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Post by: Devin Chow on July 01, 2014, 07:52:55 PM
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Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: Meuh6879 on July 01, 2014, 07:55:31 PM
http://blockr.io/tx/info/9e95c3c3c96f57527cdc649550bf8e92892f7651f718d846033798aee333b0c3

always 0 fee ...  ::)


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: Beliathon on July 01, 2014, 08:15:41 PM
1. An address in the blockchain is not a "who". You're thinking in fiat terms.

2. They're not the Silk Road coins anymore. That is what they were.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: silversmith on July 01, 2014, 08:17:23 PM
I guess it's possible a single bidder won all the coins!


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: newIndia on July 01, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
Who is 1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi?

Silk Road coins just moved here, hmmm...


....and people have started to throw Satoshis on this account. Tracking purpose ?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: digitizing on July 01, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
Wells Fargo ?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: odolvlobo on July 01, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: BanksWorstFear on July 01, 2014, 09:28:12 PM
A single buyer won all 9 of the US Marshals bitcoin blocks at auction.

The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?
They charged fees


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 01, 2014, 09:28:39 PM
The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent elsewhere (as change I assume).

The Marshals Service offered for auction 29,656.51306529 bitcoins.

The address (1Ez69SnzzmePmZX3WpEzMKTrcBF2gpNQ55) that received the "Silk Road Seized Bitcoins" on 2014-06-12 had received a single output of 29,658.7984 bitcoins when they consolidated all the balances.

29,658.7984 - 29,656.51306529 = 2.28533471 BTC

Not sure why they didn't offer ALL 29,658.7984 BTC for auction, but it looks like they are separating the "auctioned" bitcoins into a separate output from the remaining bitcoins that weren't auctioned.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: Ivanhoe on July 01, 2014, 09:35:10 PM
The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?
That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress ;)


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyElfman on July 01, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?
That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress ;)
LOL they received $1,400 worth of spam beggers!


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: newIndia on July 01, 2014, 09:55:39 PM
The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?
That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress ;)
LOL they received $1,400 worth of spam beggers!

So, they did not auction spam ? I thought they paid to the auctioneer ;)


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: kolloh on July 01, 2014, 09:57:21 PM
Do they release the name of the winner? Or do they not plan to?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: HeliKopterBen on July 01, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
If bitcoin is not anonymous, someone should be able to find out who the coins went to through blockchain analysis, right?  I'm thinking it won't happen.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 01, 2014, 10:09:10 PM
If bitcoin is not anonymous, someone should be able to find out who the coins went to through blockchain analysis, right?  I'm thinking it won't happen.

Blockchain analysis only tells you what address they went to.

You'll need the receiver (or the sender) to release additional information if you want to know who controls that address.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: cryptid1 on July 01, 2014, 10:23:37 PM
Really seems that the two biggest - that I know about - bidders was outbid on Monday: so the hypothesis of one whale-bidder gain traction!

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(Reuters) - SecondMarket and U.S. investment firm Pantera Capital, two of the more prominent bidders in the U.S. Marshals bitcoin auction, on Monday said they were outbid in their attempts to buy some of the nearly 30,000 coins sold late last week.
Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/30/usa-bitcoin-auction-idUSL2N0PB2JN20140630)


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 01, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Really seems that the two biggest - that I know about - bidders was outbid on Monday: so the hypothesis of one whale-bidder gain traction!

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(Reuters) - SecondMarket and U.S. investment firm Pantera Capital, two of the more prominent bidders in the U.S. Marshals bitcoin auction, on Monday said they were outbid in their attempts to buy some of the nearly 30,000 coins sold late last week.
Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/30/usa-bitcoin-auction-idUSL2N0PB2JN20140630)

Perhaps Patrick M. Byrne?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: franky1 on July 01, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that  the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: beetcoin on July 01, 2014, 10:39:11 PM
for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that  the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

it's the reason why i think the majority of bitcoiners are in it for themselves, even though some may say "we just want a better world." wanting wealth for yourself is just human nature.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: newIndia on July 01, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that  the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

u just figured out the public psychology. they want to stay anonymous, but want to unmask everyone else ;)


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: Mined on July 01, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that  the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

Definite +1 here. What happened to privacy being desirable?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: beetcoin on July 01, 2014, 10:42:26 PM
it's kind of like teabaggers who complain about government subsidies and then, in turn, receive their medicare and farm subsidies. people want the right thing, unless it doesn't benefit them. people are just assholes.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: BanksWorstFear on July 01, 2014, 10:49:35 PM
Here's the address with the U.S. Marshals auctioned bitcoins on block explorer, if Blockchain.info is DOWN

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: newIndia on July 01, 2014, 10:52:31 PM
Here's the address with the U.S. Marshals auctioned bitcoins on block explorer, if Blockchain.info is DOWN

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

If u dont like the blockcexplorer.com GUI, here is a list of other explorer to monitor the SR auction winner's address...

1. http://blockr.io/address/info/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

2. https://helloblock.io/addresses/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

3. https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/addresses/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

4. https://chain.so/address/BTC/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

5. https://bkchain.org/btc/address/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: gnode on July 01, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
The winner was Kim DotCom


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: cryptid1 on July 01, 2014, 11:07:01 PM
for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that  the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

Don't confuse gossip/meddle with...HISTORY!    ;D


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 01, 2014, 11:18:41 PM
for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that  the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

That's just silly.

The people who have always wanted bitcoins to be anonymous have no interest in knowing who owns these specific coins, and don't care about the financial info of those private citizens.

There may be some interest in the exchange rate that was paid for these bitcoins, but that has more to do with price discovery than violating someone's privacy.

The government exchanged bitcoins that all citizens collectively own (since the government represents the citizens) for some quantity of U.S. currency.  In the interest of transparency in government as well as identifying the current market price of bitcoins, this seems like reasonable information to reveal.  If the buyer doesn't want the public to know how much U.S. currency was exchanged for the bitcoins, then they shouldn't be exchanging with a public entity such as a national government.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: HeliKopterBen on July 01, 2014, 11:59:33 PM
If bitcoin is not anonymous, someone should be able to find out who the coins went to through blockchain analysis, right?  I'm thinking it won't happen.

Blockchain analysis only tells you what address they went to.

You'll need the receiver (or the sender) to release additional information if you want to know who controls that address.

I think you missed my point.  With all the claims of bitcoin not being anonymous or private, then someone should be able to find out who won the auction, right.  It appears to me that anonymity and privacy can be achieved just fine with bitcoin.  I don't see the need for all these alts claiming better privacy.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: bg002h on July 02, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
No multisig? They really need to use armory wallet!


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: bbit on July 02, 2014, 12:03:20 AM
Any reason why Satoshi wouldn't buy them back ?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: e1ghtSpace on July 02, 2014, 12:14:33 AM
Beggars:
Public Note: Hi, I am an obese black one legged hooker with tourettes syndrome from Somalia, I just found out I have Super-gonorrhea. Please send me some of these bitecoins the feds stole so that I can pay for many penicillin shots. GO AMERICA!

Public Note: I'm a poor student in the US, please. I'm in heavy debt..

Public Note: I am a great person, but just had a very tough life so far. Please donate to my projects and help me make this world a better place.Thanks for making my dreams come true.Love you all.Plz send to: 1DoNATEEfRxD138DumZzwjAa2y8QSr86Uk

Wow, it even says DoNATE in that persons address.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: thefuture on July 02, 2014, 12:16:10 AM
I bought them all.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: allthingsluxury on July 02, 2014, 12:16:57 AM
hmmm we shall see if they move again and where.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: Malin Keshar on July 02, 2014, 01:23:29 AM
Any reason why Satoshi wouldn't buy them back ?

He already have 1 million pre-mined? He could mine a fuckton of bitcoin with a desktop at the beginning? He could buy 30k for cents each, not hundread of dollars, at the beginning?


And you are changing one mystery for a way bigger one, open since bitcoin was born


Who is 1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi?

Silk Road coins just moved here, hmmm...


Anyone can create hundreads of addresses in a day, so I don't think would be right ask who is this case, unless the winner has the most severe case of multiple personalities in the known universe, and you recognize each personality as a separate individual


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: franky1 on July 02, 2014, 01:28:39 AM
That's just silly.

The people who have always wanted bitcoins to be anonymous have no interest in knowing who owns these specific coins, and don't care about the financial info of those private citizens.

There may be some interest in the exchange rate that was paid for these bitcoins, but that has more to do with price discovery than violating someone's privacy.

The government exchanged bitcoins that all citizens collectively own (since the government represents the citizens) for some quantity of U.S. currency.  In the interest of transparency in government as well as identifying the current market price of bitcoins, this seems like reasonable information to reveal.  If the buyer doesn't want the public to know how much U.S. currency was exchanged for the bitcoins, then they shouldn't be exchanging with a public entity such as a national government.

the government own all birth certificates and social security numbers. so lets let anyone have that info.. yea? government owns the tax office. so lets make all that info public yea?
if you know someone in the military doing special ops. lets reveal his location and missions publicly, lets even put a live feed of his location on googlemaps, yea?

or do you prefer a private life and have bitcoin as a financial system where you can put funds into and it not be publicly linked to you. do you really want the government to set precedent by making it standard practice to link bitcoin addresses to peoples public info.. and then simply shout it out publicly.

or do you prefer atleast some privacy?

what other people pay for their bitcoins is there business.

 


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 02, 2014, 02:07:18 AM
the government own all birth certificates and social security numbers. so lets let anyone have that info.. yea? government owns the tax office. so lets make all that info public yea?
if you know someone in the military doing special ops. lets reveal his location and missions publicly, lets even put a live feed of his location on googlemaps, yea?

or do you prefer a private life and have bitcoin as a financial system where you can put funds into and it not be publicly linked to you. do you really want the government to set precedent by making it standard practice to link bitcoin addresses to peoples public info.. and then simply shout it out publicly.

or do you prefer atleast some privacy?

what other people pay for their bitcoins is there business.

Now I remember why I had you on "ignore".

Your strawmen aren't impressing me.

If the government starts selling birth certificates, or social security numbers, then I would expect them to announce what the price will be.

If they are going to sell military secrets, then I expect the amount that they collect from that sale to be made public as well.

If they are going to sell bitcoins, then I expect them to announce how much they acquired.

I don't care who bought them, but I think its reasonable to expect the government to make public the government's revenues.

I said absolutely nothing about "link bitcoin addresses to peoples public info.. and then simply shout it out publicly", and your implying is doesn't make it so.  Try to focus on the words. They actually have meaning beyond what your hysteria wants you to believe.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: bitboy2000 on July 02, 2014, 02:38:52 AM
If there smart they will put it through a mixer or slowly thru an exchange..

We wont know if they r smart.

But its a shit load of cash.. well bitcoin. :P


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: sevenz on July 02, 2014, 02:42:44 AM
So, what about these bitcoins?
https://blockchain.info/address/1i7cZdoE9NcHSdAL5eGjmTJbBVqeQDwgw
Final Balance    $ 92,895,324.06


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyElfman on July 02, 2014, 04:50:27 AM
the government own all birth certificates and social security numbers. so lets let anyone have that info.. yea? government owns the tax office. so lets make all that info public yea?
if you know someone in the military doing special ops. lets reveal his location and missions publicly, lets even put a live feed of his location on googlemaps, yea?

or do you prefer a private life and have bitcoin as a financial system where you can put funds into and it not be publicly linked to you. do you really want the government to set precedent by making it standard practice to link bitcoin addresses to peoples public info.. and then simply shout it out publicly.

or do you prefer atleast some privacy?

what other people pay for their bitcoins is there business.

Now I remember why I had you on "ignore".

Your strawmen aren't impressing me.

If the government starts selling birth certificates, or social security numbers, then I would expect them to announce what the price will be.

If they are going to sell military secrets, then I expect the amount that they collect from that sale to be made public as well.

If they are going to sell bitcoins, then I expect them to announce how much they acquired.

I don't care who bought them, but I think its reasonable to expect the government to make public the government's revenues.

I said absolutely nothing about "link bitcoin addresses to peoples public info.. and then simply shout it out publicly", and your implying is doesn't make it so.  Try to focus on the words. They actually have meaning beyond what your hysteria wants you to believe.
There are certain expectations of privacy when people engage in certain financial transactions.

A large market participant has an incentive to keep his buying price secret from the market so the price cannot be manipulated around his actions. If a bidder is able to not have the value of his bid be made public then he is able to bid at a higher price, allowing the government to yield additional monies from the auction.

While the winning bid amounts would be public interest, the assets being sold were not purchased with taxpayer funds so the public does not have a legitimate "need to know" the price of the winning bids as it is not their funds at stake.

All of your bashing of members of the PD signature campaign, and stating the fact that you are ignoring members of the PD signature campaign (you are clearly not even ignoring the quoted member as your quoted his original post that you would not be able to see if you were ignoring him) are off topic. It is against forum policy to post off topic. I kindly request that to stop this.


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: 600watt on July 02, 2014, 10:33:25 AM
The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?
That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress ;)

isnīt it beautiful that in the bitcoin universe, if you get spammed you actually making money ?!

imagine getting a dime for every penis enlargement email...  :D


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: 600watt on July 02, 2014, 10:40:28 AM
BREAKING NEWS ---- BREAKING NEWS ----


newsweek reveals photo of the man who won all the usms bitcoin bids:






http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/29665725/ap188926275738.0_standard_640.0.jpg



Leah McGrath Goodman, who revealed this astonishing news said: "he is american, he knows about bitcoin - and hey - check his name (!) and you will see that it could only be him."




Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: BTCINVESTOR on July 02, 2014, 03:16:02 PM
Looks like we know who got the coins:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/sns-rt-us-usa-bitcoin-20140701,0,4038036.story


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: BurtW on July 02, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Looks like we know who got the coins:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/sns-rt-us-usa-bitcoin-20140701,0,4038036.story
That was easy.  No FOIA needed.  No tinfoil hat needed.  What are all the silly "we will never know because gov etc. etc."  posters going to post about now?


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: BurtW on July 02, 2014, 03:23:45 PM
Title of the thread needs to change to "I am into drama, but sadly, there is none."


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: DannyElfman on July 03, 2014, 04:24:59 AM
Looks like we know who got the coins:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/sns-rt-us-usa-bitcoin-20140701,0,4038036.story
That was easy.  No FOIA needed.  No tinfoil hat needed.  What are all the silly "we will never know because gov etc. etc."  posters going to post about now?
What Tim is doing with the coins should help not only increase world wide adoption but also improve bitcoin's image


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: Skele on July 04, 2014, 05:42:53 AM
Title of the thread needs to change to "I am into drama, but sadly, there is none."
Indeed this auction could be more inconspicuous, but this forum including me is full of sexy gossip ladies that make a lot of noise, scandal and hard whispering...


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: littlewizard on July 06, 2014, 11:08:12 PM
I am glad they are not sold in the exchanges, that would drive the price down a lot..


Title: Re: The mystery begins..
Post by: LostDutchman on July 07, 2014, 03:27:38 AM
Who is 1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi?

Silk Road coins just moved here, hmmm...

Who cares?

Jesus, find something constructive to do!