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Title: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: 4420866 on June 06, 2014, 06:05:12 AM 老外发的一篇文章 看看真实的暗黑币。 Here is a article: http://cryptolife.net/darkcoin-the-next-big-thing-or-just-another-pump-and-dump/ (http://cryptolife.net/darkcoin-the-next-big-thing-or-just-another-pump-and-dump/) DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Released just shy of 5 months ago, darkcoin has quickly ascended the ranks of the cryptocurrency world, securing the #4 spot on coinmarketcap. Boasting what appears to be an impressive suite of anonymity features, darkcoin has successfully marketed itself as the rare breed of substantive altcoin. Is it, though? Peer beyond the surface, and you’ll quickly discover that darkcoin is not dark in name only. Darksend Drama Overhyped and misunderstood, darksend is touted as the killer feature that’ll send darkcoin’s price to the moon. What is darksend? In short, a protocol that groups transactions in such a way that the source and destination of the coins are muddied. As previously mentioned http://cryptolife.net/breakdown-anonymizing-cryptocurrencies/ (http://cryptolife.net/breakdown-anonymizing-cryptocurrencies/), darksend is not a comprehensive anonymity solution. At best, it provides pseudonymity. In spite of that, the people promoting this coin still use misleading buzzwords like anonymous payments and hailing the feature as something totally unique and groundbreaking, and perhaps the greatest thing since bitcoin itself. The reality of it all couldn’t be farther from that. Darksend itself is not even a unique feature, nor was it created by Evan Duffield, Darkcoin’s lead developer. Darksend is merely an implementation of the CoinJoin specification https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0) originally created by Greg Maxwell, one of the bitcoin core developers. Still, Duffield does his best to avoid giving any credit to Maxwell. Take a look through his posts, you’ll not see a mention of CoinJoin or Maxwell. To make matters worse, darksend is closed source. Take a moment to reflect upon how ridiculous it is to take open source software (bitcoin), layer an open source specification on top of it (coinjoin), and then keep the result (darksend) closed source. It goes against the fundamental principles of the cryptocurrency movement, and is reflective of the motives of the developer. Amusingly enough, Maxwell himself is on the record https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg6804719#msg6804719 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg6804719#msg6804719) stating that CoinJoin is inferior to other anonymizing protocols that are already available. Put simply, Darksend does not live up to the hype that surrounds it. It can not ensure anonymization of payments. Darkcoin makes use of so-called ‘masternodes’ that assist with darksend transactions. Last week, a bug in the code unleashed havoc upon the network, causing it to continually fork and putting the coin into a nonfunctional state. A hardfork had to be issued to fix the issue. Having said all that, Duffield is no idiot. He knows the limitations of darksend. But he’s not concerned about it. Why, you ask? Darksend is very good at generating hype. Hype leads to price apprecation. And who benefits from price appreciation? Coin holders, of course. Which brings me to my next point… Huge instamine and subsidy reduction Since I’m writing about it, it should come as no surprise that this coin has an instamine associated with it. This one went unnoticed for quite some time, but by taking a quick look at blockchain data we can see what went on. During the first 15 hours, between block 1 http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/block.dws?000007d91d1254d60e2dd1ae580383070a4ddffa4c64c2eeb4a2f9ecc0414343.htm (http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/block.dws?000007d91d1254d60e2dd1ae580383070a4ddffa4c64c2eeb4a2f9ecc0414343.htm) and block 4000 http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/block.dws?00000000fc0ee07e47609bae8d5fe5d774193c71d518c56dfe8faaf7d780a03f.htm (http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/block.dws?00000000fc0ee07e47609bae8d5fe5d774193c71d518c56dfe8faaf7d780a03f.htm) , approximately 1.75m darkcoins were generated. Immediately after this period, Duffield claimed that there was a ‘bug’ in the block reward calculations, and issued a hardfork to address it. After this fork, the block reward quickly dwindled down to an insignificant amount. Right now, it sits at a pitiful 5 DRK. A farcry from the 500 that it used to be. The result? Darkcoin is currently at 80,000 blocks, but there’s only 4.3m DRK out there. Five months later, the 1.75m generated during those first 4200 blocks still represents 40% of all DRK in existence. Dark beginnings Darkcoin was initially released as XCoin, and didn’t attract much fanfare. This is partially because it was released without a working windows client, one of the obvious marks of a scam, http://cryptolife.net/the-anatomy-of-a-scamcoin-7-things-to-know-before-investing-in-an-altcoin/ (http://cryptolife.net/the-anatomy-of-a-scamcoin-7-things-to-know-before-investing-in-an-altcoin/ ) making mining it very difficult. Who, then, was in the best position to mine the initial 4200 blocks? None other than Duffield and his buddies. The truth of the matter is that the aforementioned block reward ‘bug’ was intentional and allowed him to mine a large number of coins for himself, in an attempt to avoid the negative stigma associated with obvious premining/instamining… and it seems to have worked. With a current market cap of just over $50m, Duffield has no doubt profited quite handsomely off of this scam. The real question is, how many of these coins have been dumped on the market? How many are in the process of being dumped? Hard to say without deep blockchain analysis, but it’s irrelevant either way. The price of altcoins are held up largely by people’s reluctance to sell. When one person, or a group of people, control a majority of coins, this creates a situation where the price of the coin is either artificially inflated, or gets pounded into the ground. A poor investment to be sure, made even poorer when you take a look at the 30 day price history. If you think growth like this is sustainable, history would like to have a word with you. http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/888367355/TB2uodDXpXXXXXFXFXXXXXXXXXX_!!888367355.png Conclusion All hype and no substance, darkcoin is far from a serious contender in the altcoin world. Its suite of ‘anonymity’ features are falsely advertised, offering pseudonymity at best. At the end of the day, darkcoin offers nothing of true value over other coins. Couple this with shady release tactics, a sizable instamine, and unsustainable price increases, only a fool would dare ‘invest’ in this coin right now. 1 前15个小时 挖了175万的暗黑币，占据目前所有出币数量的40% 2 匿名就是一个画饼，借用比特币核心开心团队成员Greg Maxwell 提出的coinjoin技术来搞匿名，然后闭源。后来Greg Maxwell 说coinjoin没法实现完全的匿名。。。 3 masternode 一直分叉，分叉，分叉... 4 不知道小白还要接盘到多久。。。 Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: alijiba on June 06, 2014, 06:06:46 AM 这算是爆料么 ;)
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: eureka on June 06, 2014, 06:43:11 AM Dark币能成百上千倍的涨，当大家都是傻子呀。
再说论坛上上说DARK是SCAM骗子币的又不是这一篇，搜一下，多着呢！ 为什么DARK还这么高？ Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: 4420866 on June 06, 2014, 07:14:19 AM 比特币核心开发人员的看法。 ;) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641178.40 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641178.40) Here is some words from a bitcoin core dev http://img03.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i3/888367355/TB2po2SXXXXXXbWXFXXXXXXXXXX_!!888367355.png Ozziecoin, Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach. I'm normally happy to ignore the nonsense in the altcoin subform, but since you saw fit to go distrupt the coinjoin thread with some offtopic insult hurling I thought I'd bring the extensive response back here where its topical. CoinJoin is trustless— which is orthogonal with centralized or decentralized, it could be implemented several ways (though trustlessness is usually a prerequisite to a decenteralized implementation). Post 5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2984051#msg2984051) in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decenteralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it. (This is a disappointment to me, since I was trying to describe these ideas clearly so others could understand them.) More amusingly, what DarkCoin does is highly centralized because the software is closed— you can't get more centralized than closed source. What the actual behavior is, is anyone's guess— it's impossible to review due to it being closed— though "masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server. As I've said before CoinJoin is interesting because it's inherently part of Bitcoin already— it just needed better tools (and now there are some, e.g. darkwallet) to make it available to people. It's a privacy improvement over not having it, but it isn't perfect, but it also didn't require any changes to Bitcoin (much less a whole altcoin) to deploy it. In an incompatible system much better is possible as is proposed by ZeroCash and much better is actually _realized_ by Bytecoin (and its forks... Monero, Fantomcoin, etc.), the later are actually working (if immature, due reinventing many wheels) implementations of much stronger privacy, decenteralized in their implementation, all released under a good open source license. From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity. Now who is doing the pumping for his coin? I haven't promoted anything here, except arguably the Bytecoin/etc. ones which aren't mine by any means.Quote As I see it coinjoin as it stands is highly centralised and subject to being co-opted. You're asserting this but you haven't justified it. I can't counter an assertion because I don't even know what you're saying is centeralized or how you believe it could be co-opted.Quote Why would you attack Darkcoin? Because it's closed source stuff of dubious quality which appears to being deceptively marketed.Quote Afterall, the devs themselves have said they will make the code available soon. This isn't how cryptosystem development works. History supports taking the position that is closed should be automatically assumed to be snake-oil if not an outright trojan until proven otherwise. It's highly suspect. Systems which are good do not need to hide their operation, not if you're going to ask other people to use it.Quote It seems to me you are prejudiced against Darkcoin. Why? I cannot fathom nor am I interested. Why do you ask why and then claim disinterest? I am prejudiced against vaporware, closed source, and pump and dump nonsense. I am prejudice against things which exploit the technical work I've done, trade on it's name (as Darkcoin did at first, until I started blasting it it), to the apparent purpose of extracting funds from people who are less technically sophisticated. Beyond the basic immorality of it, I worry that this fundraising style will remove people's willingness to support real improvements that aren't scams, since its hard for them to tell them apart.Quote than your 1 centralised coinmixing server. What are you talking about here? Nothing I've ever described involved a singular "coinmixing" server.Quote As for you saying that CoinJoin is inherently part of Bitcoin; how so? It is not part of the protocol. I do not see many people use it on a day to day basis. It is not part of computer wallets. Which part of it is actually "inherent". Why cannot Litecoin use it "inherently" tomorrow if they wanted to? I see nothing inherent about it at all. I'm now suspecting that you've never read the CoinJoin post at all— pointing out that it was part of the protocol was the point. It's also inherently a part of Litecoin or anything else that copied the bitcoin code slavishly. It's a result of how signatures work in Bitcoin. Getting wallet interfaces and such developed for it was the motivation for the CoinJoin post, and now there has been good movement on that front.Quote Please, Zerocash is totally closed source right now so how would you know it is better? Closed source? It's not actually implemented yet, but unlike "DarkCoin" they've extensively described their approach in their academic publications and subjected it to extensive peer review. I'm not a fan of the security assumptions it makes, but the privacy properties the system should achieve are basically perfect.Quote And bytecoin and its various forks have problems with blockchain bloat. All cryptographically strongly-private decenteralized cryptocurrencies are going to be unprunable to some degree, which is an unfortunate scalability tradeoff— but considering that no Bitcoin implementation in production today implements pruning anyways, it's hardly a fatal one— at least in the medium term. The tradeoff here is fundamental: if you don't know what coin has been spent, you can't forget any of them. Of course, a system could have less privacy and things forever out of the anonymity set could be forgotten but thats the tradeoff you get.Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: eureka on June 06, 2014, 08:08:01 AM 对Dark所有疑问的可以去看DARK的 FAQ
现在Dark好象已经解决导致爆跌的分叉问题。 这时出一些负面信息，是不是有人向吸货？ 这年头，看多想吸货的就放负面信息拼命拉低价格从而吸货。而看空想砸盘的就不断放好消息以拉高价格抛售。 混乱的数字币世界，何时能有一双慧眼呢？ Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: clat on June 06, 2014, 08:57:47 AM 翻译一下~~~
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: xiaoqiji on June 06, 2014, 09:46:34 AM 只有有网络就无法实现匿名。。
这些都是噱头。看谁炒的比较凶。托比较多。 Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Zigic on June 07, 2014, 11:55:57 AM 最近负面消息好多。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: jiangsuren on June 07, 2014, 12:00:08 PM 我估计是真黑 ;D
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Garson on June 07, 2014, 12:18:01 PM 暗黑真黑。庄家很强。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Perrino on June 07, 2014, 12:24:41 PM 暗黑币还有未来吗？
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: davidzhl on June 08, 2014, 12:36:32 PM 骗子的伎俩。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: mlwlxz on June 08, 2014, 01:02:26 PM 小心又是一个MAXcoin，只不过时间长了一点。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: damapapa on June 08, 2014, 05:41:39 PM 还有这等事
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Rebecca on June 20, 2014, 11:14:47 PM 社区资深成员AlexGR刚刚放出伊万的话说，又有许多分叉，引发市场恐慌。不过最新情况显示，刚刚只不过网络拥堵引起出块异常，有人报告说他的MN已获支付。事情正在起变化。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Rebecca on June 20, 2014, 11:15:30 PM 第一个Masternode支付完成，GREAT!!!市场信心上来了，价格涨了0.001BTC。嗯，还不算升级成功，上次升级，最初几次Masternode的支付也确认了。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Rebecca on June 20, 2014, 11:16:07 PM Bitshares独立发现了解决比特币伪匿名性的方案TITAN。实际上近似的方案已经被提出来过了，叫做Stealth Address。我挺看好TITAN方案的，只要解决了如何应用于web wallet的问题，TITAN有戏！
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Rebecca on June 20, 2014, 11:16:47 PM Darkcoin升级即将开始，Masternode即时统计数字约为312个
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Rebecca on June 20, 2014, 11:19:24 PM :以比特币为原型进行改进的都没什么意思了，我们要寻找有革命性思想的创新者
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Millert on June 21, 2014, 12:36:12 AM 以后山寨币都该改叫匿名币了，搞个币不匿名出门都不好意思和人打招呼，我就搞不懂，匿名有那么重要吗？
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: btcshop on June 21, 2014, 12:51:25 AM 为什么不看看drk论坛作者的回复呢，mn已经开始支付了，不管是真黑假黑，反正我已上车！
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Potter on June 21, 2014, 12:52:30 AM 升级成功了？
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Millert on June 21, 2014, 01:16:22 AM 比特儿维护公告：接到暗黑币（DRK）官方团队通知，暗黑币出现短暂分叉问题，此次分成并不严重，15-30分钟后自行恢复。安全起见，开发团队发布了新钱包退回到无masternode 支付状态直到确认安全后再进行下一步部署。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Hokins on June 21, 2014, 01:38:07 AM 关于暗黑币（DRK）此次分叉事件的来龙去脉和国外社区讨论，请查阅 比特儿 Lily 翻译和总结的国外最新消息：http://t.cn/RvWBESs 。
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: fwzd on June 21, 2014, 02:14:42 AM 此次分叉早就提前通知的了而且drker都在期待这一天的到来，玩DRK的都知道，到了中国社区就成了一利空事件了！
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Santander on June 21, 2014, 02:54:23 AM 匿名真正实现的，有几个？
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: onival on June 21, 2014, 02:58:43 AM 怎么说呢，都是炒作热点吧
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: UPGRADE99 on June 21, 2014, 03:03:50 AM 高级黑啊 ;D ;D
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: constary on June 21, 2014, 03:09:11 AM 以后山寨币都该改叫匿名币了，搞个币不匿名出门都不好意思和人打招呼，我就搞不懂，匿名有那么重要吗？ 什么是匿名，小白一个，求解Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Martucci on June 21, 2014, 05:09:42 AM 暗黑币真黑！
Title: Re: 强力爆料：暗黑币是假黑还是真黑？？？ DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? Post by: Feelnight on June 21, 2014, 06:58:25 AM 其实，回归本源，一句最经典的话， 仓位决定言论
如果预挖了50%左右为真，那可真是够暗黑的 我没有暗黑币，从技术上说也不知道是否有很大创举，问了朋友，X11也仅仅是夸克算法里找到11轮运算固定了一下，匿名早就有的概念，为何这么火，或许还是那句话，有庄，有大庄，有点噱头可以唬人。 |
