Bitcoin Forum

Other => Politics & Society => Topic started by: umair127 on July 03, 2014, 10:46:44 AM



Title: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: umair127 on July 03, 2014, 10:46:44 AM
the murderous terrorists strike again....
Quote
Bodies of three kidnapped Israeli teens found, government confirms

Israel's nearly three-week vigil for three teens kidnapped in the West Bank — including one with U.S. citizenship — ended grimly Monday, with the discovery of their bodies just north of Hebron.

The search for Eyal Yifrach, 19; Gilad Shaar, 16; and Naftali Frenkel, also 16, who were snatched while hitchhiking, ended even as Israeli forces were conducting raids in the West Bank, where Hamas operates. Frenkel holds dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship.

Israeli forces were massing Monday in the West Bank village of Halhul, just north of Hebron. Sources said the bodies were found in a shallow grave in an open field. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was expected to speak on the discovery later Monday.

"The entire nation is bowing its head with unbearable sorrow this evening," President Shimon Peres said in a statement. "Over the past 18 days the nation prayed as one that the fate of our wonderful teenagers would be that they are found alive and well. Now that the bitter news has come, the entire Israeli nation mourns the premature death of our finest youth … Alongside deep sorrow, we will remain resolute to punish the atrocious terrorists. Our war on terrorism will only intensify and will not waver so that this murderous terrorism won't dare to rear its head."

    "Our war on terrorism will only intensify and will not waver so that this murderous terrorism won't dare to rear its head."

    - Israeli President Shimon Peres
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/01/israeli-teens-found-dead/


Title: How Israel Brutally Punished Palestinian Society For the Crimes of a Few
Post by: keyscore44 on July 03, 2014, 10:59:27 AM
Sad news but Israel can't fight terror with terror:


http://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-brutally-punished-palestinian-society-crimes-few?paging=off&current_page=1


"The dead bodies of three Israeli youths were found yesterday in the occupied West Bank after over two weeks of uncertainty.  The three Israelis--19-year-old Eyal Yifrach and 16-year-olds Naftali Fraenkel and Gilad Shaar--had gone missing June 12th after attending a yeshiva in a West Bank settlement.  They were most likely killed by two Palestinian militants.

Israel’s response to the abductions has been to essentially hold every Palestinian responsible for the crimes of a few. In response to the discovery of the bodies, Israel’s policy of collective punishment—a war crime under international law— has continued, with vengeful targeting of the families of the alleged suspects. 

Days into the Israeli army operation, a coalition of Palestinian human rights groups issued a statement slamming collective punishment. 

“The recent wave of arrests, attacks, killings and total closure of large parts of the West Bank following the disappearance of three Israeli settlers is a clear form of collective punishment against the Palestinian people,” the statement read.  “Although some of the measures carried out by the Israeli forces in large parts of the West Bank may have a link to the investigation into the disappearances, the methods employed are indiscriminate in their nature and are undermining the fundamental rights of the persons concerned.”

The three Israelis who went missing captured the attention of Israeli society, who prayed and rallied for their safe return. Israeli authorities exploited the opportunity to carry out large-scale arrest operations and raids and damage the Palestinian economy. That Israel exploited the chance to target Hamas, the Islamist militant group Israel has accused of being behind the abductions, was made all the more clear by revelations that Israel knew the teens had been harmed long before that information was released to the public. But much of the information about the teens’ fate was put under a gag order by Israel’s military censor, giving Israel time to fulfill a political goal of weakening Hamas. Hamas has denied Israel's claims. News reports indicate that a rogue unit affiliated with the movement carried out the attack--and that it wasn’t directed by Hamas’ leadership.

In mid-June, the Israeli military launched Operation Brother’s Keeper, the largest army operation in the area since the Second Intifada, when it was common to have soldiers battle Palestinians in the streets of West Bank cities. Thousands of Israeli troops invaded West Bank cities and went door to door, rounding up many Palestinians. The pretext was to look for intelligence on the missing Israelis, but the breadth of the operation, which took soldiers far from Hebron in the south, showed that the operation was about far more than just looking for the missing youths.

The collective punishment of Palestinian society over the past two weeks can be measured in many ways. First, there are the arrests. Throughout the operation, which is ongoing and could escalate, at least 500 Palestinians have been arrested by Israeli troops. While the majority are affiliated with Hamas, a movement with deep roots in Palestinian society, some are not part of the group. The arrests of Hamas leaders, and others who were released in 2011 due to a prisoner exchange, was all about limiting the ability of the political movement to operate in the West Bank--especially after Hamas signed a reconciliation agreement with Fatah, ending a bitter split sparked by a U.S.-backed attempt by Fatah to wrest power from Hamas after it won democratic elections in 2006.

The arrests are accompanied by groups of Israeli soldiers raiding the homes of the people they haul in to jail.  But the raid doesn’t just stop at arrests.  Pictures and accounts reported over the past two weeks have shown that Israeli soldiers have rampaged through and ransacked the homes of the families of the arrestees. Furniture is torn apart, the kitchen overturned and whole families sequestered away while the raid goes on.

The city of Hebron has borne the brunt of the collective punishment. In addition to arrests and raids, checkpoints were set up throughout the city and Palestinians faced severe restrictions on their movement. Hebron’s economic losses have been estimated at $12 million, though it could be even more by now.

The large-scale army incursions into West Bank cities also sparked resistance from Palestinian residents, some of whom threw stones at the invading forces.  Israeli troops, using live fire, killed six Palestinians in the course of their raids.

Most of the killings, arrests and raids took place before the bodies of three Israeli youths were found after being shot. But the collective punishment hasn’t let up. On the night when the bodies were found, Israeli soldiers raided Hebron and ransacked and blew up the homes of the alleged suspects behind the attack. The attack on the homes of Amar Abu Aisha and Marwan Qawasmeh is a return to a Second-Intifada-era policy of destroying the homes of militants, which harms their families who have not been accused of any crime, another violation of international law. In addition, Israel destroyed the Aisha and Qawasmeh homes before the two have been held, questioned and convicted.

Israeli authorities may still escalate further. The Israeli public is outraged at the deaths of the youths.  The Israeli Air Force hit the Gaza Strip over 30 times the night the bodies were found.  More raids, arrests, killings and bombings in Gaza likely await Palestinian society".


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 03, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
This is "World News".

Yet, we don't hear a peep about it when US/Israel funded terrorists like Al Qaeda and ISIL torture, rape, and murder innocent teenagers every day of the week, for decades.

This is how sick and twisted the U.S. media has become.  Anyone who consumes that media should be ashamed.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: DrG on July 03, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
This is "World News".

Yet, we don't hear a peep about it when US/Israel funded terrorists like Al Qaeda and ISIL torture, rape, and murder innocent teenagers every day of the week, for decades.

This is how sick and twisted the U.S. media has become.  Anyone who consumes that media should be ashamed.


Charlie, have you ever once posted a single post without mentioning the US?  I think somebody's got a crush....


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 03, 2014, 01:10:02 PM
I would have to go look, but I doubt it.

I live in a country currently under U.S. occupation, so it's on my mind a lot.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: sana8410 on July 03, 2014, 03:22:16 PM
I guess compared to the terrorist muzzies killing in iraq this is mild for the religion of peace. Its actions like this that make it very hard to have any compassion for Palestinians. If this is how they work toward peace in Israel and the rest of the region is there any wonder why Israel doesn't want any part of it?  So, here's the challenge to ez, show us where Jews have kidnapped teens and murdered them for being muslim.  Show us where Jews have gone into muslim villages or shopping districts and set off suicide vests so they can kill as many innocent muslims as they can.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: zolace on July 03, 2014, 03:36:12 PM
Hmmmmm.....Tea Party types, Baptists, Mormons, Catholics?   I am guess the 'religion of peace' strikes again.And this stinks about as much as everything else Israel is involved in, btw. What is it? Sweeps week.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 03, 2014, 03:36:51 PM
...show us where Jews have kidnapped teens and murdered them for being muslim.

Sheez.  Where to start.


* The Gaza Child Massacre, October 12, 2006

* Qana's 2nd Genocide

* The Deir Yassin Genocide, April 9, 1948 -- 200 Palestinians Murdered By The Jews

* Qana Genocide, 17 Villages Flattened by Israeli Bombings, April 18, 1996

* The Hebron Mosque Massacre by Goldstein

There are hundreds more.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: umair127 on July 03, 2014, 03:43:14 PM
The one and only Democracy in the Middle East huh?. They make an arrest of 2 men who deny any knowledge even of it and immediately bulldoze their homes? What democracy? What moral beacon? What justice?
http://www.commondreams.org/
Quote
Bodies of Missing Israeli Teens Found in West Bank
Boys who went missing nearly three weeks ago discovered buried near Hebron
The bodies of three Israeli teenagers who went missing in the occupied West Bank nearly three weeks ago were discovered near the city of Hebron on Monday.

"The bodies are currently going through forensic identification," the Israeli army said in a statement. "The families of the abducted teens have been notified."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.602189
Quote
    A large contingent of Israeli security forces were in the West Bank Monday evening between the Palestinian town of Halhul and the West Bank settlement Karmei Tzur, just north of Hebron, where a wide search after the three missing kidnapped teens took place earlier on Monday.

    Eyal Yifrah, 19, from Elad, Gilad Shaar, 16, from Talmon and Naftali Fraenkel, 16, from Nof Ayalon went missing from a hitchhiking station at the Gush Etzion intersection. Naftali Fraenkel was also an American citizen.

    Following the kidnapping, the Israel Defense Forces launched Operation Brother’s Keeper, a massive search for the three throughout the West Bank and conducted operations against Hamas, which Israel held responsible for the abduction.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=708970
Quote
    Israeli forces late Monday surrounded the homes of two men suspected of kidnapping and killing three Israeli teens, and prepared to demolish the houses, locals said.

    Witnesses told Ma'an Israeli soldiers had forced the residents out of the houses of Ammar Abu Eisha and Marwan al-Qawasmeh, and were preparing for demolition. [...]

    Israel says the two men who kidnapped the teens are Ammar Abu Eisha, 29, and Marwan al-Qawasmeh, 33, both from Hebron.

    The Israeli army said on Thursday that it was still searching for Abu Eisha and al-Qawasmeh.

    Abu Eisha's family has denied the allegations.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Rigon on July 03, 2014, 03:48:31 PM
'Somebody' killed 3 Israeli teenagers and Israel turns around and destroys homes arbitrarily, arrests hundreds arbitrarily, disrupts life for thousands and starts bombing Gaza arbitrarily. I call this the actions of a government acting as a terrorist state. 

Another sick action by the Zionist right wing government of Israel! It's terrible what happened to those kids, but you don't turn around and start destroying and killing hundreds of people before you even know what happened. For all we know some whacko settlers could have done this for the express purpose of instigating the IDF and Bibi to ,launch another round of destruction, murder and mayhem.

Israel is an insane terrorist state that doesn't respect any international law. FACT!  And we cover for them?


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: noviapriani on July 03, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
My question is - why doesn't Israel treat these murders as a crime, instead of an act of war?  I don't understand that mentality.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: sana8410 on July 03, 2014, 04:17:18 PM
It's pretty difficult for me to make sense of anything much the right wing Zionists do, but when I see that the agenda is ethnic cleansing through a constant barrage of destruction, killings and theft of property and land, then it becomes clear that they are a vicious self centered cabal of people that look down on anyone not a tribe member. Racist and supremacist are key qualities and driving force in these terrorist actions against others who stand in the way of their twisted goals.

Then they have the gall to say the Palestinians are terrorists for fighting back against oppression? Ever notice how any Pal walking down the street is instantly a "militant" after an IDF bullet kills him. On paper a dead Palestinian is suddenly a militant, man, woman or child. In the rare occasion when an Israeli is killed and he is a victim, regardless of the circumstances. 
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/children.html#source


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: zolace on July 03, 2014, 04:23:42 PM
My question is - why doesn't Israel treat these murders as a crime, instead of an act of war?  I don't understand that mentality.
Because they are acts of war. Foreign fighters killing innocent civilians because of their nationality doesn't come under the criminal code. We should also treat terrorists as combatants instead of getting them a lawyer and sending them to court. Ridiculous.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: sana8410 on July 03, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
'Somebody' killed 3 Israeli teenagers and Israel turns around and destroys homes arbitrarily, arrests hundreds arbitrarily, disrupts life for thousands and starts bombing Gaza arbitrarily. I call this the actions of a government acting as a terrorist state. 

Another sick action by the Zionist right wing government of Israel! It's terrible what happened to those kids, but you don't turn around and start destroying and killing hundreds of people before you even know what happened. For all we know some whacko settlers could have done this for the express purpose of instigating the IDF and Bibi to ,launch another round of destruction, murder and mayhem.

Israel is an insane terrorist state that doesn't respect any international law. FACT!  And we cover for them?
I wonder if we could get Bebe to run for President of the US.....   He's at least as qualified as the present occupant, and he seems to know how to deal with acts of terrorism.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: umair127 on July 03, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
Quote
Launches 34 airstrikes, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vows that "Hamas will pay" for killing of abducted teenagers

Israel launched 34 airstrikes over the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed that “Hamas will pay” for the abduction and deaths of three Israeli teenagers.

Israeli officials said the airstrikes were in retaliation for 18 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza, and targeted assets belonging to militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, CNN reports. The exchange of fire comes amid soaring tensions in the region, as Israeli officials held an emergency cabinet meeting to plan a response to the deaths of the teenagers.

http://time.com/2944876/israel-hammers-gaza-strip-over-kidnapped-teens-deaths/

I don't know what they have in mind for "a response", but I doubt the disgusting people who killed those kids will ever be able to sleep with both eyes closed ever again.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Rigon on July 03, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Palestinian children are assaulted or murdered every day and barely do their lives register in western press:  Three Israeli Settlers And The The Searing Hypocrisy of the West By Susan Abulhawa
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38965.htm


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: GangkisKhan on July 03, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
It could be something else more sinister at played. Group or individual that wish both sides kill each other.

Or the weapon manufacture trying to stir up more troubles to profit from the situation.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Ron~Popeil on July 03, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
Ah the "religion of peace" at it again. Until the terrorism stops things will not settle down there no matter how many accords US presidents can force out the leaders of both sides.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: zolace on July 03, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
It could be something else more sinister at played. Group or individual that wish both sides kill each other.

Or the weapon manufacture trying to stir up more troubles to profit from the situation.
Its this one-sidedness that insists that one group of guys wears the black hat and the other guys wear the white hat constantly that contributes to the problems never being solved. Those who claim Israel must be destroyed, dissolved or annihilated or the Palestinians must be absorbed by other Arab nations simply are asking for the impossible. Peace can only be established when all the peoples involved agree to live together on the same land. Its possible and will happen someday because there is no other logical choice.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: sana8410 on July 03, 2014, 05:06:20 PM
My question is - why doesn't Israel treat these murders as a crime, instead of an act of war?  I don't understand that mentality.
actually, novi; we were wondering why Barry treats terrorism like acts of jay-walking, instead of the act of an enemy terrorist?


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 03, 2014, 05:06:43 PM
Ah the "religion of peace" at it again. Until the terrorism stops things will not settle down there no matter how many accords US presidents can force out the leaders of both sides.

This is why Israel set up and funded Hamas.  TeeVee stupefied Americans don't even know they did.

No enemy = No justification for billions every year in U.S. taxpayer sugar.



Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 04, 2014, 09:43:05 AM
The best solution to this crisis is to declare Jordan as the Palestinian state and to transfer all the Palestinians to Jordan. The original Jewish homeland was comprised of both the sides of the Jordan River (present day Israel and Jordan). IMO, the Jews can have the Western side (Israel, Gaza and WB), while the Arabs can have the Eastern side (Kingdom of Jordan).


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: umair127 on July 04, 2014, 01:34:53 PM
Quote
Israel launched 34 airstrikes over the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed that "Hamas will pay" for the abduction and deaths of three Israeli teenagers.


Israeli officials said the airstrikes were in retaliation for 18 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza, and targeted assets belonging to militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/01/world/meast/israel-teenagers-death/

Its seems any retaliation by Israel is always headlined first to imply they are the aggressors when its really retaliation.  The above is what cnn reports and below is a snippet of what Palestinians claim cnn hides. According to yobbos article the sharpshooter was filmed by cnn when he shot a Palestinian teen and the local surveillance camera also caught the sniper making the shot. Given the terrorist attacks on Israel and the general hatred of anyone non muslim does anyone believe that Israel is the aggressive terrorist?

Quote
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38965.htm

Just prior to the disappearance of the Israeli settler teens, the murder of two Palestinian teens was caught on a local surveillance camera. Ample evidence, including the recovered bullets and a CNN camera filming an Israeli sharpshooter pulling the trigger at the precise moment one of the boys was shot indicated that they were killed in cold blood by Israeli soldiers.



So is cnn hiding the evidence that an Israelis sniper shot and killed at least one if not two Palestinian teens? Is the Israeli army sending their  trained snipers out to pick off innocent teens and gun them down in the streets? When the rest of the ME is loaded with news of muslim killing muslim for being the wrong sect of islam and muslims killing Christians for not being muslim is it rational to believe that the tiny country of Israel is attempting to kill every muslim in the region one sniper at a time? The ME has been at war and killing in the name of allah for 1400 years ever since Mohamed started killing Jews in Israel and it has never stopped so the idea that there would be peace in the ME if only all Jews were dead doesn't pass the smell test. And if cnn has the video proving an Israeli sniper shot and killed an innocent teen why isn't that proof being turned over to the UN?


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: sana8410 on July 04, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
Before WWII, to be more accurate, before America joined the war, a majority of Americans were solidly behind Germany - even when they were told how appallingly the Nazis were acting..

Since then American opinion has lurched to be strongly behind Israel, no matter how atrociously Israelis behave.
 
What is it about Americans?  Why do you not bother to find out what is going on?


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: umair127 on July 04, 2014, 01:44:14 PM
That's because the coyotes know exactly where the best staffed sector is.  The migratory path changes with the weakness of the openings.  Its like playing wack-a-mole.   Unless you close it all, nothing changes, only the location and method of crossing..


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: zolace on July 04, 2014, 01:48:36 PM
That would mean actually engaging in a real drug war and that is just as big of a reason why we don't. This really isn't any different than siege armies catapulting rotting corpses over the walls if you think about it. The only difference is at least those dumbasses knew they were under attack.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: umair127 on July 04, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
"The border needs to be militarized and closed. Period"100% agreed. We need our military on our borders...enforcing U.S. law.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 04, 2014, 02:02:43 PM
What is it about Americans?  Why do you not bother to find out what is going on?

Americans think they are well-informed because they watch CNNBCBSFOX and listen to Morning Edition on NPR while they drive to work.


Title: Re: 3 Kidnapped Israeli teens found dead
Post by: Benjig on July 04, 2014, 03:02:27 PM
When Mr. Netanyahu declares he will bring the perps to justice, it carries a little more weight than when president Obama says it -- as I expect we shall soon see.