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I've only been mining about 5 months now so I'ma relative newbie as far as crypto goes, but I'm a quick study.

I've been a business owner all of my life and have been pretty successful at it.

I was warned early on not to pre-order for a multitude of reasons, but the primary reason was because of rapidly dropping prices.

What I have learned though is that it's really not the rapidly dropping prices that are the problem but the complete lack of any sense of business morality on the part of the Manufacturers when it comes to dealing with customers.

I've seen a lot of cut throat businesses, but the manufacturers of miners have to be the most reprehensible group of thieves I've ever encountered. (there are exception however - a few)

First - they lie straight faced about delivery times, promises about refunds, warranties, stuff magically disappear off websites, they lie about delivery, they lie about performance - in fact they lie about just everything imaginable - I've never encountered such reprehensible business behavior.

And worst of all they treat the people who pre-order as complete suckers and drop prices to Batch 2 people even before they've delivered their first batches - when in fact the people who commit to pre-orders should be treated like royalty - the manufacturers stick it right up their asses.

It is no wonder that there are so many jaded people on this website when it comes to manufacturers - it's simple - because the manufacturers deserve every bit of what they get.

I had really hoped to not to become jaded, but thank god for the forum because we can wreck their sales when they fuck with us and trust me - they fuck with us all the time.

These manufacturers do not look at you as a source of a continued business relationship, they look at you as an opportunity to make a quick buck then they leave you high and dry.

Don't stop complaining publicly and don't stop calling out these these scumbag because the only thing they understand and fear is the light of day when they have to crawl out from under their rocks to defends themselves.

and yes - there are exceptions but even most of the exceptions have to be bullied and threatened to get honest.

Have a nice Day - we're watching all of you!

They do get it.
The fact is, they can lie to your face, bully you, basically take full advantage of you.. and what can you do about it ?
Especially if you pay in bitcoin ? If you pay with credit card or paypal you can some recourse...

Unfortunately it is up to the community to stop accepting all the points you mentioned and stop buying until the manufactures lift their game.

Why would they, when the orders (pre-orders) just keep rolling in ?
I am just pulling this figure out my anus but I bet for every 1 user that don't want to pre-order 100 users do.

grrr for some reason when I preview it is saving, and edit is not working and it is shitting me!!!!
it might be my 'noscript' java blocker hmm..

They understand 1000000% that they can continue to do all those things because the community lets it happen.
I am not blaming the community per-say, but time after time for a year or 2 now its the same old crap (all the stuff you mentioned).

People need to just stop ordering. Finally now we are seeing some legal against some of the companies.

I bet half the companies setup because they know they can get so much money in pre-orders and just not deliver anything.
by the time its discovered. move onto the next company.

here's what I understand, because it works for me..

You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word...

LOL

Mate I've been saying there here (in different) words since I joined in 2012.
Totally agree.