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May be its better if you show or list more details on this thread ..

agree you they only say how they are trusted and where do they invest money

we need more proof :)

What more info do you need? You can find them all on our website here http://www.neo-btc.com/our-offer/


You can try us with just 0.01btc its around 7usd and check that we will send you back your bitcoins with profit :)


Regards,
Brian

Sorry you will have to provide a bit more data to us before anyone will trust you a single $.
BTW:
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This is not enough also.

All your links are not working, and you should remove the double quotation marks.

I am not going to deposit if theres no further details .

On your scam site, you said:

Show us the feedback you've received on all the bitcoin forums, please.  Otherwise you're just wasting time.

This is the least professional looking Ponzi I've ever seen.

https://i.imgur.com/ePyBXyF.png

Is this a joke?

Here are the 5 links without the quotes, so they might actually work. Also removed the ugly images:

"Investment in bank gives You around 3% per month and they will hold Your money for a year!"
  -- http://www.neo-btc.com/our-offer/

Could you point me at a bank account paying 3% per month please?

Lol, you say this isn't a ponzi, but then ADMIT that its a ponzi on  your "about us" page with this quote.


"It is easy! We never invest all the money in one place so we always will have money to do all the payouts!"


if it looks like a duck, etc...So, if you don't invest it and pay people back with the money that isn't actually invested in anything IS a ponzi.. Good grief.

This can't go wrong! ::)

They got over 5700 FB likes but no posts at all.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Neonart-Corporation/297125660463260

OP, how much did that cost you? :D

This website looks like an hours worth of designing I  do believe this could be quite risky  ;D

Be wary of the fake testimonials on his website, he uses a picture of what I think is a politician for a testimonial.

wow those 2 really go togheter!

Nice try lol.

What's going on here?

https://blockchain.info/tx/7afdfe14d6ee8d0ede0fb82cb02172e3f86bede58941c64f08c1fbda42b73548

The Ponzi deposit address, 14Ftb8tVfskxXMkazRFDt4HCVG2J5XzvoC (https://blockchain.info/address/14Ftb8tVfskxXMkazRFDt4HCVG2J5XzvoC) has received 3.6136 BTC and paid out 1.0236 BTC, but in the above transaction it is combining with a bunch of other addresses to send 200 BTC to 1LvaC2EazFoffERQT5UsTXq3aB83L7nq2j (https://blockchain.info/address/1LvaC2EazFoffERQT5UsTXq3aB83L7nq2j), which has received a total of 15,257.14427473 BTC.

It's hard to believe that a scam of such low quality has attracted even 3 BTC worth of attention, but what's this 15k BTC about?

Are they using an exchange account for their scam? That seems kind of dumb.

Just a kind reminder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3629.msg5541656#msg5541656

"We are not a ponzi"

if you are truly not a ponzi there's no need to state that.

I think it is because as you can see above many people still say that we are ponzi.

Regards,
Brian

How do you make your huge guaranteed returns?

Any individual or organization that says, "This is not [a] ponzi (sic)" and offers no real model for returns other than saying that it's the "one and only safe way" is likely operating a Ponzi or a straight-up cut-and-run.

If you visited the website or read the meager offering, you've probably lost enough already. :)

Suggestion for the FAQ:

q) I can't decide whether to leave my coins on an exchange or risk them in a Ponzi scheme. What do you advise?

a) Send them to us. We're a Ponzi that leaves your coins on an exchange so you can risk your coins while you risk your coins. Double the excitement!

Does that work in casinos too?

Can you go to a roulette wheel and not put all your money on red. Then if you lose, you can make a profit from the bit you didn't lose.

Stupid analogy, but appropriate I think.

How do you make such huge returns?

I'm not claiming that we ever made a deal. My feedback says that I risked 0 BTC dealing with you, which is true, and will remain true.

I'm claiming that it would be a bad idea to trust you.

You make unrealistic unsubstantiated claims about your ability to double people's money.

It's incredibly likely that you're running some kind of a scam, and people need to be warned about that.

Doog, your quote messed up in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677739.msg7730670#msg7730670 :)


That is just hilarious lol. ;D

Thanks. I fixed it.

I also would be willing to invest any coins Neo Nart is willing to send me.

It would end up being massively profitable for all concerned, as it would allow Neo to start his magic doubling machine.

Please make it at least 10 BTC - let's make lots of money!

So many scams, so little coin and time!  :P   

However they are offering to pay better than BTCjam on pure bitcoin.   Still a lot of risk for just a "Trust me!".

It's zero risk if you adopt this simple strategy:

"don't send them your coins"

I guess my sarcasm isn't very clear.   This is very clearly a Ponzi type of scam.   You can't insure 10% a month with Forex.   That is a highly leveraged market.   Leverage goes both ways.   Most people don't know anything about Forex or how to trade currency pairs.   Clearly they are counting on that.   

Why would it be safe?

I'd like to invest some in your bussiness, but first i need clear anwers to following questions:
-how was your past forex trading going , provide some evidence to see, that you know what you are doing?
-how will you cover losses in case your trading won't be profitable?
-why would you run such a investment for others if you know how to make profits?

This is so pathetic...

STFU you and your 5yo scamsite.

> ...

> this is the insulting robot

> message from robotic fraud detection subroutine: "scam = true"

> you should rather donate your funds to the robots for world domination foundation (rfwdf)

I don't know who you are, but I like you.

For any Newbies , any company saying "We are not a Ponzi" or "We invest in Forex/Bitcoin Mining" , is a Ponzi

Dude, you talking to me?

Show me some EVIDANCE!!!

I have the following:

1) Your OP is very unprofessionally made. Huge ugly images with nasty spelling mistakes. Even after I pointed out how you wrote "reserv" right next to "professional" you still didn't correct it. Your web page is ugly, badly made, full of spelling mistakes and coding errors. It just looks like the kind of thing thrown together by somebody trying to make a quick buck by scamming rather than a professional forex trader.

2) http://www.neo-btc.com/our-offer/ says:

"We offer You 5% profit in only 14 days" and "there is no maximum amount".

You are offering a guaranteed (1.05 ** 26 * 100 - 100 =) 255% APR on any amount of money.

This is clearly impossible. Especially in Bitcoin, where the whole market cap is pretty tiny.

3) the same page says "how do I know that you would not lose my money? It is easy! We never invest all the money in one place so we always will have money to do all the payouts!"

This is clearly ridiculous. It's possible to split your money into 5 equal pieces and make 5 different bad trades with the 5 pieces. Just because one deal goes bad doesn't mean the others will go better. Even if they do, they might not make as much as the bad deal lost.

Do you have any evidence that you are NOT scammers?


I could very well say the same thing to you. Only I'd spell check it first.

If you do so good why not jsut use your own money? Why do you need ours? Are you just a good person who wants to make everyone rich?

Hmmm so I send 1.0 bitcoin, you convert it to $625.   Two weeks later bitcoin is at $700 and you return me $656.25 worth of bitcoin.  My 1.0 BTC has become 0.9375 bitcoin.   

Just how is that a good deal?

- also -
Using bold all the time doesn't make you sound honest and it is rude!

How did I do it wrong? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_percentage_rate#Multiple_definitions_of_effective_APR has an example of effective APR calculation:


Changing that to fit your numbers:

Consider a 100 BTC deposit to your Ponzi, which is repaid after 2 weeks plus 5%. this deposit has an effective APR of approximately (1.05^26 = 3.555672687944358, which is approximately a 255% increase)

Which bit do you disagree with? What do you think your effective APR is?


My website? What does my website have to do with anything? We've never had any Bitcoins dissapear.


So you make even more than 5% every 14 days? What is your true effective APR?

My website sometimes received requests from "investors" for us to provide a guaranteed investment, where they were guaranteed never to lose any of their principal. The people asking for it were prepared to take a lower profit percentage than normal in exchange for a "no risk" deal. We thought about it and decided it didn't make any sense. If you have to promise to return invested money, then you absolutely can't afford to use the invested money for anything, because what if you lose it?

If you have "reserv" with which to bail out those investors in the event that you lose their money, you would be better off just using that reserv and keeping the profits all for yourself.

"risk free" investment makes no sense at all, and anyone offering it is a scammer.

You will have 0.9375 btc but you still have profit in usd.



5% per two weeks is high but its not impossibly high. I have seen you have many bad feedbacks and all i said is that there is more risk in loosing on your ponzi then we loosing on 5 investments at the one time.

Regards,
Brian

No it is a loss of 6.25% in BTC!   If you want to collect BTC you better return BTC with interest in BTC.

You ignored almost everything I said and focussed on my feedback?

You should look again. My feedback is overwhelmingly positive. A few scammers sent retaliatory butthurt feedback after I used the trust system to alert others to their scamming ways, but that's about it.

In this case we can not send back 1.05btc because we can not be sure if bitcoin's rate will be the same. Thats why we we count 5% from usd so everyone is safe.

Regards,
Brian

It is only safe for you, not your investors.   There isn't any way you can be sure of making more than 5% every two weeks either.   On both of these points you are being dishonest.   

1) This isn't a BTC investment, it is a USD investment scheme.   Calling it a safe investment for bitcoins is dishonest.
2) There isn't any way you can guarantee your 5% / 2 week return, claiming you can is also dishonest.

Since we have established you are being dishonest, then is isn't much of a jump to call your program a scam.   

dude its time to close the shop , no one will buy this  ;D

Of course I can guarantee 5% per 2 weeks. It is not much comparing to our profit.



Will see :)

Regards,
Brian

If that is true, then you wouldn't be panhandling for people's BTC.   All you have proved is:

1) You are lying.
2) You don't care if people investing BTC lose BTC.
3) You are running a scam.

I've added negative feedback.   

Seeing you supposedly can get 1.05x your money every two weeks, then from simple compound interest you should be able to get ~ 3.55x in a year. If you can do you (which you can't - don't lie to us) why don't you go start up your own hedge fund and talk to some billionaires. I'm sure they'd be happy to give you some money if you could convince them rather than trying to go after some individuals over the net.

Just face it, no one believes what you have to say. You're a little late on the ponzi and HYIP party, that train died a while back.

How about this? \
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I wrap ya fucking head in for posting a scam. 2nd. I fuck your wife while your kids watch? How about that...... 11 posts with ya bullshit go fuckya  mutha

Any real investors ?
you should open a new thread in securities. This one doesnt look good with all the comments

Or maybe go jump off a short pier. FAGGOT

Any real investor would know this is a scam from the beginning.  They are looking for suckers.   If they can get tons of BTC rolling in or if the price of BTC just keeps going up, they walk away with a lot of free BTC. 

Im not lying.
They wont lose any money on it.
Post some evidance that this is a scam.



Of course it is possible on Forex, and of course they would not invest on Forex, we both know that. This is not ponzi.



I wont comment that stupid post.



What you mean "in securities"?




Thats only your assumptions, nothing more.

Regards,
Brian

Looks like there is still no one buying your "investment plan" :D
https://blockchain.info/address/14Ftb8tVfskxXMkazRFDt4HCVG2J5XzvoC

Hopefully it will change soon :)

Regards,
Brian

Struggling to believe this is not a parody.
I could make a more convincing scam at age 13

1) Logically you have to be lying.   If you make as much as you claim with your trading method but are really in need of capital it means you don't have something that is proven to work so your claim is a lie.   If you are really trading that successfully, then you don't have any need of capital and in fact you wouldn't want it because you would be keeping your method to yourself.  What you are claiming is very valuable.

2)  BTC is up almost $20 since your first post a few days ago.   While $31 would be about 5%, it would only take a good surge for you to actually lock in a lot of profit in BTC by just paying back less BTC than you acquired.   BTC is still very volatile and it seems you are banking on that.

3) Point 1 + Point 2 = SCAM

Good Points!

How do I sign up for your newsletter?

1) I do keep my method for myself. For example: if I invest 10usd i get 15usd so profit is 5usd. But if I invest my 10usd and your 10usd, i got 5usd profit from my cash and lets say i get 2.5usd profit from your cash. I think it makes sense.

2)What if BTC will lose in this time? Thats why we dont keep it in bitcoins.

3)Point 1 + Point 2 = not true = not scam.

Regards,
Brian

1) Still a lie, if you are investing so little you don't have a real method or experience.   I have traded derivatives of various types many times.   It is completely possible to make a 50% or greater return on a trade.   It is totally impossible to maintain that kind of return over many trades.   I once turned a few thousand into $90,000, but everything just worked out right.  Those types of events are not dependable.   It is a sure bet that any trading method will also lose and sometimes lose very big.   In the end, any year you gain 20% is an amazing good year.  FOREX is worse because the downside is much greater.

2) Your thread is "~~ Invest your bitcoins ~~ One and only safe way ~~", that is a lie.  In fact investing with you, even if you could maintain your returns would likely mean a loss of bitcoins.    Investing in bitcoins means the profit better be in bitcoins.    You don't offer an investment in bitcoins.   Defending your approach is dishonest.   You are offering something less than buying and holding bitcoins would return.

3) Yes it is a scam, because you are promising unrealistic returns and cheating people out of bitcoin claiming the profit will be in USD.   That is a scam.   You will either lose all the money or cut and run.   There hasn't been any reason given for anyone to trust you with a single DOGE coin let alone a bitcoin.

Days later they have the same spelling error along with the generally poor English.

The terribly edited Warren Buffet picture should be enough for any prospecting investors.

I want to see your ID and your full dox, that's what i need before sending you a single $.

LMFAO.. Some of the comments are too funny.

We do not promise profit in bitcoins. You can read about it on our website. You probably do not know what you are talking about kid. It is not a big problem to make 10% profit on Forex.

Regards,
Brian

When you say you have enough reserve for covering ... why dont you invest that capital lolz

You don't have any valid response so you resort to insults?   I put two children through private schools on money made from trading options, I have a wealth of experience.  

Back to the points at hand, you do promise profit in bitcoins by the title of this thread " ~~ Invest your bitcoins ~~ One and only safe way ~~".  Your investment isn't safe for bitcoins even if you could deliver 5% gain every two weeks.      Additionally, you clearly you don't understand how things like Forex work.   A skilled trader can make 10% or better a year, but you are talking about making over 350% a year.   No one can promise those returns.  (5% every two weeks.)   High returns requires high risks.  Sometimes the risks bite you and you lose.   Losses will happen, they always happen.

Finally if you could really make 10% every two weeks trading on the Forex, then you wouldn't have any need for additional capital.  I suggest you give up on the insults and start learning how to be honest.

Then the thread title is misleading:

( Re: ~~ Invest your bitcoins ~~ One and only safe way ~~ )

If I'm "investing my bitcoins" and it is "safe", how can I make a loss?

Reserve means we invest money in few places. So if we lose on one, we got money from another one.




Additional capital means additional profit. We trade with risk but we never invest all the money in one place. So if we lose on one, we got money from another one.

Regards,
Brian

That's not what reserve means. If you are risking all your money at once, whether in one or several places, you have no reserve.

You have no guarantee that the amount you gain from your profitable investments will be greater than the amount you lose on your bad investments.

Doesn't really work that way.   The more you have in play the harder it is to trade quickly when needed.   The more trades in play the higher the chance of getting hit by a really bad event.   Besides if you really make 10% every two weeks you could turn $100 into over $1000 in less than a year!  $1000 in $10,000 ... $10,000 into $100,000 and $100,000 into $1,000,000.   In 4 years you could turn $100 into $2,017,600.   So if you have what you say you do you don't need any money.   It is that simple.  

Since you are asking for money, it clearly means you don't have what you claim to have.  

Agreed reserve is money that isn't invested.   Maybe "reserv" means something else?

"reserv" means you're professional.

Do they really claim to make 300%+ on forex? If I was doing that I would contact the best paying hedgefunds and negotiate a dangerously high starting salary.

No they are claiming a lot more than that.  355% is what you would make in a year if you reinvested everything and they actually lived up to their agreement.  (That is in fiat though, not BTC)   The claim they can do this because they are making 10% every two weeks.   That is 1191% in a year if you keep compounding.   So they are claiming they are better than any hedge fund has ever been. 

Shut up and take my money!

These day the people who create new ponzi are getting smarter  :D

The situation hasn't changed at all lol.
OP, we are not as dumb as you pictured. :D

There's no safe way if you invest your money!
There's only trust!

The only safe way to invest is to invest on your self  :D

Yes the safest bitcoin investment is that you buy bitcoin and hold it until the price goes up...

Bumppppp :)

Trying to advertise your scam?

I can't believe he still thinks anyone will fall for this. I've seen a lot of scams in my day, but none as obvious and badly put together as this one.

You claim you have 42,000 BTC but think they're $690? You have 3 posts and are immediately trusting an obvious scam? Which is it?

I can't find any related posts in this whole thread.
Who are you talking about here?  ???

The post I was replying to appears to have been deleted.

haha this made me laugh! Buffett's face on a ponzi scheme - satire!

That is why you should use the quote button. 

Great you put up a dead topic. Next time please see the dates first b4 replying

So? 

I think the guy you were replying to was a regular at prcdice until about a week ago when he lost all his coins there. Seems like he hasn't been back since, or logged on to these forums.

how could you say your place is only the safe way, than keep the money in a bank
only trust then you running our money ? :D