believe in such a fairy tail story.
It's just made up by people, and how you can still believe in 2014 really, especially with all the science we have now.

Everywhere in the world religion is causing death's and problems.
Muslims killing people
Christians killing people
Jews killing people

For what I ask you!
Because a book tells you to act like a certain way or treat people a certain way, just because your so called god/book says so.
And I just dont understand what some groups of people believe in, or want to do to people of the world.

Like the Jews now they are stealing land and killing palestinians
While they are playing the victim role about WW2 anytime it comes up.
They are killing and stealing land, in the media they let us believe Israel are the good guys.
Till you actually read some proper information that is not feed to you by the media or school.
 

Most of the Zionists were not interested in religion. Many of the emigrants that went to Israel after WW II were atheist or, at least, didn't care for religious motives. They wanted a safe haven.

Lately, because of the huge increase of the Orthodoxs (they seem to be the only Israelites having several kids) there has been a shift to the radical right and into religious perspectives.

But the main problem still isn't religious. Only the radical call on the Torah to argue ownership over the Palestinian land. It's a problem about resources and nations. We, humans, never needed religion as a motive to oppress and kill for land and resources.

Lets keep the debate civilized...

Exactly. But it sure does make it easier to get popular support :)

God told me to build here. Oh look - I just happen to be building a colony right over one of the West Bank's aquifers, what a smart God he is!

Yes, if we can claim religious motives, every enterprise is justified, even if in the end the motive was envy and the goal to get resources and social and professional status, as were the case for many persecutions of the Jews in Europe.

this kind of ethnic cleansing or whatever you call it is quite creepy. it's moving in the opposite direction that we should be going. all it does is build a greater divide between "them" and "us,"  which opens the doorway for extremism. diversity is not only the moral/ethical thing, but it's also just better for the human race.

lol

I totally agree. The Jewish religion is being used as an excuse, and certainly not all Jews are responsible for what Israel is doing.

Unfortunately, the Israeli government does not agree.
And that's why we see more and more people like this:


Israel is directly responsible for this, because it insists on defining itself as a Jewish state, using Jewish religion as an excuse for its atrocities, binding its fate with that of all Jews and insisting that any criticism of its actions is tantamount to antisemitism. Zionism is no longer just a continuous atrocity against Arabs, it is now also becoming the greatest enemy of Jews everywhere.

i kind of find it funny how when you bring up some of the atrocities that come from israel, some people begin to point the finger at you like you are some anti-semite.

This is no accident - Israel, together with some right wing pro-Israeli Jews in the west, has been working very hard in recent years to perpetuate this notion that criticizing Israel is antisemitism. It's a beautifully planned and executed propaganda campaign, and it's working like a charm. This campaign is encouraging antisemitism around the world - which is exactly what Israel wants.

it's not just that, but christians love the jews because they are mentioned in the bible. saw a vice documentary recently and apparently christians spend lots of money in israel.

In Israel, you have to be at least 17 to get married. Some are sometimes sold, too. So really, Ribuck, crazy stuff is going on over there (Not saying it wasn't already), so I'm guessing everything you said doesn't need to be added, if we already get a good idea that it happens. (Not saying it should be ignored, though.)

How about Jordanian segregation law which punishes an Arab landlord for death if he ever sells a piece of land to an ethnical Jew? Oops, sorry, forgot that it doesn't fit leftist agenda to report on this stuff, it's always Israel who's apartheid despite having Arab PMs in Parliament (please show me one Jew in Hamas/Fatah govt) and never Arabs.

No, I think all good faith posts are welcome here, including yours.

One could admire the Jewish people and be against this terrible policy of their government. One thing doesn't have nothing to do with the other.

There are plenty of posts in this forum about the misdeeds of Muslims everywhere. Perhaps it doesn't suit a "rightist" agenda to report on Israeli apartheid.

Hmmm.... you are absolutely right. An Arab would be safe to travel to any nook and corner of Israel, without the threat of murder and kidnapping by the locals. But a Jew won't be safe even in the Arab majority areas of Israel.

Got to love the rap videos that bring it into perspective
That is true though being critical of their policies leads to you being labeled anti sementic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3by9FoEFB8

what?? it's very complicated. so only both partners are jews who can marry in israel?
what a racist country. how about christian and moeslem people live there?
hmm, i think it's not all jews, but zionist movement do that
like show in this image (http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.440227.1340290657!/image/4024286612.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/4024286612.jpg)

According to the chart this seems to be the case. Non religious can have some form of contract. The diagram does not display what the situation is if both people are of the same religion (other than Jewish). Can anyone clarify?

ohh i see "you can have civil union" parts
so i think they can married on their own religious law and place, such as church or mosque

Atheists kill people too, usually in the name of Marxism.

This is very interesting:

More Jews converting to Islam

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274735,00.html

Dozens of Jews are converting to Islam every year in Israel. So it is safe to say that Israel doesn't discriminate against Jews or Muslims. It discriminates against the people who don't belong to any of these religions.