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What exactly do you mean by a supernode? Never heard of the term...
If you're talking about the banks having a crap ton of nodes I don't really see an issue so long as there are a reasonable number of other nodes so that there is no foul play with transaction exclusion. But really it's unlikely that the banks will bother with large amounts of nodes - they only serve to relay and confirm transactions as legitimate.

A bank running a lot of nodes would be like a bank providing services for the competition for free.  Unless that bank makes money off bitcoin in some other way it does not make sense.

Exactly. People don't understand that running a bunch of nodes doesn't gain you access to oodles of free money the same way fractional reserve banking does. Bitcoin strips the power from banks and gives it to We the People.

Banks will want no part of it until they're left with no customers and no choices, and then they'll capitulate.

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By node, OP probably mean miner.

Soooo whats a "Superminer"?

a super node is simple a known static IP people can add so that they always have a main connection to th network to relay tx's.

So going by this term, nothing special will happen if any bank becomes a supernode.
I don't see a reason for them to become one though.

a super node is simple a known static IP people can add so that they always have a main connection to th network to relay tx's.

now thats cleared up. all i have to say is
1. Banks are contracted to handle FIAT, being a node is meaning less to them. get over it, you wont see banks handing out bitcoins themselves.
2. people can choose which supernodes they connect to. so the end result of any fantasy Apocalypse scenario some tin foil hatter is about to dream up... wont happen as people will just ignore such nodes

Exactly. People don't understand that running a bunch of nodes doesn't gain you access to oodles of free money the same way fractional reserve banking does. Bitcoin strips the power from banks and gives it to wealthy ASIC manufacturers running massive datacenters.

Banks will want no part of it until they're left with no customers and no choices, and then they'll capitulate.

a super node is simple a known static IP people can add so that they always have a main connection to th network to relay tx's.

Will this be a good thing?  Adapt and survive right?

so you mean a bank basically loading a bitcoin client on there server ?
i don't get it ?

what is the concern ? they will block transactions ? the other 100000000 nodes should pass them though, right ?

If a bank runs a supernode they will charge people to use it. How, I don't know, but they will find a way.

Probably a transmission charge although I guess they could call it a Transaction Fee since Bitcoin uses those
That or a storage fee if you don't have enough Bitcoins in your account lol.

They could potentially make you send an output to their address in order for them to relay their TX.

This would actually be a good idea to incentive people to running nodes, especially when bitcoin starts to process more TX per second

Will this be a good thing?  Adapt and survive right?

My dearest readers,

BITCOIN SUPERNODE - THE NORMATIVE THREAD aims to foresee the development of the socioeconomic Bitcoin network, discuss it, and guide the development with actionable suggestions that would interfere with the natural course of affairs as little as possible while bringing as many benefits as possible to both those who take part in a way or another and those who do not.


Background

Bitcoin economy consists of bitcoin holders and interactions between them. There are currently 2 million bitcoin holders who hold on average 6,000 mBTC (median 70 mBTC). About 790 of them have bitcoin holdings valued at least $1 million.

Rather large percentage of such large holders are bitcoin enthusiasts who also largely share a liberty-loving ("liberal", "libertarian", "anti-statist", ..) worldview. They are proficient in technology, highly educated and civil. At this point they tend to be male with age distribution centered around 30-35, which is not important per se, but nevertheless a fact.

The concentration of financial means in the hands of the people described above in a networked environment is a potentially explosive thing. Until now it has not been witnessed in a large scale because of the following factors:
- Large concentrations of bitcoins have been in the hands of earliest adopters, who are generally younger with less interest/experience/contacts/whatever in societal matters than the current profile of holders.
- The number of people whose bitcoin stash has been worth any serious old world money was negligible prior to 2013.
- There has been more uncertainty about Bitcoin's future, and the scenario of its ultimate takeover has been shared with very few people and even they may have given it a low probability of success.
- Many have been lulled into thinking that the Bitcoin Foundation is the way to further this kind of mindset.

The growth from 1 user to 2 million users in 5.1 years has meant 17.2x yearly increase. Meanwhile bitcoin price has risen on average 12.6x yearly. The market cap has grown from nothing to about $10 billion. The fiat value of a mean holding exploded in 2013 and is already $5,000. (I have a paid analyst who is currently compiling and verifying these figures.) All these can likely be modelled with exponential function albeit with considerable variation from the trend. [I cannot currently expound the dynamics why, but] Bitcoin's self-similarity suggests that the trends stay intact until there is no more new entrants, or a major event interrupts the system.

Staying in the trendline channel, the price of 1 mBTC is expected to reach $3-$13 in 2014. The number of users would be 10-30 million. The number of liberty-loving people who have at least $1M in bitcoins + other assets and capabilities would number in thousands. (This estimate does not count all large holders, only the ones that fulfill the criteria, which is - less the actual holdings - pretty much the same criteria I use when inviting people to this forum.)

At this point, and especially zooming forward to the end of 2014, 2015 and 2016, interaction between these holders, many of which already have connections between each other, will inevitably increase. The aim of the Supernode Network is to facilitate this interaction and, in a sense, to "regulate" it. At present the Bitcoin world is a jungle, where everybody has had to learn the hard way. I am all for learning the realities of this world, but now our combined effort could make the world a more difficult place for scammers and rogue and organized thiefs alike. Collecting and publishing the best practices, having some old world resources (media, lawyers) at our pay, and doing business among ourselves with the old-fashioned way of personal guarantees would go a long way of making this jungle a wild west - a place of liberty, opportunity or refuge, whichever way you like it.

By "Supernode" I mean a person, or person-centric organization, where the person possesses the willingness, knowledge, time and means (=bitcoins) to effectively participate in the mind-blowing transition that is ongoing and ahead of us. I would add that to qualify as a supernode, you should be fearless of adversity and manage your risks so that you can face the total defeat of all crypto (or prospect of it) without losing heart or your ability to function.

I established the theory of Bitcoin Supernode early 2013. The current introduction to the topic can be found in another forum, quoted below:


There is a rather widely held misunderstanding that Bitcoin network technically has or could have some kind of supernodes. It does not. Network nodes are equal. Some altcoins have masternodes and also have borrowed the term "supernode" for a technical meaning. But in Bitcoin context, the Supernode is a socio-economical construct bolded above.

In the strict sense banks cannot be Supernodes even if they become major power centers, because Supernode is defined as being the opposite force to the legacy system. So the word conveys not only the extent of resources, but also the intent to use them for the furtherance of the liberation of mankind in the cryptoworld context.

@Este Nuno: My Supernode was reactivated in January in the II Supernode General Meeting in Tallinn. Next weekend we are having the III Bitcoin Supernode Network Preparatory Meeting in Malla (http://www.malla.ee/). There are delegates from Estonia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, U.S., Netherlands, France, South Africa, U.K., Latvia and Korea.