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Title: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: TheIrishman on July 03, 2014, 05:25:12 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/2/1404309269328/Google--011.jpg

EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/eu-right-to-be-forgotten-guardian-google (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/eu-right-to-be-forgotten-guardian-google)

<< Publishers must fight back against this indirect challenge to press freedom, which allows articles to be "disappeared". Editorial decisions belong with them, not Google. >>


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: bitsmichel on July 03, 2014, 09:12:23 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/2/1404309269328/Google--011.jpg

EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/eu-right-to-be-forgotten-guardian-google (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/eu-right-to-be-forgotten-guardian-google)

<< Publishers must fight back against this indirect challenge to press freedom, which allows articles to be "disappeared". Editorial decisions belong with them, not Google. >>

The EU and US gov do not care about press freedom. MI6 recently destroyed articles right at one of the Guardians offices.
Google cares about maximizing profit only, its a business.  :)


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: TheIrishman on July 03, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/76005000/jpg/_76005438_76005437.jpg

Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28130581 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28130581)

<< This morning the BBC received the following notification from Google:

Notice of removal from Google Search: we regret to inform you that we are no longer able to show the following pages from your website in response to certain searches on European versions of Google:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/thereporters/robertpeston/2007/10/merrills_mess.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/thereporters/robertpeston/2007/10/merrills_mess.html)

What it means is that a blog I wrote in 2007 will no longer be findable when searching on Google in Europe. >>


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: Wilikon on July 04, 2014, 01:07:05 AM


Europe’s ‘right to be forgotten’ law is already destroying itself


[...]
The result, as Google intended

As we wrote in May, we’re all about to learn an important lesson: “There is no way to exercise the right to be forgotten without taking away someone’s right to express and educate themselves.”

The very purpose of the EU’s “right to be forgotten” law was to hide content that violates the privacy of an individual. Already, under the law, we’ve observing the exact opposite scenario. The intentions of the law are now effectively void, because for every article removed, a new article appears. Each act of censorship will rattle journalism at its core, and as a result, awareness of the very stories select individuals hoped to hide will skyrocket.

This was Google’s plan all along — it’s the very reason why Google is sending removal notices to publications. As the Guardian wisely notes, “Costeja González won his fight for a right to be forgotten,” but “the fight was pretty damn memorable.”

The consequences of this law are terrifying, but the blowback has already arrived. Sit back and watch as Europe’s ‘right to be forgotten’ law destroys itself.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/07/03/europes-right-to-be-forgotten-law-is-already-destroying-itself/



Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: TheIrishman on July 11, 2014, 05:53:13 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Content_Distribution/General_images/2014/7/10/1405019716543/Google-screen-011.jpg

Google admits to errors over Guardian "right to be forgotten" link deletions

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/10/google-admits-errors-guardian-right-to-be-forgotten-deletions (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/10/google-admits-errors-guardian-right-to-be-forgotten-deletions)

<< David Drummond, chief legal officer of internet search firm, says adjusting to EU rule on removing content is "work in progress". >>


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: beetcoin on July 11, 2014, 05:59:23 AM
fucking shit, didn't the UK start to crackdown on internet freedom.. and this is the result? now that we will soon be handing over the internet to the big ISPs, we're totally fucked. the internet in the US might be censored one day.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: Kluge on July 11, 2014, 06:21:05 AM
fucking shit, didn't the UK start to crackdown on internet freedom.. and this is the result? now that we will soon be handing over the internet to the big ISPs, we're totally fucked. the internet in the US might be censored one day.
The Internet might be censored (and the EU can mandate citizens' ability to censor others' speech), but internets will replace it, eventually. User-created assets bring meshed internets (or at least a shared mesh network for the Internet) very close to reality. Andreas gave a great speech @ Bitcoins in the Beltway partially on that. Relevant part:

Let's look at this consensus algorithm, because I think we need to realize the future of cryptocurrency is the future of consensus algorithms. It's the future of scalable consensus systems that align incentives with the outcomes we desire, and we can take this and run with it. We can actually create better solutions for a much broader set of problems than simply, “don't steal the money.” We've already shown it works for “don't steal the money,” and now we can show it works for a broad variety of other systems. I'm most excited by the startups we see in this space that're taking the consensus algorithm system of Bitcoin and applying it to novel problems, not the Federal Reserve minting of currency problem, but problems about allocation of resources in a social environment, and even social interactions themselves. Proof-of-work is just the first step. One of the more interesting developments we're seeing now is other forms of consensus algorithms like, for example, proof-of-resource. There're a few companies working in this space, and with proof-of-resource, what you do is take resource that is currently under-utilized or completely unused, like, for example, the disk space that's free on your laptop, the bandwidth available on your access point that's not being used, the CPU capability of your desktop computer or even your mobile phone. -And they're saying, “how can we take that resource and share it?”

I can share that today. We have the protocols, we have the software to take resources that're under-utilized on personal computers and share them with others to create scalable, peer-to-peer cloud computing systems. How many of you here share your excess computing, storage, and bandwidth? There's a lack of alignment of incentives with outcomes. You don't share them because an abundance of altruism is not a good-enough reason for human behavior. That's a simple fact. It doesn't work. It works in very narrow scenarios, it works in very small, local communities, it works at local scale. You can create mesh networks. You can create communes, co-ops, and collaboration environments, but it doesn't scale. Consensus algorithms actually give us an opportunity to take incentives that only work on the local level and scale them up so they work on the global level. If you were able to share your WiFi and, as you're sharing it, the very act of sharing mined coins in a proof-of-resource consensus algorithm and gives you a token that has value; a token you can then use while you're traveling, so at Marriot Renaissance, to pick a random example, asks you for $14.99 for 100kbps of WiFi, you can say, “**** off, I'll use the shared network instead,” and use some of your precious resources you've mined by being altruistic with incentives to now use the resource that is common. You mine coins by sharing your network at home, you go traveling, you use those coins to use somebody else's network, and suddenly, an incentive structure that'd only work if everyone was being absolutely altruistic, meaning it wouldn't work on a large scale, would work on a very large scale. Suddenly, in 2014, mesh networks that have been a glimmer of possibility, just on the edge of horizon for the last two decades, suddenly seem like they could be real, and they could be happening on a massive scale pretty soon. That is incredibly exciting, the idea you could take cloud computing resources from thousands and thousands of under-utilized PCs and set up cloud computing networks by proof-of-resource mining.

The reason this works, or I think it'll work, is because consensus algorithms take an incentive structure and, through the use of mathematics and game theory, they align it with the outcomes you want to achieve as a community. If what you want to do is increase the capacity of a shared resource like WiFi bandwidth, and you align the incentive of a currency with that, it happens. If it's on a transparent blockchain like Bitcoins, you don't need to regulate it. I don't need to worry about whether the FCC is going to destroy net neutrality yet again on a proof-of-resource sharing network because there is no FCC.

I would like to believe regulation works, because then the fact that seventy-five percent of the Internet is against destroying net neutrality would be perfectly enough for the FCC to do its damn job, but they're not going to because they have many, many paid lobbyists whispering into their ear, “this is about greedy Netflix trying to get more money.” Well, guess what? I already paid for that Comcast connection, and if I choose to download Netflix, that's my money. Netflix doesn't need to pay again – I paid. You advertised 50meg down. Where's my 50meg? It's already paid for. The FCC is destroying net neutrality because it's suffering from regulatory failure, and if I had a proof-of-resource sharing mesh network, I wouldn't need to worry about that because net neutrality would be ensured by the combination of a consensus algorithm and a transparent blockchain. I wouldn't need regulation because the system is self-regulating. I wouldn't need to ensure one player can't dominate the environment because one player can't amass the resource to dominate the environment, and if they did, the incentive would be for them to share that resource for reward rather than use it to destroy the environment.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: sana8410 on July 11, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
I think it's important to understand that the internet should not be dictated by Google. As this story shows, the information is still there, it's just Google hiding these results. And they control what they show you first and what not - now additionally some people can also control what results do not appear for them.

Time to start using other search engines in conjunction, or even as a complete alternative, to Google. Try Bing, or Yandex (for the Russian market) or even give DuckDuckGo a go.

The same goes for the maps, with OpenStreetMaps offering a modest alternative that does not rank its results based on whether they are paid advertisements or not.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: Rigon on July 11, 2014, 09:41:14 AM
This is what happens when liberals/progressives have complete control. Thank goodness that press freedom still exists in America. For the time being, anyway.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: zolace on July 11, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/2/1404309269328/Google--011.jpg

EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/eu-right-to-be-forgotten-guardian-google (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/eu-right-to-be-forgotten-guardian-google)

<< Publishers must fight back against this indirect challenge to press freedom, which allows articles to be "disappeared". Editorial decisions belong with them, not Google. >>
The Guardian needs to set up a page of "Censored by Google", with links, some sensitivity would be needed, as suggested in the article. Perhaps if all media publications did that then there would be less fuss.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: cech4204a on July 11, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
Google had too much power, now it's much better, but they are still largest and they don't care about privacy much.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: noviapriani on July 11, 2014, 11:40:17 AM
Perhaps some kind of plugging that compares US search results to EU's for the same query and highlights the missing ones.Preferably even more prominently than they would have originally appeared, because screw people trying to delete history.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: TheIrishman on August 03, 2014, 03:29:36 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/2/1406992417899/Jimmy-Wales-011.jpg

Wikipedia link to be hidden in Google under "right to be forgotten" law (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten)

<< Request for blocking of search results granted to anonymous applicant is first to affect an entry in the online encyclopaedia. >>


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: Razick on August 03, 2014, 06:39:06 AM
This case makes the European Court of Justice the laughing stock of the entire western world. I really hope that the justices are embarrassed, because this is a real SNAFU. Major screw up. In case it isn't clear, I have NO respect for the ECJ.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: Razick on August 03, 2014, 06:42:10 AM
Perhaps some kind of plugging that compares US search results to EU's for the same query and highlights the missing ones.Preferably even more prominently than they would have originally appeared, because screw people trying to delete history.

This is a really good idea. Better yet, print out a copy of every webpage that is hidden under the ruling and mail it to each judge. Let them see the scum they chose to protect by trampling on free speech rights.


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: RedDiamond on August 03, 2014, 01:46:54 PM
There is already http://hiddenfromgoogle.com/ which archives links censored by Google.

"The purpose of this site is to list all links which are being censored by search engines due to the recent ruling of 'Right to be forgotten' in the EU".


Title: Re: EU's right to be forgotten: Guardian articles have been hidden by Google
Post by: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 02:03:04 PM
fucking shit, didn't the UK start to crackdown on internet freedom.. and this is the result? now that we will soon be handing over the internet to the big ISPs, we're totally fucked. the internet in the US might be censored one day.

Yes, the UK government is attempting to create their own internet in which for example, bitcoin is forbidden. It's easy to bypass these filter, but it demonstrates that the government isn't always on the side of the people - just plain self interest, supported by some business. And from a capitalist perspective, we are the customers so there shouldn't be any censorship.

Google has been censoring search results for a long long time. Their goal was never to make the world more free, but to collect the worlds information and show you advertisements.