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We are sad to hear about zhous loss but we can not forget that he is only 17. WTF did you expect?

In the meantime BTC is flowing in so LR is flocking out, therefore, rates will increase to the following:

Transaction fee: 0.8%
Withdrawal fee: 9%

Visit, www.coinexchanger.com

Yes! What did we expect! Surely your exchange (which has absolutely no customers) is better! Besides the huge fees, lack of transparency, total lack of legal registration, insistence that Bitcoin is fake money (which is your poorman's excuse for why you don't need registration-- ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law, idiot) of course.

How are you and Maria doing? Do you guys talk anymore? You both have the same IP address so I just assume she must be your cleaning lady since you also claim to be a millionaire who owns his own restaurant. What was that address again? I'll be in New York for the next few days. I'd love to come take some photos so that FinCEN knows more about you before you close you down for money laundering. Your 6 month grace period for registering with the US Federal Government for money exchange is almost up amigo.

Classy, taking a dig at competitors based on age (when it was the server HOST who got hacked).  Yeah, I think I'll stay away from yours too.

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Most openly shady exchanger I've known so far; wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

1) CoinExchanger is not registered as a business, much less an exchange.
2) CoinExchanger is not AML compliant and is in direct violation of FinCEN rulings.
3) CoinExchanger's owner has publicly stated that he thinks bitcoin is worthless and is monopoly money.
4) CoinExchange's threads always make ridiculous claims, just like this one "We just received a 20k BTC deposit!" yet never any proof of those claims.
5) He says he owns a restaurant in New York city, except when Charlie Shrem of BitInstant (also a native New Yorker) offered to pay him a visit, he froze up and completely stopped responding to all his scammy threads.
6) He has the same IP as "Maria" who is a Forex spammer.
7) He claims he owns the restaurant, has millions of dollars, and much business experience but can't provide a single bit of proof for anything he says.
8) He is a scammer. He promised to give me BTC for joining his exchange but when I tried to use the code he gave me, it said the code was invalid, and upon inquiry of why that was, he ignored me.

Are you serious with these comments, you are playing in a market that is disruptive by it's very nature and therefore non-conformist in many ways and you are going to use age as the reason to point out a loss. I'd be more impressed with the fact that a 17 year old is liquid enough to cover his losses.

In short thanks for letting me know I need to keep myself and my resources far away from you.

His 17 year old mistake was holding on to that amount on a unencrypted hot wallet. Like the gas station owner holding all the cash at the cash register.

Then let's see proof you aren't doing the same thing. Until you provide proof otherwise, we will assume you are both 17 and holding your wallets all in unencrypted non-password protected folders on a free-hosting site.

If coinexchanger isnt Tom Wiliiams i'll eat my bitcoins lol.

Tom Williams was at least intelligent.

CoinExchanger is an emotionally immature douchenozzle.

Here, I'll cite my comment on reddit:

Basically, OP wouldn't know about these issues of scalability and risk because he has 0 customers on his scam site hosted in his kitchen.

I hadn't realised bitcoinica was an exchange.

PS. 9% withdrawal fee ouch.

We just received another 12K BTC. It looks like the guy is dumping his collection on www.coinexchanger.com

Advice for Zhoutong from bitcoinica.com

You are under age and the law does not apply to you the same way it applies to an adult. DO NOT THROW AWAY YOUR TUITION.

Declare bankrupt and the system will protect you.

Also, your insurance company should handle the loss, dont worry.

I expect more amusement in this thread.

P.S. Just received a 80k deposit from someone wanting to play chess against my bots.

Proof or GTFO.

Oh, so if he's 17 then the universal "takesies backsies" rule can be used?


You don't even know what country he is in apparently.

You're stupid to think that an insurance company would pay for bitcoin losses. There is no insurance company in the world that would ever insure bitcoins for spot value for any quantity or any amount.

We're waiting on the proof scammer.

Is this a joke? Who would ever use an exchange with a 9% withdrawal fee? For that matter, who'd use one where the operator raises the fees without notice?

Withdrawal fee: 9%


R U <censor> kidding me ?

FTFY.

If thats the case, you do know you are in clear violation of AML right?

Edit: some reading material http://www.sec.gov/about/offices/ocie/amlsourcetool.htm#3

And can we see the blockchain.info on these deposits you claim?

He claims that Bitcoins are valueless (he terms it "monopoly money") and says because it has no value, it isn't regulated.

If I wasn't such an upstanding guy, I'd write a letter to FinCEN myself on this prick/coward.

*Points to sig*

We will keep the fees until all deposits and withdrawals are cleared and processed. Shakaru, what are you talking about? Please point to the agency that regulates bitcoin. Otherwise, you do not know what you are talking about. Is bitcoin a currency? Is it money? What is it??

Visit, www.coinexchanger.com

Bitcoin is a stored value. Your ignorance is not an excuse to breaking the law.

  DO NOTvisit, www.coinexchanger.com

Someone should tell Mt Gox they don't have to worry about those silly laws anymore.

Specifically:

While FinCEN was already developing regulatory proposals in this area, the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009 required the issuance of regulations in final form implementing the BSA, regarding the sale, issuance, redemption, or international transport of stored value, including stored value cards. FinCEN defined prepaid access and included new regulatory requirements in July 2011, expanding beyond the previous framework for certain products known as "stored value."

Also:

 \12\ The Final Rule defines ``prepaid access'' as access to
funds or the value of funds that have been paid in advance and can
be retrieved or transferred at some point in the future through an
electronic device or vehicle, such as a card, code, electronic
serial number, mobile identification number, or personal
identification number. 31 CFR 1010.100(ww). The Final Rule replaces
the term ``stored value'' with ``prepaid access.''

Further:

Leo, as Matthew said, ignorance of the law does not keep it from applying to you. You are making a huge mistake in believing that the lack of definition for what Bitcoin is protects you. In fact, Bitcoin as a stored value is very well defined under finCEN. Now, being that you are a fixed exchange, you may believe that you're free from MSB guidelines as well, but since you hold customer funds in a wallet, and allow for anonymous transactions of stored value (specifically, electronic serial number), you are in violation of multiple federal laws.

I find it hard to believe that nobody's reported you to finCEN yet. In fact, I'm certain that they have. However, upon inspection I'm sure that any investigation would conclude that you have no customers, and that you aren't worth their trouble right now. If that changes in the future, for instance if you were to receive a large deposit of 20k + 12k, (strangely close to the amount stolen yesterday, and currently part of a Federal Investigation initiated by Linode), no doubt you'd be a prime target for investigation and seizure.

Leo, if you're telling the truth about the 20k and 12k coins, you're going to find yourself at a massive loss since you will not be able to sell those coins on any exchange. If you have in fact paid out any amount of LR for the coins you say you've received, you've very likely fucked yourself very VERY badly.

-Jonathan

Gave you a pretty good link back there. Also, you Buy and Sell bitcoin. Are you telling me you do not do this for currency? Can one not deposit funds into your exchange to buy these? So in answer to your questions, the agencies you requested to know about are the SEC, IRS, Homeland Security and lets toss your local state controller onto that list.

Secondly. Where is the proof of the deposit?

There is no proof of deposit to display because there is no deposit to discuss. This is utterly transparent shilling for his own service, which anyone with an IQ in double digits can see is a piss poor imitation of an exchange. Nine percent fees? Why not just require everyone to bend over when they use your service so you can be honest about back-raping them? That's right! Nobody uses your joke of a service. 32,000 in round numbers worth of deposits in less than a day, which you are alleging comes from theft, and instead of discussing doing anything about the theft you are proudly taking shots at the victims of the theft to pimp your own service.

You are nothing but a cheap pimp, with nothing to sell the world. Shut the fuck up and die.

So, some time between 12:57pm and 4:12pm today someone deposited 12k BTC with you? That should be pretty easy to verify.

Block 169381 address 12F1GhUbVJvNW6ki1fRG1ZgeTkm2FixLLi

If that's you, Leo, you're holding stolen coins.

http://blockchain.info/address/0d9e2cd87cef275505cd1a831a8fdf86cd2ff571 (http://blockchain.info/address/0d9e2cd87cef275505cd1a831a8fdf86cd2ff571)

If I were gay, I'd do you. But since I'm not, let's just be friends.

I welcome the friendship of someone as articulate and spot on message here, as you. If I was younger, I would do that girl in your earlier avatar with the motorcycle!

That looks right my friend. I will hold on to the funds until someone claims them. 30 days, after that im sending some to CryptoXchange, some to Gox and some to the TOR network.

Visit, www.coinexchanger.com

So now your going to steal them too?

Obviously, if this retard did get business from the hacker, it's because he knew this scummy fuck would be the least professional and just fork over the dough. If anything, this should be a very easy sign for everyone never to use his site.

I paid for those 12K coins already. They are mine to do as I please.

Fincen does not regulate bitcoin. Nor any agency will investigate on the missing coins because lost bitcoins does not mean anything to anybody except for the person who lost them.

Witnessed.


Anyone who has a problem with this outrageousness, please write separate letters to FinCEN and feel free to visit Mr. Camilo and express your concerns.


Leo Camilo        (atqcapital@gmail.com)
    440 9th ave
    new york
    New York,10001
    US
    Tel. +1.3474691040

This establishment connected to CoinExchanger.com (an illegally run money services business without an MSB license) is the address for Uncle Jacks Restaurant.

You can contact the main line and confirm Leo Camilo's position there by phone at: (212) 244-0005

You'll probably find him working in the back as a busboy or in the kitchen washing dishes I'm sure.

https://i.imgur.com/nDlE1.jpg

I'm sure his pride in accepting stolen bitcoins and operating an illegal exchange registered to this address should be made clear after confirming he works there regularly. It is something all his customers at the restaurant should be made aware of I believe. If he doesn't think bitcoins are anything more than monopoly money, maybe he also thinks that using dangerous ingredients is alright too? Crazy people do crazy things...




Sounds like the kind of scammy shit Leo would pull on his customers. "Hey this gold locket isn't really valuable, it's just a monopoly necklace! It's mine now because a lost necklace and tickets is only worth something to the person who lost them!"

CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law.

The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040.

His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com.

He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that:

• bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
• his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
• he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.

He also:

• goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
• claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner

He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.

Didn't know you could not accept coins.
Have a glass of water mr.

I've never struggled with what to do as much as I have in considering whether or not to report this non-violent illegal activity to the government. I'm at the FinCEN website, but I just can't make myself do it.

Feels bad, man.

I'm trying to use the site, but all bitcoin->site connections seems down... :( That's bad, i can't buy bitcoins now!!!

Nice. Either hes pissed off enough of us that his site is getting hit or he took it offline in fear. Can we get someone to follow up with the blockchain.info to track where these coins are going? Also, if this is a ddos attack, it would really suck if the uncle jacks website got caught up in it.

For reference, Matt talked to manager @ Uncle Jack's and *surprise* they've never heard of this guy. Consider the Uncle Jack's restaurant totally unrelated to CoinTumbler. Identity theft, likely selling stolen coins, scammy chess site, taunting those who had coins stolen, has purchased tens of thousands of what he claims is monopoly money.

cross post from other tread

A while back, Maria start a shit fit over some exchange not giving her/him/it whatever, their Western Union withdraw. The exchange was www.bitcoinexchange.cc. I have the former ops phone info, but due to my yelling matches with him on the same subject, I doubt he will answer my calls, maybe.

Edit: Skype has different payment options now. buying credit to make call.

Edit2: Made the call. Different business (lol Internet Crime Mitigation Services) but left a voicemail. Hopefully its the same guy and he is classy enough to return my call.

Look for all these stolen coins to make their way back into the world slowly as this accomplice to the crime launders them for his co-conspirator. I call for a scammer tag for CoinExchanger.

I second.

3rd. There is really no reason to be boosting about the stolen coins you got  and making a mockery of it ... disgusting stuff seriously..

4th.
Makes me wonder about the age of coinexchanger themselves, I suspect he's even younger then 17.

If he actually DID get all those stolen coins, who did he scam?

I guess everyone is thinking that he didn't scam anyone, but he deserves a scammer tag all the same.  I sort of have the same opinion.

Watching.

CEX implies ZT sold him the coins, but ZT is still paying out withdraw requests, so...

How people like coinexchanger arn't scammer tagged/banned is beyond me, yet terrytibbs got a tag, and only recently had it taken off.

I'll give half a bitcoin to the guy who posts a scumbag report about this dude at the Bitcoin Shitlist website...

Don't leave any detail out ;) And obviously the report will need to be more than a link to a thread here, I really mean all details :D

Are you suggesting that Coin Exchanger flaunting the fact that he has received these coins, and he is absolutely comfortable with keeping them/using them/profiting from them is not enough evidence for you? The fact that the entire business identity that he has created for his "exchange" is based on falsehoods and lies, is not enough for you?

Chaang Noi, I ask you to publicly state for the record if you support the actions of Coin Exchanger in this issue?

Owned.

Chaang Noi- his own words throughout this thread and others. I presume you are experienced enough to know how to read the whole thread before throwing out troll remarks- this clown is making himself out to be very comfortable steal literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of other people's money.

Do you even want to have a moment of reflection before you come out in support of that? It reflects incredibly poorly on your judgement and your sense of ethics to even think for a moment that being on the side of Coin Exchanger in this is the right way to go.

Again- I ask you... do you accept Coin Exchanger's actions, and do you choose to side with theft being acceptable to you?

His words aren't evidence.  They are a troll's lies. 

There's zero reason to believe CoinExchange has received stolen coins - their asking price is way higher than MtGox!

On the other hand, there is evidence that some of the stolen coins were sold on CryptoXchange below the MtGox price.  see thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67091.msg781017#msg781017).

Until there is some evidence to the contrary, CoinExchange is nothing but a distraction.

lol obviously he's not been sent any of the Linode recently stolen funds*, no one smart enough to pull that one off is going to be dumb enough to trust any, let alone large chunks, to a blubber mouth with rates that are daylight robbery in any case, how can anyone even consider it plausible, as Goat says he's just trolling off the back of the affair (& any of you who believe it could be so) for his own lulz/lame site spamming - it's just his little wet dream that it were so


*Edit: or being such a braggart he'd quickly post evidence of their blockchain movement to an account he can demonstrate he can send from a stated amount as proof that it's his

He won't prove it, and asking for proof seems to be falling on deaf ears, but the only two reasons I would give credence to his claims are:


1) The timing of his announcement (although a ridiculous thing to want to announce)

2) The fact that he is a shady business person and MtGox and other exchanges actually care enough to try to investigate.

imo the only way those coins are ever likely to be traced at all is if Linode & any others/authorities brought in to investigate can get a high enough burden of proof against someone specific who had access to that admin account that they have all the history/timing/events trail on & so be able to threaten them with harsh enough penalties that they confess & return the funds (unlikely), do a deal (funds returned anon) also unlikely, or that that person/s has made a slip up & their ID/involvement can be proved, my most lightly scenario for them getting nicked would be the same one as the French bank vault job - a bitter X-GF outing him, dumped because Limode scammer now has 1/4 $M to play away from home on or if more than 1 person was involved then a falling out over how the spoils are going to be divided - but seems unlikely as so far it has the looks of a calm & collected op from the dark side of the geekforce