Title: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 19, 2014, 09:42:22 AM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts
Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: 046738 on June 19, 2014, 10:15:12 AM Call a professional. Asking for advice on something that can burn down your home is not a good plan......
Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 19, 2014, 10:24:48 AM Call a professional. Asking for advice on something that can burn down your home is not a good plan...... I can't pay $850/hr Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: djjacket on June 19, 2014, 06:24:28 PM Call a professional. Asking for advice on something that can burn down your home is not a good plan...... I can't pay $850/hr I am sure this is an exaggeration? That would be one hell of an electrician. You should be able to test the outputs of the socket with a cheap multimeter that can read AC voltage to determine your ground. Seriously though, why chance a fire to run your equipment! You need to make sure the wiring can handle the load or you have a serious hazard. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: MrTeal on June 19, 2014, 06:47:16 PM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is your PDU a 240V model with an L6-30 or similar? If so, you'll have effectively no current through the neutral, and running it this way wouldn't be much different than running a range or dryer on that plug. Your device will be grounded through the neutral as opposed to a dedicated ground, but since the wire will be substantial and the current measured in milliamps, there won't be any real difference to a modern system with a dedicated ground.Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) Still, it would be wise to consult with an electrician. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bgibso01 on June 19, 2014, 08:01:23 PM It looks like you are having the same idea I did. That's an old style dryer outlet. I have the newer 14-30 outlet. I have yet to find any adapters and figure the reason is it's not a good idea :)
I do agree with everyone else though and you should consult a qualified person. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: 046738 on June 20, 2014, 02:09:34 AM Call a professional. Asking for advice on something that can burn down your home is not a good plan...... I can't pay $850/hr I am sure this is an exaggeration? That would be one hell of an electrician. You should be able to test the outputs of the socket with a cheap multimeter that can read AC voltage to determine your ground. Seriously though, why chance a fire to run your equipment! You need to make sure the wiring can handle the load or you have a serious hazard. 850/hr??? Where do you live? There is also some information you can get online (search "electrical codes" on a torrent site) that you can look at to aid you in making an informed decision. I am fortunate that I have a co-worker who is a journeyman electrician who works for beer!!! Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: boliu on June 24, 2014, 12:44:43 AM $850/hr is still better then no house.
Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 24, 2014, 07:19:37 AM $850/hr is still better then no house. I found a guy on Craigslist for only $50 Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: ajareselde on June 24, 2014, 12:29:24 PM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) dont even think about pulling 6kW from a single outlet/circle/phase. and no ground is bad, but it may be nulled so it can still work. best you call an electrician, and dont try to buy cheap parts/thin wires if wiring needs to be replaced. cheers Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 24, 2014, 01:06:09 PM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) dont even think about pulling 6kW from a single outlet/circle/phase. and no ground is bad, but it may be nulled so it can still work. best you call an electrician, and dont try to buy cheap parts/thin wires if wiring needs to be replaced. cheers i found a hidden ground why no 6kw? 30*240= 7200 Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: chungenhung on June 24, 2014, 04:53:36 PM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) dont even think about pulling 6kW from a single outlet/circle/phase. and no ground is bad, but it may be nulled so it can still work. best you call an electrician, and dont try to buy cheap parts/thin wires if wiring needs to be replaced. cheers i found a hidden ground why no 6kw? 30*240= 7200 7200 * 0.80 = 5760W Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 24, 2014, 05:13:15 PM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) dont even think about pulling 6kW from a single outlet/circle/phase. and no ground is bad, but it may be nulled so it can still work. best you call an electrician, and dont try to buy cheap parts/thin wires if wiring needs to be replaced. cheers i found a hidden ground why no 6kw? 30*240= 7200 7200 * 0.80 = 5760W Let's hope the power supplies are efficient Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: petersiddle98 on June 27, 2014, 07:11:10 AM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) I don think that socket can handle more then 13 amp. You can try 6k watts and the power should disconnect immediately unless some fuse problem. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 27, 2014, 07:14:16 AM I have a nema 10-30 outlet and I need that 6k watts Is there anyway to use it? I need a pdu also to get 9 x c13 I am worried that the outlet doesn't have a ground https://i.imgur.com/6HpOo35s.jpg (http://imgur.com/6HpOo35) I don think that socket can handle more then 13 amp. You can try 6k watts and the power should disconnect immediately unless some fuse problem. Actually I finally got it working 30 amps Swapped in a l6-30 and found a ground wire. Taped up the neutral. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: azrin619 on June 27, 2014, 07:17:14 AM 240V usually means 220V load and at max if your cable is 7064 (7 x0.64 gauge), Max load is 13A
Meaning yr load at max is 2860 - 3000 W It will blow your circuit breakers and cause a fire. Don't do it! Its not the socket that cannot take it...it's the wiring... Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 27, 2014, 07:19:18 AM 240V usually means 220V load and at max if your cable is 7064 (7 x0.64 gauge), Max load is 13A Meaning yr load at max is 2860 - 3000 W It will blow your circuit breakers and cause a fire. Don't do it! Its not the socket that cannot take it...it's the wiring... The wiring and breaker are 30 amps It's a dryer outlet. It better handle 30 amps Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: Sythyn on June 27, 2014, 07:57:20 AM 240V usually means 220V load and at max if your cable is 7064 (7 x0.64 gauge), Max load is 13A Meaning yr load at max is 2860 - 3000 W It will blow your circuit breakers and cause a fire. Don't do it! Its not the socket that cannot take it...it's the wiring... The wiring and breaker are 30 amps It's a dryer outlet. It better handle 30 amps Nice, you should be able to run 6000kw without much problem then. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: ___TR___ on June 30, 2014, 01:01:31 AM The circuit is sized based on the amperage of the equipment to be utilized. If your source voltage is 240 volts, then a 6KW load will be 25amps. 80% of 30amps is 24amps, so by code, the dryer circuit and receptacle are not rated to handle that continuous load. If your source voltage is lower, say 220 volts, then the amperage will increase to 27.3amps.
A circuit rated at 40 amps would be recommended in this case. A 30 amp dryer circuit, properly wired, will handle the 6KW load at 240 volts, but it is below the minimum standard that an electrician would install. You may also have a greater risk of fire on the 30 amp circuit if the equipment were to malfunction. Contact a local electrician if you are unsure about anything if installing or modifying any circuits. Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: bitpop on June 30, 2014, 01:17:06 AM The circuit is sized based on the amperage of the equipment to be utilized. If your source voltage is 240 volts, then a 6KW load will be 25amps. 80% of 30amps is 24amps, so by code, the dryer circuit and receptacle are not rated to handle that continuous load. If your source voltage is lower, say 220 volts, then the amperage will increase to 27.3amps. A circuit rated at 40 amps would be recommended in this case. A 30 amp dryer circuit, properly wired, will handle the 6KW load at 240 volts, but it is below the minimum standard that an electrician would install. You may also have a greater risk of fire on the 30 amp circuit if the equipment were to malfunction. Contact a local electrician if you are unsure about anything if installing or modifying any circuits. Thanks Title: Re: Need 240v power help Post by: xstr8guy on June 30, 2014, 01:39:18 AM I'm doing the exact same thing with an old dryer outlet to run a FrankenJup. It's the old style outlet so it didn't work with the Tripplite PDU that I bought. But I found an adapter cord meant to charge hybrid cars. Works great running a complete FrankenJup and an S2.
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