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Title: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: FurHeil on June 23, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28vzoq/i_sold_146_btc_at_btcplazacom_with_bank_transfer/

Any similar experiences?? Has the bitcoin taxation started already??


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Meuh6879 on June 23, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
explanations ?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/15/greece-tax-idUSL6N0O15IM20140515


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Meuh6879 on June 23, 2014, 08:45:15 PM
and more : http://www.cretanaccountant.gr/tax-liabilities-in-greece-for-non-greek-citizens/

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Table A: Income tax bracket for salary, pension and agriculture income (it is valid since 01/01/2013)


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: bitsmichel on June 23, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28vzoq/i_sold_146_btc_at_btcplazacom_with_bank_transfer/

Any similar experiences?? Has the bitcoin taxation started already??

Greece is full of corrupt officials, it should come as no surprise. They'll try to take the money of Greek citizens in any way possible.
A similar thing occurred in Cyprus.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Guido on June 23, 2014, 10:33:14 PM
got to feel sorry for the Greeks, with this bunch of clowns in charge


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: CoinMode on June 23, 2014, 10:37:12 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28vzoq/i_sold_146_btc_at_btcplazacom_with_bank_transfer/

Any similar experiences?? Has the bitcoin taxation started already??

Andreas Antonopoulus would be the guy to ask that question. He grew up in Greece under the oppressive banking system and that was his inspiration for developing decentralized networks and bitcoin software.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: CoinMode on June 23, 2014, 10:38:22 PM
Here is a new article about Andreas that speaks quite a bit about his early days living under the corrupt Greek regime. http://bitcoinmagazine.com/14318/inside-antonopoulos-iiii-im-broke-im-happier-ive-ever/


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: keithers on June 23, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
If you are honest about your taxes, it could be significantly worse in the United States.   Short term capital gains can be upwards of 35% depending on your tax bracket...


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: zimmah on June 23, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
Tax? lol

so it's currency now or is it property tax or what?

how can you tax bitcoin in the first place?

ridiculous laws trying to make a profit on bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: bitsmichel on June 23, 2014, 11:03:44 PM
Tax? lol

so it's currency now or is it property tax or what?

how can you tax bitcoin in the first place?

ridiculous laws trying to make a profit on bitcoin.

In this case they taxed after the guy had transferred btc to national currency on the bank.
Politicians and lawyers are not sure what it is.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: mitzie on June 23, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
I live in Greece, and I call this bullshit.

I agree that Greece is in a tough place right now, and taxation is not fair, but Greece hasn't announced anything about bitcoin yet. I have bought & sold bitcoins in the past and never had any problem. (with exchanges that required verification, passports, utility bills etc)

Any proof that the tax was 22% ?? Probably the guy declared the amount as an 'asset', and that's why the taxation was so high - I don't know, maybe I am wrong. But 22% taxation is way too much.

http://bitlegal.net/nation/GR.php



Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Bibop on June 23, 2014, 11:22:02 PM
might be wrong to change that in the banks.
if the country acting to btc as a known currency it might be common to reach people that will want to buy btc and exchange it without the bank, no?


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: haploid23 on June 24, 2014, 01:50:05 AM
I don't buy this at all. Even if this were true, can you tell how the government in Greece will enforce a tax on bitcoin and prove that the transaction took place, and on Greece soil for that matter? Look at the US government, the IRS wants to tax bitcoin as property tax. It's only on paper, but they can't do shit to enforce it. They have no infrastructure enforce such a taxation system.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: keithers on June 24, 2014, 03:32:14 AM
Tax? lol

so it's currency now or is it property tax or what?

how can you tax bitcoin in the first place?

ridiculous laws trying to make a profit on bitcoin.

US treats it like property/asset for taxes, but if you want to run an exchange, then all the sudden it is a currency and you have to register with FINCEN...lol

Double whammy


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: BTCGR on June 24, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
I do operate www.btcgreece.com ,in Greece and i would like to know more about
the incident occured to you.Do you have an official doc from the bank , showing the deduction of 22% as tax?
What kind of tax is described there?
Please feel free to pm , as i would like to help you resolve the issue.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: superresistant on June 24, 2014, 10:31:14 AM

Come on, it's normal. How would Greek government and bankers afford their luxurious life if they don't tax the peasants ?

Villas, Ferrari, whores and coke are expensive. You must understand them.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Cicero2.0 on June 25, 2014, 05:11:40 AM
Tax? lol

so it's currency now or is it property tax or what?

how can you tax bitcoin in the first place?

ridiculous laws trying to make a profit on bitcoin.

In this case they taxed after the guy had transferred btc to national currency on the bank.
Politicians and lawyers are not sure what it is.
Just another reason to hold.

Yes. The only place they can hit you is when it touches fiat. Keep it digital and there is no way to confiscate it without physical force.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: kuusj98 on July 09, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Wat? They can't do such thing...

Here in NL, we can only get charged money if we have a certain amount of BTC which in my country is aka Box 3, or Much Money  ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Skele on July 09, 2014, 04:46:28 PM

Come on, it's normal. How would Greek government and bankers afford their luxurious life if they don't tax the peasants ?

Villas, Ferrari, whores and coke are expensive. You must understand them.

It's so irritating to hear that this kind of things happens all around the globe, of course some more than others, but greeks, american,

mexican, european, chinese, politicians will be always the same rats anywhere.


Title: Re: Bitcoin tax up to 22% in Greece!
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on July 09, 2014, 10:49:12 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28vzoq/i_sold_146_btc_at_btcplazacom_with_bank_transfer/

Any similar experiences?? Has the bitcoin taxation started already??

Andreas Antonopoulus would be the guy to ask that question. He grew up in Greece under the oppressive banking system and that was his inspiration for developing decentralized networks and bitcoin software.
Andreas Antonopoulos did not develop Bitcoin(unless he is Satoshi).